Just heard an ad for Leonardtown Ford. Buy an F-150 and get a John Deere riding mower.


:confused: Just give me the cash equivalent off the price of the truck, nevermind the gimmicks....

Just heard an ad for Leonardtown Ford. Buy an F-150 and get a John Deere riding mower.

:confused: Just give me the cash equivalent off the price of the truck, nevermind the gimmicks....
Hey now!!! I'm in the market! Stopped by there Sunday. They have the one I want but I'm not fond of the color. $48K+ :faint:

Hey now!!! I'm in the market! Stopped by there Sunday. They have the one I want but I'm not fond of the color. $48K+ :faint:

The F-150 Eco-Boost is pretty cool.

They have the one I want but I'm not fond of the color. $48K+ :faint:




if your not fond of the color, are you really going to pay 50,000


what is that after interest $ 70 k on a 5 yr loan

Just heard an ad for Leonardtown Ford. Buy an F-150 and get a John Deere riding mower.


:confused: Just give me the cash equivalent off the price of the truck, nevermind the gimmicks....

Gimmicks work. I've never personally understood it, but I've worked with enough dealerships over the years and every single one of them has told me that these sort of silly incentives do indeed increase sales. It's like JPC raising their prices back up so people can be motivated by the word "sale".

We're a nation of idiots.

Gimmicks work. I've never personally understood it, but I've worked with enough dealerships over the years and every single one of them has told me that these sort of silly incentives do indeed increase sales. It's like JPC raising their prices back up so people can be motivated by the word "sale".

We're a nation of idiots.

Yeah, I do understand that. But they never offer anything I need or want!!

And I hope you meant JCP.... JPC doesn't have a clue about finances. :lol:

if your not fond of the color, are you really going to pay 50,000

what is that after interest $ 70 k on a 5 yr loanHold on Charlie! I didn't say I was gonna buy it. In fact I prolly won't (unless they make one hell of a deal). :lol:

I also would only finance about half. Ford may have a 0% or .9% financing available.

The F-150 Eco-Boost is pretty cool.What is it?

Gimmicks work. .

There it is.


They do this stuff for a reason. "But, wait! There's more!!! You get ALL of this and, AND a free NEW! shiny thing for free! FREE! NEW! All you pay is shipping and handling of $9 million!"

"But wait..."

What is it?

A 'free' NEW shiny thing.

A 'free' NEW shiny thing.:lol:

A 'free' NEW shiny thing.

I like shiny things :biggrin:

I like shiny things :biggrin:

Yes, we are.


:lol:

The F-150 Eco-Boost is pretty cool.

I haven't dug into it, but just recently one of my car guys who's also a Ford Truck guy mentioned that the EB trucks were seeing some issues. No further details, but I could investigate if you want.

I haven't dug into it, but just recently one of my car guys who's also a Ford Truck guy mentioned that the EB trucks were seeing some issues. No further details, but I could investigate if you want.

The warranty on Shiny New Things, SNT's, is 30 months or 30 feet. Whichever comes first.

I haven't dug into it, but just recently one of my car guys who's also a Ford Truck guy mentioned that the EB trucks were seeing some issues. No further details, but I could investigate if you want.I researched....

To prove just how tough the available new F-150 EcoBoost engine is, we ran it through a punishing gauntlet of challenges called the F-150 EcoBoost Torture Test. We froze it, fried it, and even ran Baja with it. The engineers tore the engine down to find that the engine was still in its new build specifications

Looks like I was part of the test! :lol: It's basically turbo charging from what I can tell.

I like shiny things :biggrin:

And once again, there she goes... :lmao:

I like shiny things :biggrin:

Yup... it's overdue... :smack:

And once again, there she goes... :lmao:

Yup... it's overdue... :smack:

:shrug: huh? :confused:

The warranty on Shiny New Things, SNT's, is 30 months or 30 feet. Whichever comes first.

I researched....



Looks like I was part of the test! :lol: It's basically turbo charging from what I can tell.

Sure is Larry, but I would prefer a machine that doesn't need stuff, especially engine stuff.

Baja, are you saying you researched the truck on the Ford web page? :killingme Me, I look to places like this......

EcoBoost (3.5L, 2.0L) - Page 2 - Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums (http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/forum262/index2.html)

Need to filter and adjust, of course, but after a quick glance, appears the number one complaint appears to be mileage not living up to claims. And that's not a big deal to me. And yes, it it turbocharging, but this is not the normal environment for gas turbos, in huge vehicles. TDs, yep, but not gas turbos.

:shrug: huh? :confused:

Whether I'm right or whether I'm wrong
Whether I find a place in this world or never belong
I gotta be me, I've gotta be me
What else can I be but what I am

Sure is Larry, but I would prefer a machine that doesn't need stuff, especially engine stuff.

.

This question always interests me; wasn't there a point where, say, a pickup truck was pretty much as good as it ever needed to be? And, had the manufacturer just stayed with it, refined the costs and processes of making it, couldn't they then have just kept selling it for less than 'New and Shiny!".

I mean, seriously, is a 2012 F150 soooo much better than, say, a 2000 or a '06, or, frankly, a what, 1990, an '85?...to justify the expenses in design and all the changes that had to happen year by year to get us to the 'all new' 2012?

Whether I'm right or whether I'm wrong
Whether I find a place in this world or never belong
I gotta be me, I've gotta be me
What else can I be but what I am

What is everyone talking about :jameo:


I don't get it :frown:

This question always interests me; wasn't there a point where, say, a pickup truck was pretty much as good as it ever needed to be?

That point was surpassed somewhere in time when a truck was no longer a work vehicle and became the family do-all. May have had something to do with the Urban Cowboy era :bigwhoop:

This question always interests me; wasn't there a point where, say, a pickup truck was pretty much as good as it ever needed to be? And, had the manufacturer just stayed with it, refined the costs and processes of making it, couldn't they then have just kept selling it for less than 'New and Shiny!".

I mean, seriously, is a 2012 F150 soooo much better than, say, a 2000 or a '06, or, frankly, a what, 1990, an '85?...to justify the expenses in design and all the changes that had to happen year by year to get us to the 'all new' 2012?

Well, folks keep demanding more from the machines, and the makers work to add that stuff in. From cupholders to anti-sway programming in the stability programming , suspensions that can take a 10,000 tow load but still not bounce you around like a trampoline when not loaded down. Sat radio, dual zone climate control (indispensible:)) it all adds up.

You could leave all that stuff off, but if you do, you wont sell many pickups. The guys who drive and need trucks, they used to compromise and accept a lot fewer amenities because "that's not what truck are for"

Well, folks keep demanding more from the machines, and the makers work to add that stuff in. From cupholders to anti-sway programming in the stability programming , suspensions that can take a 10,000 tow load but still not bounce you around like a trampoline when not loaded down. Sat radio, dual zone climate control (indispensible:)) it all adds up.

You could leave all that stuff off, but if you do, you wont sell many pickups. The guys who drive and need trucks, they used to compromise and accept a lot fewer amenities because "that's not what truck are for"

Ok, but, Baja, for some reason, thinks $48,000 for a pick up truck is a bit much.
I wonder if there could be, just to pick a number, a 2000 F150 that sold for about $22,000 new, could still be made absent all the new shiny for, what, oh, never mind. The auto industry and airline industry just baffle me.

Ok, but, Baja, for some reason, thinks $48,000 for a pick up truck is a bit much.
I wonder if there could be, just to pick a number, a 2000 F150 that sold for about $22,000 new, could still be made absent all the new shiny for, what, oh, never mind. The auto industry and airline industry just baffle me.

I agree with Baja. I know inflation raises prices. I know new features are always being added, safety improvements, etc... But when I buy a GMC SLT fully loaded pickup for $23.5K and ONLY 10 years later the price for the same make/model has doubled, there's something wrong with that.

You could leave all that stuff off, but if you do, you wont sell many pickups. The guys who drive and need trucks, they used to compromise and accept a lot fewer amenities because "that's not what truck are for"

A lot of people that use a truck, as a truck, would be very happy to get one with vinyl floor mats, crank up windows, a/c and am/fm radio. Let's not confuse a weekend of toting a boat with people who use a truck to help make their living.

Wasn't the 2008 Presidential election like a gimmick-driven deal? Now there's all kinds of buyers' remorse because folks now know that shiny black thing turned out to be a dud.

I agree with Baja. I know inflation raises prices. I know new features are always being added, safety improvements, etc... But when I buy a GMC SLT fully loaded pickup for $23.5K and ONLY 10 years later the price for the same make/model has doubled, there's something wrong with that.

Yup. It's like health care; protected industry, lack of competition.

Ok, but, Baja, for some reason, thinks $48,000 for a pick up truck is a bit much.
I wonder if there could be, just to pick a number, a 2000 F150 that sold for about $22,000 new, could still be made absent all the new shiny for, what, oh, never mind. The auto industry and airline industry just baffle me.

They sell those HERE because they can, and they sell..

Go to a dealership in NW PA I be you couldn't find a P/up for more than 30k on their lot.

Dealerships know their local market, and they know what they can, and can't, sell..

Ok, but, Baja, for some reason, thinks $48,000 for a pick up truck is a bit much.
You don't?? :faint: The diesel version was $58K. :lol:

You don't?? :faint: The diesel version was $58K. :lol:

I was being sarcastic. That is INSANE. Housing is, slowly, falling down to market levels. The game is up. For now. Healthcare is NOT falling as the market would dictate and that is because it is a government protected market. Same with cars. There is NO way car prices don't fall, significantly, other than the fact that it is yet another protected market.

I sell a certain flower today for less than I sold it for 10 years ago. Several items, actually. I am not arguing my way is better. Clearly, I am a moron too stupid to be in a protected business. However, for better or worse, I compete in the real world. Cars, healthcare, government, smart people.

They're protected. And they do it on the backs of the real market where costs and prices and everything else gets squeezed and pressured all day, every day and twice on Sundays. So we can buy $58,000 truck that should cost 1/2 that. And get 'free' medicine that absorbs 1/6th of every dollar the nation produces. And pay for 40-50% more government than it should cost which is probably 40-50% more than we need in the first place.

Imagine that. $25,000 trucks. $100,000 houses. Actually paying the doctor and having some $1-1.5 trillion freed up from medical costs. Government that costs about $1 trillion a year. Oil at $30, gas at $1.80 or so. Groceries and everything else some 1/3 less, or lower, due to market energy prices.

We are, and have long been, a socialized economy. We just don't like facing up to it. If I were smart, my flower that retails for $4 would cost $16.

And you, the consumer, like any protected industry or economic sector, wouldn't have much choice but to pay it.

... Imagine that. ...

When I was getting out of high school back in '72, my dream was to own a $100,000 house like the ones in a very exclusive neighborhood known as BelleTerre. That's where the rich people lived with their very expensive homes.

*sigh*

I was being sarcastic. That is INSANE. Housing is, slowly, falling down to market levels. The game is up. For now. Healthcare is NOT falling as the market would dictate and that is because it is a government protected market. Same with cars. There is NO way car prices don't fall, significantly, other than the fact that it is yet another protected market.

I sell a certain flower today for less than I sold it for 10 years ago. Several items, actually. I am not arguing my way is better. Clearly, I am a moron too stupid to be in a protected business. However, for better or worse, I compete in the real world. Cars, healthcare, government, smart people.

They're protected. And they do it on the backs of the real market where costs and prices and everything else gets squeezed and pressured all day, every day and twice on Sundays. So we can buy $58,000 truck that should cost 1/2 that. And get 'free' medicine that absorbs 1/6th of every dollar the nation produces. And pay for 40-50% more government than it should cost which is probably 40-50% more than we need in the first place.

Imagine that. $25,000 trucks. $100,000 houses. Actually paying the doctor and having some $1-1.5 trillion freed up from medical costs. Government that costs about $1 trillion a year. Oil at $30, gas at $1.80 or so. Groceries and everything else some 1/3 less, or lower, due to market energy prices.

We are, and have long been, a socialized economy. We just don't like facing up to it. If I were smart, my flower that retails for $4 would cost $16.

And you, the consumer, like any protected industry or economic sector, wouldn't have much choice but to pay it.

Hard to say or even estimate. According to the included chart overall sales from 1990 to 2010 increased until 2001, then started falling off. Pricing however isn't falling. Leasing is up almost 3x what it was. Can you remember when you had to put down a minimum of 20% to even think about a car loan?

I would disagree with your last line. As a consumer, I always have a choice. I could buy silk flowers or a used car. It seems that more people today are willing to do whatever it takes to have it now (second job, credit, etc.) Not sure if it's to keep up with a certain lifestyle or ......?

RITA | BTS | Table 1-17: New and Used Passenger Car Sales and Leases (http://www.bts.gov/publications/national_transportation_statistics/html/table_01_17.html)

Ha

I would disagree with your last line. As a consumer, I always have a choice. I could buy silk flowers



That wouldn't make you a consumer. That would make you evil incarnate. There is no such thing as 'silk flowers'. That is like saying 'live dead'.


:tap:

Wasn't the 2008 Presidential election like a gimmick-driven deal? Now there's all kinds of buyers' remorse because folks now know that shiny black thing turned out to be a dud.

I'm a true Democrat but that right there is funny! :buddies:

what is that after interest $ 70 k on a 5 yr loan

Maybe if your credit sucks....

That wouldn't make you a consumer. That would make you evil incarnate. There is no such thing as 'silk flowers'. That is like saying 'live dead'.


:tap:

:killingme www.bigfishgames.com/Plants-vs-Zombies

Maybe if your credit sucks....

you know i got a rug on credit once....then some guy pi$$ed on it....it really brought the room together.

Stopped in Monday night. Walked out with a real nice F 150 and a Mustang GT 5.0 for the Mrs. Got my JD mower delivered on Thursday.

I've found the same truck for a lot less. Ltown Ford will not be getting my business. They don't have a selection anyway.

Hey now!!! I'm in the market! Stopped by there Sunday. They have the one I want but I'm not fond of the color. $48K+ :faint:

I know this is an older thread but I have been doing some research and I found that they only come in green and yeller..

Stopped in Monday night. Walked out with a real nice F 150 and a Mustang GT 5.0 for the Mrs. Got my JD mower delivered on Thursday.

Is it a paperweight? keychain? figurine? :eyebrow:

I coulda posted a bigger picture, didn't want to over do it. It is the entry level mower from John Deere but it's still a Deere. It runs mighty fine too. :yahoo: