I did not see this noted here. Sounds like a real horrible accident!

Serious Personal Injury in Leonardtown – Two Flyouts, Two Other Victims (http://smnewsnet.com/archives/20179)

At approximately 1:13 p.m. on Saturday, August 4, emergency units were dispatched to the area near 24881 Pt. Lookout Rd. in Leonardtown for a reported serious personal injury accident involving two motorcycles and a truck and trailer. According to dispatch the operator of the truck reported that the trailer broke loose from the truck and struck two motorcycles.

Trooper 2 was called to the scene for evacuation of one victim with a possible amputation at knee and for a second seriously injured patient. Two other crash victims were transported by ambulance to Medstar St. Mary’s Hospital.

Please be safe out there and allow a lot of room between you and the other guy!

Baynet has story with photos (http://www.thebaynet.com/news/index.cfm/fa/viewstory/story_ID/28920).

Prayers to all involved

thats horrible.
prayers to all involved, including the guy that lost the trailer. How do you live with knowing that you had something to do with that type of accident.

thats horrible.
prayers to all involved, including the guy that lost the trailer. How do you live with knowing that you had something to do with that type of accident.

Yup, main reason to use a good fitting hitch and good chains!!!

Yup, main reason to use a good fitting hitch and good chains!!!

I lost a boat once years ago, welds broke on the trailer part of the hitch, but the chains did hold and allow me to stop it with a bit of damage to the tailgate.

Back when towtrucks had a hook, (as opposed to trucks that now have a flatbed)I saw one that had dropped a car in the middle of the road. To this day, I am cautious about being behind anyone towing anything!

Prayers and hopefully lessons learned.

the trailer broke loose from the truck and struck two motorcycles.
How awful for everyone involved.

I, like FF, don't travel behind anyone who's pulling something. And I also don't travel behind anyone who is carrying loose stuff or drywall in the back of a truck. A friend of mine was in a serious accident because the guy in front of him had sheetrock strapped to the top of his vehicle and it came loose, busted through my friend's windshield and almost killed him.


Edited - FF, not Belvak.

How awful for everyone involved.

I, like Belvak, don't travel behind anyone who's pulling something. And I also don't travel behind anyone who is carrying loose stuff or drywall in the back of a truck. A friend of mine was in a serious accident because the guy in front of him had sheetrock strapped to the top of his vehicle and it came loose, busted through my friend's windshield and almost killed him.

So sad, my prayers to all those involved.

I'm like you. I don't like to follow anyone carrying/pulling anything now and that's because I was headed north on Rt. 4 one day a guy in front of me had thick pipe on his truck, all of a sudden they are coming toward me, they went up over my car, but scared the daylights out of me and I was thinking "Final Destination". Freak accidents and the wrong place at the wrong time. Just a sad, sad situation.

Some years ago, I was behind a truck w/ a home made camper shell (plywood). We were going up the 2/4 bridge (Solomon's TO St. Mary's.) It was very windy. I slowed down and back way off as soon as I saw the camper shell begin to wobble. Sure enough, it came off and most of it flew over the concrete wall into the river below. Some of the pieces ended up on the roadway. By this time I was at a complete stop! Scared the crap outta me!

So I too leave a good distance between a potential hazard and me!

Yup, main reason to use a good fitting hitch and good chains!!!

My dad had that happen years ago up in Montgomery County...trailer came loose and went right through where he knew kids usually waited for a school bus. He would never pull a trailer after that....would take a bigger truck or a rollback instead.... He had them. My brother hauls trailers all the time, even down to my parents. Dad always repeats the story....

So if it is found out that the person towing the trailer wasn't doing it right, like no safety chains, what should the punishment be?

So if it is found out that the person towing the trailer wasn't doing it right, like no safety chains, what should the punishment be?

Definitely some sort of negligence charge, whatever the punishment is for that... slap on the wrist, I am sure... Hell, poor guy has to live with the fact that it happened, that seems like a lifetime of mental prison to me...

So if it is found out that the person towing the trailer wasn't doing it right, like no safety chains, what should the punishment be?

Vasectomy?

Definitely some sort of negligence charge, whatever the punishment is for that... slap on the wrist, I am sure... Hell, poor guy has to live with the fact that it happened, that seems like a lifetime of mental prison to me...

could also be equipment failure.
its also why I tow below the speed limit even though I could pull above it without any problem.
So when you come up on the back of my trailer in a 70mph zone and Im in the right lane doing 60, Im not trying to be ignorant to you, Im trying to keep this same thing from happening.
Anyone that tows on a regular basis will tell you that you have to be ready at all times for something to go wrong, because sooner or later, it will.

could also be equipment failure.
its also why I tow below the speed limit even though I could pull above it without any problem.
So when you come up on the back of my trailer in a 70mph zone and Im in the right lane doing 60, Im not trying to be ignorant to you, Im trying to keep this same thing from happening.
Anyone that tows on a regular basis will tell you that you have to be ready at all times for something to go wrong, because sooner or later, it will.

Saw a truck pulling a pretty good sized boat 28'-30' driving down the shoulder a couple days ago, flashers on and going slowly. Got up close and guess what? Only thing holding the boat on was the winch cable. I guess driving on the shoulder and not securing your boat is ok as long as your flashers are on. :whistle:

So if it is found out that the person towing the trailer wasn't doing it right, like no safety chains, what should the punishment be?

A similar case I was very familiar with involved a trailer breakaway that resulted in a fatality. The "punishment" ended up being the large sum of money that was settled on in the negligence suit; I.e. it was mostly a civil matter and a civil penalty. However, there had been some talk of including a negligent homicide or manslaughter charge in to it. In that particualr example, though, it was not entirely clear who exactly was "Responsible" for the trailer separation.

Bottom line is that negligence can be proven if the safety chains were not properly in place, and if the trailer is above a certain GVW it must also have a break-away switch and battery to activate the electric brakes.


What a horrible accident. I almost went that same route about the same time on the practically the same motorcycle (H-D dresser). Sure does give one pause. Prayers for all involved.

There are accidents where you look at the negligent party and go, "You freaking dumbass! :strangle:" Then there are the ones that make you go, "Oh wow," and check your own equipment/setup. Punish the first, the second is a no-fault.

Not sure which one this is yet.

There are accidents where you look at the negligent party and go, "You freaking dumbass! :strangle:" Then there are the ones that make you go, "Oh wow," and check your own equipment/setup. Punish the first, the second is a no-fault.

Not sure which one this is yet.

New smilie?

Have all of our forum riders checked in safe and sound?

Have all of our forum riders checked in safe and sound?

Most have.

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I didn't see the accident, but I did hear about it. Sad.

1). They weren't following the trailer, it was in the opposite lane.
2). The safety chains were wrapped around the tounge of the trailer.

There are accidents where you look at the negligent party and go, "You freaking dumbass! :strangle:" Then there are the ones that make you go, "Oh wow," and check your own equipment/setup. Punish the first, the second is a no-fault.

Not sure which one this is yet.

Most people I know that tow trailers will make sure to check all connections everytime they stop. I do. and I will wait till no one is behind me and manually apply the trailer brakes to make sure they are working while running down the road.
I would hate to see a smallish jap car filled with a family after I run through it with a combined weight over over 20,000 lbs.

There are accidents where you look at the negligent party and go, "You freaking dumbass! :strangle:" Then there are the ones that make you go, "Oh wow," and check your own equipment/setup. Punish the first, the second is a no-fault.

Not sure which one this is yet.

It's the first, unfortunately

No chains? Why? Takes 15 seconds tops......

1). They weren't following the trailer, it was in the opposite lane.
2). The safety chains were wrapped around the tounge of the trailer.

Not connected to the towing vehicle, or wrapped then connected?

If they weren't connected at all they need to go to jail, and not in time measured by days or months..

Not connected to the towing vehicle, or wrapped then connected?

If they weren't connected at all they need to go to jail, and not in time measured by days or months..

The chains weren't even attached to the vehicle and were just wrapped around they tounge. Like one would do when the trailer was parked.

Update:

Update on August 4 Motorcycle Accident - Southern Maryland News, Charles County, Calvert County and St. Mary's County News (http://www.thebaynet.com/news/index.cfm/fa/viewstory/story_ID/28930)

I'd like to add that there was another man, not mentioned in the report that should be credited for possibly saving one of the victim's life. I'd hate to think what would have happened if he didn't make a tourniquet from his belt.

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I introduced this smilely. I am glad vrai liked it. Im saying prayers for all involved in this accident. I don't get why innocent drivers have to be exposed to ignorant, stupid, clueless, dumb asses, etc. etc. etc. Totally, a bunch of bullcrap, stupid, ignorant, don't pay attention to safety, stupid pieces of crap. Need I go on? Oh, and did I say the people that caused this accident are stupid clueless, dumb asses, ignorant, never should have gotten a license, etc. etc. etc. This should have never happened. I can say this because I have never gotten a ticket. I stay way behind bikers because they are so vulnerable, and I watch out for them. Love and peace.

:strangle:

Both my brothers own motorcycles, and my daugther's fiancee has one. I worry.

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I introduced this smilely. I am glad vrai liked it. Im saying prayers for all involved in this accident. I don't get why innocent drivers have to be exposed to ignorant, stupid, clueless, dumb asses, etc. etc. etc. Totally, a bunch of bullcrap, stupid, ignorant, don't pay attention to safety, stupid pieces of crap. Need I go on? Oh, and did I say the people that caused this accident are stupid clueless, dumb asses, ignorant, never should have gotten a license, etc. etc. etc. This should have never happened. I can say this because I have never gotten a ticket. I stay way behind bikers because they are so vulnerable, and I watch out for them. Love and peace. The peace frog reference is not necessary, at this point. :lol:

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I introduced this smilely. I am glad vrai liked it. Im saying prayers for all involved in this accident. I don't get why innocent drivers have to be exposed to ignorant, stupid, clueless, dumb asses, etc. etc. etc. Totally, a bunch of bullcrap, stupid, ignorant, don't pay attention to safety, stupid pieces of crap. Need I go on? Oh, and did I say the people that caused this accident are stupid clueless, dumb asses, ignorant, never should have gotten a license, etc. etc. etc. This should have never happened. I can say this because I have never gotten a ticket. I stay way behind bikers because they are so vulnerable, and I watch out for them. Love and peace.

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Both my brothers own motorcycles, and my daugther's fiancee has one. I worry.

Unfortunate as it is, the word accident was created for a reason.

Unfortunate as it is, the word accident was created for a reason.

Hey, Rose. I think that I have kept up with this story/thread; the chains were not used correctly. That makes it not an accident, and makes us all vulnerable to neglect by others.

But not for this. The word accident indicates that it was a circumstance beyond anyones control. We should really stop using that word in cases where there was negligence/stupidity/lack of driving properly. If the reports are accurate, this is a crash that someone could have prevented. A small trailer is still in the area of 600lbs or so, and the person hooking it is responsible for ensuring it's safe. Lighting didnt strike the chains and melt them. And of course we dont know what caused the hitch point to fail. Could be material failure, could be the latch wasnt fully seated. I imagine the investigation will show that.

We cant shirk responsibility by saying accident.

But not for this. The word accident indicates that it was a circumstance beyond anyones control. We should really stop using that word in cases where there was negligence/stupidity/lack of driving properly. If the reports are accurate, this is a crash that someone could have prevented. A small trailer is still in the area of 600lbs or so, and the person hooking it is responsible for ensuring it's safe. Lighting didnt strike the chains and melt them. And of course we dont know what caused the hitch point to fail. Could be material failure, could be the latch wasnt fully seated. I imagine the investigation will show that.

We cant shirk responsibility by saying accident.

I was getting confused reading your post, but then I realized you agreed with me because we posted at the same time. This was not an accident; it was laziness, or cluelessness, or dumdumness, or something. I don't like following anything being towed, but I will never stay following again. Good morning! Hope your day is great! :smile:

How awful for everyone involved.

I, like FF, don't travel behind anyone who's pulling something. And I also don't travel behind anyone who is carrying loose stuff or drywall in the back of a truck. A friend of mine was in a serious accident because the guy in front of him had sheetrock strapped to the top of his vehicle and it came loose, busted through my friend's windshield and almost killed him.


Edited - FF, not Belvak.

I don't follow trailers either. Or big trucks if I can avoid it! Such a tragic story. My thoughts go out to those involved.

Unfortunate as it is, the word accident was created for a reason.

This most surely wasn't an accident.

Was it intentional? No.

It's definately could have been prevented, twice.

#1). Put your freaking lock pin in the receiver.
#2). Safety chains are there for a reason!

I was pulling a trailer through the intersection of Plum Point Rd one day, and it came loose at the dip just the other side of the intersection. Fortunately, the chains held fast.

This most surely wasn't an accident.

Was it intentional? No.

It's definately could have been prevented, twice.

#1). Put your freaking lock pin in the receiver.
#2). Safety chains are there for a reason!



Are you saying that's what caused the initial unhitch, no lock pin? Or did the lock pin failed? I would have bet on not locking down the latch. I know on mine, after locking it, I give some hellacious tugs to ensure it's locked.

But not for this. The word accident indicates that it was a circumstance beyond anyones control. We should really stop using that word in cases where there was negligence/stupidity/lack of driving properly. If the reports are accurate, this is a crash that someone could have prevented. A small trailer is still in the area of 600lbs or so, and the person hooking it is responsible for ensuring it's safe. Lighting didnt strike the chains and melt them. And of course we dont know what caused the hitch point to fail. Could be material failure, could be the latch wasnt fully seated. I imagine the investigation will show that.

We cant shirk responsibility by saying accident.

Accident does not mean beyond our control. It means unintentional. Unless you think that this guy intentionally let go of the trailer, this is an accident.

Accident does not remove liability. It just denotes that the crash was not intentional.

ac·ci·dent   [ak-si-duhnt] Show IPA
noun
1.
an undesirable or unfortunate happening that occurs unintentionally and usually results in harm, injury, damage, or loss; casualty; mishap: automobile accidents.
2.
Law . such a happening resulting in injury that is in no way the fault of the injured person for which compensation or indemnity is legally sought.
3.
any event that happens unexpectedly, without a deliberate plan or cause.
4.
chance; fortune; luck: I was there by accident.
5.
a fortuitous circumstance, quality, or characteristic: an accident of birth.

Are you saying that's what caused the initial unhitch, no lock pin? Or did the lock pin failed? I would have bet on not locking down the latch. I know on mine, after locking it, I give some hellacious tugs to ensure it's locked.

The receiver, and ball were still on the trailer at it's final resting place, and the safety chains were wrapped around the tounge, and the S-hooks were hooked together.

I don't know if the pin failed, but the trailer wasn't very big, so unless they were using a twig as a pin, I find it hard to believe.

Accident does not mean beyond our control. It means unintentional. Unless you think that this guy intentionally let go of the trailer, this is an accident.

Accident does not remove liability. It just denotes that the crash was not intentional.

ac·ci·dent   [ak-si-duhnt] Show IPA
noun
1.
an undesirable or unfortunate happening that occurs unintentionally and usually results in harm, injury, damage, or loss; casualty; mishap: automobile accidents.
2.
Law . such a happening resulting in injury that is in no way the fault of the injured person for which compensation or indemnity is legally sought.
3.
any event that happens unexpectedly, without a deliberate plan or cause.
4.
chance; fortune; luck: I was there by accident.
5.
a fortuitous circumstance, quality, or characteristic: an accident of birth.

So, if he just forgot the chains that were rattling two inches from his hand when he attached the trailer, that's an accident. If, however he looked at them and decided he didn't need them (intention), that's not an accident, that's negligence. Am I wrong? I say the odds are pretty good that he just decided it wasn't worth the hassle to attach them, unless they simply wouldn't reach the truck.

So, if he just forgot the chains that were rattling two inches from his hand when he attached the trailer, that's an accident. If, however he looked at them and decided he didn't need them (intention), that's not an accident, that's negligence. Am I wrong? I say the odds are pretty good that he just decided it wasn't worth the hassle to attach them, unless they simply wouldn't reach the truck.

Unless his intent was for the trailer to come off and hit the cyclists it was an accident. He is negligent, and should be charged accordingly, but it sounds like an accident.

By your definition the word accident should not exist since any unfortunate event can be prevented. Have you ever accidentally dropped a glass? If you had held on to it better would it have fallen? Since you were negligent in the manner that you held the glass, is it now not an accident?

Unless his intent was for the trailer to come off and hit the cyclists it was an accident. He is negligent, and should be charged accordingly, but it sounds like an accident.

By your definition the word accident should not exist since any unfortunate event can be prevented. Have you ever accidentally dropped a glass? If you had held on to it better would it have fallen? Since you were negligent in the manner that you held the glass, is it now not an accident?

Aren't the pin and chains there as a preventative measure if somethine were to happen?

If I had some sort of glass holder to make sure IF I did drop the glass, it wouldn't shatter all over the floor, and chose not to use it, then broke the glass, it's not an accident.

I see what you're saying, but this could have been prevented.

Aren't the pin and chains there as a preventative measure if somethine were to happen?

If I had some sort of glass holder to make sure IF I did drop the glass, it wouldn't shatter all over the floor, and chose not to use it, then broke the glass, it's not an accident.

I see what you're saying, but this could have been prevented.

All accidents can be prevented. It's either intentional or an accident. Without evidence that this guy intended to injure the cyclists it's an accident.

You are correct, MM. Accident caused by negligence it is.



So, Chris, given that, the most likely in order, as I see it is that the driver either used an inadequate cotter pin (small bolt or bent nail?) that didn't stay, a regular cotter pin that failed, or no cotter pin at all.

All accidents can be prevented. It's either intentional or an accident. Without evidence that this guy intended to injure the cyclists it's an accident.

Intent follows the bullet, or in this case the chains.

If you shoot a gun in a city and it hits someone and kills them is it an accident if you didn't intend to kill anyone?

Same thing. Whether he intended to hurt or kill anyone is irrelevant, that he left off the chains, didn't secure his trailer and operated his vehicle knowingly unsafe if someone dies it is no longer an accidental death.

Intent follows the bullet, or in this case the chains.

If you shoot a gun in a city and it hits someone and kills them is it an accident if you didn't intend to kill anyone?

Same thing. Whether he intended to hurt or kill anyone is irrelevant, that he left off the chains, didn't secure his trailer and operated his vehicle knowingly unsafe if someone dies it is no longer an accidental death.

Can you give me one example of something that would meet your definition of an accident? Something that has no cause, or nothing that could be done to prevent the accident? Or should we just ban the use of the word since there's no such thing?

Accidents can be caused by people acting negligently. The word "accident" does not mean without cause, and it does not mean there is no fault. It just means that it was not intentional.

The receiver, and ball were still on the trailer at it's final resting place, and the safety chains were wrapped around the tounge, and the S-hooks were hooked together.

I don't know if the pin failed, but the trailer wasn't very big, so unless they were using a twig as a pin, I find it hard to believe.

If that is true, then I'm betting he didn't bother to put a clip on the pin, like he couldn't be bothered to hook up the chains. Very rare that the clip releases and allows the pin to work it's way out, unless he didn't make sure the clip was secure.

Negligence on multiple counts here.

If that is true, then I'm betting he didn't bother to put a clip on the pin, like he couldn't be bothered to hook up the chains. Very rare that the clip releases and allows the pin to work it's way out, unless he didn't make sure the clip was secure.

Negligence on multiple counts here.

Yep. Sounds like someone who felt that they were just going on a quick trip and couldn't be bothered with being safe.

Can you give me one example of something that would meet your definition of an accident? Something that has no cause, or nothing that could be done to prevent the accident? Or should we just ban the use of the word since there's no such thing?

Accidents can be caused by people acting negligently. The word "accident" does not mean without cause, and it does not mean there is no fault. It just means that it was not intentional.

An accident would be, say he looked in his mirrors and didn't see anyone, signaled, changed lanes and took out the bikers with his trailer.

He did EVERYTHING he could to be safe, and did everything right like he's supposed to, but he didn't see them.. Neither his actions nor his inactions could be considered malicious intent.

AND I'm not sure where you are coming from..

I didn't say it wasn't an accident.. Shooting a gun in the air and killing someone COULD be defined as an accident, but despite what the shooters intent was (he didn't intend to kill anyone) he could still be guilty of manslaughter or even murder.

That's why I don't understand when a drunk driver blows a >.2 BAC at the scene of a fatal accident why aren't we charging them with murder and sending them to jail for a LOOOONG time.. it's not negligent homicide, or reckless driving, regardless of their intent (again, they didn't intend to kill anyone) they SHOULD be guilty of murder.

Do you think if they were drunk and shot a gun and killed somebody they would guiltly of reckless handling of a firearm, or murder?

The weapon or tool of choice should be irrelevant, whether it be guns, alcohol or lack of safety chains..

An accident would be, say he looked in his mirrors and didn't see anyone, signaled, changed lanes and took out the bikers with his trailer.

He did EVERYTHING he could to be safe, and did everything right like he's supposed to, but he didn't see them.. Neither his actions nor his inactions could be considered malicious intent.



No, he did not do everything he could do to be safe if he changed lanes into someone. If you cannot see enough of the lane to ensure it is empty, it is not safe to change lanes. Period.

In this case, do you have any evidence that the guy did not hook up the chains because of malicious intent? If so, he should be charged with assault, or if a death with manslaughter or murder. If there is no malicious intent, he should be charged as appropriate up to negligent homicide.

That's why I don't understand when a drunk driver blows a >.2 BAC at the scene of a fatal accident why aren't we charging them with murder and sending them to jail for a LOOOONG time.. it's not negligent homicide, or reckless driving, regardless of their intent (again, they didn't intend to kill anyone) they SHOULD be guilty of murder.



That is usually charged as manslaughter, not negligent homicide. It doesn't rise to the level of 2nd degree, but it is definitely more severe than just negligent.

Do you think if they were drunk and shot a gun and killed somebody they would guiltly of reckless handling of a firearm, or murder?



Depends. Could be negligent homicide, could be manslaughter, could be murder.

No, he did not do everything he could do to be safe if he changed lanes into someone. If you cannot see enough of the lane to ensure it is empty, it is not safe to change lanes. Period.

In this case, do you have any evidence that the guy did not hook up the chains because of malicious intent? If so, he should be charged with assault, or if a death with manslaughter or murder. If there is no malicious intent, he should be charged as appropriate up to negligent homicide.

Again, his intent is irrelevant.

Depends.
Wow...you really do take personal protect seriously...:yay:

Hey, Rose. I think that I have kept up with this story/thread; the chains were not used correctly. That makes it not an accident, and makes us all vulnerable to neglect by others.

exactly - NEGLECT does not cause "accidents" - it causes horrible things to happen to ppl because you are selfish @ss.


Edit to say - after reading some good points- it was an accident (no intent) that was caused by the worst kind of neglect. And semantics are not important- that the person is charged accordingly for the damage he could have prevented is all that really matters now.

I stuck my gun in his ear and pulled the trigger. I didn't mean to kill him.

I stuck my gun in his ear and pulled the trigger. I didn't mean to kill him.

Accidents happen. :shrug:

Accidents happen. :shrug:

Ed Zachary....hmmmm...I don't recall ever using that before.

Again, his intent is irrelevant.

No, intent is the only thing relevant in deciding if something is an accident or intentional.

Ed Zachary....hmmmm...I don't recall ever using that before.

Indeed.

Just like when my girl was five and she hit the boy and made him cry. Her hand "accidently" lashed out, all by itelf, and hit him in the chest.

It could happen.

Accidents happen. :shrug:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krotvejfBvQ

It could happen.

That's what I always say.

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Why does an attorney use a yahoo email address :confused:

Why does an attorney use a yahoo email address :confused:

and not list the firm name.. or have the firm name as their sign on?


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Why does an attorney use a yahoo email address :confused:

And he gives out names and medical status?
Isn't that a violation of patient or client confidentiality?

Sounds like someone is fishing for information!!!:oldman:

Why does an attorney use a yahoo email address :confused:

and not list the firm name.. or have the firm name as their sign on?


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And he gives out names and medical status?
Isn't that a violation of patient or client confidentiality?

Sounds like someone is fishing for information!!!:oldman:

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Are you saying that's what caused the initial unhitch, no lock pin? Or did the lock pin failed? I would have bet on not locking down the latch. I know on mine, after locking it, I give some hellacious tugs to ensure it's locked.

That's my guess..

I've got into the habit of driving to the end of the dirt drive/road, and getting out and rechecking my trailer connections. I've always remembered the chains, and the lights, but more than once I've caught the latch still up, as in I never put it down.

I don't know why, but for some reason I get out of sequence and sometimes forget to latch it (but again, the chains have ALWAYS been attached), and now 100% of the time I recheck somewhere before the end of the dirt road.

That's my guess..

I've got into the habit of driving to the end of the dirt drive/road, and getting out and rechecking my trailer connections. I've always remembered the chains, and the lights, but more than once I've caught the latch still up, as in I never put it down.

I don't know why, but for some reason I get out of sequence and sometimes forget to latch it (but again, the chains have ALWAYS been attached), and now 100% of the time I recheck somewhere before the end of the dirt road.

With my little trailer, empty, it's easy to yank upwards and verify that I did get it latched right. But if I cant, I always do a second check like that also.

But someone said the ball and receiver were still on the trailer, which says the pin fell out. Either by breaking and falling, or never being installed, or possible installed incorrectly.

For anyone interested, there will be a benefit for both Travis, and Jimmy.

Friday Nov. 2 from 6:00-10:00pm at the American Legion in Chesapeake Beach.

90170

For anyone interested, there will be a benefit for both Travis, and Jimmy.

Friday Nov. 2 from 6:00-10:00pm at the American Legion in Chesapeake Beach.

90170

Thanks for posting this! I hope to make it.

Thanks for posting this! I hope to make it.

See you there! :buddies:

No, he did not do everything he could do to be safe if he changed lanes into someone. If you cannot see enough of the lane to ensure it is empty, it is not safe to change lanes. Period.

In this case, do you have any evidence that the guy did not hook up the chains because of malicious intent? If so, he should be charged with assault, or if a death with manslaughter or murder. If there is no malicious intent, he should be charged as appropriate up to negligent homicide.

I was educated once by a highway safety engineer that there was no such thing as an automobile accident, they were all collisions. He said that accidents were random acts of nature, collisions on the other hand had a root cause.
Technically speaking there is always something that one party could have done to avoid the collision.

For anyone interested, there will be a benefit for both Travis, and Jimmy.

Friday Nov. 2 from 6:00-10:00pm at the American Legion in Chesapeake Beach.

90170

Bump. This is tonight.