What ever happened to the houses that were falling into the bay? They seemed to just disappear (figuratively) one day.

What ever happened to the houses that were falling into the bay? They seemed to just disappear (figuratively) one day.

They're still in falling, slowly so far...

An agreement has been floating around in the federal, state, and local governments concerning beetle mitigation fees. The last estimate I heard was for POACRE properties on the cliffs... $97,000.00 for the mitigation.

The cliff home owners are trying to work out an agreement that POACRE won't have to pay the mitigation but the homeowners themselves would have to pay a fee based on the beetle habitation of their particular property.

Once that hurdle is crossed, then a rehab of the cliff [I'll just use bayscaping based on the stuff I've scene] can begin, designed by the COE approval. That's going to be costly. If the homeowners can get through the hurdles in time.... they can save their homes and open Golden West Way again.

Based on the fact that Golden West Way is a major evacuation route for over 20% of the counties population; home for numerous military families; home to enough children to fill 6 schools; and home of power plant workers, LNG plant workers, and numerous nurses, teachers, fire fighters.... I would suspect it may be time to do some lobbying next year.

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There are ten houses that filed for the hazard mitigation grant in which FEMA will buy them out. It was suppose to happen in November, then Jan, then June, and who knows when now. Structural engineers letter condemning the properties have been sent in. All that is needed now would be the quote from construction demo company to remove house, driveway, and make a bare lot out of it. Once this quote is factored in, then the ten houses go to settlement.

This story gets easily overlooked by most but is truly unbelievable. You have a handful of homeowners that want to do nothing but protect their homes, their most valuable assets, and you have the government (Fed, state and local) standing in their way over a friggin beetle. A beetle? Really. Now we have GOD knows how many government workers studying beetle habitat, mitigation, structural review, impact assessment......gimme a frigin break. This is half whats wrong with the United States in general. We are a complete joke to the rest of the world. The Chinese can build the Yantzee river dam in 4 years, from conception to completion, displacing a million people and thousands of sq miles of real estate.....but we cant get a pizz azz section of beach rebuilt because of some weird beetle and govt regulation over a decades time. Its an atrocity to those homeowners, many of whom would pay the cost of shore protection, but are locked up in this ridiculous battle for the beetle.

Based on the fact that Golden West Way is a major evacuation route for over 20% of the counties population;

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People lost interest. Plus, the one owner didn't do herself any favors in an interview when she said she knew the cliff was eroding when she bought and was going to sell to someone else before it impacted her.

Its an atrocity to those homeowners, many of whom would pay the cost of shore protection, but are locked up in this ridiculous battle for the beetle.

But...hang on a second. I've never seen a credible study done that identified an effective way to "mitigate" the erosion on those cliff banks. Was a practical method ever identified?..and if so, the cost?

I know that the cost of fully protecting my own shoreline from erosion would easily exceed a quarter million bucks and its barely 3' high at the tallest point and on much more sheltered waters. Imagine the cost of trying to stabilize and protect bay cliffs that are 10 times that tall..and more.

But...hang on a second. I've never seen a credible study done that identified an effective way to "mitigate" the erosion on those cliff banks. Was a practical method ever identified?..and if so, the cost?

I know that the cost of fully protecting my own shoreline from erosion would easily exceed a quarter million bucks and its barely 3' high at the tallest point and on much more sheltered waters. Imagine the cost of trying to stabilize and protect bay cliffs that are 10 times that tall..and more.

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They tried 100' foot cliff stabilization where I lived in NY. They tried many different methods, costing way too much, but were never successful. One good storm wipes out everything accomplished. They've been trying since the 60s and have yet to get one embankment to hold.

Buying a house that close to a bluff or cliff is just an accident waiting to happen.

.... olden West Way is a major evacuation route for over 20% of the counties population;


Highly doubtful that 20% of the COUNTY uses GWW. Maybe - and it's a big, big maybe - 20% of CRE residents use that road, but definitely not 20% of the county.

Is that what you meant?

Theses people bought or built these houses in a place that anyone should have known was hazardous to the health of buildings. Now they want the taxpayer to bail them out. More money down the proverbial drain.:bigwhoop:

Theses people bought or built these houses in a place that anyone should have known was hazardous to the health of buildings. Now they want the taxpayer to bail them out. More money down the proverbial drain.:bigwhoop:

I dont think they want the taxpayer to bail them out. If so, then I would agree with you. I think they want to simply protect their own shoreline at their expense and are being denied due to the endangered beetle issue. Maybe Im wrong.

And I think if they simply put up a commercial rip rap barrier to protect the cliff from a constant hammering it would help drastically. Maybe not be an ideal and perfect fix, but would most certainly slow down the erosion and help the problem, now worsen it. At their expense then who cares. The beetle lovers....ufb.

Are cliff houses like abbreviated versions of real houses..

Maybe only a 1/2 or 1/4 story, but with the main part of the story intact?

Like a full kitchen but only a 6X6 living room, and a 6X6 dining room?

A three story, 6000 Square foot cliff house will fit in the same area as a 1200 square foot rambler... but you'll still get the same "feel" of a 6000 sf house?

Highly doubtful that 20% of the COUNTY uses GWW. Maybe - and it's a big, big maybe - 20% of CRE residents use that road, but definitely not 20% of the county.

Is that what you meant?

Yep... that's what I meant... sorry... :coffee:

I dont think they want the taxpayer to bail them out. If so, then I would agree with you. I think they want to simply protect their own shoreline at their expense and are being denied due to the endangered beetle issue. Maybe Im wrong.

And I think if they simply put up a commercial rip rap barrier to protect the cliff from a constant hammering it would help drastically. Maybe not be an ideal and perfect fix, but would most certainly slow down the erosion and help the problem, now worsen it. At their expense then who cares. The beetle lovers....ufb.

Somehow the government came up with a number to let the homeowners on the cliff pay a fee for the tiger beetles that will probably perish.

The homeowners are working to protect their own property.... mingled in there though is the CRE property. If the homeowners protect their own property somehow, the water will make its way around their property and wash out the CRE property....

The question for me is not saving their homes. The question is "can we re-open Golden West Way safely?".