VIDEO: Man Bullies Chick-Fil-A Employee Over Gay Marriage Issue (http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/08/01/Water-With-A-Purpose-Man-Pointlessly-Harasses%20-Chick-Fil-A-Employee-Over-Gay-marriage-Issue)

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Man videos himself confronting a fast food worker on social political issues

:deadhorse:

VIDEO: Man Bullies Chick-Fil-A Employee Over Gay Marriage Issue (http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/08/01/Water-With-A-Purpose-Man-Pointlessly-Harasses%20-Chick-Fil-A-Employee-Over-Gay-marriage-Issue)

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Man videos himself confronting a fast food worker on social political issues

He probably realized how stupid he was being.

Not to worry....it is up on youtube!
Alleged UofAZ prof and medical supplier CFO Bullies Chik-fil-a clerk - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jg-jzlWcc0E)
and they say they have contacts for him on the page you listed.....

VIDEO: Man Bullies Chick-Fil-A Employee Over Gay Marriage Issue (http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/08/01/Water-With-A-Purpose-Man-Pointlessly-Harasses%20-Chick-Fil-A-Employee-Over-Gay-marriage-Issue)

[pussy has removed the video from youtube]

Man videos himself confronting a fast food worker on social political issues

I figured someone would have grabbed it, and get the video back up

Not to worry....it is up on youtube!
Alleged UofAZ prof and medical supplier CFO Bullies Chik-fil-a clerk - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jg-jzlWcc0E)
and they say they have contacts for him on the page you listed.....

What a ######!! Big pussy he is to harass a young girl.

My bung started cringe, had to turn it off. Why bash her?

My bung started cringe, had to turn it off. Why bash her?Because he's a queer coward.

Now the "I'm not gay" is unemployed!

In other news, apparently Mr. Smith's employer did not appreciate his asshattery ..

TUCSON, AZ-- (Aug 2, 2012) - Vante regrets the unfortunate events that transpired yesterday in Tucson between our former CFO/Treasurer Adam Smith and an employee at Chick-fil-A. Effective immediately, Mr. Smith is no longer an employee of our company.

Now the queer is unemployed!
CFO/Treasurer? Ooooooh, sounds like he'll regret that forever $$$$$$$$

Good for the clerk, it would have taken everything in me to not make sure he wore that free water.

Good for the clerk, it would have taken everything in me to not make sure he wore that free water.

I was really expecting that super-size cup to end upside down in his lap too. She showed a superhuman level of restraint (plus it was obvious she was aware there was a camera in her face).

What an amazingly gargantuan ####weasel that guy is.




Boo-frickity-hoo, you work for an evil corporation that promotes hate... THAT'S WHY I HATE YOU!


Dick.

What an amazingly gargantuan ####weasel that guy is.




Boo-frickity-hoo, you work for an evil corporation that promotes hate... THAT'S WHY I HATE YOU!


Dick.

I'll bet we have a few on the forums that are just like him.

We need a strangle smiley!

This guy should have thought it through more of what he was about to do; thinking he was being an obamalam, or being so cool voicing his opinion to an innocent employee. I think of it as like what some members say on this forum; think about what you are posting before you hit that submit button! Believe me, I have taken that advice to heart! :lol:

Now the queer is unemployed!

Vante of Tucson, AZ Regrets Actions of Former CFO (http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/vante-of-tucson-az-regrets-actions-of-former-cfo-1686870.htm)

Full press release link

Lol dude deleted his LinkedIn profile too

Vante of Tucson, AZ Regrets Actions of Former CFO (http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/vante-of-tucson-az-regrets-actions-of-former-cfo-1686870.htm)

Full press release link

Yep

Vante regrets the unfortunate events that transpired yesterday in Tucson between our former CFO/Treasurer Adam Smith and an employee at Chick-fil-A. Effective immediately, Mr. Smith is no longer an employee of our company.

Vante of Tucson, AZ Regrets Actions of Former CFO (http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/vante-of-tucson-az-regrets-actions-of-former-cfo-1686870.htm)

Full press release link

Lol dude deleted his LinkedIn profile too

:doh:

:lmao:

:yahoo:

From the video:
I just did something really good. I feel purposeful.




I wonder how purposeful he'll feel when he wakes up tomorrow morning and doesn't have anywhere he has to be.

From the video:
I just did something really good. I feel purposeful.

I wonder how purposeful he'll feel when he wakes up tomorrow morning and doesn't have anywhere he has to be.

He's still a liberal professor in some for-profit on-line school in Tucson (or someplace like that).

He's still a liberal professor in some for-profit on-line school in Tucson (or someplace like that).


Well there you go. He still has a purpose beyond going around ####ing with people trying to get through their day and make ends meet. Huzzah for him.


Of course, I'll enjoy some lulz if he loses that job too for acting like a ####.

Resume Vante (medical device manufacturer) Tucson, AZ 2010 (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:rCXPntok83QJ:http://finance.eller.arizona.edu/documents/facultyvitae/ASmithResume.pdf%2Btucson+az+adam+smith+resume&hl=en&safe=off&client=safari&tbo=d&nota=1&biw=1024&bih=644&gs_l=serp.3...43906.46096.0.46867.7.2.0.5.0.0.142.219.1j1.2.0...0.0...1ac.sctITkvYxpU&ct=clnk)

Well there you go. He still has a purpose beyond going around ####ing with people trying to get through their day and make ends meet. Huzzah for him.

Of course, I'll enjoy some lulz if he loses that job too for acting like a ####.

Would love to see the economics professor leaning out the McDonald's drive up window.

The girl at CFA did a good job...I would have given him his free water but I would have served him a special cup of water that I just launched a lugie in....OH, under the ice with a lid so he couldn't find it until he finished his free water...

CFO/Treasurer? Ooooooh, sounds like he'll regret that forever $$$$$$$$

Hope they fill the position with a straight guy that donates to moral charities and causes.

The girl at CFA did a good job...I would have given him his free water but I would have served him a special cup of water that I just launched a lugie in....OH, under the ice with a lid so he couldn't find it until he finished his free water...

I just got a mental picture of that guy sucking up a big lugie in his straw, normally, I would be vomiting by now, but it was actually a funny mental picture. :killingme

I sent him a text, he hasn't replied yet :ohwell:

I sent him a text, he hasn't replied yet :ohwell:

You have his number...I think we all should send him a text....:lmao:

You have his number...I think we all should send him a text....:lmao:

It's on his resume that I posted earlier.

It's on his resume that I posted earlier.

I believe he knows that. What he suggested is to send him a text message (one of those things your cellular provider charges you for no matter how many people send you incendiary flaming messages until you give up and beg the phone company to give you a new number, and of course another two year contract).

What did he do wrong , he never called her a name or cursed her.He was polite compare him with the responses here and is a gentelman.:patriot::patriot::patriot:

What did he do wrong , he never called her a name or cursed her.He was polite compare him with the responses here and is a gentelman.:patriot::patriot::patriot:

Come on, Giant! You call him a gentleman when he a bullied an employee that can make no comments; she was the "gentlewoman". He should have been calling CFA corporate headquarters to voice his opinion. No, sorry, he is no gentleman; just a weenie that goes through the drive-thru to voice his opinion, so then he can speed off after spewing his "hate". I hope it was worth it to him considering his situation today! There is such a thing as protocol and procedure. :smile:

Come on, Giant! You call him a gentleman when he a bullied an employee that can make no comments; she was the "gentlewoman". He should have been calling CFA corporate headquarters to voice his opinion. No, sorry, he is no gentleman; just a weenie that goes through the drive-thru to voice his opinion, so then he can speed off after spewing his "hate". I hope it was worth it to him considering his situation today! There is such a thing as protocol and procedure. :smile:


The owner brought this on the employees himself,and if you really think that is bullying then you are sadly mistaken

The owner brought this on the employees himself,and if you really think that is bullying then you are sadly mistaken

The owner brought nothing on himself; if anything, he innocently brought a huge increase in his business because he voiced his opinion, which is legal in America. That was bullying, plain and simple, because he was talking to the wrong person, who has no power to change anything. He is a weenie because, otherwise, he would have taken his "beef" to the big guys. Why didn't he just go protest with those students he kept saying were going to protest! He failed, and screwed up his life; was it worth it?

What did he do wrong , he never called her a name or cursed her.He was polite compare him with the responses here and is a gentelman.:patriot::patriot::patriot:

What did the CEO of CFA do wrong?
Never called anyone a name, or cursed them, He was polite compared to the responses from the gay lovers here and in the news.
He was a perfect gentleman.


p.s.
Its Gentleman, not gentelman.

The owner brought nothing on himself; if anything, he innocently brought a huge increase in his business because he voiced his opinion, which is legal in America. That was bullying, plain and simple, because he was talking to the wrong person, who has no power to change anything. He is a weenie because, otherwise, he would have taken his "beef" to the big guys. Why didn't he just go protest with those students he kept saying were going to protest! He failed, and screwed up his life; was it worth it?

Hearing that he was fired certainly brought a smile to my face,
in that respect, I think it was worth it. I know I'm not the only one he brought joy to.

I sent him a text, he hasn't replied yet :ohwell:
I did too!! :lmao:

He probably realized how stupid he was being.

Doubtful

Tucson exec loses job over anti-Chick-fil-A rant in drive-thru (http://azstarnet.com/news/local/article_f8cefeec-dcf5-11e1-8b88-001a4bcf887a.html#.UBsON4EQoBM.twitter)


Roger Vogel, Chairman, President and CEO of Vante, said the decision for Smith to step down was mutual. Vogel said he was “shocked” by the video, which he first discovered when people emailed him a link.

“We obviously found it very disturbing,” Vogel said. “We respect everybody’s ability to share their opinions in the public square and we have a very diverse workforce with a diverse set of opinions. We expect employees to behave in a professional manner that’s commensurate with their positions, and discuss their opinions in a civil fashion. ... We thought what he did was inappropriate.”

Vogel said the company has no stance on the gay marriage issue but has always hade a “good relationship” with Chick-fil-A. He said the company will consider contacting the employee Smith ambushed in an attempt to mend fences.

Doubtful

Wonder if he'll post the video from tomorrow when's he's there for the sit in.

The owner brought nothing on himself; if anything, he innocently brought a huge increase in his business because he voiced his opinion, which is legal in America. That was bullying, plain and simple, because he was talking to the wrong person, who has no power to change anything. He is a weenie because, otherwise, he would have taken his "beef" to the big guys. Why didn't he just go protest with those students he kept saying were going to protest! He failed, and screwed up his life; was it worth it?

This is his new hero, and hope someday to be as big a man as this guy was. You will never convince him otherwise.

Just another intolerant azzhole that expects everyone to set their morals and values aside to accept his, but does not in any way shape or form think he should be half as tolerant of others..

A bigot by any other name...

I think if the clerk sees this video on youtube, she'll probably wish she has dumped that water in his lap, should have been mostly ice. She did good though, kept her composure, it just sucks that one creep like this could probably ruin someone's day. I hope the next person in line was extra nice and erased from her mind this d-bag.

We need a strangle smiley!


Awesome smiley!! That's going in the batch! :yay:

Now the "I'm not gay" is unemployed!

I so love a happy ending. :sniff:

What did he do wrong , he never called her a name or cursed her.He was polite compare him with the responses here and is a gentelman.

Kiss my ass.

Awesome smiley!! That's going in the batch! :yay: Glad you liked the smiley, and it is already in the smiley line up! Please don't name it after me, or use it on me first! :lol:

Kiss my ass.


....hope he sues and not only gets his job back but some cash too:yahoo:

....hope he sues and not only gets his job back but some cash too:yahoo:Yea that'll happen. :killingme

The pussy got what he deserved!

....hope he sues and not only gets his job back but some cash too:yahoo:

Read the article he stepped down. Unfortunately I'm sure that came with a nice chunk of change.

What did he do wrong , he never called her a name or cursed her.He was polite compare him with the responses here and is a gentelman.:patriot::patriot::patriot:

He was polite? You have a deranged sense of what’s polite. If he had a complaint about what Chick Fil-A was doing he should have, at minimum, talked to management. Going after the poor window clerk was really brave and sent such a resounding message. :rolleyes:

The guy was a coward. He chose to go through the drive-thru so he wouldn’t have to face the crowd inside. He knows exactly what would have happened if he had done this inside the place.

Wonder if he'll post the video from tomorrow when's he's there for the sit in.

You ever notice its always the unemployed liberals that seem to have time for sit ins.
He is no different.

Okay, I finally watched the video. My suggestion is that this person wasn't fired for his CFA screed in particular, but because he is a mental case in general. That whole video was disturbing. He certainly watched it before he posted it online, and even then didn't seem to realize what a loon he comes off as.

And when he says he feels he has purpose now because he screwed CFA out of a 2-cent cup of water.....that's a messed up individual.

Okay, I finally watched the video. My suggestion is that this person wasn't fired for his CFA screed in particular, but because he is a mental case in general. That whole video was disturbing. He certainly watched it before he posted it online, and even then didn't seem to realize what a loon he comes off as.

And when he says he feels he has purpose now because he screwed CFA out of a 2-cent cup of water.....that's a messed up individual.

My question... why would someone sit in a drive thru line for free water? That in itself is crazy.

I wonder if he will come out with a public apology after he discovers that no other company will touch him..

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What did he do wrong , he never called her a name or cursed her.He was polite compare him with the responses here and is a gentelman.:patriot::patriot::patriot:

He was polite? You have a deranged sense of what’s polite. If he had a complaint about what Chick Fil-A was doing he should have, at minimum, talked to management. Going after the poor window clerk was really brave and sent such a resounding message. :rolleyes:

The guy was a coward. He chose to go through the drive-thru so he wouldn’t have to face the crowd inside. He knows exactly what would have happened if he had done this inside the place.

Exactly what would have happened if he had gone inside?

I finally watched the vid too, and the guy is a royal douche. His rant was pretty weak and probably should have been directed at management, but he was exercising his right to free speech. The people there supporting free speech should be ok with that, right?

Too bad this did not happen in the people's republic of Md., could he go to jail for audio recording the girl then posting it without her permission?

Too bad this did not happen in the people's republic of Md., could he go to jail for audio recording the girl then posting it without her permission?Only if Katelin sees it.

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Exactly what would have happened if he had gone inside? Other folks would have exercised their First Amendment rights and called him a royal douche, probably in loud voices.

I finally watched the vid too, and the guy is a royal douche. His rant was pretty weak and probably should have been directed at management, but he was exercising his right to free speech. The people there supporting free speech should be ok with that, right? He can say what he wants, make an azz of himself and be ridiculed for it! And when it's all said and done, get fired!

What an idiot! Even thatguy wouldn't be so foolish (I hope).

And Poof...the arsehole is now unemployed. :buddies::yahoo:

Vante of Tucson, AZ Regrets Actions of Former CFO (http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/vante-of-tucson-az-regrets-actions-of-former-cfo-1686870.htm)

And Poof...the arsehole is now unemployed. :buddies::yahoo:

Vante of Tucson, AZ Regrets Actions of Former CFO (http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/vante-of-tucson-az-regrets-actions-of-former-cfo-1686870.htm)
im guessing you only read the first post lol

My question... why would someone sit in a drive thru line for free water? That in itself is crazy.

He didn't. He sat in the drive through line so that he could harrass the girl at the window.

Now the "I'm not gay" is unemployed!

Vante of Tucson, AZ Regrets Actions of Former CFO (http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/vante-of-tucson-az-regrets-actions-of-former-cfo-1686870.htm)

Full press release link

Lol dude deleted his LinkedIn profile too

Tucson exec loses job over anti-Chick-fil-A rant in drive-thru (http://azstarnet.com/news/local/article_f8cefeec-dcf5-11e1-8b88-001a4bcf887a.html#.UBsON4EQoBM.twitter)

And Poof...the arsehole is now unemployed. :buddies::yahoo:

Vante of Tucson, AZ Regrets Actions of Former CFO (http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/vante-of-tucson-az-regrets-actions-of-former-cfo-1686870.htm)


Does anyone know if this guy still has his job?

Does anyone know if this guy still has his job?

I texted him and asked him but he hasn't gotten back to me yet...

Does anyone know if this guy still has his job?

This is what the company's website said

Vante regrets the unfortunate events that transpired yesterday in Tucson between our former CFO/Treasurer Adam Smith and an employee at Chick-fil-A. Effective immediately, Mr. Smith is no longer an employee of our company.

:whoosh:This is what the company's website said

:whoosh:

guess I missed something, been out for a few hours and only read the last page, don't stone me :killingme

guess I missed something, been out for a few hours and only read the last page, don't stone me :killingme

Read the post you responded to. :buddies:

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Exactly what would have happened if he had gone inside? Other folks would have exercised their First Amendment rights and called him a royal douche, probably in loud voices.

I finally watched the vid too, and the guy is a royal douche. His rant was pretty weak and probably should have been directed at management, but he was exercising his right to free speech. The people there supporting free speech should be ok with that, right? He can say what he wants, make an azz of himself and be ridiculed for it! And when it's all said and done, get fired!

What an idiot! Even thatguy wouldn't be so foolish (I hope).

I don't have a dog in this fight, I wouldn't eat at CFA or boycott CFA over this issue. It's pretty stupid in general if you ask me. But no one has answered my question. What exactly do you think would have happened if he went inside and made the same statements? You obviously have some notion that you are hinting at.....

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I don't have a dog in this fight, I wouldn't eat at CFA or boycott CFA over this issue. It's pretty stupid in general if you ask me. But no one has answered my question. What exactly do you think would have happened if he went inside and made the same statements? You obviously have some notion that you are hinting at.....

Generally, bullies are scared of confrontation with anyone but their victim. It appears that he lacked the courage to go inside and do this because others in the crowd would have confronted him over it.

I doubt he would have gotten beaten or anything, but it is very likely that others would have interceded. When confronted, he most likely would have run away like the coward he appears to be.

Generally, bullies are scared of confrontation with anyone but their victim. It appears that he lacked the courage to go inside and do this because others in the crowd would have confronted him over it.

I doubt he would have gotten beaten or anything, but it is very likely that others would have interceded. When confronted, he most likely would have run away like the coward he appears to be.

The most that would have happened is that the people behind him would have asked that he move on and let the line start flowing again.
at that point, the outcome would have been totally up to him.

The people there supporting free speech should be ok with that, right?


You're absolutely right.

He has every right to do what he did.

Personally, I am not a big fan of harrassing people who are just trying to get through their work day with a modicum of dignity and I'm sure that nobody ever went to his (former) office and heckled him while he's trying to sell Bi-paps are whatever the #### his company deals with, but sure he has the right to do it.




We have laws that specifically protect one's right to be an uttlerly worthless bag of pulpy used douche.

That girl should be the poster child for Chick-Fil-A, the way she remained polite and professional - "Have a nice day, sir. Thank you for stopping by." Did you notice the girl next to her watching the show and trying not to crack up laughing?

:lol:

The people there supporting free speech should be ok with that, right?

Wait, are you trying to say that what the Founding Fathers meant by "free speech" was the right to browbeat and harass random citizens to further their own political agenda?

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The people there supporting free speech should be ok with that, right?


You're absolutely right.

He has every right to do what he did.

Personally, I am not a big fan of harrassing people who are just trying to get through their work day with a modicum of dignity and I'm sure that nobody ever went to his (former) office and heckled him while he's trying to sell Bi-paps are whatever the #### his company deals with, but sure he has the right to do it.




We have laws that specifically protect one's right to be an uttlerly worthless bag of pulpy used douche.

My thoughts exactly.

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The people there supporting free speech should be ok with that, right?

Wait, are you trying to say that what the Founding Fathers meant by "free speech" was the right to browbeat and harass random citizens to further their own political agenda?

I am pretty sure they had *******s back then too.

I am pretty sure they had *******s back then too.

What does that have to do with my question?

The most that would have happened is that the people behind him would have asked that he move on and let the line start flowing again.
at that point, the outcome would have been totally up to him.
He would have been escorted out by more than one person if he had been in the Waldorf store. I'd have had a couple of CCSO offficers there within minutes to help. Of course a little exaggeration of the facts would get them there quicker...
That girl should be the poster child for Chick-Fil-A, the way she remained polite and professional - "Have a nice day, sir. Thank you for stopping by." Did you notice the girl next to her watching the show and trying not to crack up laughing?
:lol:
She did her job perfectly! I would have said: Sir, is that all you want to order? Please pull up to the window then shut him off w/o another word. Idiots like him usually stop when their audience is gone.

Wait, are you trying to say that what the Founding Fathers meant by "free speech" was the right to browbeat and harass random citizens to further their own political agenda?

Im not too sure that the main thing the founding fathers were trying to do with the free speech thing, was to make sure the citizens had the right to speak out against the government.
When you are trying to figure out what they were trying to protect against, you have to look at where they came from. And, at the time, speaking publicly against the government would have been reason for them to be arrested.

Im not totally sold on the theory that it gives the right to harrass people in the street, or as in this case, in the window of a drive through.
The girl should sue him for
1) posting her on video without her consent. What if she was trying to keep some crazy ex from finding her or something?
2) causing her mental distress that could prevent her from working that window in the future.
3) being an ass hole.

fairly certain a jury would award her big bucks based on any of the above, mostly on the posting her video without consent.

Wait, are you trying to say that what the Founding Fathers meant by "free speech" was the right to browbeat and harass random citizens to further their own political agenda?

And now he has a lot more time to go practice his favorite form of free speech too.:killingme

And say...CFO is usually a pretty well paid position, last I checked. Maybe he can get a job at a fast food joint to tide him over.:whistle:

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I am pretty sure they had *******s back then too.

What does that have to do with my question?

It means that the ammendment is writen the way it is, and I don't see any exceptions to the freedom of speech clause. Also, historically the courts have held that offensive speech is protected.

And now he has a lot more time to go practice his favorite form of free speech too.:killingme

And say...CFO is usually a pretty well paid position, last I checked. Maybe he can get a job at a fast food joint to tide him over.:whistle:

I think that due to an expected increase in sales, Chick-Fil-A is hiring drivethru workers.
I bet he can apply there.

I think that due to an expected increase in sales, Chick-Fil-A is hiring drivethru workers.
I bet he can apply there.

He can truthfully answer "yes" to the question on the job app about whether or not he has any experience interacting in a drive-thru sales environment.

It means that the ammendment is writen the way it is, and I don't see any exceptions to the freedom of speech clause. Also, historically the courts have held that offensive speech is protected.

So you're saying that someone has a right, under the Constitution, to harass and bully someone else in order to further their political agenda?

That question only requires a yes or no.

So you're saying that someone has a right, under the Constitution, to harass and bully someone else in order to further their political agenda?

That question only requires a yes or no.
Yes, and sometimes the SEIU busses in (or hires on the spot) hundreds of them to make their point.

So you're saying that someone has a right, under the Constitution, to harass and bully someone else in order to further their political agenda?

That question only requires a yes or no.

Yes. WBC is a case in point.

Personally, I think that along with freedom of speech should come with the individual right to react to that speech and kick their ass.

If you want to use speech that incites anger and rage, you should also be willing to reap what you sow.

So you're saying that someone has a right, under the Constitution, to harass and bully someone else in order to further their political agenda?

That question only requires a yes or no.

its not that easy, the answer would have to be a yes and a no.
Yes, liberals can harass and bully someone in order to further their political agenda.

no, conservatives have to hold their thoughts becuase if they say what they are thinking, they are hateful fear mongering agenda driven homophobes and the only recourse is to take them to court and sue them to teach them a lesson.

I thought you understood these things.

So you're saying that someone has a right, under the Constitution, to harass and bully someone else in order to further their political agenda?

That question only requires a yes or no.



Define bully and harrass.


Although the ass-hat in question is most assuredly guilty of harrassing the girl at the window, I'd be hard pressed to say there was any "bullying" going on, because to me bullying implies physical intimidation - and Master Adam Smith is entirely too twerpish so as to be incapable of bullying any adult human. In a street fight my money is on Cashier Rachael, without even thinking about it.

That said, there is no law against douchebaggery, nor should their be.

Bullying, however, is another story.






And having that being said, I don't think that anyone should ever be immune or exempt to the results of their excercise of free speech. For instance, I do not agree with Cathy's stance on Gay Marriage, but I'm all about his freedom to say it, act on it, etc. I'm also in favor of the hordes of left-wing robots exercising their rights to not Eet Moar Chikin and/or making out with each other in Chick-Fil-A parking lots or whatever their retaliation protest is all about today.


So, I'm in favor of Adam Smith exercising his right to voice his opinion to Rachael - and had she exercised her freedom to tell Smith to take a flying #### at a rolling doughnut I would have cheered her for that.

And I'm TOTALLY in favor of Vante exercising their right to jettison waste material.





Out of all those people - the only one who has earned my respect is Cashier Rachael because she exercised her right to be a Class Act in the face of impotent twerpitude.





And maybe Vante for requiring higher standards from their officers.

Define bully and harrass.


Although the ass-hat in question is most assuredly guilty of harrassing the girl at the window, I'd be hard pressed to say there was any "bullying" going on, because to me bullying implies physical intimidation - and Master Adam Smith is entirely too twerpish so as to be incapable of bullying any adult human. In a street fight my money is on Cashier Rachael, without even thinking about it.

.

I would say bullying was close if not there in this case.

If I had been at the window, I would have put up with it for a bit, just like she did, but when he kept on, and became personal as to how I could live with myself working there, I would have in no uncertain terms told him what I thought.
Chances are I would have been fired.
So in this case, he went beyond expressing his opinion and in my opinion he got to a point that he was looking for her to lose her composure.
so yes, he was bullying.

so yes, he was bullying.

I don't know, like I said, to me bullying implies much more aggressive behavior than harrassment.

I'm even using the term harrassment loosely. Because use of the word harrassment implies authority over the harrassee, like when a cop harrasses someone, or a boss harrasses one of their employees. Obviously these behaviors are, and should be, verboten.

I'd say that what Smith was doing was "hassling" her or even just "giving her a hard time".



IMO what he was doing shouldn't be forbidden by law, even if it certifies him as a Grade-A nimrod, and warrants a fat-lip.

He was polite? You have a deranged sense of what’s polite. If he had a complaint about what Chick Fil-A was doing he should have, at minimum, talked to management. Going after the poor window clerk was really brave and sent such a resounding message. :rolleyes:

The guy was a coward. He chose to go through the drive-thru so he wouldn’t have to face the crowd inside. He knows exactly what would have happened if he had done this inside the place.


From the mentality here on this board I'm sure some of you have worked in food service before,this guy was down right polite compared to some of the general public.
My questionj to you is he not allowed "free speech" or is that only for homophobes and gay bashers?:coffee:

Out of all those people - the only one who has earned my respect is Cashier Rachael because she exercised her right to be a Class Act in the face of impotent twerpitude.

She definitely came out of that looking good. :yay:


If I had been at the window, I would have put up with it for a bit, just like she did, but when he kept on, and became personal as to how I could live with myself working there, I would have in no uncertain terms told him what I thought.
Bah. I'm unimpressed with his level of douchebaggery. Try being me for a few days and you will truly see some professional douchebags plying their trade.

I disagree with Tox that #######ry shouldn't be against the law. If I were Imperial Grand Poohbah, we'd strap you to the chair for uncivilized behavior. They say an armed society is a polite society, and I would be well-armed. :smile:

I don't know, like I said, to me bullying implies much more aggressive behavior than harrassment.

I'm even using the term harrassment loosely. Because use of the word harrassment implies authority over the harrassee, like when a cop harrasses someone, or a boss harrasses one of their employees. Obviously these behaviors are, and should be, verboten.

I'd say that what Smith was doing was "hassling" her or even just "giving her a hard time".



IMO what he was doing shouldn't be forbidden by law, even if it certifies him as a Grade-A nimrod, and warrants a fat-lip.
Nimrod was a mighty hunter and warrior, he's no Nimrod.
Nimrod - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nimrod)

I disagree with Tox that #######ry shouldn't be against the law. If I were Imperial Grand Poohbah, we'd strap you to the chair for uncivilized behavior. They say an armed society is a polite society, and I would be well-armed. :smile:

We should be able to vote people like this out of the village. Let them survive on their own.

She definitely came out of that looking good. :yay:


Bah. I'm unimpressed with his level of douchebaggery. Try being me for a few days and you will truly see some professional douchebags plying their trade.

I disagree with Tox that #######ry shouldn't be against the law. If I were Imperial Grand Wizard, we'd strap you to the chair for uncivilized behavior. They say an armed society is a polite society, and I would be well-armed. :smile:


Fixed.:popcorn:

I disagree with Tox that #######ry shouldn't be against the law. If I were Imperial Grand Poohbah, we'd strap you to the chair for uncivilized behavior. They say an armed society is a polite society, and I would be well-armed. :smile:



In a well armed society - and ergo a polite society - #######ry wouldn't have to be against the law.

The problem would be self-remedying.





And don't think for a second that I am against that.

We should be able to vote people like this out of the village. Let them survive on their own.


This is one of the drawbacks of living in the modern age.

There's nowhere left to banish undesirables.

In a well armed society - and ergo a polite society - #######ry wouldn't have to be against the law.

The problem would be self-remedying.





And don't think for a second that I am against that.


....so you answer would be just to shoot him?:coffee:

Exclusive: TheBlaze Interviews the Guy Fired for Berating a Chick-fil-A Employee (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/exclusive-theblaze-interviews-the-guy-fired-for-berating-a-chick-fil-a-protester-employee/)


Editor’s note: This is a smaller version of a larger story. Stay tuned for the complete version Friday afternoon that will include more from Adam Smith.

Should someone be fired from their job and threatened with violence, torture, even death because they have an opinion different than yours? Of course not. And yet, that is what Adam M. Smith of Arizona says happened to him.

Adam Smith’s life has been turned upside-down in the 36 hours that followed his posting the video of his protest at Chick-fil-A, which involved letting a young, female employee at the drive-thru know what he thinks about the company. (You can watch the video here.)

We had an exclusive conversation with Smith where he shared his side of the story. Here’s a taste of what he said (we’ll be releasing more later):


He has lost his job as Chief Financial Officer at Vante. (Smith claims that he was not given a chance to really explain himself before being terminated)

His family has been threatened with violence and death. (At one point, his email account was getting 3 messages a minute, mostly vulgar and threatening)

Because his home address was made public, he cannot live in his house. (And Mr. Smith is a married father of four – two of his children are adopted, special needs kids.)
Smith said that his original intent was to follow guidelines laid out in an online video, which included quoting a scripture.

....so you answer would be just to shoot him?:coffee:





You haven't been following the conversation very carefully, have you?


Jackass.

You haven't been following the conversation very carefully, have you?


Jackass.

Actualy I have DA and again I'll ask you , would you rather just shoot him?:whistle:

This is one of the drawbacks of living in the modern age.

There's nowhere left to banish undesirables.

He lives in Tucson. Put him 1 mile outside of town and he'd die of thirst in a day, all the while whining that nobody was rescuing him.

Exclusive: TheBlaze Interviews the Guy Fired for Berating a Chick-fil-A Employee (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/exclusive-theblaze-interviews-the-guy-fired-for-berating-a-chick-fil-a-protester-employee/)


Editor’s note: This is a smaller version of a larger story. Stay tuned for the complete version Friday afternoon that will include more from Adam Smith.

Should someone be fired from their job and threatened with violence, torture, even death because they have an opinion different than yours? Of course not. And yet, that is what Adam M. Smith of Arizona says happened to him.

Adam Smith’s life has been turned upside-down in the 36 hours that followed his posting the video of his protest at Chick-fil-A, which involved letting a young, female employee at the drive-thru know what he thinks about the company. (You can watch the video here.)

We had an exclusive conversation with Smith where he shared his side of the story. Here’s a taste of what he said (we’ll be releasing more later):


He has lost his job as Chief Financial Officer at Vante. (Smith claims that he was not given a chance to really explain himself before being terminated)

His family has been threatened with violence and death. (At one point, his email account was getting 3 messages a minute, mostly vulgar and threatening)

Because his home address was made public, he cannot live in his house. (And Mr. Smith is a married father of four – two of his children are adopted, special needs kids.)
Smith said that his original intent was to follow guidelines laid out in an online video, which included quoting a scripture.
I would say this....

Actualy I have DA and again I'll ask you , would you rather just shoot him?:whistle:


DA?



Of course not. If you had been following closely, as you claim, you would have read that I support Smith's right to act like a horse's ass.

Much like I support yours.




The post of mine which you seem to have latched onto was an example of "hyperbole" with a touch of sarcasm mixed in. It's not an entirely uncommon rhetorical device used around here, and one that I, personally, favor.

He has lost his job as Chief Financial Officer at Vante. (Smith claims that he was not given a chance to really explain himself before being terminated)

His family has been threatened with violence and death. (At one point, his email account was getting 3 messages a minute, mostly vulgar and threatening)

Because his home address was made public, he cannot live in his house. (And Mr. Smith is a married father of four – two of his children are adopted, special needs kids.)
Smith said that his original intent was to follow guidelines laid out in an online video, which included quoting a scripture.

Oh boo friggin hoo! That liberal fool made a seriously bad choice and now he's paying for it. I'm not too concerned for him or his family because his idiot wife married him and his kids will, no doubt, be raised as liberals. :smack:

And "Quoting a Scripture"? Now I know he's :crazy: but even the devil has quoted Scripture, so...

Oh boo friggin hoo! That liberal fool made a seriously bad choice and now he's paying for it. I'm not too concerned for him or his family because his idiot wife married him and his kids will, no doubt, be raised as liberals. :smack:

And "Quoting a Scripture"? Now I know he's :crazy: but even the devil has quoted Scripture, so...


So your rights ,OK, his rights...screw them....and his family,is that it?

So your rights ,OK, his rights...screw them....and his family,is that it?

What does his famly have to do with his right to protest? Heck..he might be right back there today, making another video of himself harassing CFA employees. Who knows?

He can do that every day if he wants to.

But he can only be fired once. :killingme:killingme

So your rights ,OK, his rights...screw them....and his family,is that it?

What right was infringed? Did he get to say what he wanted?

Are you aware of any Government entity, for instance the Mayor of Chicago, denying him the right to come to their city?

Oh boo friggin hoo! That liberal fool made a seriously bad choice and now he's paying for it. I'm not too concerned for him or his family because his idiot wife married him and his kids will, no doubt, be raised as liberals.


Not cool.

He made a bad choice, yes. His family had nothing to do with it. And you can't hold children accountable for what you think they will grow into. That's absolutely ####ing ridiculous.

What does his famly have to do with his right to protest? Heck..he might be right back there today, making another video of himself harassing CFA employees. Who knows?

He can do that every day if he wants to.

But he can only be fired once. :killingme:killingme
:coffee:
Wanna bet he gets a new job ...quick?

Not cool.

He made a bad choice, yes. His family had nothing to do with it. And you can't hold children accountable for what you think they will grow into. That's absolutely ####ing ridiculous.


We are not, but keep in mind, he as a parent and spouse, has a responsibility to be aware of the repercussions his actions might have on his kids and wife. He, not society, is responsible for what he did. Had he acted in an honorable manner, none of this would have happened. Now, do I think sending him hateful messages is the right thing to do? No. But it's expected when you act like a Rushmore sized ass and then post it, especially when you boast how good being that big an ass made you feel.

Has anyone seen the supposed evil emails? WE always hear about such, but rarely are they produced.

We are not, but keep in mind, he as a parent and spouse, has a responsibility to be aware of the repercussions his actions might have on his kids and wife. He, not society, is responsible for what he did. Had he acted in an honorable manner, none of this would have happened. Now, do I think sending him hateful messages is the right thing to do? No. But it's expected when you act like a Rushmore sized ass and then post it, especially when you boast how good being that big an ass made you feel.

Has anyone seen the supposed evil emails? WE always hear about such, but rarely are they produced.

What do you call this DA,not much difference.:coffee:

:coffee:
Wanna bet he gets a new job ...quick?

What are you putting up..two shooters and your favorite aggie??

We are not, but keep in mind, he as a parent and spouse, has a responsibility to be aware of the repercussions his actions might have on his kids and wife.

I'm aware of that. However, I do not condone threats against this person's family.

I don't even condone threats against the man himself, but I won't call anyone out on that, since he did, in fact, bring this ####storm on himself for being such a monumental ####wad.

He, not society, is responsible for what he did. Had he acted in an honorable manner, none of this would have happened..

Fair enough - I've already said that I support the free speech, but I also believe that you better be able to back your mouth up and nobody should be free of repurcussions if they try to take that free speech to the next level.

But you leave someone's family out of it, IMO. They are innocent bystanders in this.



Has anyone seen the supposed evil emails? WE always hear about such, but rarely are they produced.


I don't really doubt their existence. It's possible that the volume, frequency and magnitude may be exaggerated, but the fact that he's gotten threating and hateful emails is not surprising in the least... In fact, I'd be surprised and amazed if he didn't get any.

What do you call this DA,not much difference.:coffee:

WTF are you talking about??

So your rights ,OK, his rights...screw them....and his family,is that it?

I think it's reprehensible to hide behind women and children, yet liberals do it all the time.

The post of mine which you seem to have latched onto was an example of "hyperbole" with a touch of sarcasm mixed in. It's not an entirely uncommon rhetorical device used around here, and one that I, personally, favor.

Sarcasm is wasted on stupid people.

Sarcasm is wasted on stupid people.


Truer words were never spoken.

Sarcasm is wasted on stupid people.

So are four-syllable words like "hyperbole". :coffee:

There's nowhere left to banish undesirables.

What, they closed down France?

I think it's reprehensible to hide behind women and children, yet liberals do it all the time.



You need to look in a mirror sweetie,if you own one.:coffee:

You need to look in a mirror sweetie,if you own one.:coffee:


Ah, the old, "I'm rubber, you're glue" logical parry.



And lookie there - he gave you a diminutive nickname too.

Clearly a sophisticated cognoscente, indeed.

Clearly a sophisticated cognoscente, indeed.

Just that one line will keep both his googler and his puzzler busy for hours...if not days.:buddies:

Ah, the old, "I'm rubber, you're glue" logical parry.



And lookie there - he gave you a diminutive nickname too.

Clearly a sophisticated cognoscente, indeed.


I know you're not Gilligan ,you must be the redneck they let have the truck keys.

I know you're not Gilligan ,you must be the redneck they let have the truck keys.

I own 14 trucks..I do have some truck keys. You?

I own 14 trucks..I do have some truck keys. You?


Rightttttt,:smack:

Rightttttt,:smack:

You do? Oh..wait..you were questioning me?

7 Broncos between 1966 and 1977 model years
a 1978 and a 1979 Bronco
a 1973 F-250 dually conversion with dump bed (and a 428 CJ engine)
a 1978 F-150 4x4 (w/snow plow)
a 1978 F-250 4x4 (w/ snow plow)
A 1989 F-250 4x4 with multi-process welding rig service body
A 1990 F-350 4x4 dually with fifth wheel hitch for my toy hauler
A 2002 F-450 dually tow rig for the 34' gooseneck trailer

How you doin'...leetle guy?

OK, gonna sound dumb here. I watched the video, and nowhere in it did i see him tell her their voices were being recorded. I thought there was a big thread on here somewhere about it is ok to video tape someone in a public place, but not ok to record a conversation without the other persons knowledge and or acceptance. Per chance a crime was committed here? Not sure about the laws where this incident happened. Video ok, voice recording a no no maybe??

OK, gonna sound dumb here. I watched the video, and nowhere in it did i see him tell her their voices were being recorded. I thought there was a big thread on here somewhere about it is ok to video tape someone in a public place, but not ok to record a conversation without the other persons knowledge and or acceptance. Per chance a crime was committed here? Not sure about the laws where this incident happened. Video ok, voice recording a no no maybe??

In the video I saw, she did comment that she didn't agree to being video taped and he kept it up. She was a class act. He was a jerk.

OK, gonna sound dumb here. I watched the video, and nowhere in it did i see him tell her their voices were being recorded. I thought there was a big thread on here somewhere about it is ok to video tape someone in a public place, but not ok to record a conversation without the other persons knowledge and or acceptance. Per chance a crime was committed here? Not sure about the laws where this incident happened. Video ok, voice recording a no no maybe??

State laws vary. What you are speaking of is MD law, not sure about where they were.

In the video I saw, she did comment that she didn't agree to being video taped and he kept it up. She was a class act. He was a jerk.

RR, agree 100% she was a class act, and did a great job.

RR, agree 100% she was a class act, and did a great job.

I think this whole thing is silly. All over an opinion. Everyone is entitled to one, even the jerk. But really, he came across as really bad.

State laws vary. What you are speaking of is MD law, not sure about where they were.

glh, i agree, that's why i posted not sure of the laws out there. Thought it may have gone back to the old wiretapping laws, where even LEO's needed a
legal paper to record voice. Definitely remember it being a big no no almost anywhere for someone to record a voice conversation without mutual consent.

I think this whole thing is silly. All over an opinion. Everyone is entitled to one, even the jerk. But really, he came across as really bad.

Agree RR 100%. IMHO the owner of the co. stated his own personal beliefs and that should not have been construed at all in any way shape or form as a company policy of discrimination.

Not cool.
He made a bad choice, yes. His family had nothing to do with it. And you can't hold children accountable for what you think they will grow into. That's absolutely ####ing ridiculous.
Uh ok. No liberal kids ever came from liberal parents...:duh: Check on them in 15 years and see.

Uh ok. No liberal kids ever came from liberal parents...:duh: Check on them in 15 years and see.


It doesn't matter. They haven't done anything yet, so holding them accountable for what they will be - or may be - is utterly unreasonable.


And for the record, I personally know many many individuals who hold disparate views from their parents politically, religiously, philosophically. I, myself, have vastly different views on many subject from my parents, including politics.

Does this guy even have a wife and kids, or is this purely hypothetical? I find it hard to believe some woman would marry and procreate with this douchenozzle, figured him for a Brony.

figured him for a Brony.

:lmao:

Does this guy even have a wife and kids, or is this purely hypothetical? I find it hard to believe some woman would marry and procreate with this douchenozzle, figured him for a Brony.

You too? :killingme

The guy is a sheep. He watches some young thing post a YouTube telling people to get in line, ask for free water, quote some unfamiliar Biblical verse and post it on YouTube. The guy is supposedly a college professor and he is slathering over some YouTube virgin. Sounds alot like Lolita if you ask me.

You too? :killingme

"And Star Streudel Blingpockets hates Chick-Fil-A too!"

"And Star Streudel Blingpockets hates Chick-Fil-A too!"

I love that name!:lmao:

RR, agree 100% she was a class act, and did a great job.


Yes , she was.:coffee:

:killingme The Douchebags company fired him...

:killingme The Douchebags company fired him.......and he has already been hired by someone else.:coffee:

....and he has already been hired by someone else.:coffee:

White House??? :killingme

Roger Vogel, Chairman, President and CEO of Vante, said the decision for Smith to step down was mutual. Vogel said he was “shocked” by the video, which he first discovered when people emailed him a link.

“We obviously found it very disturbing,” Vogel said. “We respect everybody’s ability to share their opinions in the public square and we have a very diverse workforce with a diverse set of opinions. We expect employees to behave in a professional manner that’s commensurate with their positions, and discuss their opinions in a civil fashion. ... We thought what he did was inappropriate.”

Vogel said the company has no stance on the gay marriage issue but has always hade a “good relationship” with Chick-fil-A. He said the company will consider contacting the employee Smith ambushed in an attempt to mend fences.

Tucson exec loses job over anti-Chick-fil-A rant in drive-thru (http://azstarnet.com/news/local/article_f8cefeec-dcf5-11e1-8b88-001a4bcf887a.html#.UBsON4EQoBM.twitter)

Somebody tell minione that Mr. Vogel is what a gentleman looks like, because that is what a gentleman does: the honorable thing.

....and he has already been hired by someone else.:coffee:

Linkie?

And Poof...the arsehole is now unemployed. :buddies::yahoo:

Vante of Tucson, AZ Regrets Actions of Former CFO (http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/vante-of-tucson-az-regrets-actions-of-former-cfo-1686870.htm)

Catheter Tipping Equipment Manufacturing & RF Tipping - Contact (http://www.vante.com/contact.php?pg=7)

Does anyone know if this guy still has his job?

Catheter Tipping Equipment Manufacturing & RF Tipping - Home (http://www.vante.com/)

Links to the link that was posted earlier.

On a futher note. The azzwipe not only got fired by Vante, the University of Arizona had already fired him earlier this year. Former Vante CFO Adam Smith Apologizes For Bullying Chick-Fil-A Worker - Business Insider (http://www.businessinsider.com/former-vante-cfo-adam-smith-apologizes-for-bullying-chick-fil-a-worker-2012-8)

Wonder who's paying the rent in that household. Wonder who's sleeping in the dog house in that household? (HINT: It ain't one of the foster children)

Linkie?

Don't hold your breath, that guy is in hiding with all the death threats he's gotten.

Linkie?

Yeah, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for thatone to provide proof of anything other than the fact that he's and idiot.

Yeah, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for thatone to provide proof of anything other than the fact that he's and idiot.

Are you calling him a GIANT FAIL!

We are not, but keep in mind, he as a parent and spouse, has a responsibility to be aware of the repercussions his actions might have on his kids and wife. He, not society, is responsible for what he did. Had he acted in an honorable manner, none of this would have happened. Now, do I think sending him hateful messages is the right thing to do? No. But it's expected when you act like a Rushmore sized ass and then post it, especially when you boast how good being that big an ass made you feel.

Has anyone seen the supposed evil emails? WE always hear about such, but rarely are they produced.

Over the course of the last 3 decades or so, I have often refrained from doing or saying any number of doucebag-like things because of 2 simple things: my family, and my obligation to them.

There are times, if not for those 2 things, that events may well have devolved into a free-fire situation.

He rants on and on about CFA being a hate company and that they are anti gay...I thought that in the beginning CFA said that they just don't support same sex marriages...Did he get it all turned around or did I miss something? For someone to sit in a line for a free freakin water and spout off to a drive up window person really shows the quality of his life...Pitiful bastard...Glad he lost his job...Now maybe he can get some of that free money from da gobermant...

On a futher note. The azzwipe not only got fired by Vante, the University of Arizona had already fired him earlier this year. Former Vante CFO Adam Smith Apologizes For Bullying Chick-Fil-A Worker - Business Insider (http://www.businessinsider.com/former-vante-cfo-adam-smith-apologizes-for-bullying-chick-fil-a-worker-2012-8)

Wonder who's paying the rent in that household. Wonder who's sleeping in the dog house in that household? (HINT: It ain't one of the foster children)

The man's in serious need of professional help. Maybe a stay at "Happy Acres" would do him some good.

Are you calling him a GIANT FAIL!

You would be correct, sir.

:yay: August 02, 2012 17:02 ET
Vante of Tucson, AZ Regrets Actions of Former CFO

Employee Has Left the Company

TUCSON, AZ--(Marketwire - Aug 2, 2012) - The following is a statement from Vante:

Vante regrets the unfortunate events that transpired yesterday in Tucson between our former CFO/Treasurer Adam Smith and an employee at Chick-fil-A. Effective immediately, Mr. Smith is no longer an employee of our company.

The actions of Mr. Smith do not reflect our corporate values in any manner. Vante is an equal opportunity company with a diverse workforce, which holds diverse opinions. We respect the right of our employees and all Americans to hold and express their personal opinions, however, we also expect our company officers to behave in a manner commensurate with their position and in a respectful fashion that conveys these values of civility with others.

We hope that the general population does not hold Mr. Smith's actions against Vante and its employees.
Vante of Tucson, AZ Regrets Actions of Former CFO (http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/vante-of-tucson-az-regrets-actions-of-former-cfo-1686870.htm)

Here is what the line looked like at the CFA on Wed. that my five friends and I went to. Service was very fast considering they had set up special amusement park like ropes. There must have been about 100 people in line and the guy at the counter told me it has been that way all morning.

five friends .

This is what I doubt....:popcorn:

He rants on and on about CFA being a hate company and that they are anti gay...I thought that in the beginning CFA said that they just don't support same sex marriages...Did he get it all turned around or did I miss something?

Chick-Fil-A gives money - lots of money - to Exodus International and the American Family Association, both of which are publicly against the institution of gay marriage.

Which means they are perceived by gay and lesbian supporters to be hate groups.

It doesn't matter. They haven't done anything yet, so holding them accountable for what they will be - or may be - is utterly unreasonable. And for the record, I personally know many many individuals who hold disparate views from their parents politically, religiously, philosophically. I, myself, have vastly different views on many subject from my parents, including politics.
You sound like "thatguy" now. Did I say to punish the kids right now? :duh: I said HE deserves whatever happens to him and his wife. Of course there's a chance the kids won't grow up to be libs but it's a small one for sure. Maybe they will learn from their father's mistake and become conservatives, who knows?

You sound like "thatguy" now. Did I say to punish the kids right now? :duh: I said HE deserves whatever happens to him and his wife. Of course there's a chance the kids won't grow up to be libs but it's a small one for sure. Maybe they will learn from their father's mistake and become conservatives, who knows?


...and you sound like a DA redneck racist.:smack: