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vraiblonde
06-29-2012, 07:51 AM
Friend,

Today, the Supreme Court upheld Obamacare. But regardless of what the Court said about the constitutionality of the law, Obamacare is bad medicine, it is bad policy, and when I'm President, the bad news of Obamacare will be over.

It was always a liberal pipedream that a 2,700 page, multi-trillion-dollar Federal Government takeover of our health care system actually could address the very serious problems we face with health care. With Obamacare fully installed, government will reach fully half of the economy -- that is the recipe for a struggling economy and declining prosperity.

On Day One, I will work to repeal Obamacare to stop the government's takeover of our health care and intrusion in our lives. I will push for real reform to our health care system that focuses on helping patients and protecting taxpayers.

We cannot afford Barack Obama's on-the-job learning, Big Government proposals, and irresponsible spending. Our basic liberties are at stake -- and I will fight to restore our freedoms, renew the respect for our Constitution, and halt the government takeover of health care.

This November it's all on the line. The stakes couldn't be higher.

Donate $10 or more to put a stop to the policies of Barack Obama and the liberal Democrats.

Thanks,

Mitt Romney

Does anyone really believe this? And how is Obamacare different than MA's Romneycare?

Baz
06-29-2012, 08:22 AM
Does anyone really believe this? And how is Obamacare different than MA's Romneycare?

Well, he says he's going to work towards appealing it. So in that sense he may be at least technically truthful. He could walk in and say "Hey, any chance we can repeal this? No? Oh, okay then....just thought I'd try. I worked on it." While it sounds nice to many Righties, I don't think many who think it over believe he will actually get it repealed. It's more realistic to think he can work on tweaking it so it's more palatable to everyone.

Also, Romney's saying he'd like to keep many parts of Obamacare in place, but eliminating the individual mandate. Here's where Romney gets stuck, as he was all for individual mandates as governor, and as a 2008 presidential candidate. All Team Obama needs to do is run those clips over and over.

It's interesting watching Mitt try to distance himself from his biggest accomplishment as governor.

SamSpade
06-29-2012, 08:22 AM
Does anyone really believe this? And how is Obamacare different than MA's Romneycare?

Yup.

Remember also that Mitt has said in the past that at the very worst, this should be implemented at the state level.

And he has said this just about every single time I have heard him speak in the last few months. Frankly, he's beginning to sound a little like Marcus Cato, who ended every speech with "Carthago delenda est" (Carthage must be destroyed) - it became like saying Amen.

And he primarily would do this off the bat by granting waivers to any state that wants them.

Last night, Michele Bachmann said that we just need 50 votes plus one (50, plus Romney's VP) to overturn Obamacare, because they can do it under reconciliation. Hey, if they can PASS it under reconciliation, they can kill it the same way.

As I see it, capturing the Senate at 50 is close, but it can be done. We have 45 more or less "safe" seats. We need to capture Nevada, Montana, North Dakota, Missouri and Wisconsin, and Republicans have a comfortable lead in all of them. Actually, I'd say Missouri and Wisconsin are slam dunks - no one wants McCaskill back, and Thompson is a former governor of Wisconsin who is very popular. The other three are conservative states that usually elect Republicans.

It can happen.

SamSpade
06-29-2012, 08:24 AM
Well, he says he's going to work towards appealing it.

RE peal. Repeal. You can't overturn it on the first day, but you can hamstring it on the first day with the waivers. If 26 states want out, that just about guts it right there.

Baz
06-29-2012, 08:26 AM
RE peal. Repeal. You can't overturn it on the first day, but you can hamstring it on the first day with the waivers. If 26 states want out, that just about guts it right there.

Yeah, repeal. That's what I meant.

foodcritic
06-29-2012, 08:29 AM
Does anyone really believe this? And how is Obamacare different than MA's Romneycare?

Yes I believe he will. His plan was state run/implemented, a philosophical difference for sure.

Also it's politics. It's a job killer. He would be have to politically. Reality for me is I think that he is more conservative than he leads us to believe. As a person/speaker I find him very appealing and articulate.

Cheeky1
06-29-2012, 08:36 AM
Well, he says he's going to work towards appealing it. So in that sense he may be at least technically truthful. He could walk in and say "Hey, any chance we can repeal this? No? Oh, okay then....just thought I'd try. I worked on it."

I don't like it, but this is the inclination I get as well.

I'm sure every president has done this to a certain extent. Say something to pacify the people, then work on something else.

SamSpade
06-29-2012, 08:36 AM
He has mentioned on several occasions the differences.

Most obviously, it is a state plan, because he believes in federalism. Don't like Romneycare? Move to New Hampshire. Or overturn it. (One thing about large federal programs - once they're ensconced, not even an act of God can remove it).

Another is, he didn't raise taxes or gut Medicare to do it.

Another is, the government isn't the arbiter of price controls.

There are any number of differences, although the version that exists in Massachusetts today is the bastardized version that Duval Patrick has crafted on top of it. At least one of the reasons I hate government run programs like these - they're not immune to stupid-ass tinkering by bureaucrats who make it worse.

SamSpade
06-29-2012, 08:38 AM
I don't like it, but this is the inclination I get as well.

I'm sure every president has done this to a certain extent. Say something to pacify the people, then work on something else.

Then don't believe him - he's said it so many times, it's become like Justin Bieber's "Baby" in my ears. He has said as many times how he plans to do it.

And if Obama is re-elected, Obamacare is permanent. It never goes away. For as long as this republic stands.

Merlin99
06-29-2012, 09:51 AM
Then don't believe him - he's said it so many times, it's become like Justin Bieber's "Baby" in my ears. He has said as many times how he plans to do it.

And if Obama is re-elected, Obamacare is permanent. It never goes away. For as long as this republic stands.
If the R's take enough of the house and senate, it doesn't matter who sits in the big office.

SamSpade
06-29-2012, 10:27 AM
If the R's take enough of the house and senate, it doesn't matter who sits in the big office.

Only with two thirds. Remember, any legislation passed by the House and Senate must be passed by the White House. Obama will veto a repeal of Obamacare. So it would have to be overridden by two-thirds of House and Senate. The GOP is not going to get THAT many seats.

So yeah, it needs Mitt.

ylexot
06-29-2012, 10:43 AM
His plan was state run/implemented, a philosophical difference for sure.

Legality-wise, Fed/State is different. Policy-wise, both are equally bad. To borrow a phrase, it is "bad medicine, it is bad policy". :peace:

ylexot
06-29-2012, 10:44 AM
And if Obama is re-elected, Obamacare is permanent. It never goes away. For as long as this republic stands.

...which may not be through a second term of Obama...

bcp
06-29-2012, 10:47 AM
...which may not be through a second term of Obama...

if he is re elected consider the country gone on that day.


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