I know there are many members who are motorcycle riders so I figured this would be a good place to ask. I don't feel that I was, but as someone who tries to be aware of all riders around me and practice extra precaution around them, I figured it doesn't hurt to ask. I hope this makes sense.

I was coming south on Route 5 in Brandywine in the right hand lane. As we are crawling, I notice a guy on a cruiser 3-4 cars behind me. I went through the lights at Brandywine. After we go underneath the overpass of 301, I start monitoring the traffic coming down the ramp from 301 onto 5. There is about a 50ft (I'm horrible gauging distances) where in theory you it is physically open to cross all the way into that lane coming off the ramp, BUT not legal as it is marked a solid with a solid line and the section in between is really a triangle bringing the ramp to 5. I made sure to check my sideview mirror several times so i could see any cars coming down from the ramp. At the end of the triangle, when the line turns to dashes, I did one last quick look in the side view mirror and over my left shoulder up the ramp. I then proceed into that lane when all of a sudden the cruiser that was a few cars back is now on my butt, honking, flipping me off, and cussing me out. I know for a fact that I crossed over into that lane right when the solid line ended so he obviously crossed through that triangle section illegally and probably hit the gas as soon as he saw it open up. He then proceed to get then get next to me and continue his wonderful gestures and language.

I feel horrible because yes, had I hit him, I could have seriously hurt him. But I don't feel like it would have been my fault if I did. Just want to know if I'm wrong....I maintain a very high respect for riders, but not when they feel they rule the road.

It *sounds* like you cut someone off, but since none of us were actually there to witness the event, who knows. :shrug:

Bikers have a responsibility to look where they're going and pay attention to traffic as well. We can't spend our whole drive time babysitting them.

His reaction tells me that he knows he's in the wrong and is just trying to make it your problem. Screw him.

I don't understand how you can see the ramp by looking over your left shoulder :confused:

I don't understand how you can see the ramp by looking over your left shoulder :confused:

I meant right, my mistake...

I meant right, my mistake...

Well it sounds like if you looked over your shoulder you should have seen him :shrug:

bikers are annoying...

I'm totally confused about your merge and how you looked over your "left" shoulder "up the ramp". 301 merges into 5 as it's own lane to the right. Lemmee google map it like glhs does for clarification.

Well it sounds like if you looked over your shoulder you should have seen him :shrug:

Depends on how far over the shoulder booboo looked and where the bike was at the time (remember, speed is involved so physics enters into it).

Depends on how far over the shoulder booboo looked

The general rule is far enough to assure the space you would like to occupy is in fact vacant and will remain vacant by the time you get there :confused:

I'm totally confused about your merge and how you looked over your "left" shoulder "up the ramp". 301 merges into 5 as it's own lane to the right. Lemmee google map it like glhs does for clarification.
Ok I dunno how glhs does that. Any who, he may have been easing over and been in your blind spot when you changed lanes.

Not knowing the attitude or temper of the person you are thinking about flipping off...
How smart does one have to be to ride up next to a car, flip the driver off and yell at him?

I suggest that the bike rider was at fault based on the stupidity factor.

Before I answer. What kind of bike was it?

Ok I dunno how glhs does that. Any who, he may have been easing over and been in your blind spot when you changed lanes.

I think if he can figure out how to get the pic it would definitely help. I moved into the right hand lane (the one that the ramp turns into) at the first opportunity it was legal to do so. The biker went across the triangular area where it is illegal to do so. I didn't see him because he was probably behind me when I made the glance to the left. I know he wasn't actually in the lane yet.

The general rule is far enough to assure the space you would like to occupy is in fact vacant and will remain vacant by the time you get there :confused:

True, but if the bike was close behind and by the left side of the lane (some ride that center line between 2 lanes so they can zip through between cars when it gets slow -- not smart but I've seen it a lot on route 4 & 301), then booboo's head wouldn't have been turned far enough to see the bike (assuming that booboo is no Linda Blair in the "The Exorcist".) Bike would have been in a blind spot.

Sounds like the issue is that she didn't expect someone to try to pass her on the right where it was clearly marked as an area he should not have been in. She didn't enter the lane until she was legally able to, and had no reason to believe that someone behind her had entered the lane before they legally should have.

Also, any agressive cyclist is automatically at fault. If he's stupid enough to try to pass on the right through merge lanes, then get so mad about it, it shouldn't be long befor Darwin catches up to him.

Sounds like the issue is that she didn't expect someone to try to pass her on the right where it was clearly marked as an area he should not have been in. She didn't enter the lane until she was legally able to, and had no reason to believe that someone behind her had entered the lane before they legally should have.

Also, any agressive cyclist is automatically at fault. If he's stupid enough to try to pass on the right through merge lanes, then get so mad about it, it shouldn't be long befor Darwin catches up to him.

:yay:

Sounds like the issue is that she didn't expect someone to try to pass her on the right where it was clearly marked as an area he should not have been in.

Always assume that, given the opportunity, people will do something stupid :yay:

Either that or keep a hook on a stick in the back to pick motorcycle parts out of your undercarriage with :shrug:

Always assume that, given the opportunity, people will do something stupid :yay:


That's my motto.

Sounds like the issue is that she didn't expect someone to try to pass her on the right where it was clearly marked as an area he should not have been in. She didn't enter the lane until she was legally able to, and had no reason to believe that someone behind her had entered the lane before they legally should have.

Also, any agressive cyclist is automatically at fault. If he's stupid enough to try to pass on the right through merge lanes, then get so mad about it, it shouldn't be long befor Darwin catches up to him.This^

I've had people rapidly speed up from behind me to occupy the lane I am changing into. I never see them until I look in my rear view to see them right on my ass. I know they weren't there because I have my mirrors properly adjusted for the blind spot AND I physically turn and look.

Sounds like he veered right (illegally) and gunned the throttle.

Bikers have a responsibility to look where they're going and pay attention to traffic as well. We can't spend our whole drive time babysitting them.

His reaction tells me that he knows he's in the wrong and is just trying to make it your problem. Screw him.

^^^This^^^

I ride and would argue that the biker has a much larger responsibility than the cager. Depending on where the bike is in a given lane, it can be very difficult to see them. This dude blew up cause he's an azzhole.

I'll be riding up that way this afternoon in heavy traffic and don't much look forward to it, butcha gotta do whatcha gotta do.

I know there are many members who are motorcycle riders so I figured this would be a good place to ask. I don't feel that I was, but as someone who tries to be aware of all riders around me and practice extra precaution around them, I figured it doesn't hurt to ask. I hope this makes sense.

I was coming south on Route 5 in Brandywine in the right hand lane. As we are crawling, I notice a guy on a cruiser 3-4 cars behind me. I went through the lights at Brandywine. After we go underneath the overpass of 301, I start monitoring the traffic coming down the ramp from 301 onto 5. There is about a 50ft (I'm horrible gauging distances) where in theory you it is physically open to cross all the way into that lane coming off the ramp, BUT not legal as it is marked a solid with a solid line and the section in between is really a triangle bringing the ramp to 5. I made sure to check my sideview mirror several times so i could see any cars coming down from the ramp. At the end of the triangle, when the line turns to dashes, I did one last quick look in the side view mirror and over my left shoulder up the ramp. I then proceed into that lane when all of a sudden the cruiser that was a few cars back is now on my butt, honking, flipping me off, and cussing me out. I know for a fact that I crossed over into that lane right when the solid line ended so he obviously crossed through that triangle section illegally and probably hit the gas as soon as he saw it open up. He then proceed to get then get next to me and continue his wonderful gestures and language.

I feel horrible because yes, had I hit him, I could have seriously hurt him. But I don't feel like it would have been my fault if I did. Just want to know if I'm wrong....I maintain a very high respect for riders, but not when they feel they rule the road.

It's not here so I gotta ask: Did you signal your intent to change lanes? In enough time he wouldn't be an idiot and assume the way was clear? He's already shown little sense... Even if you had not signaled I would have just gotten disgusted and thrown my hands in the air...

bikers are annoying...

:biteme:

I know there are many members who are motorcycle riders so I figured this would be a good place to ask. I don't feel that I was, but as someone who tries to be aware of all riders around me and practice extra precaution around them, I figured it doesn't hurt to ask. I hope this makes sense.

I was coming south on Route 5 in Brandywine in the right hand lane. As we are crawling, I notice a guy on a cruiser 3-4 cars behind me. I went through the lights at Brandywine. After we go underneath the overpass of 301, I start monitoring the traffic coming down the ramp from 301 onto 5. There is about a 50ft (I'm horrible gauging distances) where in theory you it is physically open to cross all the way into that lane coming off the ramp, BUT not legal as it is marked a solid with a solid line and the section in between is really a triangle bringing the ramp to 5. I made sure to check my sideview mirror several times so i could see any cars coming down from the ramp. At the end of the triangle, when the line turns to dashes, I did one last quick look in the side view mirror and over my left shoulder up the ramp. I then proceed into that lane when all of a sudden the cruiser that was a few cars back is now on my butt, honking, flipping me off, and cussing me out. I know for a fact that I crossed over into that lane right when the solid line ended so he obviously crossed through that triangle section illegally and probably hit the gas as soon as he saw it open up. He then proceed to get then get next to me and continue his wonderful gestures and language.

I feel horrible because yes, had I hit him, I could have seriously hurt him. But I don't feel like it would have been my fault if I did. Just want to know if I'm wrong....I maintain a very high respect for riders, but not when they feel they rule the road.

Don't forget to turn your head and look out the window when changing lanes but it sounds like the motorcyclist was trying to get past one more car and was upset he didn't make it.
FYI - When a motorcyclist gets up next to your car and starts cursing, slowly start drifting over toward him. Physics is your friend

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FYI - When a motorcyclist gets up next to your car and starts cursing, slowly start drifting over toward him. Physics is your friend

That is the dumbest ####ing thing I've ever seen posted...

Are ####ing insane?

LOL_WomenDrivers

Are ####ing insane?

Yes, he is, but that doesn't change the fact he's right.

Yes, he is, but that doesn't change the fact he's right.

He's only right about vehicular assault... Car out weighs bike... That advice is going to her or some biker killed.... ####ing Brilliant.

That is the dumbest ####ing thing I've ever seen posted...

Are ####ing insane?

What's the problem? Drifting over SLOWLY reminds the bike that getting up next to a car and attempting to intimidate the driver is a bad idea

What's the problem? Drifting over SLOWLY reminds the bike that getting up next to a car and attempting to intimidate the driver is a bad idea

Or puts a bike down on the side of the road... or gets a steel-toed boot into her door frame, or gets a piece of lead shot through her window... or her followed home... In Texas we rode with our handguns to be drawn with the left hand... Your advice to try to intimidate ANYONE on the road is irresponsible...

Freaking ignore azzhats on the road, bike, cage or semi... anything else is likely to become a serious road rage incident... If they continue to follow or harass you call 911.

I'd still like to know if the lady signaled first...

Bikers have a responsibility to look where they're going and pay attention to traffic as well. We can't spend our whole drive time babysitting them.

His reaction tells me that he knows he's in the wrong and is just trying to make it your problem. Screw him.

This is exactly right.

^^^This^^^

I ride and would argue that the biker has a much larger responsibility than the cager. Depending on where the bike is in a given lane, it can be very difficult to see them. This dude blew up cause he's an azzhole.

o.

This is exactly right.

Or puts a bike down on the side of the road... or gets a steel-toed boot into her door frame, or gets a piece of lead shot through her window... or her followed home... In Texas we rode with our handguns to be drawn with the left hand... Your advice to try to intimidate ANYONE on the road is irresponsible...

Freaking ignore azzhats on the road, bike, cage or semi... anything else is likely to become a serious road rage incident... If they continue to follow or harass you call 911.

I'd still like to know if the lady signaled first...

Yes I did. However, that may have worked against me since he may have saw it, but saw me not getting over immediately or gave him the idea that I was waiting for it to be legal and he thought he could gun it and get past that point first.

Yes I did. However, that may have worked against me since he may have saw it, but saw me not getting over immediately or gave him the idea that I was waiting for it to be legal and he thought he could gun it and get past that point first.

Then as expected you were in the right and he was just another prick on the road...

I wouldn't give him another thought...

FYI - When a motorcyclist gets up next to your car and starts cursing, slowly start drifting over toward him. Physics is your friend

This is exactly wrong. Unless you want an altercation. Anyone who is loose enough in the head to start getting psycho with a car or truck on a bike is most likely not far from just losing it altogether.

Let 'em scream. He's leaving. #### 'em.

Let 'em scream. He's leaving. #### 'em.

*ding*

Other motorists' problem is not my problem.