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Odessa78
07-06-2012, 01:33 PM
wealthy Hispanic executive who makes a fortune dealing with the Hispanic market is on the march to eradicate the term “illegal immigrant.” Charles Patrick Garcia, writing on the CNN website, lauds the U.S. Supreme Court for eschewing the use of “illegal immigrant” and instead utilizing the term “removable alien.” Garcia writes:


The court's nonjudgmental language established a humanistic approach to our current restructuring of immigration policy.


When you label someone an "illegal alien" or "illegal immigrant" or just plain "illegal," you are effectively saying the individual, as opposed to the actions the person has taken, is unlawful. The terms imply the very existence of an unauthorized migrant in America is criminal. In this country, there is still a presumption of innocence that requires a jury to convict someone of a crime. If you don't pay your taxes, are you an illegal? What if you get a speeding ticket? A murder conviction? No. You're still not an illegal. Even alleged terrorists and child molesters aren't labeled illegals.




Rich Hispanic Exec Wants to Eradicate The Term (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/07/05/exec-wants-term-illegal-immigrant-expunged)

Vince
07-06-2012, 01:37 PM
Mr. Garcia is a good reason for planned parenthood. He should have been unplanned.

Tilted
07-06-2012, 01:50 PM
wealthy Hispanic executive who makes a fortune dealing with the Hispanic market is on the march to eradicate the term “illegal immigrant.” Charles Patrick Garcia, writing on the CNN website, lauds the U.S. Supreme Court for eschewing the use of “illegal immigrant” and instead utilizing the term “removable alien.” Garcia writes:


The court's nonjudgmental language established a humanistic approach to our current restructuring of immigration policy.


When you label someone an "illegal alien" or "illegal immigrant" or just plain "illegal," you are effectively saying the individual, as opposed to the actions the person has taken, is unlawful. The terms imply the very existence of an unauthorized migrant in America is criminal. In this country, there is still a presumption of innocence that requires a jury to convict someone of a crime. If you don't pay your taxes, are you an illegal? What if you get a speeding ticket? A murder conviction? No. You're still not an illegal. Even alleged terrorists and child molesters aren't labeled illegals.




Rich Hispanic Exec Wants to Eradicate The Term (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/07/05/exec-wants-term-illegal-immigrant-expunged)

The adjective illegal is modifying the noun immigrant, not the noun person. The term immigrant is itself referring to a specific aspect of the person's existence. In such cases, that aspect of their existence is, indeed, illegal. The term illegal immigrant is, in at least many cases, quite appropriate. One might argue that there are better terms that could be used - ones that are more accurately descriptive, e.g. illegal alien or unauthorized alien - but illegal immigrant seems fair enough to me (though some people do seem mislead about what illegal does and does not mean).

It would be like saying 'illegal shopper' rather than 'illegal person' to refer to a thief. The latter might not be appropriate (or maybe it is), but the former would seem to be. Their personhood may not be illegal, but their way of shopping sure is.

PJumper
07-06-2012, 02:04 PM
Mr. Garcia is a good reason for planned parenthood. He should have been unplanned.

Hearing peolple like him makes me a supporter of abortion, that is retroactive.

bcp
07-06-2012, 02:14 PM
if they are removable, would it not seem to reason that we can remove them without any questions?


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