About a month ago I got nabbed by the MSP on 245 going 55 in a 40 where they had set up right around a curve where the speed drops. Pretty dirty placement but I soon discovered they were there for a reason. The trooper didn't come up and say anything about this area of road had been reported as having an issue with speed, safety, or anything. Matter of fact he said nothing other than "I am trooper XXXXXX, got you doing 55 in a 40, license and registration. He left, returned with my citation, spewed off the instructions as printed on the card he was studying and I was on my way, 1 point heavier and $80 lighter because he wrote it for 49 in a 40. Not having gotten a ticket in 22 years of driving I figured "WTH, I guess I was due".

Since then I remember to slow down as I round that curve. I also have been watching and it is obvious someone sent out a memo because they are everywhere. Drove up to the Eastern shore yesterday and saw more troopers than I have ever seen. In ST. Mary's running radar on 235, Calvert 2 places on RT 4, AA on RT 2 just before Annapolis. Before that ST Mary's running radar off the entrance to South Sandgates, by Bearing point, Troopers north of Hollywood.

It seems the government of Maryland has decided we are a crop that needs to be harvested even more. What we have here is the administration using the MSP and other LE as a tool to assist them in balancing the state budget. Quite irritating.

Not just here. I saw more troopers along 301 heading into VA than I have ever seen before as well, and they were very active.

MOM has run the state into bankruptcy and needs the money. :shrug:

Not just here. I saw more troopers along 301 heading into VA than I have ever seen before as well, and they were very active.

If they were getting the big offenders with SAFETY in mind I wouldn't give it a thought. This is just a tool to raise a few million dollars. 2 troopers running a speed trap and writing 5 $80 citations each per hour is $3200. Add that to the bazillions they make on the Bay Bridge we should be getting our own pot complete with chicken soon!

Yesterday in addition to all the speed traps just south of PF on 2/4 there was a rather large man standing in traffic hitchhiking. The trooper in the unmarked car next to me riding in the left lane at 55 didn't give a damn, he just kept on going until he turned off on Broomes Island road. Maybe because the uniform jacket hanging in the back window had Major oak leafs on the shoulders means he was above that.

Here's what I don't understand:

If you do something mundane like speed or run a red light, you get to kick in for the Illegal Immigrant College Fund. Yet if you commit a more heinous crime, such as murder or armed robbery, you go to jail (hopefully) and *cost* the taxpayers money. It makes no sense.

Parasites bleed the healthy ones, and shun the sick ones.

On another note why is RT 2/4 and 235/5 out in the rural areas 55? It is stupid. Another one is 301 on the Eastern Shore past the 301/50 split. 55 all the way to DE.

Here's what I don't understand:

If you do something mundane like speed or run a red light, you get to kick in for the Illegal Immigrant College Fund. Yet if you commit a more heinous crime, such as murder or armed robbery, you go to jail (hopefully) and *cost* the taxpayers money. It makes no sense.

The other criminals aint got no cash, don't care about bench warrants, aren't afraid of their insurance company jacking them because they don't have insurance.

If they were getting the big offenders with SAFETY in mind I wouldn't give it a thought. This is just a tool to raise a few million dollars. 2 troopers running a speed trap and writing 5 $80 citations each per hour is $3200. Add that to the bazillions they make on the Bay Bridge we should be getting our own pot complete with chicken soon!Yesterday in addition to all the speed traps just south of PF on 2/4 there was a rather large man standing in traffic hitchhiking. The trooper in the unmarked car next to me riding in the left lane at 55 didn't give a damn, he just kept on going until he turned off on Broomes Island road. Maybe because the uniform jacket hanging in the back window had Major oak leafs on the shoulders means he was above that.
Sorry Pete, the chicken and the pot goes to Casa de Maryland. :shrug:

Don't get caught speeding in VA...going to court is a traumatic costly experience. :jameo:

Don't get caught speeding in VA...going to court is a traumatic costly experience. :jameo:
Seems like a smart move on VAs part to cut down on those who think going to court will somehow make them less guilty when they know they were truly speeding and should just pay the fine...:shrug:

It does seem like there are a few speed traps in Southern Md. Places where the limit drops from 40 to 30 for no obvious reason...that the cops take full advantage....There's one on the road to ST Leonard south of the circle and one in Huntingtown as well (and yes I've been caught in both of them, but it took me 16 years).

Got a warning on one of the last days of school this year. My kids were mortified.

It does seem like there are a few speed traps in Southern Md. Places where the limit drops from 40 to 30 for no obvious reason...that the cops take full advantage....There's one on the road to ST Leonard south of the circle and one in Huntingtown as well (and yes I've been caught in both of them, but it took me 16 years).

Got a warning on one of the last days of school this year. My kids were mortified.Must have been a County Sherriff. State Police just give you a ticket.

On another note why is RT 2/4 and 235/5 out in the rural areas 55? It is stupid. Another one is 301 on the Eastern Shore past the 301/50 split. 55 all the way to DE.

That one drives me crazy. I hope I never get hit with radar on that stretch 'cause it's going to cost me; there's no way I can maintain 55 on that wide open highway with no traffic. The only semi-reasonable justification is that since it isn't a controlled access highway, when somebody screws up at one of the intersections it's going to be deadly. But that's already true with the speed limit at 55.

Don't get caught speeding in VA...going to court is a traumatic costly experience. :jameo:

True story. They hand out "reckless driving" citations like they're candy.

True story. They hand out "reckless driving" citations like they're candy.

They have to make up for all the money they're not making on cigarettes.

Notice how they always drop the speed down so it's just a standard ticket versus reckless driving. That's to maximize profit since it reduces admin costs, court expenses, etc. That's why I always go to court no matter what. Cuts into their profit. Plus court is usually entertaining.

reason...that the cops take full advantage....There's one on the road to ST Leonard south of the circle and one in Huntingtown as well (and yes I've been caught in both of them, but it took me 16 years).

Got a warning on one of the last days of school this year. My kids were mortified.

Yes....full advantage :killingme

Must have been a County Sherriff. State Police just give you a ticket.

Yea. I was surprised he gave me a warning. I'm pretty much beyond being able to flirt my way out of a ticket, and didn't even try with the kids in the car.

Refinance your house in Maryland and see what kind of tax you'll pay....

Maryland has the highest tax for REFINANCING a house you already own than anywhere else in the U.S.

About a month ago I got nabbed by the MSP on 245 going 55 in a 40 where they had set up right around a curve where the speed drops. Pretty dirty placement but I soon discovered they were there for a reason. The trooper didn't come up and say anything about this area of road had been reported as having an issue with speed, safety, or anything. Matter of fact he said nothing other than "I am trooper XXXXXX, got you doing 55 in a 40, license and registration. He left, returned with my citation, spewed off the instructions as printed on the card he was studying and I was on my way, 1 point heavier and $80 lighter because he wrote it for 49 in a 40. Not having gotten a ticket in 22 years of driving I figured "WTH, I guess I was due".

Since then I remember to slow down as I round that curve. I also have been watching and it is obvious someone sent out a memo because they are everywhere. Drove up to the Eastern shore yesterday and saw more troopers than I have ever seen. In ST. Mary's running radar on 235, Calvert 2 places on RT 4, AA on RT 2 just before Annapolis. Before that ST Mary's running radar off the entrance to South Sandgates, by Bearing point, Troopers north of Hollywood.

It seems the government of Maryland has decided we are a crop that needs to be harvested even more. What we have here is the administration using the MSP and other LE as a tool to assist them in balancing the state budget. Quite irritating.
MSP is running radar on Lockes Hill Rd of all places. They either sit at the bottom of the hill or in the horse farm driveway at the top of the hill. Thankfully we were warned by the owner of the farm, so I was doing 35 in the 30 at the bottom of the hill last night when I passed the MSP cruiser sitting there lights out waiting for speedy.

Yea. I was surprised he gave me a warning. I'm pretty much beyond being able to flirt my way out of a ticket, and didn't even try with the kids in the car.See, women get away with that stuff. Flirting with the cops. I've never been stopped by a female cop to flirt with her....and with me, that probably wouldn't work anyway. :lol:

See, women get away with that stuff. Flirting with the cops. I've never been stopped by a female cop to flirt with her....and with me, that probably wouldn't work anyway. :lol:

Why limit it to female cops? Might work :shrug:

MSP is running radar on Lockes Hill Rd of all places. They either sit at the bottom of the hill or in the horse farm driveway at the top of the hill. Thankfully we were warned by the owner of the farm, so I was doing 35 in the 30 at the bottom of the hill last night when I passed the MSP cruiser sitting there lights out waiting for speedy.

Wow!!!!!!! I do not think that I have done the speed limit on that road since I was learning to drive and had my dad in the car. Mental note take 6 or go out to 5!

People are wrecking all over the place.
Maybe that's why they're there...????

How about DON'T SPEED ! :jet:

Go 'head. Bring it on. :lmao:

How about you learn what really causes crashes, then press your enforcement agency to target those behaviors for enforcement? People mostly crash because they fail to yield the right of way, or they fail to stay on the roadway.

How about you learn what really causes crashes, then press your enforcement agency to target those behaviors for enforcement? People mostly crash because they fail to yield the right of way, or they fail to stay on the roadway.

You forgot about failing to pay attention to the fact that they are driving a car not guiding a rolling restaurant, salon, or phone booth.

:buddies:

MOM has run the state into bankruptcy and needs the money. :shrug:

He rasies taxes, so the troopers have to go out and make up the revenue that was lost due to the higher taxes.. (a concept TOTALLY lost on a liberal mind).

How about you learn what really causes crashes, then press your enforcement agency to target those behaviors for enforcement? People mostly crash because they fail to yield the right of way, or they fail to stay on the roadway.

I always use two of my friends that I grew up with as an example of that. One of them drove slowly, like an old grandma. And riding shotgun with him scared the hell out of me, because he didn't watch what he was doing. Pulled out in front of people, couldn't stay in his lane, failed to notice stop signs.

The other one rode like a bat out of hell, 15 - 20mph over the limit was his minimum speed. I could sit back and relax in his vehicle, because he was paying attention to what he was doing.

People are wrecking all over the place.
Maybe that's why they're there...????

How about DON'T SPEED ! :jet:

Go 'head. Bring it on. :lmao:

I don't think setting up a speed trap on a rural road around a curve where a speed drops is going to prevent many accidents. It was a money grab, pure and simple. "We need $5K from you by noon, pick a juicy spot and show me the money." They should just merge the MSP and the Maryland Revenue service into one organization.

How about you learn what really causes crashes, then press your enforcement agency to target those behaviors for enforcement? People mostly crash because they fail to yield the right of way, or they fail to stay on the roadway.

Speed absolutely does NOT cause all crashes. It would be foolish to say so, which by the way - I didn't. The fact is speeding is against the law. If you choose to break the law, then you will and should be punished. If you disagree with the law, become an activist, or run for office.

The fact is... if someone pulls out in front of you, and you are speeding, it will be harder for you to stop and avoid the accident. It doesn't have to be your fault.

Speeding is just one of MANY problems on the road. But that doesn't make it any less dangerous. I've been driving for almost 30 years. I don't speed. I have never had a speeding ticket, and I have never been in a car accident in which I was the driver. Go figure...?

Speed absolutely does NOT cause all crashes. It would be foolish to say so, which by the way - I didn't. The fact is speeding is against the law. If you choose to break the law, then you will and should be punished. If you disagree with the law, become an activist, or run for office.

The fact is... if someone pulls out in front of you, and you are speeding, it will be harder for you to stop and avoid the accident. It doesn't have to be your fault.

Speeding is just one of MANY problems on the road. But that doesn't make it any less dangerous. I've been driving for almost 30 years. I don't speed. I have never had a speeding ticket, and I have never been in a car accident in which I was the driver. Go figure...?

I hoped you knocked on wood

The sneakiest I saw was a Trooper standing at the toll booth at the Harry Nice Bridge taking radar on the approaching cars. He let them stop to pay their toll, then walked over and said, "Pull over to the right in front of my car."

How about you learn what really causes crashes, then press your enforcement agency to target those behaviors for enforcement? People mostly crash because they fail to yield the right of way, or they fail to stay on the roadway.

You forgot about failing to pay attention to the fact that they are driving a car not guiding a rolling restaurant, salon, or phone booth.

:buddies:

I always use two of my friends that I grew up with as an example of that. One of them drove slowly, like an old grandma. And riding shotgun with him scared the hell out of me, because he didn't watch what he was doing. Pulled out in front of people, couldn't stay in his lane, failed to notice stop signs.

The other one rode like a bat out of hell, 15 - 20mph over the limit was his minimum speed. I could sit back and relax in his vehicle, because he was paying attention to what he was doing.


CD, you are correct that most of the crashes I mentioned can be laid to lack of attention as a root cause. And a lot of the rest can attributed to the result of crappy training, and peoples resutant inablility to deal with anything more complex than a squirrel, and a lot of times not even that. As shown by idiots that say, after being peeled off a phone pole, or out from under an oncoming SUV, "I was dodging an animal". Fools. Here's what happens....

OMFGTHINGSAREHAPPENING(Arms lock in current course, both feet stab brakes) WHATWHATWHATCRASH!!!!!!!!"

CD, you are correct that most of the crashes I mentioned can be laid to lack of attention as a root cause. And a lot of the rest can attributed to the result of crappy training, and peoples resutant inablility to deal with anything more complex than a squirrel, and a lot of times not even that. As shown by idiots that say, after being peeled off a phone pole, or out from under an oncoming SUV, "I was dodging an animal". Fools. Here's what happens....

OMFGTHINGSAREHAPPENING(Arms lock in current course, both feet stab brakes) WHATWHATWHATCRASH!!!!!!!!"

So very true. If only we could get these same idiots into a fleet of Ford Pinto's. It might provide enough weeding of the genetic garden to actually improve this country!

If only ....

If only ....

:lol:

People are wrecking all over the place.
Maybe that's why they're there...????

How about DON'T SPEED ! :jet:

Go 'head. Bring it on. :lmao:

Speed absolutely does NOT cause all crashes. It would be foolish to say so, which by the way - I didn't. The fact is speeding is against the law. If you choose to break the law, then you will and should be punished. If you disagree with the law, become an activist, or run for office.

The fact is... if someone pulls out in front of you, and you are speeding, it will be harder for you to stop and avoid the accident. It doesn't have to be your fault.

Speeding is just one of MANY problems on the road. But that doesn't make it any less dangerous. I've been driving for almost 30 years. I don't speed. I have never had a speeding ticket, and I have never been in a car accident in which I was the driver. Go figure...?


You drew the connection between "people wrecking all over the place" and speed. I did not. And I disagree with speed enforcement being the primary traffic enforcement tool, not with getting a ticket for speeeding. When I do, I take the ticket, thank the nice officer, pay my fine and move on.

Speed can be a problem. but if you want to reduce crashes (not accidents, that implies some sort of inevitability to it, while most are avoidable), then focus on the things that really cause crashes. Guy pulls out in front me, failing to yield the right of way, he caused the crash. See how that works? Now, my speed is a factor, but not the cause. I always recommend folks drive within their ability and their vehicles capabilities, and drive as if the other guy cannot, and be ready to take action. I have been driving since 1981 or so, a hair more than 30 years, speeding for almost all of it, and you know what? Never been in a crash in which I was the driver....go figure.

Maybe, just maybe, the fact that our shared experience has less to do with speed, and more to do with the fact that we are both attentive drivers, who stay with our and our vehicles limits? :buddies:

The sneakiest I saw was a Trooper standing at the toll booth at the Harry Nice Bridge taking radar on the approaching cars. He let them stop to pay their toll, then walked over and said, "Pull over to the right in front of my car."

:nono:.... I have see Calvert with a guy sitting behind guardrail in a lawn chair.... and the cop cars just past him.. they plucked them out of traffic as he radios to them.... :jet:

:nono:.... I have see Calvert with a guy sitting behind guardrail in a lawn chair.... and the cop cars just past him.. they plucked them out of traffic as he radios to them.... :jet:

I've seen that also, at the CC/AC line.

I've also seen them dressed in full camo doing radar along rt.4.

The scanner apps for your smart phones help out also. Well, they used to, for some reason Calvert County isn't on the list anymore.

Eh, they can get as sneaky as they want, what bothers me is when they step into a travel lane to wave people over. If your hunting for a killer, that level of risk is justified, but for someone doing 10-12 over on Rt 4, not so much.

You know, if you are not speeding you dont have to worry about paying off the Maryland democrats spending spree.
However if you are one of those that has the right to drive however fast they want, and you do get caught, I would like to personally thank you for doing your fair share in keeping my taxes from going even higher.

Speed on you little ATMs

You know, if you are not speeding you dont have to worry about paying off the Maryland democrats spending spree.
However if you are one of those that has the right to drive however fast they want, and you do get caught, I would like to personally thank you for doing your fair share in keeping my taxes from going even higher.

Speed on you little ATMs

Just do what I did....buy a 88HP car, so it's almost impossible to speed....especially if the AC is on.

Had to leave 10 minutes early for work this morning.

Alternatively, you could just generally keep your speeding to about 8mph over or so:) And or get a radar detector, and maybe top that off with a laser jammer. And the old standby of just not being the fastest one out there. Let some other sap take the radar shot:)

Eh, they can get as sneaky as they want, what bothers me is when they step into a travel lane to wave people over. If your hunting for a killer, that level of risk is justified, but for someone doing 10-12 over on Rt 4, not so much.

I've always wondered why their unions don't step up and demand that practice be stopped.

Just do what I did....buy a 88HP car, so it's almost impossible to speed....especially if the AC is on.

Had to leave 10 minutes early for work this morning.

:lmao: :howdy: Only 100hp over here, I feel your pain. It makes a difference when you try to keep cool.

Add that to the bazillions they make on the Bay Bridge we should be getting our own pot complete with chicken soon!

:whistle: I'll take the pot, but they can keep the chicken.... :cool::getdown::larry:

You drew the connection between "people wrecking all over the place" and speed. I did not.

I drew a connection between people wrecking, and increased police presence. Since the OP was about getting speeding tickets I suggested not speeding to avoid a ticket.

And I disagree with speed enforcement being the primary traffic enforcement tool, not with getting a ticket for speeeding. When I do, I take the ticket, thank the nice officer, pay my fine and move on.

I respect your opinion, and mine is - speeding is breaking the law, so you shouldn't speed, and if you don't speed, you won't get a speeding ticket.

Speed can be a problem. but if you want to reduce crashes (not accidents, that implies some sort of inevitability to it, while most are avoidable), then focus on the things that really cause crashes. Guy pulls out in front me, failing to yield the right of way, he caused the crash. See how that works? Now, my speed is a factor, but not the cause. I always recommend folks drive within their ability and their vehicles capabilities, and drive as if the other guy cannot, and be ready to take action.

No doubt! I'll repeat that it doesn't have to be your fault. Being ready for errors by other drivers is very important, but for me, avoiding any crash, even those caused by others, is paramount. If I went crashing into people who did dumb things because "it's not my fault", I'd be in a crash every day. And I call them accidents, because nobody crashes into someone intentionally (unless they are a psycho ex or something) I think if you are traveling at a reasonable speed you will have a better chance of taking evasive action and avoiding the collision... which is why we have speed limits.

I have been driving since 1981 or so, a hair more than 30 years, speeding for almost all of it, and you know what? Never been in a crash in which I was the driver....go figure.

...any speeding tickets? :wink:

Maybe, just maybe, the fact that our shared experience has less to do with speed, and more to do with the fact that we are both attentive drivers, who stay with our and our vehicles limits?

Yes, maybe... but I have had many close calls over the years. Some my fault, some other drivers' fault. But I have been able to avoid any accidents...maybe, just maybe, because I wasn't speeding.

Thanks for the friendly debate. This is something I feel strongly about. Our roads have turned into racetracks, with everyone trying to make it to the next light before the other guy. I have three children, and I have asked them all not to speed, while also trying to set a good example by not speeding or driving aggressively myself... it has worked for me.

The sneakiest I saw was a Trooper standing at the toll booth at the Harry Nice Bridge taking radar on the approaching cars. He let them stop to pay their toll, then walked over and said, "Pull over to the right in front of my car."

Brilliant a$$holery

Speed absolutely does NOT cause all crashes. It would be foolish to say so, which by the way - I didn't. The fact is speeding is against the law. If you choose to break the law, then you will and should be punished. If you disagree with the law, become an activist, or run for office.

The fact is... if someone pulls out in front of you, and you are speeding, it will be harder for you to stop and avoid the accident. It doesn't have to be your fault.

Speeding is just one of MANY problems on the road. But that doesn't make it any less dangerous. I've been driving for almost 30 years. I don't speed. I have never had a speeding ticket, and I have never been in a car accident in which I was the driver. Go figure...?

Waiting for chokesondicksJPC to come along and show us how to do it. Successfully.

Waiting for chokesondicksJPC to come along and show us how to do it. Successfully.

Do what successfully?? Brilliant a$$holery?

If they were getting the big offenders with SAFETY in mind I wouldn't give it a thought. This is just a tool to raise a few million dollars. 2 troopers running a speed trap and writing 5 $80 citations each per hour is $3200. Add that to the bazillions they make on the Bay Bridge we should be getting our own pot complete with chicken soon!

Yesterday in addition to all the speed traps just south of PF on 2/4 there was a rather large man standing in traffic hitchhiking. The trooper in the unmarked car next to me riding in the left lane at 55 didn't give a damn, he just kept on going until he turned off on Broomes Island road. Maybe because the uniform jacket hanging in the back window had Major oak leafs on the shoulders means he was above that.

:jameo: :cds: :jameo: :cds:

:settingcruisecontrol:

But in those places where folks are noticing a presence, are people wrecking? I know Chancellors Run has been a radar and laser shooting gallery since the rebuild, but the number of crashes has dropped amazingly. And speeds have increased. That's why the officers are there, not because of an increase in crashes.

Of course, avoiding all crashes is paramount, I didn't mean to imply that it was okay to just push responsibility off on the person who caused the crash. But that doesn't mean that he has any less responsibility. If it's all avoidable, it's incumbent on the other driver to do so. You seem to imply that because the "incident driver", meaning the one who caused the crash, didnt intend to cause a crash, that accident applies. I disagree, by taking actions that led to the crash, that removes the random aspect of a true accident. A boulder rolling down a cliff, a deer jumping into your path from the woods, a small piece of metal shredding a tire, those are accidents. Entering an intersection unsafely, that's not an accident, that's a choice.

Yep, I have had speeding tickets, but never unsafe operation types, and I have never been in a crash I was at fault in, only one time, actually, got rear ended by proxy. So it's possible to operate safely while speeding, but it has to be done safely. Full attention, proper equipment, and most importantly, with due care to conditions, including traffic. Exceeding the flow of traffic, bad idea. Weaving in and out, bad idea. Now, I do leave stop lights at a rate you would not agree with, I think. But I almost always am far ahead of the pack. But I view that as a safety margin for me. By myself, the pack cannot cause me problems.

So let me get this straight, you break the law and somehow we (law enforcement) are responsible for your lack in judgement? LoL just when I think I have heard it all.

So let me get this straight, you break the law and somehow we (law enforcement) are responsible for your lack in judgement? LoL just when I think I have heard it all.

If you would just move out of there way and let them go, things would work much smoother on the road.

Of course if someone is involved in an accident and their speed was found to be a contributing factor, I suggest loss of the privilege to drive for a period of no less that 10 years.

Just a note to all responses. The increase in traffic enforcement is multi-fold. Traffic enforcement in high crime areas reduces crime - fact - look up DDACTS studie - it works.
Second, data has been analyzed and provided to law enforcement to more appropriately direct traffic enforcement based on crashes, injury, serious injury and fatal crashes. Officer/Troopers are avioding the "chase the fatal' as we have less of those in total numbers and are directing their time and efforts in areas with high incidents of injuries and serious injuries. Some of these locations do overlay fatal crash areas.
As for traffic enforcement - it is a privilege not a right.
And most criminals drive (what ever their offense) and more contacts means more opportunities to catch criminals, change behaviors (safe habit development), and increase contacts also deters unsafe driving behaviors.
Don't want a ticket, - don't want to see the government in so way "stealing your money" then Don't speed, or drive drunk, or distracted, or aggressive, or with missing taillights, busted head lights, use your phone, your hairbrush, brush you teeth or do the dang crossword puzzle while driving. Thank you - each officer on the road. If I get a ticket, I certainly can't complain. Stop putting the onus on others. Man up!

CD, you are correct that most of the crashes I mentioned can be laid to lack of attention as a root cause. And a lot of the rest can attributed to the result of crappy training, and peoples resutant inablility to deal with anything more complex than a squirrel, and a lot of times not even that. As shown by idiots that say, after being peeled off a phone pole, or out from under an oncoming SUV, "I was dodging an animal". Fools. Here's what happens....

OMFGTHINGSAREHAPPENING(Arms lock in current course, both feet stab brakes) WHATWHATWHATCRASH!!!!!!!!"

If its smaller then a dog. i run it over. i am not wrecking a car over some damn animal..... if its a cat or a small dog then im sorry but keep you damn animals in the YARD not the STREET!

And the old standby of just not being the fastest one out there. Let some other sap take the radar shot:)

Worked for me this morning! They were running radar at SMC. It's a good trap - drops from 50 to 30 on a downhill. I was still doing 40 when I hit the 30 zone, but the woman in front of me was pulling away. Then the cop pulled out and got her....

There a 40mph piece in between the 50mph and the 30 going north, but not coming south. And they do seem to spend a lot of time in that parking lot.

Heading north......

Google Maps (http://goo.gl/maps/C19M)

There a 40mph piece in between the 50mph and the 30 going north, but not coming south. And they do seem to spend a lot of time in that parking lot.

Heading north......

Google Maps (http://goo.gl/maps/C19M)

It does go 50-40-30 on the southbound side. Once you start coming down the hill there's a 40 sign, then at the curve it goes to 30.

Worked for me this morning! They were running radar at SMC. It's a good trap - drops from 50 to 30 on a downhill. I was still doing 40 when I hit the 30 zone, but the woman in front of me was pulling away. Then the cop pulled out and got her....

I had the opposite happen to me one day on my way back from OC. I had pulled out of a gas station and the cop pulled me over for doing 75 in a 50. There's no fricken way. He most definately got the car flying past me. I was doing MAYBE 40, I had JUST pulled out.

I had the opposite happen to me one day on my way back from OC. I had pulled out of a gas station and the cop pulled me over for doing 75 in a 50. There's no fricken way. He most definately got the car flying past me. I was doing MAYBE 40, I had JUST pulled out.

Worked for me this morning! They were running radar at SMC. It's a good trap - drops from 50 to 30 on a downhill. I was still doing 40 when I hit the 30 zone, but the woman in front of me was pulling away. Then the cop pulled out and got her....


Speeders!

:killingme

Same thing happened to me though....going north on Rt.4 in between 2 cars, in the slow lane, doing 60mph.

Here comes this SUV flying up to me, jams itself between myself, and the car behind me.

Ends up being a cop, says I was doing 80.....

Went to court, asked if it was radar, or LIDAR. Cop says "radar". I ask the cop, "If you're using radar, and driving, how can you say for certain that I was the one supposedly doing 80mph"? Judge says, "We're not having that in my courtroom, here's points, and a fine"

The person before me was caught doing over 100mph on rt.4, and got community service.

One reason that speed enforcement is such a huge proportion of traffic enforcement itself, is that it's fast and easy in court. You can generate large numbers of citations (note I didnt say revenue, because I am sure its about having something to show, metrics, not profit) you make a good show for the public, and you get to wrap it all in the "speed kills" blanket.


The citizens who don't think beyond the safety commercials paid for by the grants, awarded according to numbers generated BTW, see the nice officers on the side of the road and think "Yeah, they are making me safer". The officer are doing as they are told, go here, run enforcement from X to Y, then do the next thing. The leadership gets the numbers needed for grant awards, and everybody's happy. And yes, the one benefit to pulling over 100 speeders as opposed to 5 people operating in an truly unsafe manner is that the officers go get a much greater chance to catch a bad guy through personal interaction. And that's a good thing. Worth the rest of the show? Me, I'm not so sure.

Is someone going through SMC at 42 really such an unsafe condition, especially when there are no students present? Compared to the people on 235 using the turn lane as a passing lane, or failing to yield at intersections?

Notice how they always drop the speed down so it's just a standard ticket versus reckless driving. That's to maximize profit since it reduces admin costs, court expenses, etc. That's why I always go to court no matter what. Cuts into their profit. Plus court is usually entertaining.

The court is also a racket. You can go to court and opt to pay a higher fine and not get any points at all. Its all about making as much money as possible.

Alternatively, you could just generally keep your speeding to about 8mph over or so:) And or get a radar detector, and maybe top that off with a laser jammer. And the old standby of just not being the fastest one out there. Let some other sap take the radar shot:)

Not saying speeding causes crashes at all here. But have to disagree about the 8 mph over. I personally have received 2 speeding tickets in over 30 years of driving, one was for 9mph over the limit 25 years ago, and the other was for 7 mph over the limit. The 7 mph was over 20 years ago and now never drive faster than 4 mph over or the limit dead on. My wife and son both got tickets in Cal. Co. for 7 mph over. I agree with what you are saying glhs, a lot of times speeding is not a public safety crisis but it is an easy revenue generator, i just decided to not play that game anymore. Unless i am passing someone, or getting ready to make a left turn, i am always in the right lane on rte 4.

WOW.....Three speed traps along rt 4 on my way home today.

Not saying speeding causes crashes at all here. But have to disagree about the 8 mph over. I personally have received 2 speeding tickets in over 30 years of driving, one was for 9mph over the limit 25 years ago, and the other was for 7 mph over the limit. The 7 mph was over 20 years ago and now never drive faster than 4 mph over or the limit dead on. My wife and son both got tickets in Cal. Co. for 7 mph over. I agree with what you are saying glhs, a lot of times speeding is not a public safety crisis but it is an easy revenue generator, i just decided to not play that game anymore. Unless i am passing someone, or getting ready to make a left turn, i am always in the right lane on rte 4.

Of course you can get a ticket for less than 10 over, but that's not the norm. And note thats for actual speed, not what the officer wrote on the ticket. Very few officers wont write it back down a few to keep you at less that 10 on paper, at least as long as you're polite to the officer. I know every ticket I have ever received I was going more than 10 over, but none of them ever said that on paper.

On another note why is RT 2/4 and 235/5 out in the rural areas 55? It is stupid. Another one is 301 on the Eastern Shore past the 301/50 split. 55 all the way to DE.

Probably because they are not limited access roads. We should be liucky they are 55 and not lower.

MD doesn't seem to have the sign requiremnts other states have. I know in PA there are regulations on how far in advance they have to warn you of the speed dropping and the interval for posting speed limit signs. You get more than 1 "warning" the speed is dropping and speed limit signs are suppose to be posted every quarter mile. In MD it would appear it's one shot. Usually after a major intersection and the warning comes right before the speed drops. You miss the sign and you really don't know.

And once again, speed enforcement has little to do with safety, it's about increasing revenue. It' sto easy to raise the fines and then demand "strict" enforcement.

Old friend was a PA state trooper and he filled me in on the sign regulations and the ticket writing. He hated local cops because they abused the system. If a wealthy development wasnted to reduce traffic on the main road, they would get the local cops to set up a speed trap, just inside the "reduced speed" zone. Win, Win, township gets revenue increase, cops warn people off about the use of the road if they are not "local" - and we are talking about a state route, that is not any where near a dead end.

Ok - All you Brainiakes (sp) - summer has just started - not only the hairied family on vacation, young drivers in the local area but tourist -- law enforcement is the way to hopefully get everyone safely to their destination -- mind you, DH and I have been pulled over in Mechanicsville but we try to watch the speed not to harm others on the road -- Basically -- stop Bit**ing if you aren't able to follow the rules of the road and not only keep your family safe but those around you!

Ok - All you Brainiakes (sp) - summer has just started - not only the hairied family on vacation, young drivers in the local area but tourist -- law enforcement is the way to hopefully get everyone safely to their destination -- mind you, DH and I have been pulled over in Mechanicsville but we try to watch the speed not to harm others on the road -- Basically -- stop Bit**ing if you aren't able to follow the rules of the road and not only keep your family safe but those around you!

Brainiacs? If you draw a connection between speed enforcement and increased safety, that makes sense. And if you assume the sort of speeding that garners tickets from this sort of enforcement is inherently unsafe, again, that makes sense. I wont insult you for thinking that, you have been fed that line your whole life, by people your supposed to be able to trust to give you accurate information. But I feel you have been misled.

I disagree with both of those ideas, and feel that enforcement focused on the things that scientific study have shown to truly be the cause of crashes would be a better way to spend that money and time. And the studies I refer to are done by national organizations like the Us Govts own NHTSA. Look beyond the simple mantra, and research what truly causes crashes, it is enlightening.

Ok - All you Brainiakes (sp) - summer has just started - not only the hairied family on vacation, young drivers in the local area but tourist -- law enforcement is the way to hopefully get everyone safely to their destination -- mind you, DH and I have been pulled over in Mechanicsville but we try to watch the speed not to harm others on the road -- Basically -- stop Bit**ing if you aren't able to follow the rules of the road and not only keep your family safe but those around you!

You sound mean and nasty.

On another note why is RT 2/4 and 235/5 out in the rural areas 55? It is stupid. Another one is 301 on the Eastern Shore past the 301/50 split. 55 all the way to DE.
I asked the SHA about this in 2008. Here is what they said:

The Rules of the Road in Maryland’s Transportation Article sets the maximum speed on divided highways outside a residential district at 55 mph and, except for Interstates and other expressways, specifically prohibits raising that limit.

Section 21-801.1
(e) (1) Notwithstanding any other provision of this subtitle, a maximum speed limit of more than 55 miles an hour may not be established or continued on any highway in this State that:
(i) Is not an interstate highway or an expressway;

An expressway is defined in Section 21-101(k):

“Expressway” means a major highway of 2 or more traffic lanes in each direction that is designed to eliminate principal traffic hazards and has the following characteristics:
(1) A median divider separating opposing traffic lanes to eliminate head-on collisions and sideswiping;
(2) Grade separation structures to eliminate the conflict of cross streams of traffic at each intersection;
(3) Points of entrance and exit limited to predetermined locations;
(4) Vertical curves long enough to provide long sight distances; and
(5) Shoulders wide enough to permit vehicles to stop or park out of traffic lanes.

Because US 301 in the area of interest has at-grade intersections, it is not an expressway and therefore state law prohibits raising the speed limit to higher than 55 mph.

Brainiacs? If you draw a connection between speed enforcement and increased safety, that makes sense. And if you assume the sort of speeding that garners tickets from this sort of enforcement is inherently unsafe, again, that makes sense. I wont insult you for thinking that, you have been fed that line your whole life, by people your supposed to be able to trust to give you accurate information. But I feel you have been misled.

I disagree with both of those ideas, and feel that enforcement focused on the things that scientific study have shown to truly be the cause of crashes would be a better way to spend that money and time. And the studies I refer to are done by national organizations like the Us Govts own NHTSA. Look beyond the simple mantra, and research what truly causes crashes, it is enlightening.
You keep forgetting that not everybody is a capable a driver as you so when you continue to spout off that speed enforcement does not increase safety you are wrong. One thing I have noticed since the increase in speed patrol along 4 is that we no longer have DAILY reports of cars flipping over as we were getting before... heck, we are even managing to make it an entire week without such a report. Yes, I do believe it is because folks are traveling at a slower pace.

You keep forgetting that not everybody is a capable a driver as you so when you continue to spout off that speed enforcement does not increase safety you are wrong. One thing I have noticed since the increase in speed patrol along 4 is that we no longer have DAILY reports of cars flipping over as we were getting before... heck, we are even managing to make it an entire week without such a report. Yes, I do believe it is because folks are traveling at a slower pace.

Where on 4 are you talking about? There was a spate of such on 5 up near Leonardtown a few weeks back, and one near Wildwood, I think, but none from Calvert come to mind.

Where on 4 are you talking about? There was a spate of such on 5 up near Leonardtown a few weeks back, and one near Wildwood, I think, but none from Calvert come to mind.

Key search word 'Huntington" comes to mind.

Speeders!

:killingme

Same thing happened to me though....going north on Rt.4 in between 2 cars, in the slow lane, doing 60mph.

Here comes this SUV flying up to me, jams itself between myself, and the car behind me.

Ends up being a cop, says I was doing 80.....

Went to court, asked if it was radar, or LIDAR. Cop says "radar". I ask the cop, "If you're using radar, and driving, how can you say for certain that I was the one supposedly doing 80mph"? Judge says, "We're not having that in my courtroom, here's points, and a fine"

The person before me was caught doing over 100mph on rt.4, and got community service.So this is part of why you're a cop hater. Ok. :coffee:

Key search word 'Huntington" comes to mind.

Okay, here's what I got.


Huntingtown Volunteers Save Accident Victim’s Life | Southern Maryland News Net (http://smnewsnet.com/archives/8336)

Single car, no mention of speed, back in Jan.

A few other crashes. You are going to have to give me more to go on, Huntingtown and flipped are not helping a lot.