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“You’re talking to a guy who travels coast to coast and border to border every year,” Daniels told WND. “There are bad things going on in this country. Too many empty storefronts, too many closed down businesses – the ‘economic recovery’ Obama has been spinning is not happening. The only answer [socialists] seem to have for it is to try over and over again. Look at the results. Look at the results of throwing money down a black hole in Washington.

“We change the nation by putting people back to work again,” Daniels proffered. “I’m a Christian; I believe in helping people who can’t help themselves. I do not believe in helping people who can help themselves. Instead of putting them on the dole, put them on the payroll.

“I heard a while ago that more people file for disability than file to get a job. Where in the heck is that at?” Daniels asked. “Is that America? Is that what made America great?

“We need to get people back, to employ them,” Daniels concluded, “and it’s never going to be done in Washington. It’s going to have to be done in the private sector.”

Charlie Daniels unloads ‘dag-blamed truth’ on Obama (http://www.wnd.com/2012/08/charlie-daniels-unloads-dag-blamed-truth-on-obama/)

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“You’re talking to a guy who travels coast to coast and border to border every year,” Daniels told WND. “There are bad things going on in this country. Too many empty storefronts, too many closed down businesses .”

Charlie Daniels unloads ‘dag-blamed truth’ on Obama (http://www.wnd.com/2012/08/charlie-daniels-unloads-dag-blamed-truth-on-obama/)



This I think we all agree on,outsorcing is to blame as well as companies such as Walmart that move into towns and wipeout small Mom and Pop business's.

This I think we all agree on,outsorcing is to blame

What is "outsourcing"...exactly?

This I think we all agree on,outsorcing is to blame as well as companies such as Walmart that move into towns and wipeout small Mom and Pop business's.

But can you accept what makes the outsourcing more attractive to employers as opposed to keeping the jobs here in this government over regulated, union hostage taking, taxed to death country of ours?

(hint: I put the answer right there in my question)

This I think we all agree on,outsorcing is to blame as well as companies such as Walmart that move into towns and wipeout small Mom and Pop business's.

I think we should blame the cause of outsourcing.

FYI - every business exists solely for the purpose of creating wealth for it's owner. The lemonade stand and the aerospace contractor, both exist to generate a profit for it's owner(s)

If Washington makes it difficult to do business here what do you think is supposed to happen?

But can you accept what makes the outsourcing more attractive to employers as opposed to keeping the jobs here in this government over regulated, union hostage taking, taxed to death country of ours?

(hint: I put the answer right there in my question)

So it's regulations, Union,and taxs....not greed,that cuase outsourcing,has Walmart lived with in your guidlines to be a successful company?:coffee:

Just an FYI: It was in the Bush years that I lost my job to outsourcing. It's not just an Obama problem.

So it's regulations, Union,and taxs....not greed,that cuase outsourcing,has Walmart lived with in your guidlines to be a successful company?:coffee:

What is "outsourcing"...exactly?


And last I checked...Walmart IS a successful company. Wildly successful even.

What is "outsourcing"...exactly?


And last I checked...Walmart IS a successful company. Wildly successful even.

And a large portion of Walmart's suppliers produce their products outside the United States because Walmart cannot get lower cost supplies from American built products. :gossip: That's why the unions hate Walmart, they are successful in spite of the unions' death grip on the American economy.

And last I checked...Walmart IS a successful company. Wildly successful even.

....never said it wasn't.

And a large portion of Walmart's suppliers produce their products outside the United States because Walmart cannot get lower cost supplies from American built products. :gossip: That's why the unions hate Walmart, they are successful in spite of the unions' death grip on the American economy.

This has nothing to do with the Unions.....





http://www.fastcompany.com/47593/wal-mart-you-dont-know


"Wal-Mart wields its power for just one purpose: to bring the lowest possible prices to its customers. At Wal-Mart, that goal is never reached. The retailer has a clear policy for suppliers: On basic products that don't change, the price Wal-Mart will pay, and will charge shoppers, must drop year after year. But what almost no one outside the world of Wal-Mart and its 21,000 suppliers knows is the high cost of those low prices. Wal-Mart has the power to squeeze profit-killing concessions from vendors. To survive in the face of its pricing demands, makers of everything from bras to bicycles to blue jeans have had to lay off employees and close U.S. plants in favor of outsourcing products from overseas."

This has nothing to do with the Unions.....





http://www.fastcompany.com/47593/wal-mart-you-dont-know


"Wal-Mart wields its power for just one purpose: to bring the lowest possible prices to its customers. At Wal-Mart, that goal is never reached. The retailer has a clear policy for suppliers: On basic products that don't change, the price Wal-Mart will pay, and will charge shoppers, must drop year after year. But what almost no one outside the world of Wal-Mart and its 21,000 suppliers knows is the high cost of those low prices. Wal-Mart has the power to squeeze profit-killing concessions from vendors. To survive in the face of its pricing demands, makers of everything from bras to bicycles to blue jeans have had to lay off employees and close U.S. plants in favor of outsourcing products from overseas."
To be fair... it's not just Wal-Mart:

How does Target compare to K-Mart and Wal-Mart when it comes to selling American-made products? | Alliance for American Manufacturing (http://americanmanufacturing.org/blog/how-does-target-compare-k-mart-and-wal-mart-when-it-comes-selling-american-made-products)

Walmart was a small store 50 years ago. At what point do you suddenly decide that it's no longer a "mom and pop" that did well and is now evil?

Any of their competitors could do the same thing and drive Walmart out of business. They just have to do it, like sam Walton did.

This has nothing to do with the Unions.....





http://www.fastcompany.com/47593/wal-mart-you-dont-know


"Wal-Mart wields its power for just one purpose: to bring the lowest possible prices to its customers. At Wal-Mart, that goal is never reached. The retailer has a clear policy for suppliers: On basic products that don't change, the price Wal-Mart will pay, and will charge shoppers, must drop year after year. But what almost no one outside the world of Wal-Mart and its 21,000 suppliers knows is the high cost of those low prices. Wal-Mart has the power to squeeze profit-killing concessions from vendors. To survive in the face of its pricing demands, makers of everything from bras to bicycles to blue jeans have had to lay off employees and close U.S. plants in favor of outsourcing products from overseas."

Sweet. That's how you run a successful company in a global economy, all right. You taking notes..paying attention? Learn anything?

Sweet. That's how you run a successful company in a global economy, all right. You taking notes..paying attention? Learn anything?

I hope you're not one of those who whines and biatches when someone sucks off your tax-dollar teat because they lost their job to outsourcing.

Just an FYI: It was in the Bush years that I lost my job to outsourcing. It's not just an Obama problem.

You're a contractor, right? Wouldn't you say we are the product of outsourcing?

You're a contractor, right? Wouldn't you say we are the product of outsourcing?

I am now, and no. I don't live overseas, neither do you.

I am now, and no. I don't live overseas, neither do you.Agreed. Governments go to contractors when they need goods/services that they can't provide for themselves from within. That has nothing to do with the political definition of 'outsourcing' as is being referenced.

Agreed. Governments go to contractors when they need goods/services that they can't provide for themselves from within. That has nothing to do with the political definition of 'outsourcing' as is being referenced.

Right. Domestic contracting still keeps and/or creates American jobs. Foreign outsourcing is the problem.

Right. Domestic contracting still keeps and/or creates American jobs. Foreign outsourcing is the problem.

Pulling jobs into the federal government is also hurting our country.

Pulling jobs into the federal government is also hurting our country.

Yep! I never really wanted to work for the gov't or a DOD contractor, but living around here that's about your only choice if you want to provide for your family. When I lost my job to India I decided to compromise my principles in order to feed my four kids and provide them with health care. :ohwell:

So many people complain about others living on the dole; however, working for, directly or indirectly, the gov't is kind of like living on the dole too. Not exactly the same, but sort of.

Yep! I never really wanted to work for the gov't or a DOD contractor, but living around here that's about your only choice if you want to provide for your family. When I lost my job to India I decided to compromise my principles in order to feed my four kids and provide them with health care. :ohwell:

So many people complain about others living on the dole; however, working for, directly or indirectly, the gov't is kind of like living on the dole too. Not exactly the same, but sort of.

At least when the gov't contracts the work out... they are not on the hook for a lifetime of benefits to the employees doing the work.

At least when the gov't contracts the work out... they are not on the hook for a lifetime of benefits to the employees doing the work.

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working for, directly or indirectly, the gov't is kind of like living on the dole too. Not exactly the same, but sort of.

I see a huge difference between getting up and going to work every day and sitting at home waiting for a check from Uncle Sugar :confused:

Where do you think mom & pop got the goods they sold? They didn't make them themselves. They got them from the same places Walmart gets them.

And who employs more in the community, Walmart employing 100's or mom & pop employing a few?

I see a huge difference between getting up and going to work every day and sitting at home waiting for a check from Uncle Sugar :confused:

Of course it is, which is why I emphasized "kind of". My point is simply that tax dollars ultimately go to pay your (?) and my salary. Some civil service jobs can be somewhat cushy with great bennies attached and veterans get preferential treatment when it comes to jobs in the gov't (not that they don't deserve it). It's "kind of" like being on the dole.

I am now, and no. I don't live overseas, neither do you.

But the definition of "outsourcing" is to contract out, and the government puts out bids for products/services outside of their scope.

At least when the gov't contracts the work out... they are not on the hook for a lifetime of benefits to the employees doing the work.
The government already pays for contractor's benefits. :buddies:

I am now, and no. I don't live overseas, neither do you.

I don't think you (or many others) realize that when a job is "outsourced" it isn't necessarily moved overseas.

Just an FYI.:yay:

The DoD has "outsourced" the job you do because they do not have the personnel, in uniform, to perform your task.

It's "kind of" like being on the dole.

Not really.

But the definition of "outsourcing" is to contract out, and the government puts out bids for products/services outside of their scope.

I don't think you (or many others) realize that when a job is "outsourced" it isn't necessarily moved overseas.

Just an FYI.:yay:

The DoD has "outsourced" the job you do because they do not have the personnel, in uniform, to perform your task.

Really? You don't say? I had no clue!! :rolleyes: Re-read posts 17, 18 and 19 please and thank you.

Not really.

Kind of. :neener:

:lol:

The government already pays for contractor's benefits. :buddies:Until the end of the contract... not for the rest of each contractor's life.

And you know very well the context of term "outsourcing" as it partains to our conversation has nothing to do with the government seeking bids to do work they cannot do in-house.

You sure can be dense at times.

Until the end of the contract... not for the rest of each contractor's life.

And you know very well the context of term "outsourcing" as it partains to our conversation has nothing to do with the government seeking bids to do work they cannot do in-house.

You sure can be dense at times.
And the next contractor, and the next, and the next.... the government provides a lifetime of benefits for contractors.

I haven't read this entire thread, but outsourcing is outsourcing. It doesn't matter where the job is performed or by whom. If it's contracted out, well...

Until the end of the contract... not for the rest of each contractor's life.

And you know very well the context of term "outsourcing" as it partains to our conversation has nothing to do with the government seeking bids to do work they cannot do in-house.

You sure can be dense at times.

Then you should say off-shore outsourcing... Oh wait, that applies to the Fed as well... damn... there is no difference between the fed hiring contractors because they cannot do it within house than Levis opening a plant in Mexico because they can't afford to pay $40 per hour for a $40 pair of jeans...

also, the end of the contract? I left active duty in 2000... the 5 contractors that were sitting in my office, that had been there since 1997, are still sitting in that office...

my current contract is a sub job with a branch of MD government... there is one woman there that has been there as a contractor for over 20 years... they have already offered me a 'perpetual' contract...

Based on the number of ESL candidates I interview on a regular basis? Just because the job didn't leave the country borders doesn't mean the money didn't.

Let me see if I can simplify it for you...

The government may build in funding that covers some benefits for the billable position and that billable position. Iff that position is funding for 100 years and BillyBob had the job for the first 20 years, Sally Sue had it for 20, JJ had it for 20, Bobo Smith had it for 25 and Mary had it for 15 the government is NOT on the hook for continuing to pay retirement for all of those people until they drop dead. Because it is a contracted position, they only have to pay for the azz currently sitting in the seat.

If it was a government position the government would be on the hook for continuing to pay out benefits for 5 people until they drop dead.

Govt position: 5 people on the dole till death
Cntr position: only the person currently in the position

And as for the definition of "outsourcing", of course the discussion is referring to off-shore outsourcing... why would outsourcing processes within the U.S. be an issue in regards to the topic at hand?

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Govt position: 5 people on the dole till death
Cntr position: only the person currently in the position

And as for the definition of "outsourcing", of course the discussion is referring to off-shore outsourcing... why would outsourcing processes within the U.S. be an issue in regards to the topic at hand?

those 5 people over the lifecycle are being paid at what rate? The contractor position over the same lifecycle is being paid at what rate? Here is a hint... It's a wash...

why wouldn't on-shore outsourcing count? How many illegals are doing jobs that someone on welfare could be doing? How many LEGAL foreign workers (visa) are doing jobs that an out of work American could be doing?

Outsourcing is outsourcing... A Levis plant in Mexico puts jobs in Mexico and the profit comes back to the US... A Toyota plant in the US brings jobs here and the profit goes back to Japan...

It's all part of the equation...

I see a huge difference between getting up and going to work every day and sitting at home waiting for a check from Uncle Sugar :confused:

So do I. Whether it is a government employee or a contractor, the government is paying for a service - they pay money, and get something tangible in return. Someone who is "on the dole" is not providing anything in return for the money given to them.

I don't say that to bad-mouth anyone receiving benefits; sometimes things happen that are beyond our control and we need help. Just saying, being employed is substantially different.