In his broadest remarks on gun control yet in the aftermath of the mass shooting at a Colorado movie theater, President Barack Obama called late Wednesday for tougher background checks designed to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and the mentally ill.

"A lot of gun owners would agree that AK-47s belong in the hands of soldiers, not in the hands of criminals -- that they belong on the battlefield of war, not on the streets of our cities," the president, who has called for reimposing the Assault Weapons Ban, said in a speech to the National Urban League.

"I believe the majority of gun owners would agree that we should do everything possible to prevent criminals and fugitives from purchasing weapons; that we should check someone's criminal record before they can check out a gun seller; that a mentally unbalanced individual should not be able to get his hands on a gun so easily," he said. "These steps shouldn't be controversial. They should be common sense."


"And I, like most Americans, believe that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual the right to bear arms. And we recognize the traditions of gun ownership that passed on from generation to generation -— that hunting and shooting are part of a cherished national heritage," he said.
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tougher background checks designed to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and the mentally ill.


This would have prevented Laughner, Holmes, et al from getting firearms...how exactly??

but, but, ak-47s are scurry lookin. we see them in the hands of turrurists all the time! we have to ban scary looking guns and think of the children! what a twit he is.

Political correctness impossed by the same lefties who are in favor of gun control prevent us from profiling or questioning someone's saneness until they do something bad.

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As said before, the 2nd Amendment is not about duck hunting. Its about society holding the ultimate insurance card against tyranny of an out of control government. Most people believe in reasonable restrictions on gun ownership. Background checks are allready in force these days. The Colorado nutcase apparently had no criminal record, and as in 2012 to my knowledge there exists no means to tell the future behavior of someone, he could legally purchase what he wanted. Look people, it seems like everyone who talks about common sense solutions has no friggin common sense. Do you people think someone intent on a serious illegal act (murder, robbery, etc) gives a rats ass about the gun law he/she is breaking in the process? Politicians are intent to address a problem with a new law to supposedly affect people who have no intent on following laws in the first place. And they call this common sense?

The Colorodo tragedy is one almost impossible to predict or prevent. Im whole heartedly in support of concealed carry freedoms however. Who knows...if 5 or 6 people in that theatre were armed then who knows....maybe the shooter would have thought twice...maybe not. Maybe he would have been capped after killing a few people, maybe not. But I can guarantee you I deserve at least the right to try to defend myself without being labeled a criminal. New laws are not the answer. They only affect those who abide by them in the first place. A criminal fears hot lead much worse then a new law. He was planning on breaking a few laws anyways, he wasnt planning on getting shot back at.

Isn't the 'A' in AK for Automatic?? Automatic Kalishnikov..

I don't think Holmes had an Automatic Weapon, so it wasn't an AK...

And here’s the rub… if we are ever compelled to take up arms against an oppressive government guess what the American landscape turns into? A battlefield. Guess what the people taking up arms become? Soldiers.

The founders, when writing the 2nd, didn't envision battlefields being overseas.

Politicians are intent to address a problem with a new law to supposedly affect people who have no intent on following laws in the first place. And they call this common sense?

Our politicians, being self-serving bags of manure, have no interest in solving the so-called ‘gun’ problem. These are opportunities (especially for the anti-gun progressives) to do things that make people feel good, all the while making it more impossible for law-abiding people to establish a defensive base in which to protect ourselves from the very thing they are trying to do: place more and more limits on our liberties.

Isn't the 'A' in AK for Automatic?? Automatic Kalishnikov..

I don't think Holmes had an Automatic Weapon, so it wasn't an AK...

The reports I saw indicated he was armed with a shotgun, an AR-15 clone and two handguns...

No AK-47.:coffee:

The reports I saw indicated he was armed with a shotgun, an AR-15 clone and two handguns...

No AK-47.:coffee:

I had also heard this morning he got some of them illegally.

The reports I saw indicated he was armed with a shotgun, an AR-15 clone and two handguns...

No AK-47.:coffee:

So Obama is talking out his ass again..

I had also heard this morning he got some of them illegally.

linkage?

So Obama is talking out his ass again..

obama never said that the colorado shooter was carrying an AK.

And here’s the rub… if we are ever compelled to take up arms against an oppressive government guess what the American landscape turns into? A battlefield. Guess what the people taking up arms become? Soldiers.

The founders, when writing the 2nd, didn't envision battlefields being overseas.

How exactly does an AK-47 protect you from a drone missile?

obama never said that the colorado shooter was carrying an AK.

No..he didn't. So why do you think he mentioned, in that speech, an AK-47 specifically, and not..an AR-15, for example? Just picked a semi-auto rifle type at random?

How exactly does an AK-47 protect you from a drone missile?

When you assault and take over the command module?

How exactly does an AK-47 protect you from a drone missile?

The same way a Glock G19 does. :ohwell:

When you assault and take over the command module?

I'm just being realistic. If the government was out to get you, they'd drop bombs so quick.

Look at how quick Iran stopped a revolution.

I was in Pakistan about the same time Obama was. The traffic cops used their AK's to direct traffic. I guarantee, when someone points an AK at you and directs you to stop, you stop.

It's odd that he would be so freaked out by an AK when he must have experienced them up close and personal.

I'd rather my next door neighbor have an AK than a psychopath have a hunting rifle.

linkage?

I don't have a link. I heard it this morning on WMAL. I'm not confirming the truth or falacy of it; I'm just saying I heard it.

The same way a Glock G19 does. :ohwell:

I'm not saying they should ban the stuff because I am pro 2A, I'm just saying.... plenty of people, secure in the size of their penis, walk around the streets without needing automatic rifles.

I wonder when the Second Amendment nutties who think it's kosher for people to walk around with AK-47s on their back (because it makes them look cool) are going to stand up and call for Maryland to allow me to carry my katana in public. After all, I think walking around with a katana would look cooler than walking around with an AK-47.

This would have prevented Laughner, Holmes, et al from getting firearms...how exactly??

Speed limits don't prevent people from speeding... should we just make it legal for everyone to drive 110 mph in school zones?

Oh, and we can get rid of the stop signs and red lights as well since they don't actually prevent people from breaking the law.

Free for all :yahoo:

I'm not saying they should ban the stuff because I am pro 2A, I'm just saying.... plenty of people, secure in the size of their penis, walk around the streets without needing automatic rifles.

I wonder when the Second Amendment nutties who think it's kosher for people to walk around with AK-47s on their back (because it makes them look cool) are going to stand up and call for Maryland to allow me to carry my katana in public. After all, I think walking around with a katana would look cooler than walking around with an AK-47.

No. you'd still look like a dweeb struggling under the weight of a sword.

Automatic rifles are already as regulated as possible. Why would you even bring that up? Obama wasn't even talking about those. He's talking about the legal weapons that just happen to look scary but have no more power to kill than the non-scary looking hunting or target rifles.

Speed limits don't prevent people from speeding... should we just make it legal for everyone to drive 110 mph in school zones?



That was incredibly weak ..does not even make sense.

There are laws restricting the carriage of firearms.

There are laws against all conceivable criminal uses of firearms.

There are many laws and restrictions pertaining specifically to the purchase of handguns and semi-automatic long guns with detacheable magazines.

What..very specifically what law would you envision that would have prevented Laughner or Homes or the like from obtaining the firearms they used in the commission of their respective crimes??

without needing automatic rifles.

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Who was ever discussing automatic rifles??

I'm just being realistic. If the government was out to get you, they'd drop bombs so quick.

Look at how quick Iran stopped a revolution.

They would not get us all.

Look how "quickly" Syria is stopping their revolution. :buddies:

They would not get us all.

Look how "quickly" Syria is stopping their revolution. :buddies:

The entire WORLD is lucky that Syria isn't pulling out their chemical weapons.

Who was ever discussing automatic rifles??

President Obama.

President Obama.

Does it hurt? Stupid should hurt.

The entire WORLD is lucky that Syria isn't pulling out Iraq's chemical weapons.

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I'm just being realistic. If the government was out to get you, they'd drop bombs so quick.

Look at how quick Iran stopped a revolution.

If you're talking about the Islamic revolution... the Islamists won. :shrug: But that's apples and oranges to this discussion.

They know they can’t do this when we still have an effectively armed people. A government willing to do such a thing would also have know they have the cooperation of the military. As of now I don’t believe Obama (if he were to do such a stupid thing) could get the cooperation of the military to attack its own citizens. That’s why certain things have to be set up first.

Chaos: Create an environment where the people are thrust into chaos and violence. Who does this sound like? OWS? It starts with a crumbling economy putting people into destitution and desperation.

Once complete pandemonium has been accomplished implement Martial Law.

Now you have the cooperation of the military. You can quash dissenters and rebels; strip them of their guns. At this point it will be all for national peace and the better good.

I know at this point this is far-fetched… I’m giving you the scenario as to why THE PEOPLE need to be well armed. The people should be equally as the government.

And last I checked this is a nation of the people, not the government.

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President Obama.

Now I'm really confused. YOU were going on about "there oughta be more laws" and wanting to ban AK-47s. Hell..I've owned several..along with AR-15 clones..my SKS, etc etc.

Then you completely changed the subject to automatic rifles, for some reason. ??

But I've never had the money to afford an automatic rifle, even though the Browning (BAR) is high on my list of "wish I hads". The number of people who can afford to own automatic rifles is tiny; you better have a cool 20 grand sitting in your pocket before you even start shopping.

And then there is the cost of the ammo for an automatic. A guy that shoots his Browning 30-cal tripod auto at the same range I frequent will go through 1500 bucks worth of ammunition in one afternoon..easily.

How exactly does an AK-47 protect you from a drone missile?

Spray and pray! :biggrin:

How exactly does an AK-47 protect you from a drone missile?

What do you think you're talking about? A drone or a missile?

So Obama is talking out his ass again..

No, what he meant was
If he had a son, AK-47 is what that son would have used.

No, what he meant was
If he had a son, AK-47 is what that son would have used.

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Now I'm really confused. YOU were going on about "there oughta be more laws" and wanting to ban AK-47s. Hell..I've owned several..along with AR-15 clones..my SKS, etc etc.

Then you completely changed the subject to automatic rifles, for some reason. ??

But I've never had the money to afford an automatic rifle, even though the Browning (BAR) is high on my list of "wish I hads". The number of people who can afford to own automatic rifles is tiny; you better have a cool 20 grand sitting in your pocket before you even start shopping.

And then there is the cost of the ammo for an automatic. A guy that shoots his Browning 30-cal tripod auto at the same range I frequent will go through 1500 bucks worth of ammunition in one afternoon..easily.

I'm not calling for more laws. I'm simply questioning why anyone would need an AK-47. You guys are putting words in my mouth.

I'm responsing to all the people who think there should be fewer laws.

I'm not calling for more laws. I'm simply questioning why anyone would need an AK-47. You guys are putting words in my mouth.

I'm responsing to all the people who think there should be fewer laws.

Who needs a Ferrari?? (or in my case..a Pantera..early Bronco extreme trail rigs to rape the environment with, a Donzi to make outrageous amounts of noise going fast on the water.....and a..you get the drift) I enjoy owning, collecting, customizing and shooting my rifles just as much as I enjoy shooting my 1911 ACP or my Browning shotgun or my 1836 Navy Colt or....throwing 20 gallons an hour of high octane fuel through a speed boat.

POINT BEING: I'm free to do all of the above I certinly expect it to stay that way.

But you changed the subject back again. We were talking about AK-47s and AR-15s and clones..then you changed the subject to automatic rifles..now we're back to the former again?

Focus much?

I'm responsing to all the people who think there should be fewer laws.

Who's calling for fewer laws? We're responding to Obama's assertion that we need more laws. You're agreeing with him.

Andi, figure out what your argument is, do a little research, then come back when you can piece together a rational thought.

Here's my response to Obama...

No..he didn't. So why do you think he mentioned, in that speech, an AK-47 specifically, and not..an AR-15, for example? Just picked a semi-auto rifle type at random?

because he was talking about the assualt weapons ban and that one is on the list. Would it make you any happier if he had said AR-15 instead? It wouldn't make any difference to me.

because he was talking about the assualt weapons ban and that one is on the list. Would it make you any happier if he had said AR-15 instead? It wouldn't make any difference to me.

The article is worded to imply that his remarks were in reaction to the CO shooting. The leap from the shooting to the AK appears illogical to some of us.

The article is worded to imply that his remarks were in reaction to the CO shooting. The leap from the shooting to the AK appears illogical to some of us.

thats the way the article is worded, but that doesn't mean that was what Obama was meaning.
If you just read Obama's quotes from that article you cant say if he made that leap or if the author did. I mean we NEVER see anyone purposefully misquote Obama to make him look bad/worse. :killingme

I'm not saying they should ban the stuff because I am pro 2A, I'm just saying.... plenty of people, secure in the size of their penis, walk around the streets without needing automatic rifles.


This isn’t about need; this about rights.

I wonder when the Second Amendment nutties who think it's kosher for people to walk around with AK-47s on their back (because it makes them look cool) are going to stand up and call for Maryland to allow me to carry my katana in public. After all, I think walking around with a katana would look cooler than walking around with an AK-47.

You claim you’re pro 2A then you go on to call people that hold different views on how the 2A is applied as “Second Amendment nutties”. That really doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. I’m not sure where you come off thinking this all about looking cool. This is about rights. Marginalizing this to nonsensical platitudes does nothing for your position; to say nothing about your being truly pro 2A.

Obama's statement is going to send AK-47 sales through the roof.

The article is worded to imply that his remarks were in reaction to the CO shooting. The leap from the shooting to the AK appears illogical to some of us.

That. :buddies:

es from that article you cant say if he made that leap or if the author did. I mean we NEVER see anyone purposefully misquote Obama to make him look bad/worse. :killingme

Don't need to misquote him. He's remarkably capable at generating all his own gaffs and is doing so more and more frequently.:killingme:killingme

Must make you proud.

So Obama is talking out his ass again..

Seems to be the only orifice on the man that works.

I mean we NEVER see anyone purposefully misquote Romney to make him look bad/worse. :killingme

Fixed :buddies:

The article is worded to imply that his remarks were in reaction to the CO shooting. The leap from the shooting to the AK appears illogical to some of us.

The shooter had an AR15 with a 100 round beta mag not an AK47. The AR15 jammed quickly. The majority of the killing was done with his pistols and shotgun. "Assult Weapons had very little to do with the shooting in colorado.

The shooter had an AR15 with a 100 round beta mag not an AK47. The AR15 jammed quickly. The majority of the killing was done with his pistols and shotgun. "Assult Weapons had very little to do with the shooting in colorado.

Yep. If he had an AK it wouldn't have jammed.

Yep. If he had an AK it wouldn't have jammed.


I would have to say that is probably true..

I would have to say that is probably true..

That is it's best quality.

my prediction if Obama gets re-elected is:

-ban on newly manufactured magazines over 20 rounds

-federal and state background checks on all firearm purchases

-no importation of any firearm that accepts magazines of 20 rounds or more

-no commercial sales of ammunition containing lead (that EPA thing will resurface)

-national registration of all firearm owners (UN small arms treaty)

This isn’t about need; this about rights.



You claim you’re pro 2A then you go on to call people that hold different views on how the 2A is applied as “Second Amendment nutties”. That really doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. I’m not sure where you come off thinking this all about looking cool. This is about rights. Marginalizing this to nonsensical platitudes does nothing for your position; to say nothing about your being truly pro 2A.

I'm calling perople who think everyone should have a gun nutty.

I'm calling perople who think everyone should have a gun nutty.

What is a perople?

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es from that article you cant say if he made that leap or if the author did. I mean we NEVER see anyone purposefully misquote Obama to make him look bad/worse. :killingme

Don't need to misquote him. He's remarkably capable at generating all his own gaffs and is doing so more and more frequently.:killingme:killingme

Must make you proud.

Which makes it even more ridiculous to do, but for some reason this forum is full of threads where that is the case.

He's talking about the legal weapons that just happen to look scary but have no more power to kill than the non-scary looking hunting or target rifles.

He's parroting exactly what some speech writer penned and was displayed on his teleprompter. He'd have said "Ruger 10/22" if that had scrolled across the screen.

He's parroting exactly what some speech writer penned and was displayed on his teleprompter. He'd have said "Ruger 10/22" if that had scrolled across the screen.

My Remmy Nylon 66 was the bomb in "automatic rifles" when I got it fer Christmas..in 1968.:killingme