Now that's stupid!

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Now that's stupid!

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How many was it rated for?

How many was it rated for?

Doesn't say, but common sense would dictate a lower number, maybe ten at the most.

Doesn't say, but common sense would dictate a lower number, maybe ten at the most.

My 21 footer was rated for 8.

27 people sounds like a lot for a boat that size.

But you know what? Not only the boat owner but all the passengers felt the need to take their chances. So hopefully they had a good time before they dumped over.

I'm surprised (or not) that the kids were the ones that died. #1, they should have been wearing life jackets; and #2, typically their adult(s) will see to them first.

How many was it rated for?

Article says maybe 10. It must have been really crowded and top heavy.

Article says maybe 10. It must have been really crowded and top heavy.

Especially if they mostly went over to one side.

Especially if they mostly went over to one side.

Not to downplay the event, but we used to 'play' like that in my sailboat that was pretty darn hard to capsize. I'd poke my buddy, give him a wink, and then say, "OH LOOK OVER THERE!" and lean to one side of the boat. Of course everyone else did too and got the mast to strike the water once... Never lost anyone overboard tho.

my 24 is rated 12.
no clue where you would put them, but I guess thats not the point.

My Uncle & Grandmother live across the street from one of the victims. They've been getting bombarded all day by reporters to give a statement. Apparently the 3 children were in the cabin when the boat suddenly started to sink. Life vests or not, they were trapped. But why the hell they felt the need to cram all those people on a boat that size, I'll never understand. My uncle thinks all the kids are related, my heart breaks for their family. :bawl:

According to one article I read, the boat was rated for 15 max.

This is just so sad. Sending out thoughts & prayers.

Driver is blaming it on a wave. Sounds like he had no idea what he was doing.
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Seems to me from my days taking the Captains course that he would have required a Captain's license to take that many out.

I just referenced my Chapmans. While it was not really a 'passenger for hire' cruise, he could be fined for it anyway due to a wording in the Commercial Operations section.

1. When the boat owner invites guests aboard and one or more of them brings a gift of food or drink to be used on the trip
2. Where the cruise guest takes the skipper ashore for dinner and entertainment.
3. Where during a cruise one of the guests aboard buys fuel, or some similar action.
4. If there is a pre-arranged plan or agreement in advance that the guests are to pay their proportionate share, or any specific amount, of the cruise expenses.

I can see where 1, 2 and 4 might apply, and if so, then it becomes a cruise for hire, and in that light, he now requires a Captain's License for more than 6 passengers.

so if you pay for some of the Fuel - now it is a boat for hire


:confused:

Driver is blaming it on a wave. Sounds like he had no idea what he was doing.
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Seems to me from my days taking the Captains course that he would have required a Captain's license to take that many out.

I just referenced my Chapmans. While it was not really a 'passenger for hire' cruise, he could be fined for it anyway due to a wording in the Commercial Operations section.

1. When the boat owner invites guests aboard and one or more of them brings a gift of food or drink to be used on the trip
2. Where the cruise guest takes the skipper ashore for dinner and entertainment.
3. Where during a cruise one of the guests aboard buys fuel, or some similar action.
4. If there is a pre-arranged plan or agreement in advance that the guests are to pay their proportionate share, or any specific amount, of the cruise expenses.

I can see where 1, 2 and 4 might apply, and if so, then it becomes a cruise for hire, and in that light, he now requires a Captain's License for more than 6 passengers.he should be fined for putting 27 people on a 34 foot boat. JFC how stupid can people be??? :faint:

he should be fined for putting 27 people on a 34 foot boat. JFC how stupid can people be??? :faint:

As we've discovered, you can't prosecute stupid, only the end result of the stupid actions.

As we've discovered, you can't prosecute stupid, only the end result of the stupid actions.reminds me of a dude last year who wanted to buy my Checkmate. He'd never owned or driven a boat in his life. He had a wife and two young kids. He got offended when I told him this was not a boat he wanted to start with.

Wanted to come down (he too was from NY) and have me spend 2 days on the water showing him the ropes. I told him no and he was pissed.

I will not facilitate stupidity. :lol:

Now that's stupid!

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Shark bait.


Bet the dead were not wearing a PFD!

reminds me of a dude last year who wanted to buy my Checkmate. He'd never owned or driven a boat in his life. He had a wife and two young kids. He got offended when I told him this was not a boat he wanted to start with.

Wanted to come down (he too was from NY) and have me spend 2 days on the water showing him the ropes. I told him no and he was pissed.

I will not facilitate stupidity. :lol:

Have you sold it yet?

reminds me of a dude last year who wanted to buy my Checkmate. He'd never owned or driven a boat in his life. He had a wife and two young kids. He got offended when I told him this was not a boat he wanted to start with.

Wanted to come down (he too was from NY) and have me spend 2 days on the water showing him the ropes. I told him no and he was pissed.

I will not facilitate stupidity. :lol:


That was a tough call: money in hand for a sure sale on an expensive and hard to sell boat vs. sanity.

I applaud you.:buddies:

Shark bait. Bet the dead were not wearing a PFD!You should read before you post. They were 3 kids stuck in the cabin. :duh:

Have you sold it yet?Yep. She's in Lake of the Ozarks, MO.

That was a tough call: money in hand for a sure sale on an expensive and hard to sell boat vs. sanity.

I applaud you.:buddies::lol: Thanks. I knew it would sell eventually.

You should read before you post. They were 3 kids stuck in the cabin. :duh:



Let me restate that.

"Crab bait".

Like kids do not need to wear PFD because they were in THE CABIN?

You bring your kid on a boat, kid wears a PFD!

Let me restate that.

"Crab bait".

Like kids do not need to wear PFD because they were in THE CABIN?

You bring your kid on a boat, kid wears a PFD!Ok I'm typing slow now......

THE KIDS WERE TRAPPED IN THE CABIN!!!

THE BOAT SANK IN 60 FEET OF WATER WITH THEM TRAPPED IN THE CABIN.

THEIR PFD's ONLY SERVED TO PIN THEM TO THE CEILING OF THE CABIN AS IT SANK.

Get it now?? :coffee:

Ok I'm typing slow now......

THE KIDS WERE TRAPPED IN THE CABIN!!!

THE BOAT SANK IN 60 FEET OF WATER WITH THEM TRAPPED IN THE CABIN.

THEIR PFD's ONLY SERVED TO PIN THEM TO THE CEILING OF THE CABIN AS IT SANK.

Get it now?? :coffee:

That, and the fact that they should never have been on that overloaded boat to begin with, PFDs aside.

Ok I'm typing slow now......

THE KIDS WERE TRAPPED IN THE CABIN!!!

THE BOAT SANK IN 60 FEET OF WATER WITH THEM TRAPPED IN THE CABIN.

THEIR PFD's ONLY SERVED TO PIN THEM TO THE CEILING OF THE CABIN AS IT SANK.

Get it now?? :coffee:



Kids were in the cabin, not the berth area. Please study the photos, they may help you understand the layout of the berths and the cabin. (http://www.boat-for-sale.info/2004-34-silverton-convertible/)
27 people on a 34' Silverton? Where do you cram 27 people?
Charts indicate 30'. (http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/07/06/nyregion/boat-capsizes-after-fireworks-show.html?ref=nyregion)
You "Get it now?"
And you do not need to yell, this is the internet and no one can hear you!

Thank You.

Kids were in the cabin, not the berth area. Please study the photos, they may help you understand the layout of the berths and the cabin. (http://www.boat-for-sale.info/2004-34-silverton-convertible/)
27 people on a 34' Silverton? Where do you cram 27 people?
Charts indicate 30'. (http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/07/06/nyregion/boat-capsizes-after-fireworks-show.html?ref=nyregion)
You "Get it now?"
And you do not need to yell, this is the internet and no one can hear you!

Thank You.Yes I need to yell because some people (you) are dense . I have owned cabin cruisers. Do you know WTF a cabin is?? It's like your living room. The berth is where you sleep. They were TRAPPED in the cabin!!!! Has nothing to do with the berthing area! JFC!! :banghead:

The FOX article said 60' of water.
Newsday reported that up to 27 people were aboard the 34-foot Silverton to watch the fireworks. The boat is resting in 60-to70-feet of water and authorities are working on its recovery.

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Wanted to come down (he too was from NY)

Was he drunk?
Did his name start with a "T"?

Was he drunk?
Did his name start with a "T"?:lmao: No, I would have sold it to Tommy!! He'd kill himself for sure.

Although he'd prolly kill some innocents too so I'd just lure him down here and have a deputy waiting with handcuffs. :yay:

My Uncle & Grandmother live across the street from one of the victims. They've been getting bombarded all day by reporters to give a statement. Apparently the 3 children were in the cabin when the boat suddenly started to sink. Life vests or not, they were trapped. But why the hell they felt the need to cram all those people on a boat that size, I'll never understand. My uncle thinks all the kids are related, my heart breaks for their family. :bawl:

Thanks for sharing that info; it sickened me when I heard about it.

Yes I need to yell because some people (you) are dense . I have owned cabin cruisers. Do you know WTF a cabin is?? It's like your living room. The berth is where you sleep. They were TRAPPED in the cabin!!!! Has nothing to do with the berthing area! JFC!! :banghead:

The FOX article said 60' of water.

Duh... I have been sailing for over 50 years and know stem from stern!
Did you even bother to look at the pictures of the cabin layout of the boat?
Where do you think most of the 27 people were?
look at the photos Pop and realize the kids could have escaped had they actually been in the cabin with some of the adults!

Yes I need to yell because some people (you) are dense . I have owned cabin cruisers. Do you know WTF a cabin is?? It's like your living room. The berth is where you sleep. They were TRAPPED in the cabin!!!! Has nothing to do with the berthing area! JFC!! :banghead:

The FOX article said 60' of water.

Did you look at the chart on the link I provided?
Location indicated 30' of water.
And you believe Fox? :killingme

Duh... I have been sailing for over 50 years and know stem from stern!
Did you even bother to look at the pictures of the cabin layout of the boat?
Where do you think most of the 27 people were?
look at the photos Pop and realize the kids could have escaped had they actually been in the cabin with some of the adults!Ahhhhh.... a sail boater. THAT explains your lack of comprehension (sorry GW). :lol:

I suggest you read the articles and see if you can figure out where they found the kids drowned at the bottom of the sound.

Ahhhhh.... a sail boater. THAT explains your lack of comprehension (sorry GW). :lol:


uh..... duh........ which way did he go, George? Which way did he go?

uh..... duh........ which way did he go, George? Which way did he go?Who luvs ya man? :buddies:

Thanks for sharing that info; it sickened me when I heard about it.

It's really so sad. I grew up there, boating in those same waters every weekend with my Dad and later on with friends as we got old enough to own our own boats. The reporters still won't leave these poor people alone, news van after news van continuously pulling up to their house. God, let them mourn the loss of their child in peace!

Even worse, this happened 7/4 and one of the victims would have turned 8 on 7/6. Instead of gathering for a birthday party, the loved ones had to gather for a funeral. :bawl:

The boat was clearly overcrowded and I can attest to the fact that once the fireworks end........tons of idiots make a mad dash to get outta there, causing ridiculously huge wakes. I still have to say that had that boat not been so packed with people, it probably wouldn't have tipped/sank and those innocent children would still be alive. As a parent, I wouldn't have gotten on the boat with my son. Clearly it was way too packed, it's basic common sense. So although I feel the boat owner really screwed up, I also feel everyone is responsible to protect their own kids.

Another one in the news, but with a better ending. 5 people in a 7 foot paddle boat at night 1/4 mile offshore capsized. 3 of the 5 were wearing PFDs, but still...way overloaded. And it was off Long Island again.

Maybe whatever is in the water that makes good bagels also makes people stupid.

I only allow a mximum of 10 persons total on our 32' Marinette...which is very similar in layout and size to the Silverton.

My guess is that the flybridge area was packed as full as possible with people as well as the forward cabin top and foredeck being loaded. A recipe for a very rapid capsize event.

THEIR PFD's ONLY SERVED TO PIN THEM TO THE CEILING OF THE CABIN AS IT SANK.

Get it now?? :coffee:

Just to be a dick, they would have been pinned to the deck. It capsized.


:evil:

:lol: Thanks. I knew it would sell eventually.

Certainly, it is up to you who you chose to sell your stuff to but, if you actually had concern for their safety, maybe it would have been better if you did sell it to them and charge the guy for your time to get him up to speed.

A. You know the boat.
B. You cared enough to be concerned that they were noob's
C. You'd know best his weakness's and where he'd get in trouble quickest until he gained experience.
D. If he's determined to get too much boat, whomever sells to him isn't gonna care.

You killed these people! :lol: :evil:

I only allow a mximum of 10 persons total on our 32' Marinette...which is very similar in layout and size to the Silverton.



And as long as you don't go out for more than 3 hours, you're good.

And as long as you don't go out for more than 3 hours, you're good.

:lol:

Just to be a dick, they would have been pinned to the deck. It capsized. :evil:
:killingme :buddies:


Certainly, it is up to you who you chose to sell your stuff to but, if you actually had concern for their safety, maybe it would have been better if you did sell it to them and charge the guy for your time to get him up to speed.

A. You know the boat.
B. You cared enough to be concerned that they were noob's
C. You'd know best his weakness's and where he'd get in trouble quickest until he gained experience.
D. If he's determined to get too much boat, whomever sells to him isn't gonna care.

You killed these people! :lol: :evil:Man you're on a roll!! :lmao:

He was so obnoxious I doubt I could spend 2 hours with him, let alone 2 days.

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He was so obnoxious I doubt I could spend 2 hours with him, let alone 2 days.

You left that little detail out. So, in reality, that's a great plan; let him find the guy who doesn't care = one less dick 'n spawn y'ah gotta worry about.

Brilliant.

:buddies:

And as long as you don't go out for more than 3 hours, you're good.

Yeah..I had to learn that the hard way. :killingme

Yeah..I had to learn that the hard way. :killingme

really? :tap:

and I thought you really cared .... :drama:


MaryAnn

really? :tap:

and I thought you really cared .... :drama:


MaryAnn

:killingme *busted* ..but Ginger was so pushy, I just couldn't..:whistle: