With as many fights that seem to happen at this hole in the wall, why hasn't the place been shut down?.....is it going to take someone getting seriously hurt or killed? JMO

hell... lets just ban all bars

:ohwell: Let's Ban all restaurants too while were at it... fights seem to break out there sometimes... and all parking lots need to be demolished :coffee:

You should have hung around Old Gum more...or Pennies...or Dukes...Old Country Inn...White Fleet....

Good times. Good times. :razz:

hell... lets just ban all bars

:starcat: :yay: :bann: :dingding: :clap:

With as many fights that seem to happen at this hole in the wall, why hasn't the place been shut down?.....is it going to take someone getting seriously hurt or killed? JMO

BTW, Hole in the Wall is North a few miles. You shouldn't confuse the two. Just saying.

:ohwell: Let's Ban all restaurants too while were at it... fights seem to break out there sometimes... and all parking lots need to be demolished :coffee:

Don't forget that restaurants attract men exposing themselves and crazy skunks.

:yay:

Hell, why not try banning alcohol again. :rolleyes: Afterall, it is not the location that has the alcohol-induced testosterone issue...

You should have hung around Old Gum more...or Pennies...or Dukes...Old Country Inn...White Fleet....

Good times. Good times. :razz:

Harborview Inn, Victory Tavern, Betty Russells...

With as many fights that seem to happen at this hole in the wall, why hasn't the place been shut down?.....is it going to take someone getting seriously hurt or killed? JMO

Seriously? After wha happened last weekend at The Lexington, you are going to complain about a fist fight?

With as many fights that seem to happen at this hole in the wall, why hasn't the place been shut down?.....is it going to take someone getting seriously hurt or killed? JMO

Should have known this would be the comments.

Harborview Inn, Victory Tavern, Betty Russells...

like old home week...although Victory was too small to cut loose too much and was too close to home to allow anything to get broken. :yay:

Should have known this would be the comments.

Do you go there? How many fights have they had lately?

Should have known this would be the comments.

you said it was "JMO" ... these are our opinions. Your statement wasn't very well thought out. Pin-pointing one place of business isn't logical when this #### happens everywhere. :coffee:


JMO....

Should have known this would be the comments.

:shrug:

helll there was a shooting at the Lexington ... and that place has not been shut down...

and I dont think this is the first issue that has happened there.... several fights, and I think I recall shots fired there before.

Should have known this would be the comments.

It's not our fault. There used to be so many bars that the trouble was uniformly distributed, AND we could go to Cobb Island and Colonial Beach to raise cane and then zip back to safety across the river. Lost those refuges in hurricanes. *sniff*

:huggy:

you said it was "JMO" ... these are our opinions. Your statement wasn't very well thought out. Pin-pointing one place of business isn't logical when this #### happens everywhere. :coffee:


JMO....

Indeed it does, this one's just fresh from the weekend and a young lady was taken by ambulance.....yes, it's everywhere and it's sad.

Indeed it does, this one's just fresh from the weekend and a young lady was taken by ambulance.....yes, it's everywhere and it's sad.

So, has the young lady never been to Dew Drop before?

So, has the young lady never been to Dew Drop before?

What difference would that make?

Indeed it does, this one's just fresh from the weekend and a young lady was taken by ambulance.....yes, it's everywhere and it's sad.

Friend of yours?

Indeed it does, this one's just fresh from the weekend and a young lady was taken by ambulance.....yes, it's everywhere and it's sad.

Was she just an innocent designed driver bystander and got throttled by a drunken Hollywood Ho?

What difference would that make?

A lot. If she's a regular, she already knew the atmosphere. Hell, if she's a local she probably knows the reputation of every bar in town.

With as many fights that seem to happen at this hole in the wall, why hasn't the place been shut down?.....is it going to take someone getting seriously hurt or killed? JMO

Let's bring back the Opium dens, everyone was always so quiet there.:snooze:

Was she just an innocent designed driver bystander and got throttled by a drunken Hollywood Ho?

She turned into a rough draft.:razz:

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Friend of yours?

Indirectly

Indirectly

She's indirectly a friend of yours? :confused:

She's indirectly a friend of yours? :confused:

Friend of a friend maybe?

Friend of a friend maybe?

Then her answer would be "no, she is not a friend of mine."


"JMO"... :belvak:

Then her answer would be "no, she is not a friend of mine."


"JMO"... :belvak:

Meet me at Dew Drop and I'll show you what your opinion means to me. :boxing:

Meet me at Dew Drop and I'll show you what your opinion means to me. :boxing:

I don't care :huggy:


Meet me at the Lexington :roflmao:

I don't care :huggy:


Meet me at the Lexington :roflmao:

Dang. One up!

Indirectly

So what happened?

So what happened?

:popcorn:

I don't care :huggy:


Meet me at the Lexington :roflmao:

Meet ya half way at the LAKE :razz:

:popcorn:

I wonder if it was an appropriate thumping.

So what happened?

She's pissed now. She's not gonna' tell us. We need to work on our approach so we can bet the dirt before pissing people off.

She's pissed now. She's not gonna' tell us. We need to work on our approach so we can bet the dirt before pissing people off.

I just want her to substantiate her accusation. :shrug:

She's pissed now. She's not gonna' tell us. We need to work on our approach so we can bet the dirt before pissing people off.

Where is this betting taking place? Is that legal to bet on dirt? Or is dirt code word for :gossip:

She's pissed now. She's not gonna' tell us. We need to work on our approach so we can bet the dirt before pissing people off.

I'll try harder next time.

BE NICE WR :banghead: NICE... :banghead: MUST BE A NICER INDIVIDUAL :banghead: MUST BE A NICE WR :banghead:

Where is this betting taking place? Is that legal to bet on dirt? Or is dirt code word for :gossip:

Phantom finger got in the way.

hell... lets just ban all bars

Would certainly cut down on drunk driving.

With as many fights that seem to happen at this hole in the wall, why hasn't the place been shut down?.....is it going to take someone getting seriously hurt or killed? JMO

Nobody has been seriously hurt or killed? Sounds like a pretty lame bar overall...

Would certainly cut down on drunk driving.

WE SHOULD BAN CARS!!!! :starcat:

It's not our fault. There used to be so many bars that the trouble was uniformly distributed, AND we could go to Cobb Island and Colonial Beach to raise cane and then zip back to safety across the river. Lost those refuges in hurricanes. *sniff*

:huggy:

Hey. Lets not leave out Coles Point Tavern now...

Nobody has been seriously hurt or killed? Sounds like a pretty lame bar overall...

all of our bars are lame, so this isn't breaking news.

all of our bars are lame, so this isn't breaking news.

Since it hasn't yet been reported on the interwebs, it must not be true. :coffee:

WE SHOULD BAN CARS!!!! :starcat:
YEAH.... horse and buggies for all!!!

YEAH.... horse and buggies for all!!!

Well, it would cut down on the drinking and driving afterall. :coffee:

Well, it would cut down on the drinking and driving afterall. :coffee:

bikes, ATVs, golf carts, lawnmowers, go carts, tractors, scooters, motorcycles, roller skates, skate boards, horses, unicycles...............

There will always be a stupid drunk driving something.

bikes, ATVs, golf carts, lawnmowers, go carts, tractors, scooters, motorcycles, roller skates, skate boards, horses, unicycles...............

There will always be a stupid drunk driving something.

you forgot walking....



many drunks hit while walking!

Well, it would cut down on the drinking and driving afterall. :coffee:

Ask RR about that, there was a buggy accident in front of her old house years ago and drinking was involved

bikes, ATVs, golf carts, lawnmowers, go carts, tractors, scooters, motorcycles, roller skates, skate boards, horses, unicycles...............

There will always be a stupid drunk driving something.

You forgot Big Wheels and Bobcats. :yay:

Ask RR about that, there was a buggy accident in front of her old house years ago and drinking was involved

No buggy involved. Two drunks on horseback in the dark and no shoulder on the curved road. Poor horsey had to be put down before it bled out. :bawl:

Hey. Lets not leave out Coles Point Tavern now...

Had some great times at Coles Point, head over on Johnny Hall's boat and stay all night most of the time. So much fun.

I just want her to substantiate her accusation. :shrug:

Accusation?, I didn't accuse anyone of anything. FYI, it was a friend of a friend. So, no, I don't know this person personally.

Accusation?, I didn't accuse anyone of anything. FYI, it was a friend of a friend. So, no, I don't know this person personally.

So what happened then? Or was your inital post just second hand information and you don't really know.

With as many fights that seem to happen at this hole in the wall, why hasn't the place been shut down?.....is it going to take someone getting seriously hurt or killed? JMO

Where would you like them to fight? Somewhere that you frequent?

So what happened then? Or was your inital post just second hand information and you don't really know.

nicely rose, nicely.

Hold my beer and watch this.

Accusation?, I didn't accuse anyone of anything. FYI, it was a friend of a friend. So, no, I don't know this person personally.

Is your friend's friend oK? How badly was she injured? Did they arrest the person that caused her injury?

That sucks. :huggy:

nicely rose, nicely.

Hold my beer and watch this.

I was nice. :shrug:

Is your friend's friend oK? How badly was she injured? Did they arrest the person that caused her injury?

That sucks. :huggy:

Well don't we just have little rays of sunshine coming out of our ass this afternoon. :mad:



:cds:


Clam down, WR...clam down :belvak:


I mean...Yes, tell us about your indirect friend and the establishment.

Well don't we just have little rays of sunshine coming out of our ass this afternoon. :mad:



:cds:


Clam down, WR...clam down :belvak:


I mean...Yes, tell us about your indirect friend and the establishment.

:lol:

:biggrin:

Need a hug? :huggy:

daymn... cut to the chase...

Is it on youtube???

we will be the judges of who is at fault!

Hey. Lets not leave out Coles Point Tavern now...

And now I can get the boat back in there..and regularly do again.:bann:

Had some great times at Coles Point, head over on Johnny Hall's boat and stay all night most of the time. So much fun.

The famous Lanham Brothers....I remember going over there quite a bit but I don't know why, but I never remember coming home....:shrug:

Had some great times at Coles Point, head over on Johnny Hall's boat and stay all night most of the time. So much fun.

Ruh roh..now yr really crossing my path. Johnny and I were shooters in T's #2...and if I wasn't out on Johnny's boat, it was because me and Boots and Andy and Greg and Gary were out sporting around in our own.

Good times ..good times. We used to call it "connecting the dots"..and of course if we got back down the river too late, we could always pull up to Frank's dock on Canoe Neck and go bang on the house door; he didn't care what time we woke him up to buy beer.:yay:

daymn... cut to the chase...

Is it on youtube???

we will be the judges of who is at fault!

Perhaps the facts will be published in an upcoming police news report.

Perhaps the facts will be published in an upcoming police news report.

............ wait for it.......... :coffee:

............ wait for it.......... :coffee:

Personally, I haven't set foot in there for 13 years. It's full of young drunken fighting hardheads. Or so I've heard.

I much prefer the Lawrence Welk lounge.

Personally, I haven't set foot in there for 13 years. It's full of young drunken fighting hardheads. Or so I've heard.

I much prefer the Lawrence Welk lounge.

I havent been there in several years. But, I used to have fun there... :yay:

Ruh roh..now yr really crossing my path. Johnny and I were shooters in T's #2...and if I wasn't out on Johnny's boat, it was because me and Boots and Andy and Greg and Gary were out sporting around in our own.

Good times ..good times. We used to call it "connecting the dots"..and of course if we got back down the river too late, we could always pull up to Frank's dock on Canoe Neck and go bang on the house door; he didn't care what time we woke him up to buy beer.:yay:

OMG, I probably know you. Do you remember snooks? My Aunt, cousins, Mother and Sisters all knew Johnny and it was just about every weekend we were heading over to Coles Point and Jimmy and Sammy were always there. He took the Broadwater most of the time,but I can remember going over on that little orange speedboat he had. Do you remember when he sank it out by the Dock of the Bay.

OMG, I probably know you. Do you remember snooks? My Aunt, cousins, Mother and Sisters all knew Johnny and it was just about every weekend we were heading over to Coles Point and Jimmy and Sammy were always there. He took the Broadwater most of the time,but I can remember going over on that little orange speedboat he had. Do you remember when he sank it out by the Dock of the Bay.

I don't remember him sinking the little boat..but I remember when he sank the cruiser. Something to do with some "mixing chores" he was attending to below at the time of the unfortunate collision..best I recall. :yay:

I lived down at the bitter end of Brown Rd. back in those days. T's Cove was our second home..

I still have the pair of Donzis that Andy I terrorized the waterways with back in those days..gawd..what..a quarter century ago now?? That sucks when I think about it.

"Snooks" rings a bell...but not loudly enough. A few brains cells gone along the way...

OMG, I probably know you. .

Speaking of bar fights...do you remember the chicken in Old Gum? That chicken caused one of the biggest brawls I ever saw in any bar.:boxing:

bikes, ATVs, golf carts, lawnmowers, go carts, tractors, scooters, motorcycles, roller skates, skate boards, horses, unicycles...............

There will always be a stupid drunk driving something.

Yup.....drunk in public is usually stupid - no matter who/what/where/when and why.

Been to the Dirty Dew quite a few times, probably say 50 or more. Never had a problem, would even stay after they close to talk with some old friends.

On a last note I think the people that cause the problems should be banned from interacting with others, say prison or such.

I don't remember him sinking the little boat..but I remember when he sank the cruiser. Something to do with some "mixing chores" he was attending to below at the time of the unfortunate collision..best I recall. :yay:

I lived down at the bitter end of Brown Rd. back in those days. T's Cove was our second home..

I still have the pair of Donzis that Andy I terrorized the waterways with back in those days..gawd..what..a quarter century ago now?? That sucks when I think about it.

"Snooks" rings a bell...but not loudly enough. A few brains cells gone along the way...

Yep, it was the cruiser, we were on it. He was mixing a drink for my mother, when he hit the buoy. Johnny got it back on the sand bar so it wouldnt sink any further. I got a blackeye cause I was thrown into the back of the skippers chair. Used to love T's cove margarita's and Trish made fanstastic mexican food. Ahhh... the memories. Good times and nobody got hurt.

She's pissed now. She's not gonna' tell us. We need to work on our approach so we can bet the dirt before pissing people off.

FU, she has enough friends :buddies:

I'm disappointed - nobody mentioned Hideaway Bar or Marquettis, you know, the southern end of the county.....

Been to the Dirty Dew quite a few times, probably say 50 or more. Never had a problem, would even stay after they close to talk with some old friends.

On a last note I think the people that cause the problems should be banned from interacting with others, say prison or such.

I bet I know you IRL... (If you stayed after closing about 5 or 6 years ago) I always stayed... :roflmao:

I was a bar-fly for sure...

Sounds like a fun place.

I haven't been to Dew Drop since I was a young daisy. On nights when it was super packed the night usually ended in fights. It was one of the reasons I quit going; along with just getting older and not liking loud, packed bars anymore. Once someone I knew was hurt and had to be taken to the hospital and eventually airlifted to DC after a fight there. I don't remember what the fight was about or if the person was actually involved or a bystander casualty. There was never any mention of it in the "news" sites. So it can happen.

This is why I like to stay at home most of the time. The music is better, the beer is cheaper, the seats are more comfortable, there's (usually) no line for the bathroom, and the biggest fight it over cheating at the games.

I haven't been to Dew Drop since I was a young daisy. On nights when it was super packed the night usually ended in fights. It was one of the reasons I quit going; along with just getting older and not liking loud, packed bars anymore. Once someone I knew was hurt and had to be taken to the hospital and eventually airlifted to DC after a fight there. I don't remember what the fight was about or if the person was actually involved or a bystander casualty. There was never any mention of it in the "news" sites. So it can happen.

This is why I like to stay at home most of the time. The music is better, the beer is cheaper, the seats are more comfortable, there's (usually) no line for the bathroom, and the biggest fight it over cheating at the games.

I am sorry this happened to your friend. :frown: That is why I stopped going to the Brass Rail... I was on the dancefloor getting my dance on (:bann:) and someone cracked a beer bottle over someone elses head. There was blood all over me :cds: I ended up leaving and never went back.

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I haven't been to Dew Drop since I was a young daisy. On nights when it was super packed the night usually ended in fights. It was one of the reasons I quit going; along with just getting older and not liking loud, packed bars anymore. Once someone I knew was hurt and had to be taken to the hospital and eventually airlifted to DC after a fight there. I don't remember what the fight was about or if the person was actually involved or a bystander casualty. There was never any mention of it in the "news" sites. So it can happen.

This is why I like to stay at home most of the time. The music is better, the beer is cheaper, the seats are more comfortable, there's (usually) no line for the bathroom, and the biggest fight it over cheating at the games.

I am sorry this happened to your friend. :frown: That is why I stopped going to the Brass Rail... I was on the dancefloor getting my dance on (:bann:) and someone cracked a beer bottle over someone elses head. There was blood all over me :cds: I ended up leaving and never went back.

Wuss

I bet I know you IRL... (If you stayed after closing about 5 or 6 years ago) I always stayed... :roflmao:

I was the bar-hooch for sure...

Not surprising :coffee:

Not surprising :coffee:

:lol:

Dew Drop = 75 swinging dicks standing by the dance floor, watching 5 girls dance.. Then 50 more swinging dicks standing on the other side of the bar gawking at 3-4 girls at the bar...

Sounds like a pimpin' good time to me :starcat:

Not surprising :coffee:

:eyebrow: I never said I was a bar-hooch... You are one to talk.... :coffee:

:eyebrow: I never said I was a bar-hooch... You are one to talk.... :coffee:

Are you calling me a man-whore :boxing:

Are you calling me a man-whore :boxing:

Yes. :coffee:

Yes. :coffee:


:diva:

:diva:

Well, FORMER Man-whore.


You are hitched now... :cheesy:

Well, FORMER Man-whore.


You are hitched now... :cheesy:

:banghead: I know...

went from a different vagina whenever I wanted it, to 1 vagina I never get when I want

:banghead:



:roflmao:

It seems there was quite a fracas there last night. :pepperspray:

It seems there was quite a fracas there last night. :pepperspray:

You know you are at a happenin' place when they break out the pepper spray! :yahoo:

You know you are at a happenin' place when they break out the pepper spray! :yahoo:

:party:

It seems there was quite a fracas there last night. :pepperspray:

A group of girls that I know went and said that it was completely nuts.

A group of girls that I know went and said that it was completely nuts.

I'm looking forward to the scoop around the water cooler on Monday morning...

I'm looking forward to the scoop around the water cooler on Monday morning...

:eyebrow: Is that you, Beta?

hell... lets just ban all bars

The divorce rate would go through the roof!

It seems there was quite a fracas there last night. :pepperspray:

Redneck Romp Around :dye:

Redneck Romp Around :dye:

Heard it wasn't the rednecks... but then again, wasn't there :lol: Just heard about the crowd.

Heard it wasn't the rednecks... but then again, wasn't there :lol: Just heard about the crowd.

I didn't hear a thing...

I just think of Good 'ol Boys & Thug-O-Mites when DewDump is mentioned.

I bet I know you IRL... (If you stayed after closing about 5 or 6 years ago) I always stayed... :roflmao:

I was a bar-hooch for sure...

Not surprising :coffee:

:eyebrow: I never said I was a bar-hooch... You are one to talk.... :coffee:

Nothin' the matter with a bar-hooch, it's what a lot of good women become :buddies:

Heard it wasn't the rednecks... but then again, wasn't there :lol: Just heard about the crowd.

It is rarely the rednecks that cause the fights there.

It is rarely the rednecks that cause the fights there.

It's the 20 somethings. They can't handle their liquor. The middle age crowd has been there and done that years ago.

Dew Drop is full of ghetto rednecks. It's a strange combination. But, somehow, some way, a lot of the patrons pull it off there. The post about the swinging johnsons standing around watching girls dance is spot on.

The reason that places like that are allowed to exist is because the County Liquor Control Board and the County Commissioners allow it. The fire Marshals office allows it. Its the reason that week after week these "holes in the wall become increasingly more violent with large brawls involving weapons, shootings, stabbings, etc. are allowed to occur. My guess? The owner pays off someone in the county, and the politicians/police smile and nod.... taking a few disorderlies to jail here and there. But something they forgot, is that most of the violent clubs in DC/PG were shut down leaving not many places to go and "raise hell" anymore. Someone of DC area's most violent are making that drive right into Good Ole St. Mary's County, and you better believe that their lifestyle and values have not changed because they crossed the county line. I would imagine its a matter of time before the homicide rate goes up because of these establishments.

Nothin' the matter with a bar-hooch, it's what a lot of good women used to be :buddies:

*fixed*:killingme

The reason that places like that are allowed to exist is because the County Liquor Control Board and the County Commissioners allow it. The fire Marshals office allows it. Its the reason that week after week these "holes in the wall become increasingly more violent with large brawls involving weapons, shootings, stabbings, etc. are allowed to occur. My guess? The owner pays off someone in the county, and the politicians/police smile and nod.... taking a few disorderlies to jail here and there. But something they forgot, is that most of the violent clubs in DC/PG were shut down leaving not many places to go and "raise hell" anymore. Someone of DC area's most violent are making that drive right into Good Ole St. Mary's County, and you better believe that their lifestyle and values have not changed because they crossed the county line. I would imagine its a matter of time before the homicide rate goes up because of these establishments.

No, I don't think so. Any bar, any place can have someone who has had too much to drink and starts crap. The majority of people just want to have some fun and the bad ones can ruin it for everybody. I don't believe the "bar owners" pay off someone in the county. That's a bad accusation. I personally know 3 of the owners and they are upset this is happening.

No, I don't think so. Any bar, any place can have someone who has had too much to drink and starts crap. The majority of people just want to have some fun and the bad ones can ruin it for everybody. I don't believe the "bar owners" pay off someone in the county. That's a bad accusation. I personally know 3 of the owners and they are upset this is happening.

Exactly.

Don't forget that restaurants attract men exposing themselves

Where is this amazing restraunt you speek of.

An amazing accusation? Everything in Southern Maryland revolves around money and connections, you should know this by now! I hold bar owners accountable because most do not have a ban book in place to keep the ones who have been ejected from coming back. If they had a book or system in place that tracked people who had already been ejected, when they returned to the property, it would simply take either a police officer or an employee of the establishment the stroke of a pen to go to the commissioner and obtain a trespassing warrant. The ones causing the fights are usually the ones who do this week after week after week, who are let in repeatedly because their boy works as a bouncer or whatever only to have the same outcome at some point throughout the night. I hold bar owners accountable for providing an establishment who doesn't "cut off" individuals who are too drunk etc. I hold the owners accountable because they have poor lighting, inadequete security, no patdown policies at the door often allowing individuals who are armed into the establishments (a fistfight turns into a stabbing, or shooting). They just want to make that quick buck, but don't want to pay for the cost what it truely takes to make a place safe. Most low lifes know the part time security out front wont lock you up for DUI or fighting. .... most of the cops sitting there are collecting that money and headed home at the end of the night. Thats why I blame them for the situation created.

My guess? The owner pays off someone in the county, and the politicians/police smile and nod.... s.

Your guess would be not even close.

Signed: Former owner of one of the larger of the "original" St. Mary's bars.

An amazing accusation? Everything in Southern Maryland revolves around money and connections, you should know this by now! I hold bar owners accountable because most do not have a ban book in place to keep the ones who have been ejected from coming back. They do. It is hung behind the barstool that the bouncer sits at by the front door.If they had a book or system in place that tracked people who had already been ejected, when they returned to the property, it would simply take either a police officer or an employee of the establishment the stroke of a pen to go to the commissioner and obtain a trespassing warrant. The ones causing the fights are usually the ones who do this week after week after week, who are let in repeatedly because their boy works as a bouncer or whatever only to have the same outcome at some point throughout the night. From what I've been told, this is not the case.I hold bar owners accountable for providing an establishment who doesn't "cut off" individuals who are too drunk etc. I hold the owners accountable because they have poor lighting That poor lighting in St. Mary's County bars assists with the growing population, inadequete security, no patdown policies at the door In a rinky small county bar, really? often allowing individuals who are armed into the establishments (a fistfight turns into a stabbing, or shooting). They just want to make that quick buck, but don't want to pay for the cost what it truely takes to make a place safe. Most low lifes know the part time security out front wont lock you up for DUI since when is it the security's job to give a DUI? Hell, since when can they actually do that? That's the police's job.or fighting. .... most of the cops sitting there are collecting that money and headed home at the end of the night NOT true and I know this for a fact. I've seen them pull people over. How many cops' shifts end at 2am?. Thats why I blame them for the situation created.Blame the ####ing idiots that do not know how to handle their alcohol, not the bar, security, or police!

:rolleyes:

An amazing accusation? Everything in Southern Maryland revolves around money and connections, you should know this by now! I hold bar owners accountable because most do not have a ban book in place to keep the ones who have been ejected from coming back. If they had a book or system in place that tracked people who had already been ejected, when they returned to the property, it would simply take either a police officer or an employee of the establishment the stroke of a pen to go to the commissioner and obtain a trespassing warrant. The ones causing the fights are usually the ones who do this week after week after week, who are let in repeatedly because their boy works as a bouncer or whatever only to have the same outcome at some point throughout the night. I hold bar owners accountable for providing an establishment who doesn't "cut off" individuals who are too drunk etc. I hold the owners accountable because they have poor lighting, inadequete security, no patdown policies at the door often allowing individuals who are armed into the establishments (a fistfight turns into a stabbing, or shooting). They just want to make that quick buck, but don't want to pay for the cost what it truely takes to make a place safe. Most low lifes know the part time security out front wont lock you up for DUI or fighting. .... most of the cops sitting there are collecting that money and headed home at the end of the night. Thats why I blame them for the situation created.

And what responsibility rests with the trouble-maker? Do you ever eat at a restaurant that serves alcohol? How would you take it if everytime you went to a restaurant, you had to subject yourself to being patted-down? After all, a bar is a bar, whether it be in a small corner joint, or a family restaurant. You think people don't get drunk and become loud and obnoxious in restaurants? If that is what you believe, you really don't get out much, do you?

An amazing accusation? Everything in Southern Maryland revolves around money and connections, you should know this by now! I hold bar owners accountable because most do not have a ban book in place to keep the ones who have been ejected from coming back. If they had a book or system in place that tracked people who had already been ejected, when they returned to the property, it would simply take either a police officer or an employee of the establishment the stroke of a pen to go to the commissioner and obtain a trespassing warrant. The ones causing the fights are usually the ones who do this week after week after week, who are let in repeatedly because their boy works as a bouncer or whatever only to have the same outcome at some point throughout the night. I hold bar owners accountable for providing an establishment who doesn't "cut off" individuals who are too drunk etc. I hold the owners accountable because they have poor lighting, inadequete security, no patdown policies at the door often allowing individuals who are armed into the establishments (a fistfight turns into a stabbing, or shooting). They just want to make that quick buck, but don't want to pay for the cost what it truely takes to make a place safe. Most low lifes know the part time security out front wont lock you up for DUI or fighting. .... most of the cops sitting there are collecting that money and headed home at the end of the night. Thats why I blame them for the situation created.

That reminds me, I remember that the old Happyland Club in Callaway had a walk-through metal detector installed just inside the front door. Just like the ones used at the airport. That had to cost a pretty penny.

That reminds me, I remember that the old Happyland Club in Callaway had a walk-through metal detector installed just inside the front door. Just like the ones used at the airport. That had to cost a pretty penny.

It was a fake. They just had a guy that stood by it and pushed a button to sound the buzzer anytime someone suspicious walked in.

It was a fake. They just had a guy that stood by it and pushed a button to sound the buzzer anytime someone suspicious walked in.

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An amazing accusation? Everything in Southern Maryland revolves around money and connections, you should know this by now! I hold bar owners accountable because most do not have a ban book in place to keep the ones who have been ejected from coming back. If they had a book or system in place that tracked people who had already been ejected, when they returned to the property, it would simply take either a police officer or an employee of the establishment the stroke of a pen to go to the commissioner and obtain a trespassing warrant. The ones causing the fights are usually the ones who do this week after week after week, who are let in repeatedly because their boy works as a bouncer or whatever only to have the same outcome at some point throughout the night. I hold bar owners accountable for providing an establishment who doesn't "cut off" individuals who are too drunk etc. I hold the owners accountable because they have poor lighting, inadequete security, no patdown policies at the door often allowing individuals who are armed into the establishments (a fistfight turns into a stabbing, or shooting). They just want to make that quick buck, but don't want to pay for the cost what it truely takes to make a place safe. Most low lifes know the part time security out front wont lock you up for DUI or fighting. .... most of the cops sitting there are collecting that money and headed home at the end of the night. Thats why I blame them for the situation created.

I didn't say it was an "amazing" accusation. I said it was a "bad" one.

What responsibility rests with the trouble maker? I'd say a good portion. But it's always the responsibility of the sober ones who have the power to intervene when poor decision making is being made especially at a bar. Alcohol control boards are often the deciding point in who gets license and who doesn't. They have the ability to put places on probation, revoke or suspend liquor license and hold hearings.

To simply state that the owners, police/security or bartenders are off the hook when every weekend is a weekend of violence at their bars is completely irresponsible. Perhaps they should go to the "New PG County Standard." You have a shooting? Your shut down. You have violence? Your club/bar is closed. Guarantee that owners will take security more seriously, even if it requires hiring 20 police officers to make sure everyone can drink in a safe and secure enviroment. Under the new standard up there, people fight, brawl, tear stuff up, get caught serving under age patrons liquor, they get shut down. Just ask the owner of the Thirsty Turtle in College Park or MSG night club, ask them how it feels to be shut down. Once bar owners and patrons realize the county isn't going to allow good ole boys and ghetto boys to brawl weekly in the parking lot, they will go elsewhere to party and raise hell.

Sometimes its better to take in slow and steady revenue than try for that wild violent quick buck. The turtle always beats the hare.

What responsibility rests with the trouble maker? I'd say a good portion. But it's always the responsibility of the sober ones who have the power to intervene when poor decision making is being made especially at a bar. Alcohol control boards are often the deciding point in who gets license and who doesn't. They have the ability to put places on probation, revoke or suspend liquor license and hold hearings.

To simply state that the owners, police/security or bartenders are off the hook when every weekend is a weekend of violence at their bars is completely irresponsible. Perhaps they should go to the "New PG County Standard." You have a shooting? Your shut down. You have violence? Your club/bar is closed. Guarantee that owners will take security more seriously, even if it requires hiring 20 police officers to make sure everyone can drink in a safe and secure enviroment. Under the new standard up there, people fight, brawl, tear stuff up, get caught serving under age patrons liquor, they get shut down. Just ask the owner of the Thirsty Turtle in College Park or MSG night club, ask them how it feels to be shut down. Once bar owners and patrons realize the county isn't going to allow good ole boys and ghetto boys to brawl weekly in the parking lot, they will go elsewhere to party and raise hell.

Sometimes its better to take in slow and steady revenue than try for that wild violent quick buck. The turtle always beats the hare.

I believe the sober ones are intervening. Security breaks up the fight, asks the fighting parties to go. If the situation gets worse, the cops are called. Seems the brawl broke out before the cops got there. I wasn't there, so I don't know, but this seems logical. What part don't you understand that the owner does not want this type of situation in their bar? I believe in that 99% of the owners in St. Mary's are responsible owners and do not encourage this type of crap. I can think of one that didn't who had his place shut down a few years back.

some of these situations escalate in a 'hare' of a second....no matter how much intervention..In other words 'sh*t happens'

Once bar owners and patrons realize the county isn't going to allow good ole boys and ghetto boys to brawl weekly in the parking lot, they will go elsewhere to party and raise hell.

So, what bars, specifically, are involved in this epidemic of weekly violence of which you speak?

So, what bars, specifically, are involved in this epidemic of weekly violence of which you speak?

:yeahthat: The only bar that I know of that has frequent violence is The Lexington. If you take a look at their location and patrons it's pretty clear why they've had some many incidents there.

I don't even like Dew Drop, but I don't think they are "paying off" people to stay open or encouraging this type of behavior. I imagine this extra fighting will actually hurt their business for a time being since many people don't like being at places where so much craziness is happening. I'm sure that the owners don't like that.

Back when I actually went to bars Dew Drop did have a list on the wall of people who were banned. I don't know if they were still doing that or how comprehensive it was... Also, if there was a ban book the bouncers would have to check every ID against it everytime someone came it. That would be time consuming and could cause ridiculous wait times turning people away. And how do you know who the trouble makers are; most of the time in bar fights the bouncer's job is just to get the trouble maker out of there. Do you think the trouble maker is just going to hand over their ID for the bouncer to look at knowing they will be banned?

I think the problem is the age group and other demographics that are attracted there. There aren't that many places that have DJ's in St. Mary's County and Dew Drop is one of them. Sometimes people just want to go out and dance and that's the only place for 20-somethings to do it. This is what probably leads to some of the less desirable clientle. Its for the most part younger kids who don't have as much at stake that are more likely to fight. If you have a good job that helps pay for your wife and kids, you're not going to be as likely to risk losing it by getting in a fight and then risk your wife kicking your ass because of it. Its sad that there can't be a place for people do dance because these places almost always have the most fights.

So, what bars, specifically, are involved in this epidemic of weekly violence of which you speak?

I'm wondering that myself.

Ok so let's all go to Calvert and start fights at the bars on Solomons. Problem solved.

:yeahthat: The only bar that I know of that has frequent violence is The Lexington. If you take a look at their location and patrons it's pretty clear why they've had some many incidents there.

There was another incident recently at the Dew and yet again, more pepper spray. It's only a matter of time before something REAL serious happens.

There was another incident recently at the Dew and yet again, more pepper spray. It's only a matter of time before something REAL serious happens.

Link?

There is a quick update about the fact police were there on the Southern Maryland Newsnet facebook page, but no real information. I haven't seen any real information any where else.

Link?

No idea why the incidents are never in the local news

That place is a dump... End of story!

There was another incident recently at the Dew and yet again, more pepper spray. It's only a matter of time before something REAL serious happens.

Like more recently than this past Saturday?

Well regardless of what does and doesn't make the censored news media in Somd I have personally seen bars get out of hand in all 3 counties. I've seen police go riot style and kick everyone off Solomons Island after major fights broke out at the tiki bar opening. I've seen fights at the dew drop, there was a fight at that one in Mechanicsville a few months ago that caused deputies from Charles County to respond into St. Mary's because of the incident. Im sure the tiki bar paid out the hundreds of thousands in costs to pay police overtime, pay for the MSP command vehicle operation, pay the costs of destruction and disruption to the community that the bar has caused (not likely). Simply put, the owners get rich while that whole community suffers. What a place to live.

Fights are caused by 2 things. Over consumption of alcohol, and the perception that a patron can get away with what he/she is doing due to the lack of adequete security. Studies have shown that if you have a police officer, security guard, military member and he looks squared away, to the point where you really feel your going to get your ass kicked, you are less likely to challenge that person. But you add alcohol to the situation, and a few overweight slouchy cornfed goons, the guy amped up on caffeinated booze really feels and probably can take the "goons" at the door.

The dew drop is merely a prime example of an ever expanding problem in SoMd. Whether it be the crowd, the booze, the lack of security, whatever, it just seems that the same people who fight go from bar to bar to bar every weekend and are allowed in, they get trashed and raise hell. To say that a ban book can't be digitalized to ensure that those already ejected aren't allowed back is laziness on the bars part. Metal detectors and patdowns are definately a start. You'd be suprised how many people turn and run for the hills once they see police are frisking patrons at the door... to put away their contraband. Just because it doesn't make the news simply means nobody has been killed yet. Im quite sure that a federal lawsuit against the bar owner for the mismanagement that i've listed will probably occur once someone is killed as a result of the fight at the bar. But thats what lawyers and insurance is for right guys?

The dew drop is merely a prime example of an ever expanding problem in SoMd. ?

I asked this earlier...you didn't answer it: So, what bars, specifically, are involved in this epidemic of weekly violence of which you speak?

And were you even living in St. Mary's 20-30 years ago? Talk about a different bar scene...and so many more of them to pick from too.:buddies:

I can tell you know little of real substance about the topic you are so fascinated by simply by your "rich bar owners" reference. If owning a bar even kept one from the poorhouse, I'd still own mine...it having one of the most expansive ligour license that ever existed in St. MAry's county in terms of number of serving areas, inside and out.

My bar manager kept a neat record of who was banned and all the staff wre always aware of who was on the list. Standard procedure for most bars.

I had mixed luck with "bouncers" and you'll hear that from a lot of bar owners. Bouncers too often tend to attract - even sometimes instigate - more negative attention and responses.

You want to make a million dollars in the bar business? Start out with 2 million dollars.:killingme