:jerry:

Obama’s Social Security Number challenged (http://www.wnd.com/2012/07/obamas-social-security-number-challenged/)

Hmmm, she is 70
we should start a poll
will she die suddenly from a heart attack?
a car accident?
Shot by someone she supposedly investigated 50 years ago
will she just wander off and have it explained as a senile senior moment?
Will a plane go down she is ridiing in?
Will she step into the street and be run down by a gaggle of Kenyans racing by on zebras?

How will it happen and when,,
1 weeK
1 month?

It will be interesting.

:roflmao:

He just needs to fess up and come clean. He has to know by now that he could shoot a toddler on live TV and half the country would STILL give him a second term. The Republicans do not have the nads to challenge his legitimacy at this point (if ever) and the Democrats sure as hell won't do it.

So what would happen, really, if Obama gave a press conference and told the world that he was indeed born in Kenya and is not a natural-born citizen? Not what we hope would happen, or what legally should happen, but what would *really* happen?

:jerry:

Obama’s Social Security Number challenged (http://www.wnd.com/2012/07/obamas-social-security-number-challenged/)

Too Funny. This 70 year old lady sounds interesting. Maybe Romney's new VP?

Interesting thought. If we were to see the dems begin to look in to a constitutional amendment I would get concerned. I believe that even if he admitted it, legal challenges over what the authors of the costitution meant would keep him in office until his term expired. After his term is over, we cannot undo history. And then, since precedent has been set.........................

Interesting thought. If we were to see the dems begin to look in to a constitutional amendment I would get concerned. I believe that even if he admitted it, legal challenges over what the authors of the costitution meant would keep him in office until his term expired. After his term is over, we cannot undo history. And then, since precedent has been set.........................

I dont agree, once it is proven that he is illegal, anything he signed would be open for immediate repeal.

And, he should find himself in a federal prison for life. then, an investigation of congress and maybe even the Supreme Ct should be started and anyone that is found to have known about his status should find themselves in the cell next to his for life.

A strong message has to be sent.

your assessment would happen.

We are not in a just world.

The only way this news takes hold (like deep throat or the Pentagon Papers) is the leader must appear to be vulnerable. There must be visible "chinks in the armor"...it takes great courage & sustained interest for a story to finally lead to an investigation to finally lead to action.

Please consider the painfully long investigation into Gun Walking & Holder's felonious non-cooperation. The Black caucus STOMPED on MLK's plea to put character above color. AND...although contempt HAS been approved (2x): who still shows up for work every morning? Felon Holder. (The MSM virtually ignored this huge indictiment, and the kenyan smilingly supports his favorite incompetant, Black Panther-loving racist gun runner.)
We live in a time where justice is NOT revered or upheld.

This condition has often led to violence. (Rodney King? OJ Simpson? Zimmerman?)

Obama & the MSM will snicker and the general public will be uninformed/disinterested...and some judge will blithly dismiss the case and...
Justice is NOT served again....I don't think we will be able to restore justice in our remaining years.

Since this just broke this morning, I am wondering how long it will be, if ever, that they MSM will pick this up, or be forced to respond to it.
BCP may be right, easier for her to just disappear Jimmy Hoffa style....

I dont agree, once it is proven that he is illegal, anything he signed would be open for immediate repeal.

And, he should find himself in a federal prison for life. then, an investigation of congress and maybe even the Supreme Ct should be started and anyone that is found to have known about his status should find themselves in the cell next to his for life.

A strong message has to be sent.

Okay, re-read my post. We're not talking about what we *wish* would happen, or what should *legally* happen. We're talking about what would *really* happen.

Obama will never be in prison for any reason, nor will Congress investigate themselves, nor will the Supremes investigate themselves or anyone else. Nor is Congress going to repeal any law Obama has signed.

I believe there would be a collective :yawn: and outrage in the streets that anyone would dare lie about Obama's citizenship, and force him to lie about it.

25% of the citizenry wouldn't believe it, even if it came from Obama's own mouth - they would say it was the Republicans forcing him; another 25% would say so what, and make the case that that pesky natural-born citizen thing is outdated and stupid; 40% would totally miss the story because they're too busy watching American Idol and only have a vague idea of who this Obama guy is in the first place; and 10% would care very much and demand Congress take action. Congress would lick their finger and stick it in the air, and go, "Meh...10%...#### 'em..." and that would be that.

Since this just broke this morning, I am wondering how long it will be, if ever, that they MSM will pick this up, or be forced to respond to it.
BCP may be right, easier for her to just disappear Jimmy Hoffa style....

She will not disappear. She will be Tripped. The media will eviscerate her and any family members they can get hold of, making up lies if they have to. She will receive death threats and have her home besieged by Leftist "protesters" with no SS in sight :smile:.

Her life will be destroyed and she will be very sorry she screwed with the machine.

I just can't believe this issue wont die.

I just can't believe this issue wont die.

If he'd just prve them wrong, it wouldn't be an issue.

Seems like she's got some legit concerns though.

I just can't believe this issue wont die.


I can.

If he'd just prve them wrong, it wouldn't be an issue.

Seems like she's got some legit concerns though.

In a court of law he wouldn't have to prove them wrong, they would have to prove themselves right. I don't think any less standard should apply here. Not one of these have held up in court as far as I know.

Interesting story.

I wonder where this mandatory in-person interview stuff comes from. I got my SSN when I was eleven years old. I didn't have to show up for a mandatory in-person interview.

I also wonder where, in the US or Ohio Constitutions, it says one has to have a correct SSN in order to be on the ballot. Heck, where, in the US or Ohio Constitutions, does it even mention SSN.

This is an interesting theory though. If she is able to prove her claim, it would mean more trouble for Obama than just being removed from the ballot in Ohio.

Interesting story.

I wonder where this mandatory in-person interview stuff comes from. I got my SSN when I was eleven years old. I didn't have to show up for a mandatory in-person interview.

I also wonder where, in the US or Ohio Constitutions, it says one has to have a correct SSN in order to be on the ballot. Heck, where, in the US or Ohio Constitutions, does it even mention SSN.

This is an interesting theory though. If she is able to prove her claim, it would mean more trouble for Obama than just being removed from the ballot in Ohio.

That is the one thing about this article that I thought didn't pass the BS test. None of my kids had to apply in person. However, they all did get numbers that had the same 3 number designation for Florida...

Important

Anyone age 12 or older requesting an original Social Security number card MUST appear for an interview at a Social Security office.

All documents must be either originals or copies certified by the issuing agency. We cannot accept photocopies or notarized copies of documents. We also cannot accept a receipt showing you applied for the document.

Get a certified copy of a document showing a birth, marriage or divorce that took place in the U.S.


Documents You Need for a Social Security Card (http://www.ssa.gov/ss5doc/ss5doctext.htm#o-us-adult)

When you apply for a SSN over the age of 12, you must provide proof of identity and citizenship.

Documents You Need for a Social Security Card (http://www.ssa.gov/ssnumber/ss5doc.htm)

Typically a SSN is assigned for a child at or right after birth - I filled out paperwork the day after my kids were born and the hospital people sent them in along with the application for birth certificates. A few weeks later I received their cards in the mail. This was at two different hospitals in two different states - an Army base in Georgia for the son, and the daughter was born in a civilian hospital in PA.

If Sri Obama does not have a US birth certificate, he would not have been able to obtain a legitimate SSN.

Thanks for the links.

Next question. Where, in the US or Ohio Constitutions, does it say one has to have a correct SSN in order to be on the ballot?

When you apply for a SSN over the age of 12, you must provide proof of identity and citizenship.

Documents You Need for a Social Security Card (http://www.ssa.gov/ssnumber/ss5doc.htm)

If Sri Obama does not have a US birth certificate, he would not have been able to obtain a legitimate SSN.

It depends on when the law changed. I, along with all my classmates, got my social security card in 10th grade as part of the civics class I was taking. We did not report in person, we simply filled out an application and mailed it in. That was 1967 however.

Thanks for the links.

Next question. Where, in the US or Ohio Constitutions, does it say one has to have a correct SSN in order to be on the ballot?

Well, vrai and I looked up the other stuff. Why don't you take this one for action? :wink:

Well, vrai and I looked up the other stuff. Why don't you take this one for action? :wink:

Okay.


Here are the Ohio candidacy forms for the primary and the general. The part where it asks for a SSN seems to be missing.


http://www.sos.state.oh.us/sos/upload/elections/forms/3-A.pdf

http://www.sos.state.oh.us/sos/upload/elections/forms/1-A.pdf


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Thanks for the links.

Next question. Where, in the US or Ohio Constitutions, does it say one has to have a correct SSN in order to be on the ballot?

Ohio Revised Code 2913.49 (A)
This is something I found. Doesn't pertain to balloting or elections, but rather ID theft. I imagine ID theft (using someone else's SSN) would be a crime that would disqualify one from being an elected official....don't know either way.

(A) As used in this section, “personal identifying information” includes, but is not limited to, the following: the name, address, telephone number, driver’s license, driver’s license number, commercial driver’s license, commercial driver’s license number, state identification card, state identification card number, social security card, social security number, birth certificate, place of employment, employee identification number, mother’s maiden name, demand deposit account number, savings account number, money market account number, mutual fund account number, other financial account number, personal identification number, password, or credit card number of a living or dead individual.

Also found this:

1. I contend that Mr. Obama and/or his representatives have committed Identity fraud under Ohio Revised Code 2913.49 (A). “(A) As used in this section, “personal identifying information” includes, but is not limited to, the following:… state identification card, state identification card number, social security card, social security number, birth certificate, place of employment, employee identification…

2. Concurrently, per the syllabus Secretary Husted prepared on October 18, 2011 (SYLLABUS: 2011-039) concerning the eligibility of a candidate to file with the Secretary of State for the office of the President under R.C. 3513.121(A) his candidacy therefore would be considered null and void until such time said candidate is able to legally verify his bona fide qualifications to hold federal office, including the office of President of the United States of America according to The United States Constitution, Article II, Section 1.
Ohio Obama ballot challenge - The Obama File (http://theobamafile.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=5793354)

:roflmao:

He just needs to fess up and come clean. He has to know by now that he could shoot a toddler on live TV and half the country would STILL give him a second term. The Republicans do not have the nads to challenge his legitimacy at this point (if ever) and the Democrats sure as hell won't do it.

So what would happen, really, if Obama gave a press conference and told the world that he was indeed born in Kenya and is not a natural-born citizen? Not what we hope would happen, or what legally should happen, but what would *really* happen?I think he would be impeached immediately and not even the Dems would challenge it.

Ohio Revised Code 2913.49 (A)
This is something I found. Doesn't pertain to balloting or elections, but rather ID theft. I imagine ID theft (using someone else's SSN) would be a crime that would disqualify one from being an elected official....don't know either way.

That is a possibility.

I think he would be impeached immediately and not even the Dems would challenge it.

In that case, he wouldn't need to be impeached and tried. He'd automatically be out and Biden would be sworn in.

Thanks for the links.

Next question. Where, in the US or Ohio Constitutions, does it say one has to have a correct SSN in order to be on the ballot?

You're splitting straws and missing the point.

Perhaps one does not need a valid SSN in order to hold elected office in any state or the entire country. However it does beg the question of why exactly Barack Obama is using an allegedly invalid number.

I have a theory, barring the possibility that he indeed is not a natural-born citizen:

His mother was this out there hippie nutter. It's possible that she did not believe in assigning numbers to her spawn so they could be tracked by The Man. So maybe she did not register his birth with the state, nor did she apply for a SSN for him. I'm not sure how it worked back then, I just know what I did in the early-mid 80s with my kids. It's possible that he was born in a commune without the benefit of hospitals and their pesky paperwork.

Politicians by their nature are lying deceitful scoundrels who are completely out of touch with reality. We saw Bill Clinton lie his face off when the truth would have been accepted as no horribly big deal. Obama would have done himself a favor by just coming clean in the beginning, rather than dance and snark.

Or the Manchurians should have gotten themselves a legitimate American clean black guy.

You're splitting straws and missing the point.

I'm not missing the point at all. We can talk theories all day long. The fact is this is Susan Daniels has filed a law suit. In order for it to amount to anything, she has to have standing, which she does. It must also have a legal basis. Theories don't give it legal basis. Since Susan Daniels is using the claim of a bad SSN as the basis of her law suite, she has to prove that it's a fake. Then she has to prove that the election laws require a candidate be thrown off the ballot because of a fake SSN.

His mother was this out there hippie nutter. It's possible that she did not believe in assigning numbers to her spawn so they could be tracked by The Man. So maybe she did not register his birth with the state, nor did she apply for a SSN for him. I'm not sure how it worked back then, I just know what I did in the early-mid 80s with my kids. It's possible that he was born in a commune without the benefit of hospitals and their pesky paperwork.

It was different back then. I didn't get a SSN until I was 11. My daughter was born in the mid 80s and we got here an SSN shortly after she was born. By the time my boys were born (90s) the SSN paperwork was done and submitted before they came home from the hospital.

Then she has to prove that the election laws require a candidate be thrown off the ballot because of a fake SSN.

Social Security fraud is a felony.

Social Security Act §1107 (http://www.ssa.gov/OP_Home/ssact/title11/1107.htm)

It's unlikely a convicted felon would be allowed to continue his presidency.

Social Security fraud is a felony.

Social Security Act §1107 (http://www.ssa.gov/OP_Home/ssact/title11/1107.htm)

It's unlikely a convicted felon would be allowed to continue his presidency.


There you go. If Mrs. Daniels can prove the SSN is a fraud, it's curtains.

Another question. What if the SSN is bogus but it was the mother who did it (got the bogus SSN)? And what if young Barry didn't know it was bogus? He was 15 at the time right? It would be the mom's criminal wrong doing wouldn't it?

Another question. What if the SSN is bogus but it was the mother who did it (got the bogus SSN)? And what if young Barry didn't know it was bogus? He was 15 at the time right? It would be the mom's criminal wrong doing wouldn't it?

Certainly he did not acquire a SSN at age 15 on his own. Probably the grandparents, since the mom was never around.

If in fact Obama's SSN is bogus and he didn't realize it when he got to be an adult, then he is too stupid to go outside without a helmet, let alone be President. The first three digits of your SSN is an area number and denotes the geographical region in which you lived when you applied for your number. It is highly unlikely that Hawaiian Obama would have received a number designated for CT or anywhere else on the East Coast.

Employer Filing Instructions & Information - Social Security Number Allocations (http://www.ssa.gov/employer/stateweb.htm)

What else ya got?

Certainly he did not acquire a SSN at age 15 on his own. Probably the grandparents, since the mom was never around.

If in fact Obama's SSN is bogus and he didn't realize it when he got to be an adult, then he is too stupid to go outside without a helmet, let alone be President. The first three digits of your SSN is an area number and denotes the geographical region in which you lived when you applied for your number. It is highly unlikely that Hawaiian Obama would have received a number designated for CT or anywhere else on the East Coast.


So, when he turned 18, he was supposed to automatically know that the first three digits of his SSN is an area number? Every new 18 year old is supposed to review the SSA code to make sure their SSN is correct? I guess they should do that as soon as they get home from registering for the draft on their 18th birthday. Both of my boys were born in the same exact room. The first three digits of their SSNs are different. My oldest boy turns 18 in 2014. I'll wait and see if a light bulb goes off in his head, on his 18th birthday, telling him to go have his SSN verified.

So, when he turned 18, he was supposed to automatically know that the first three digits of his SSN is an area number? Every new 18 year old is supposed to review the SSA code to make sure their SSN is correct? I guess they should do that as soon as they get home from registering for the draft on their 18th birthday. Both of my boys were born in the same exact room. The first three digits of their SSNs are different. My oldest boy turns 18 in 2014. I'll wait and see if a light bulb goes off in his head, on his 18th birthday, telling him to go have his SSN verified.

I see a lot of ssn's, and they don't always follow suit, either.

I see a lot of ssn's, and they don't always follow suit, either.

Yea. I'm just wondering why young Barry would wake up one morning and say, "Hey, I'm going down to the local SSA office to have my SSN verified just in case Mom or Grandma got me a bogus SSN."

Certainly he did not acquire a SSN at age 15 on his own. Probably the grandparents, since the mom was never around.

If in fact Obama's SSN is bogus and he didn't realize it when he got to be an adult, then he is too stupid to go outside without a helmet, let alone be President. The first three digits of your SSN is an area number and denotes the geographical region in which you lived when you applied for your number. It is highly unlikely that Hawaiian Obama would have received a number designated for CT or anywhere else on the East Coast.

Employer Filing Instructions & Information - Social Security Number Allocations (http://www.ssa.gov/employer/stateweb.htm)

What else ya got?
I can't say that I've really thought much about my number after about the first 10 minutes.

regarding MULTIPLE ssns.

Remember he was hanging with his doobie brothers in Hawaii and paperwork is for losers...Then off to college (?) and his morphing Indonesian/kenyan/Hawaiian identity...helps get freebie scholarships & he's not paying any income tax (why need a ssn?)...thus: the number is irrelevant.

It is very possible he wrote whatever # was in his head when he applied for his first loan, or his first apt.

Now it comes back to haunt him...oops.
A mea culpa confessing the failure of his mother, his mentor(s), his colleges can easily explain the confusing ssn..........and he gets off scot-free again.
And off he skips to run for POTUS again.

So, when he turned 18, he was supposed to automatically know that the first three digits of his SSN is an area number?

I knew that before I was 18. But I had also been doing payroll prior to that, and I believe at some point someone informed me of what the first three numbers meant. I ASSumed that it was common knowledge. However, it would seem to me that someone would have thought it odd, or at least interesting, prior to what's her name investigating it.

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:popcorn:

I knew that before I was 18. But I had also been doing payroll prior to that, and I believe at some point someone informed me of what the first three numbers meant. I ASSumed that it was common knowledge. However, it would seem to me that someone would have thought it odd, or at least interesting, prior to what's her name investigating it.

I have to agree with that. Loan company or some govt agency would seen a red flag. "Hey, Duplicate SSN." Apparently, it hasn't happened. Which further supports the notion that Obama hasn't been aware of it either. So, I wonder if Mrs. Daniels based her investigation on Obama's actual SSN, the one he uses. Or, did she use an SSN that she thinks is Obama's. I'm not sure that SSNs, even Obama's, are public info.

I have to agree with that. Loan company or some govt agency would seen a red flag. "Hey, Duplicate SSN." Apparently, it hasn't happened. Which further supports the notion that Obama hasn't been aware of it either. So, I wonder if Mrs. Daniels based her investigation on Obama's actual SSN, the one he uses. Or, did she use an SSN that she thinks is Obama's. I'm not sure that SSNs, even Obama's, are public info.

this has been a rumor floating around for a couple years now, no doubt those rumors are what caused her to investigate in the first place.
Chances are someone got the number wrong in the first place and obama is just kicking back laughing about a non issue taking the spotlight off of his real incompetence.