‘Dark Knight’ Shooting To Be Exploited For Political Grist (http://www.infowars.com/dark-knight-shooting-to-be-exploited-for-political-grist/)

Second amendment, ‘conspiracy theorists’ to be blamed for incident

Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
Friday, July 20, 2012

UPDATE: As we predicted, within hours of posting this story, political opportunists like Mayor Bloomberg seized upon the tragedy (http://www.infowars.com/death-obsessed-culture-not-gun-rights-to-blame-for-batman-shooting/) to push for gun control.

UPDATE: Dark Knight Massacre To Pass UN Gun Ban? [see video below]



Within hours of the tragic shooting in Aurora, Colorado at a screening of the new Batman movie, the political machine is already gearing up to exploit the incident as a tool to demonize the second amendment and characterize Americans who are against big government as extremists.

A 6ft tall man dressed in black body armor and wearing a gas mask burst through an emergency exit door at the theater during a midnight screening of ‘The Dark Knight Rises’ Batman movie, before making his way up the stairs and shooting people at random, according to reports.

The man also apparently set off a smoke or tear gas bomb, killing at least 14 people and injuring dozens more.

The gunman was arrested and early reports suggested an accomplice was still on the run, but police now say there was only one shooter.

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Observers following news reports about the incident have already noticed that the tragedy is being exploited to demonize Americans suspicious of federal authority – noting that the villain in ‘The Dark Knight Rises’ is an anti-establishment character.

“They’re claiming that since the villain in the movie was “rising up” against authorities that’s what this guy may have been doing,” writes Brandon Nolley.

Others fear that the shooter will be labeled a “conspiracy theorist” and used to portray so-called “truthers” as violent extremists.

“I have a feeling he’s going to be a “extremist” with “Conspiracy theorist” views, may be he even saw Alex’s review of the movie,” writes Evan Munn. “They are going to parade out the children’s bodies like OKC.”

Others note that the mass shooting coincides with a UN arms treaty that threatens to grease the skids for a total gun ban in the United States. It’s inevitable that the event will be used to demonize the second amendment.


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This thing stinks to high heaven. Miles from columbine, a week before Obama is set to sign the UN small arms treaty a guy in a disguise shows up and starts blasting!
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I'm still kind of pissed that ABC did such a ridiculous job on finding Jim Holmes and handing out idle speculation as "news". They found, in a city that has something like 30 Jim Holmes, one that was a 50 something Hispanic member of the Tea Party.

Let's not forget that the Tucson shooting was also speculated to be Tea Party in origin. And Fort Hood. Seriously, what exactly have these people DONE to have people speculating they'd go around shooting random people?

ABC needs to do more than just retract - they need to apologize to JIM HOLMES. On national TV, with no data at all, they suggested he was a murderer.

I'd like to think they've learned their lesson, but it's not going to happen.

I'd like to think they've learned their lesson, but it's not going to happen.




NO ...


Conservatives / Tea Party - are for GUN Ownership, so it has to the their fault
it is not the fault of the sociopath ........ nope never, only that he was able to get a weapon and shoot people .....

Guns do not kill People, People Kill People - where they don't have guns, people run amok in downtown Tokyo with Samurai swords chasing people


:popcorn:


Dunblane school massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_massacre)


The Dunblane school massacre occurred at Dunblane Primary School in the Scottish town of Dunblane on 13 March 1996. The gunman, 43-year-old Thomas Hamilton, entered the school armed with four handguns, shooting and killing sixteen children and one adult before committing suicide. Along with the 1987 Hungerford massacre and the 2010 Cumbria shootings, it remains one of the worst criminal acts involving firearms in the history of the United Kingdom.

Public debate subsequent to these events centred on gun-control laws, including media-driven public petitions calling for a ban on private ownership of handguns and an official enquiry, the Cullen Report. In response to this debate, the Firearms (Amendment) Act 1997 and the Firearms (Amendment) (No. 2) Act 1997 were enacted, which effectively made private ownership of handguns illegal in the United Kingdom.


Dunblane cost an entire nation the right to own Hand Guns ....

NO ...


Conservatives / Tea Party - are for GUN Ownership, so it has to the their fault


Several commentators and pundits have, at least, made this observation - there's really nothing that could be done.

Nothing could have stopped this guy - he planned it carefully. He didn't just "snap" and go off half-cocked. By latest reports, he may have booby-trapped his home. He was nuts.

Nothing he did would have been stopped by passing anti-gun laws. How many people have gas masks and tear gas?

nope .....

...... not like Gifford's shooter who was obviously having issues


but at what point does 'The System' intrude into someones life and drag them in for an evaluation ?


how many of us suddenly drug in before some psych review board wouldn't freak out and be indistinguishable from someone with real issues ....

... I always heard, never let them get a hold of you

I'd like to think they've learned their lesson, but it's not going to happen.

They have learn their lesson and that is that they can get way with it. Even more so with stupid shield laws.

Actually, if written material can inspire revolutions and so can video, why so much focus on guns. I think Madison Ave and Hollywood do more damage than guns do.

You're worried about this being exploited for political reasons, ETC, yet you post a thread suggesting that the terrorist was there to kill conservatives?

Does everyone (conservative or liberal) live in such a narrow political world that they believe everyone on the other side is pure evil and everyone is out to get them and that EVERYTHING is political?

The gun control stuff and endless speculation is on my nerves.

NO ...


Conservatives / Tea Party - are for GUN Ownership, so it has to the their fault
it is not the fault of the sociopath ........ nope never, only that he was able to get a weapon and shoot people .....

Guns do not kill People, People Kill People - where they don't have guns, people run amok in downtown Tokyo with Samurai swords chasing people


:popcorn:


Dunblane cost an entire nation the right to own Hand Guns ....

Obviously gun control would not have stopped this guy.

Whole story can be found here:

The Bath School Disaster: Text & Pictures (http://daggy.name/tbsd/tbsd-x.htm)



Bath School disaster - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster)

The Bath School disaster is the name given to three bombings in Bath Township, Michigan, on May 18, 1927, which killed 38 elementary school children, two teachers, four other adults and the bomber himself; at least 58 people were injured. Most of the victims were children in the second to sixth grades (7–14 years of age [1]) attending the Bath Consolidated School. Their deaths constitute the deadliest mass murder in a school in U.S. history.

The bomber was school board treasurer Andrew Kehoe, 55, who was ostensibly enraged about a property tax levied to fund the construction of the school building. He blamed the additional tax for financial hardships which led to foreclosure proceedings against his farm. These events apparently provoked Kehoe to plan his attack. He died in a car bomb he set off after he drove up to the school as the crowd gathered to rescue survivors from the burning school.

On the morning of May 18, Kehoe murdered his wife by beating her to death, then set his farm buildings afire. As fire fighters arrived at the farm, an explosion devastated the north wing of the school building, killing many schoolchildren. He used a detonator to ignite dynamite and hundreds of pounds of pyrotol which he had secretly planted inside the school over the course of many months. As rescuers started gathering at the school, Kehoe drove up, stopped, and detonated a bomb inside his shrapnel-filled vehicle with his Winchester rifle, killing himself and the school superintendent, and killing and injuring several others. During rescue efforts searchers discovered an additional 500 pounds (230 kg) of unexploded dynamite and pyrotol planted throughout the basement of the school's south wing. Kehoe apparently had intended to blow up and destroy the whole school.

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NO ...


Conservatives / Tea Party - are for GUN Ownership, so it has to the their fault
it is not the fault of the sociopath ........ nope never, only that he was able to get a weapon and shoot people .....

Guns do not kill People, People Kill People - where they don't have guns, people run amok in downtown Tokyo with Samurai swords chasing people


:popcorn:


Dunblane cost an entire nation the right to own Hand Guns ....

Obviously gun control would not have stopped this guy.

Whole story can be found here:

The Bath School Disaster: Text & Pictures (http://daggy.name/tbsd/tbsd-x.htm)



Bath School disaster - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster)

The Bath School disaster is the name given to three bombings in Bath Township, Michigan, on May 18, 1927, which killed 38 elementary school children, two teachers, four other adults and the bomber himself; at least 58 people were injured. Most of the victims were children in the second to sixth grades (7–14 years of age [1]) attending the Bath Consolidated School. Their deaths constitute the deadliest mass murder in a school in U.S. history.

The bomber was school board treasurer Andrew Kehoe, 55, who was ostensibly enraged about a property tax levied to fund the construction of the school building. He blamed the additional tax for financial hardships which led to foreclosure proceedings against his farm. These events apparently provoked Kehoe to plan his attack. He died in a car bomb he set off after he drove up to the school as the crowd gathered to rescue survivors from the burning school.

On the morning of May 18, Kehoe murdered his wife by beating her to death, then set his farm buildings afire. As fire fighters arrived at the farm, an explosion devastated the north wing of the school building, killing many schoolchildren. He used a detonator to ignite dynamite and hundreds of pounds of pyrotol which he had secretly planted inside the school over the course of many months. As rescuers started gathering at the school, Kehoe drove up, stopped, and detonated a bomb inside his shrapnel-filled vehicle with his Winchester rifle, killing himself and the school superintendent, and killing and injuring several others. During rescue efforts searchers discovered an additional 500 pounds (230 kg) of unexploded dynamite and pyrotol planted throughout the basement of the school's south wing. Kehoe apparently had intended to blow up and destroy the whole school.

I am a second amendment supporter, but you are doing us no favors in trying to twist this event into a reason against gun control.

Just so you understand, this guy did his killing with guns. Unless we find out the shooter obtained these illegally this is going to be the poster child of the anti gun crowd. Currently they are reporting that he legally obtain the 4 firearms he carried in the 60 days prior to the incident.

You're worried about this being exploited for political reasons, ETC, yet you post a thread suggesting that the terrorist was there to kill conservatives?

Does everyone (conservative or liberal) live in such a narrow political world that they believe everyone on the other side is pure evil and everyone is out to get them and that EVERYTHING is political?

The gun control stuff and endless speculation is on my nerves.

Not one of us even knows the motive of this shooting. He killed children for crying out loud. What sort of political motivation was there in that? I am fed up with any side of politics claiming this is some sort of opportunity to accuse the other side of being behind such a horrible thing.

I am certain about this though... the left will use this as more ammo (pun intended) to support further gun control. They will go after internet sales of ammo and other military-style equipment. More restrictions will go into the purchasing of firearms.

I will say this, I understand CO has some pretty strict laws for purchasing, owning, and carrying firearms. Not one of these resulted in stopping this disaster. I would argue such restrictions made it easier for it to happen.

I am a second amendment supporter, but you are doing us no favors in trying to twist this event into a reason against gun control.

Just so you understand, this guy did his killing with guns. Unless we find out the shooter obtained these illegally this is going to be the poster child of the anti gun crowd. Currently they are reporting that he legally obtain the 4 firearms he carried in the 60 days prior to the incident.

Okay, so he obtained them legally. There are currently pretty strict gun control laws already in place in CO. How did these restrictions stop this from happening? How will future more oppressive restrictions prevent this kind of thing from happening again?

Haven’t you figured it out? The harder they make it to buy and own guns the easier it is for this sort of thing to happen?

You're worried about this being exploited for political reasons, ETC, yet you post a thread suggesting that the terrorist was there to kill conservatives?





I asked a question ...


.... sounds kinda ridiculous to suggest he was there to shoot conservatives - but there ya go ..........

... Gifford's shooter was originally attributed to the Tea Party by :cds: from the left ....

I asked a question ...


.... sounds kinda ridiculous to suggest he was there to shoot conservatives - but there ya go ..........

... Gifford's shooter was originally attributed to the Tea Party by :cds: from the left ....

From the left? Or from ONE idiot at ABC News which nobody watches?

Not one of us even knows the motive of this shooting. He killed children for crying out loud. What sort of political motivation was there in that? I am fed up with any side of politics claiming this is some sort of opportunity to accuse the other side of being behind such a horrible thing.

I am certain about this though... the left will use this as more ammo (pun intended) to support further gun control. They will go after internet sales of ammo and other military-style equipment. More restrictions will go into the purchasing of firearms.

I will say this, I understand CO has some pretty strict laws for purchasing, owning, and carrying firearms. Not one of these resulted in stopping this disaster. I would argue such restrictions made it easier for it to happen.

Exactly... nobody knows the motives of this shooter. But for people on the left AND the right to keep speculating, and speculate about it being political... that gets on my nerves. I understand what ABC News did, but for the entire blogosphere to start saying "He was a Democrat" with no proof, for the sole reason of retaliation -- two wrongs don't make a right. I'm a liberal Independent and I don't appreciate someone trying to paint me out to be a mass murderer because of the actions of one deranged psychopath.

And, the restrictions did not make a difference one way or the other. All the guns and ammo were purchased legally.

I'm not calling for any gun bans, but I do question why anyone would need multiple high powered automatic rifles that are designed to kill every mother####er within a 500 foot radius.

I need 250 grenades to protect myself and my home from the zombie apocalypse. I also need a few thermonuclear devices to protect myself against Iran.

That said, I don't need an AK-47 so I don't go out and buy one.... I'm certainly not saying they should be banned because it goes against my beliefs.

From the left? Or from ONE idiot at ABC News which nobody watches?

Tea Party? I have no idea how many - most immediately called him right-wing.

Or the one that every liberal outlet came up with -

Sarah Palin's target on Gifford's district provoked the assault. You know, by the crazy anti-Bush, 9/11 conspiracy nut Jared Lee Loughner, whose favorite books included the Communist Manifesto and Mein Kampf?

Which of course was found to be utterly groundless, and not based on a shred of actual fact or investigative work. This is what journalism has become. People making stuff up.

Tea Party? I have no idea how many - most immediately called him right-wing.

Or the one that every liberal outlet came up with -

Sarah Palin's target on Gifford's district provoked the assault. You know, by the crazy anti-Bush, 9/11 conspiracy nut Jared Lee Loughner, whose favorite books included the Communist Manifesto and Mein Kampf?

Which of course was found to be utterly groundless, and not based on a shred of actual fact or investigative work. This is what journalism has become. People making stuff up.



I also remember, within hours of that shooting, people were also looking for evidence that Loughner was a pro-Obama Democrat. Do you REALLY only believe one side does this?

You're trying to pick a fight where there isn't one

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I am a second amendment supporter, but you are doing us no favors in trying to twist this event into a reason against gun control.

Just so you understand, this guy did his killing with guns. Unless we find out the shooter obtained these illegally this is going to be the poster child of the anti gun crowd. Currently they are reporting that he legally obtain the 4 firearms he carried in the 60 days prior to the incident.

Okay, so he obtained them legally. There are currently pretty strict gun control laws already in place in CO. How did these restrictions stop this from happening? How will future more oppressive restrictions prevent this kind of thing from happening again?

Haven’t you figured it out? The harder they make it to buy and own guns the easier it is for this sort of thing to happen?

You really have gone all spin lately.....


Colorado gun laws aren't all that restrictive:
http://www.colorado.gov/cs/Satellite/StatePatrol-Main/CBON/1251594549010

You can carry I your car or on your person if it is not concealed. Their concealed permit doesn't seem all that tough to get and they have recipriciocity with all other states that issue concealed.

I'm not calling for any gun bans, but I do question why anyone would need multiple high powered automatic rifles that are designed to kill every mother####er within a 500 foot radius.



A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.


does not say anything about sporting, or hunting or target shooting .....

the 2nd A was about having the same weapons the gov. has to protect against oppression from the Same .....


THE UNABRIDGED SECOND AMENDMENT (http://www.urbin.net/EWW/polyticks/RKBA/2ndengl.html)

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.


does not say anything about sporting, or hunting or target shooting .....

the 2nd A was about having the same weapons the gov. has to protect against oppression from the Same .....

You must've missed what I said about about not wanting to ban guns.

But, the government has access to grenades and thermonuclear devices as well... using this logic, I should also have access to them, you know, to protect my home from a zombie apocalypse. :yay:

You must've missed what I said about about not wanting to ban guns.

But, the government has access to grenades and thermonuclear devices as well... using this logic, I should also have access to them, you know, to protect my home from a zombie apocalypse. :yay:

No I did Not ........ repeating for the class

can you afford an Atomic Weapon ....

.... I did not think so

Feel free to play with all the hand grenades you can purchase ....... just remember - don't throw like a Pussy, and duck .......


you really Obtuse ..........

No I did Not ........ repeating for the class

can you afford an Atomic Weapon ....

.... I did not think so

Feel free to play with all the hand grenades you can purchase ....... just remember - don't throw like a Pussy, and duck .......


you really Obtuse ..........

I'm being obtuse for a reason, and I do believe I made my point. :lol:

You really have gone all spin lately.....


Colorado gun laws aren't all that restrictive:
Colorado State Patrol - Colorado Gun Laws (http://www.colorado.gov/cs/Satellite/StatePatrol-Main/CBON/1251594549010)

You can carry I your car or on your person if it is not concealed. Their concealed permit doesn't seem all that tough to get and they have recipriciocity with all other states that issue concealed.

Of course I’m all spin… because it differs from your opinion. As compared to a state like TX, CO has strict permit laws. It all depends on how you view current gun laws. I happen to think most do nothing to prevent crime; to the contrary I believe they make it easier for criminals to commit crimes.

I wasn’t talking about conceal carry permits. Even if that were a factor it wouldn’t have mattered; it would not have stopped Holmes from doing this. We don’t know if Holmes even had a permit for conceal carry.

I want to know if you're suggesting that more strict laws need to be implemented to prevent these crimes?

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You really have gone all spin lately.....


Colorado gun laws aren't all that restrictive:
Colorado State Patrol - Colorado Gun Laws (http://www.colorado.gov/cs/Satellite/StatePatrol-Main/CBON/1251594549010)

You can carry I your car or on your person if it is not concealed. Their concealed permit doesn't seem all that tough to get and they have recipriciocity with all other states that issue concealed.

Of course I’m all spin… because it differs from your opinion. As compared to a state like TX, CO has strict permit laws. It all depends on how you view current gun laws. I happen to think most do nothing to prevent crime; to the contrary I believe they make it easier for criminals to commit crimes.

I wasn’t talking about conceal carry permits. Even if that were a factor it wouldn’t have mattered; it would not have stopped Holmes from doing this. We don’t know if Holmes even had a permit for conceal carry.

I want to know if you're suggesting that more strict laws need to be implemented to prevent these crimes?

What I am suggesting is that this incident is not a good example to be used to try to argue against the gun control folks. There is no way that Colorados gun restrictions played a part in allowing this to happen. To argue such just makes us, responsible gun owners, look kooky.

What I am suggesting is that this incident is not a good example to be used to try to argue against the gun control folks. There is no way that Colorados gun restrictions played a part in allowing this to happen. To argue such just makes us, responsible gun owners, look kooky.

I’m not suggesting CO’s gun control laws played a part in allowing this to happen. I’m saying that all of the gun control laws that we DO have do nothing to prevent it.

What I’m suggesting is that making more laws – as I expect gun control advocates will argue for – will not result in preventing these crimes in the future.

In reality, as bad as this whole thing sounds, it’s very rare. It’s only by the media exploiting it that it’s a big deal. I’m not suggesting it isn’t a big deal; but I am suggesting that this is what we come to expect from our news – to take everything that happens in this world and use it for political purposes.

This event is simply an example of the moral decline of our society; not a lack of gun control laws. As long as we ignore the underlying reasons people act out this way, we will see more and more of it.