After reading another story today, I get the impression that St. Mary's is going to let the new CSM campus go to Hughesville. The commisioners took sewer plans out of the budget for Charlotte Hall. Wow! They better put them back in ASAP or lose a windfall resource for the county. The state is going to pay $15.8 million out of $21 million for the campus. It's not too much for them to ask a county for the land to put it on. Building a CSM new campus is a lot of jobs and support for the local economy. I'd like to own a coffee shop or small restaurant next to it. That doesn't count the jobs to build it and staff it. I really hate to see this opportunity wasted. I mean, really, who loses a $21,000,000.00 deal because they can't figure out how to plan a sewer system? Didn't the Romans figure that out a while ago? Oh wait, the new CSM building supports the industrial arts and energy programs. Hmmm...maybe the county needs plumbers more than it would like to admit?

Unless Pax River Naval Base wants it it ain't going to happen in St Marys County.

Where are they going to build it in Hughesville?

Hughesville is the best geographic location to position a business or facility designed to serve the tricounty area .

They managed to get us an Ollie's Bargain Outlet down in the hood.

Hughesville is the best geographic location to position a business or facility designed to serve the tricounty area .


Hughesville is already pretty close to existing campuses in LaPlata and PF.

Unless Pax River Naval Base wants it it ain't going to happen in St Marys County.

Sadly, you may be right.

Where are they going to build it in Hughesville?

According to the article in the Enterprise, there are about 6 proposed locations. 3 in each county. Neither has sewer, which is a requirement for the build. A few weeks ago, St. Mary's commissioners made the executive decision to pull the money to plan a sewer system from Charlotte Hall. Instead, they decided the funds were better spent in Lexington Park. So, it looks like they pooped the bed for a $20,000,000.00 deal in their county, unless they do an about face. I just don't think that's going to happen...the chronology of events makes me suspicious they didn't deliberately pull their punch. Diliberate or dumb, hope Chuck county likes the digs! BTW- I thought Hughesville was anti-development when the bypass project happened?

Hughesville is already pretty close to existing campuses in LaPlata and PF.

Exactly! Besides, wasn't Hughesville anti-development during the bypass project? People wanted to keep it quiet and country? Do you know how much noise college kids make? LOL!

They managed to get us an Ollie's Bargain Outlet down in the hood.

Well, I trade you the flea market in CH for your Ollie's! LOL!

Tear-out the hooker hotels on GMR and put it there

Hughesville is already pretty close to existing campuses in LaPlata and PF.

Even better, will allow them to decrease duplicate classes by offering them at the Hughesville location. Still reachable for 75% of St Marys population in less than 30 minutes.

Tear-out the hooker hotels on GMR and put it there

Hotel's ???? There is only one Motel on Great Mill's Road. Have you ever been on that road? It really grates on my nerves when people post but don't know what they are talking about.

According to the article in the Enterprise, there are about 6 proposed locations. 3 in each county. Neither has sewer, which is a requirement for the build. A few weeks ago, St. Mary's commissioners made the executive decision to pull the money to plan a sewer system from Charlotte Hall. Instead, they decided the funds were better spent in Lexington Park. So, it looks like they pooped the bed for a $20,000,000.00 deal in their county, unless they do an about face. I just don't think that's going to happen...the chronology of events makes me suspicious they didn't deliberately pull their punch. Diliberate or dumb, hope Chuck county likes the digs! BTW- I thought Hughesville was anti-development when the bypass project happened?

The commissioners would rather spend money that will enable the drugs addicts, mentally ill people. Like when we got Pathways for addicts and the mentally ill from other counties as well as other states. The junkies refuse to stop using so they are thrown out of the program, increasing our homeless. :crazy:

The way I read it, Larry Jarboe pushed to have the sewer plan removed from the Metcom master plan out of nowhere. Then a week later it comes up he is offering his lumber yard for CSM's new campus, which is conviently right next to either Burch or Burroughs private sewer system. The water system CSM needs does not have to be public. Pretty funny how that works. He can vote no to everything but making some money for himself.

As for Hughsville "being in the middle of everything"....maybe..but it is also 10 minutes from Charlotte Hall. It's not like someone who can make it to Hughesville can't make it to Charlotte Hall without minor inconvience. Plus, ever since Hughsville railed against the baseball stadium, I could care less if they ever get another big project. It's a consequence of being picky about what investment you allow.

One other thing is that the Prince Frederick CSM campus is 10 minutes down 231 from Hughesville. It would be the equivelent of saying you are going to build a campus in the middle, then build one in Hollywood, 10 minutes from the Leonardtown campus.

The way I read it, Larry Jarboe pushed to have the sewer plan removed from the Metcom master plan out of nowhere. Then a week later it comes up he is offering his lumber yard for CSM's new campus, which is conviently right next to either Burch or Burroughs private sewer system. The water system CSM needs does not have to be public. Pretty funny how that works. He can vote no to everything but making some money for himself.

As for Hughsville "being in the middle of everything"....maybe..but it is also 10 minutes from Charlotte Hall. It's not like someone who can make it to Hughesville can't make it to Charlotte Hall without minor inconvience. Plus, ever since Hughsville railed against the baseball stadium, I could care less if they ever get another big project. It's a consequence of being picky about what investment you allow.

One other thing is that the Prince Frederick CSM campus is 10 minutes down 231 from Hughesville. It would be the equivelent of saying you are going to build a campus in the middle, then build one in Hollywood, 10 minutes from the Leonardtown campus.

Sunovaaagun! I forgot about the baseball stadium! I'm with you---screw Hughesville! The St. Mary's commissioners need to unscrew themselves, make MetCom put together a sewer plan, and land a $21,000,000.00 public works plan in Charlotte Hall! Enough of their subversive ineptitude BS (oh! sorry it won't work we're too stupid)! It's not rocket science! "You could put a sewer in Lex. Park or you could put a sewer AND a college in Charlotte Hall?" In business school they call that an opportunity statement! BTW- I'm still really pissed about Hughesville screwing us over the ball park. I gave them a "pass" on the "bypass," now I'm just sick of their crap and want to steal their business and tax base! LOL!

Hotel's ???? There is only one Motel on Great Mill's Road. Have you ever been on that road? It really grates on my nerves when people post but don't know what they are talking about.

Yes all the time, motel, hotel, holiday inn....

Who cares you got the point

Exactly! Besides, wasn't Hughesville anti-development during the bypass project? People wanted to keep it quiet and country? Do you know how much noise college kids make? LOL!

I think you're right, I live in Carriage Crossing and there are signs about anti-development and rezoning issues.

I doubt residents of Hughesville want all those noisy kids hot rodding up and down their roads. Look at the mess they avoided with that baseball stadium, all that crime, congestion and hub bub......:nono:

I doubt residents of Hughesville want all those noisy kids hot rodding up and down their roads. Look at the mess they avoided with that baseball stadium, all that crime, congestion and hub bub......:nono:

I wonder, how is the planned resurfacing of Old Rt 5 in Hughesville with bricks and making it into a safe location for families to go shopping and walking around the elegant promenades coming along?

The way I read it, Larry Jarboe pushed to have the sewer plan removed from the Metcom master plan out of nowhere. Then a week later it comes up he is offering his lumber yard for CSM's new campus, which is conviently right next to either Burch or Burroughs private sewer system.

This county is run by a bunch of SMIB's. Do you really expect anything else?

I wonder, how is the planned resurfacing of Old Rt 5 in Hughesville with bricks and making it into a safe location for families to go shopping and walking around the elegant promenades coming along?

By the time Old Rt. 5 ever gets bricked, everything will have closed down, its almost a ghost town now. Only thing keeping Hughesville alive is the fact SMECO is located there and the Harley dealer. If he (Harley owner) keeps buying all the buildings in town, they may have to change the name of Hughesville to his last name.

To another comment from someone else, Hughesville and Charlotte Hall are seconds away from each other not 10 minutes.

QUOTE=vince77;4849735]I doubt residents of Hughesville want all those noisy kids hot rodding up and down their roads. Look at the mess they avoided with that baseball stadium, all that crime, congestion and hub bub......:nono:[/QUOTE]

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I doubt residents of Hughesville want all those noisy kids hot rodding up and down their roads. Look at the mess they avoided with that baseball stadium, all that crime, congestion and hub bub......:nono:

Exactly! Crisis avoided! Don't worry, CH will step up and take the hit for a new college campus! We'll even let them dance and hold hands! LOL!:yahoo:

Exactly! Crisis avoided! Don't worry, CH will step up and take the hit for a new college campus! We'll even let them dance and hold hands! LOL!:yahoo:

If by CH you are referring to Charlotte Hall, what county do you think it is in? That urban sprawl area doesn't govern itself.

If by CH you are referring to Charlotte Hall, what county do you think it is in? That urban sprawl area doesn't govern itself.

CH just got approved for a $4,000,000.00 park and ride facility on Golden Beach road for 500 cars. They just broke ground. We may as well have a college to park all of those cars in front of... If it's urban sprawl or traffic that is a problem, consider this forecast, the county has about 101,000 people now and that number will rise to about 150,000 in the next 18 years.

CSM has a campus in each of the 3 "Southern Maryland" Counties...why in the hell do they need another Campus for anyway??? I really can't imagine the need for another one and I really don't see how any county will actually benefit from it...I live in southern Calvert area and within 45 mins I can access any CSM campus???

CSM has a campus in each of the 3 "Southern Maryland" Counties...why in the hell do they need another Campus for anyway??? I really can't imagine the need for another one and I really don't see how any county will actually benefit from it...I live in southern Calvert area and within 45 mins I can access any CSM campus???

Well, there are the jobs to build it. The jobs to staff it. The jobs to maintain it. The jobs created by the folk who train there in the trades that start small businesses. The jobs filled in the critical shortages in health care by the folk educated there. The folks that can fill skill shortages in the energy sector that are educated there. Get my point? There are 9,000 undergraduates at CSM and easily double that number in the workforce development & training programs. Why wouldn't you the resource in your community?

Well, there are the jobs to build it. The jobs to staff it. The jobs to maintain it. The jobs created by the folk who train there in the trades that start small businesses. The jobs filled in the critical shortages in health care by the folk educated there. The folks that can fill skill shortages in the energy sector that are educated there. Get my point? There are 9,000 undergraduates at CSM and easily double that number in the workforce development & training programs. Why wouldn't you the resource in your community?

It is my opinion that the jobs created from building, staff and maintain are just a temporary ploy in 'creating' jobs that I don't think will last. Are the other facilities not holding up to thier potential? What will Calvert campus, St. Mary's campus and of course Charles campus do then when enrollment drops? Will those jobs 'created' there be lost? Are all 9000 undergraduates( or twice that) staying in the southern Md area...I really don't think they are!

CH just got approved for a $4,000,000.00 park and ride facility on Golden Beach road for 500 cars. They just broke ground. We may as well have a college to park all of those cars in front of... If it's urban sprawl or traffic that is a problem, consider this forecast, the county has about 101,000 people now and that number will rise to about 150,000 in the next 18 years.

OK, you replied to my post. Now how about answering my question. Why don't they build it in Lexington Park. It would be more convenient to the people working on the base to further their skills.

It is my opinion that the jobs created from building, staff and maintain are just a temporary ploy in 'creating' jobs that I don't think will last. Are the other facilities not holding up to thier potential? What will Calvert campus, St. Mary's campus and of course Charles campus do then when enrollment drops? Will those jobs 'created' there be lost? Are all 9000 undergraduates( or twice that) staying in the southern Md area...I really don't think they are!

The county is projected to grow from about 100,000 to 150,000 in the next 18 years...give or take a few thousand. Demand is unlikely to decrease, unless the Golden Egg that is Pax is a victim of steep defense cuts. As for jobs lost and gained, I'm sorry but there is no basis for your assertion. It is anecdotal, at best. Can you back up your hypotheseis with trend data, projections, or any other form of modeling? The census data collected in the past few decades is very clear, projecting a definitive upward trend in population. A relation clearly exists between population size and a demand for government services. Demographic trending models provide a reasonable basis for my hypothesis that growth will not abate in the near future. The only way to really know is to wait 18 years. If the next 18 years are anything like the last 18 years, I would be prepared to grow.

OK, you replied to my post. Now how about answering my question. Why don't they build it in Lexington Park. It would be more convenient to the people working on the base to further their skills.

They won't build it in Lexington Park because their stated goal is a centralized location convenient to all three counties. Does that sufficiently answer your question? Also, the fact is that Mechanicsville has more people than Lexington Park. Please review the link below, if you don't believe me.

http://www.co.saint-marys.md.us/docs/document27-economicoverview.pdf

It is my opinion that the jobs created from building, staff and maintain are just a temporary ploy in 'creating' jobs that I don't think will last. Are the other facilities not holding up to thier potential? What will Calvert campus, St. Mary's campus and of course Charles campus do then when enrollment drops? Will those jobs 'created' there be lost? Are all 9000 undergraduates( or twice that) staying in the southern Md area...I really don't think they are!

Here are some freshly plagiarized facts from a county PP about St. Mary's county. Note: We have one of the youngest counties w/a high birth rate. "Kids got to go to school somewhere!"

http://www.co.saint-marys.md.us/docs/document27-economicoverview.pdf

Population 105,151
–Fastest growing county in MD 2000-2010
–Population increased 22%
–2nd highest birth rate and 6th lowest death rate in state
–3rd youngest population in state (by county)
–Highest concentration of military veterans (12%)

They won't build it in Lexington Park because their stated goal is a centralized location convenient to all three counties. Does that sufficiently answer your question? Also, the fact is that Mechanicsville has more people than Lexington Park. Please review the link below, if you don't believe me.

http://www.co.saint-marys.md.us/docs/document27-economicoverview.pdf

This is the question that you still did not answer.

Originally Posted by Roberta View Post
If by CH you are referring to Charlotte Hall, what county do you think it is in?" That urban sprawl area doesn't govern itself.

Nice try, ignoring my question and posting links that have nothing whats so ever to do with my question.
Start over by first reading your post #24 and try to follow the thread.

The heart of Charlotte Hall is in St Marys. Its the post office with 20622 zipcode that has expanded Charlotte Hall into Charles. There is more addresses in Charles with the 20622 zipcode then there is in St Marys.

The heart of Charlotte Hall is in St Marys. Its the post office with 20622 zipcode that has expanded Charlotte Hall into Charles. There is more addresses in Charles with the 20622 zipcode then there is in St Marys.

Absolutely. I never really understood how Charlotte Hall managed to straddle two counties. I always figured it was one of those things. But, you're definitely right, there are more CH addresses in Charles county than St. Mary's. The population powerhouse, if you want to call it that, really is Mechanicsville, which also confuses me. It's another odd geographical configuration. Thanks! Have a great weekend!

This is the question that you still did not answer.

Originally Posted by Roberta View Post
If by CH you are referring to Charlotte Hall, what county do you think it is in?" That urban sprawl area doesn't govern itself.

Nice try, ignoring my question and posting links that have nothing whats so ever to do with my question.
Start over by first reading your post #24 and try to follow the thread.

"If by CH you are referring to Charlotte Hall, what county do you think it is in?" That urban sprawl area doesn't govern itself."


I'm not sure what you're driving at? Honestly, it's not my job to convince you of anything. As another poster pointed out, the heart of CH is in St. Mary's but the Charles side has more people. I agree. If I'm wrong about the heart being in St. Mary's, where are the post office and most of the businesses located?

The statement "...urban sprawl doesn't govern itself" is a statement of the obvious, but to what end? Obviously, a government does preside over the urban sprawl that you're alluding to? In fact, two jurisdictions; Charles and St. Mary's counties. What's the point?

More importantly, what does any of this have to do with a discussion about whether or not St. Mary's is blowing a good opportunity to build a CSM campus in CH? Specifically, the withdrawal of budget support for a Metcom sewer plan immediately preceding the annoucement of the college's intentions?

The facts are the college wants a central location according to the press accounts. Someone claimed Lexington Park was a bigger population center than CH. The fact is they were wrong and their statement untrue. The research behind the PP proves it. It comes from the US Census Bureau. Mechanicsville has the biggest population center in St. Mary's county, and it happens to neighbor CH.

Don't get me wrong, but is it possible that you've dug your heels in and are only hearing what you want to hear? Just stick to the facts in evidence. Opinions are OK, if they are qualified, but anecdotal statements don't really advance the dialogue. If they do, I declare that NASA is wrong and the moon is made of cheese! LOL! Regardless, I enjoy the exchange and hope you have a good weekend! Hope I wasn't too hard on you.

Someone claimed Lexington Park was a bigger population center than CH. The fact is they were wrong and their statement untrue. The research behind the PP proves it. It comes from the US Census Bureau. Mechanicsville has the biggest population center in St. Mary's county, and it happens to neighbor CH.



Think that was me. And how was I wrong? Right from that PP.

Lexington Park 24,481
Mechanicsville 23,498

Seems to me, and maybe I am indeed wrong, but last time I checked, 24,481 was a larger number than 23,498.

As for the other numbers. (In St Marys)

Charlotte Hall 4,900
California 10,503

And of course, Great Mills....5,927

My point was that the Lexington Park area (and I did leave Hollywood out, that would be in the L-town area) has over 40,000 people. Lex Park alone is the single greatest population center in the county. Add in it's two neighbors, and it is the population center of the county. In what way is that wrong?

Think that was me. And how was I wrong? Right from that PP.

Lexington Park 24,481
Mechanicsville 23,498

Seems to me, and maybe I am indeed wrong, but last time I checked, 24,481 was a larger number than 23,498.

As for the other numbers. (In St Marys)

Charlotte Hall 4,900
California 10,503

And of course, Great Mills....5,927

My point was that the Lexington Park area (and I did leave Hollywood out, that would be in the L-town area) has over 40,000 people. Lex Park alone is the single greatest population center in the county. Add in it's two neighbors, and it is the population center of the county. In what way is that wrong?

Yep. You're right! I was wrong. Lexington Park is still the population King! LOL! No. I don't think bundling communities is wrong. Look, if you can get CSM to build another campus so close to Leonardtown...I'm for it. The more educational outlets the better. However, that's not the proposal on the table. I'm just crunchy about the fact the commissioners pulled the budget for a Metcom sewer plan in CH immediately before the CSM opportunity was presented. I think that stinks! It was either the fix being put in or subversive ineptitude. How can a bunch of commissioners be so out of touch that they know nothing about the deal being in the pipeline, especially when bids for land had been solicited? Really? Who's watching the store here? I hate to say it, but I heard rumors about it months ago sitting in a barbershop! Really, you didn't need satellites or the CIA to know. For the record, I don't know or care who belongs to what political party, since I don't trust or like either of them! The bottomline for St. Mary's is that you could:

A. Put in a sewer in Lexington Park OR

B. Put in a college and a sewer in CH

Honestly, if the geography were reversed, I would see the reason in getting a "toofer" deal. Who knows, maybe you can get another CSM campus. Our politicians up here ain't all that impressive when it comes to bringing home the pork! Have a good weekend!

The heart of Charlotte Hall is in St Marys. Its the post office with 20622 zipcode that has expanded Charlotte Hall into Charles. There is more addresses in Charles with the 20622 zipcode then there is in St Marys.

Post proof of this. I found no documentation to confirm your statement.

Post proof of this. I found no documentation to confirm your statement.

You just have to look at a zipcode map to see this. Only the most northern parts of St Marys falls into the 20622 code, thats Mt Wolfe Rd, Oaks Rd, very little of Golden Beach Rd and Old Charlotte Hall Rd, and businesses from Mohawk down to Rt. 6. The zipcode of 20622 is what makes Charlotte Hall part of Charles as far as total area.

Post proof of this. I found no documentation to confirm your statement.

If a zip code is the determining factor, try picking up a package at your post office without entering St. Mary's county! LOL! I'm still not sure why the geographical definition of CH matters. Obviously, the thread expresses a desire for the new CSM campus to on the St. Mary's side of CH. Take care!