SoMdNews.com: Collins: Hughesville site more suitable for youth jail (http://www.somdnews.com/article/20120810/NEWS/708089319/1074/collins-hughesville-site-more-suitable-for-youth-jail&template=southernMaryland)

Wonder if they'll have to improve the sewer system to build the new jail?

I heard that Hughesville doesn't want it either :evil:

A new jail will look good next to that new college - kids will have their choice on which track to take once out of high school and won't have to go far to decide.

Gee, maybe they shouldn't have b****ed so much about a baseball stadium, then they wouldn't have to worry about a jail...

Gee, maybe they shouldn't have b****ed so much about a baseball stadium, then they wouldn't have to worry about a jail...

It's interesting that the same Charles County Commissioner who gave away the land so the tax-sump baseball diamond could be built in Waldorf is the same Commissioner who told the State that the land in Waldorf was available for the kiddy prison. Wonder why she thinks she'll get re-elected?

Gee, maybe they shouldn't have b****ed so much about a baseball stadium, then they wouldn't have to worry about a jail...
Probably, but it's obvious that the peoples opinion means nothing to the commissioners so, either way, it wouldn't have mattered.

Probably, but it's obvious that the peoples opinion means nothing to the commissioners so, either way, it wouldn't have mattered.

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Ive said along that right next to the Southern Maryland Pre-Release Center would be a good place to put. Everyone always says not in my backyard, well Im about 2 miles from the Pre-Release place, and Ive been here 34 years, over that time there has been very few problems. The Acton Lane site is a terrible location, its too close to everything, homes, stores and people.

Ive said along that right next to the Southern Maryland Pre-Release Center would be a good place to put. Everyone always says not in my backyard, well Im about 2 miles from the Pre-Release place, and Ive been here 34 years, over that time there has been very few problems. The Acton Lane site is a terrible location, its too close to everything, homes, stores and people.
I've always thought it would the best place for it also. If no one has broken out of the PRC, this wouldn't be any worse because it will have the latest security features in it. Of course I've also said that, if MD allows me to carry, go ahead and built it here. Most escapees won't head to the closest neighborhood, they'll try to get as far away as possible.

I've done some work in that place off of Oaks Road and walked their entire lot in 2002. There's plenty of room there and the state will save money by having it all on one lot.

Maybe they would have their own baseball team.
The Hughesville Hoodlums or somethng like that !

It's interesting that the same Charles County Commissioner who gave away the land so the tax-sump baseball diamond could be built in Waldorf if the same Commissioner who told the State that the land in Waldorf was available for the kiddy prison. Wonder why she thinks she'll get re-elected?

What would be wrong with the jail? It will bring jobs to the area and jobs mean money. I don't see a problem with it.

What would be wrong with the jail? It will bring jobs to the area and jobs mean money. I don't see a problem with it.

Great! We can ask them to build it across the street from your house. Problem solved.

Great! We can ask them to build it across the street from your house. Problem solved.

I really doubt they are going to build it in someone's neighborhood, more likely in an area which is designated for business. Outside of my neighborhood is a business area which I would be happy to see it built there.

Maybe they would have their own baseball team.
The Hughesville Hoodlums or somethng like that !

Actually many years ago (about 34) they had a softball team that played in a mens softball league in Charles County, Ive played against them for several years.

Lemme get this straight...people seem to be welcoming a jail, but not a baseball team or college? Explains a lot. As for no problems, wasn't there a teacher that "got off'd" in the parking lot at Cheltenham and a small riot there a few years ago?

Perhaps people would not be so "welcoming" of a jail in Hughesville, if they knew how the current state facility is run at cheltenham. The Boys Village located in Cheltenham has been a cesspool of violence, escapes, murders/rapes and poorly trained staff, understaffing etc. I cannot understand for the life of me, how anyone would "welcome" another correctional facility that is an extension of what is a very broken and dysfunctional juvenile justice system that is in place now.

I would die to hear from any sort of state planner on how they intend to make this facility different from the rest of the childrens zoo's that the state already runs. What sorts of promises to the community will the state of Maryland make that they intend to make when one of their little sociopaths escapes at midnight and goes down to the wawa and carjacks a citizen and then goes on to commit some robberies? Who's going to ensure the staff isn't caught sleeping again only to find days later another teacher raped and murdered only this time in the great town of Hughesville. The individuals that these facilities house aren't your average truant high school kids. Most of them are hardcore offenders with many robberies, burglaries, arson, kidnapping, murders, shootings/stabbings under their belts. They refuse to take medication and the courts have deemed them criminals not insane. They are the spawn of a failed community system and broken homes. Their specialties are armed carjacking, robberies, auto theft and usually the reason they are in is because they aren't old enough to see the inside of a adult detention center and they didn't qualify to be on a GPS tracking/monitoring system. What the District of Columbia would refer to as "absconded youth."

The system is in need of a serious overhaul. Perhaps some quality supervision by Maryland State Police to oversee the security staff at the facilities is in order. Some sort of guarantee by the governors office that any new juvenile facility that is built in southern maryland isn't a repeat of Cheltenham or the laurel DYRS facility. Be careful what you allow into your community.

I covered the press conference today. Commissioner VP Collins never said he supports the Hughesville location, he said it's a better alternative than the middle of Waldorf "if it has to be in Charles County", with two schools and thousands of homes within a stone's throw away.

Perhaps people would not be so "welcoming" of a jail in Hughesville, if they knew how the current state facility is run at cheltenham. The Boys Village located in Cheltenham has been a cesspool of violence, escapes, murders/rapes and poorly trained staff, understaffing etc. I cannot understand for the life of me, how anyone would "welcome" another correctional facility that is an extension of what is a very broken and dysfunctional juvenile justice system that is in place now.

I would die to hear from any sort of state planner on how they intend to make this facility different from the rest of the childrens zoo's that the state already runs. What sorts of promises to the community will the state of Maryland make that they intend to make when one of their little sociopaths escapes at midnight and goes down to the wawa and carjacks a citizen and then goes on to commit some robberies? Who's going to ensure the staff isn't caught sleeping again only to find days later another teacher raped and murdered only this time in the great town of Hughesville. The individuals that these facilities house aren't your average truant high school kids. Most of them are hardcore offenders with many robberies, burglaries, arson, kidnapping, murders, shootings/stabbings under their belts. They refuse to take medication and the courts have deemed them criminals not insane. They are the spawn of a failed community system and broken homes. Their specialties are armed carjacking, robberies, auto theft and usually the reason they are in is because they aren't old enough to see the inside of a adult detention center and they didn't qualify to be on a GPS tracking/monitoring system. What the District of Columbia would refer to as "absconded youth."

The system is in need of a serious overhaul. Perhaps some quality supervision by Maryland State Police to oversee the security staff at the facilities is in order. Some sort of guarantee by the governors office that any new juvenile facility that is built in southern maryland isn't a repeat of Cheltenham or the laurel DYRS facility. Be careful what you allow into your community.



2 parent homes - father involvement so when little Johnny gets out of line, parents beat their ass without being concerned about a knock on the door from Social Services... :yay:

And you are right, these juvenile facilities are poorly run by a governor who brags that he has the same amount of staff now that the state had in the 60's... Never mind that this statement he has made makes me wonder where the money goes since you have so few workers.

I went to John Hopkins for a semester with a guy who had his face cut up at Cheltenham by one of the brats trying to break up a fight (guard). I asked how many stitches he got... and he said "I don't know...." He didn't even know it was that many.

Like IS said... Hughesville pre-release is a good spot - anywhere else just is something to scuff about but like you, I'm very concerned about how this is going to run vs. what they've already done in the past that hasn't worked.

I covered the press conference today. Commissioner VP Collins never said he supports the Hughesville location, he said it's a better alternative than the middle of Waldorf "if it has to be in Charles County", with two schools and thousands of homes within a stone's throw away.

Sooo! If I tell my big family dog that I don't support him pooping in my backyard and he poops in your backyard by default...I had nothing to do with the big steamy on the bottom of your foot? Excellent! Morally bankrupt political double talk...

Sooo! If I tell my big family dog that I don't support him pooping in my backyard and he poops in your backyard by default...I had nothing to do with the big steamy on the bottom of your foot? Excellent! Morally bankrupt political double talk...

Since I work for TheBAYNET and am covering this situation normal, I can't comment much on this... ESPECIALLY since there's a political story in all this.

Perhaps people would not be so "welcoming" of a jail in Hughesville, if they knew how the current state facility is run at cheltenham. The Boys Village located in Cheltenham has been a cesspool of violence, escapes, murders/rapes and poorly trained staff, understaffing etc. I cannot understand for the life of me, how anyone would "welcome" another correctional facility that is an extension of what is a very broken and dysfunctional juvenile justice system that is in place now.

These are the exact sentiments the hundreds of Waldorf residents who spoke at public meetings cited, and the thousands of people in Waldorf who sent in letters and signed petitions cited.

I really doubt they are going to build it in someone's neighborhood, more likely in an area which is designated for business. Outside of my neighborhood is a business area which I would be happy to see it built there.

There are several thousand people in Waldorf who hope your doubts are correct.

Lemme get this straight...people seem to be welcoming a jail, but not a baseball team or college? Explains a lot. As for no problems, wasn't there a teacher that "got off'd" in the parking lot at Cheltenham and a small riot there a few years ago?The Hughesville Business and Civic Alliance has been working diligently for over a year and a half to convince the College of Southern Maryland to choose Hughesville as the site for their central campus. The community is very excited to be in the running and we look forward to the possibility. Please visit Hughesville Business and Civic Alliance (http://www.hughesvillebusinessandcivicalliance.com) for more information.

The Hughesville Business and Civic Alliance has been working diligently for over a year and a half to convince the College of Southern Maryland to choose Hughesville as the site for their central campus. The community is very excited to be in the running and we look forward to the possibility. Please visit Hughesville Business and Civic Alliance (http://www.hughesvillebusinessandcivicalliance.com) for more information.

Glad to hear it. What's their position about the youth prison?

The Hughesville Business and Civic Alliance has been working diligently for over a year and a half to convince the College of Southern Maryland to choose Hughesville as the site for their central campus. The community is very excited to be in the running and we look forward to the possibility. Please visit Hughesville Business and Civic Alliance (http://www.hughesvillebusinessandcivicalliance.com) for more information.

I don't mean to be harsh, but I just read the mission and values statement...ooofah! OK. The plan is 6 years old, exactly what has this group accomplished? What I read was a bunch of nebulous hoooey. Where's the meat and potatos? Specifically, what stated goal or objective has this group accomplished? Again, sorry to be so direct.

The Hughesville Business and Civic Alliance has been working diligently for over a year and a half to convince the College of Southern Maryland to choose Hughesville as the site for their central campus. The community is very excited to be in the running and we look forward to the possibility. Please visit Hughesville Business and Civic Alliance (http://www.hughesvillebusinessandcivicalliance.com) for more information.

I'm pretty sure a Youth Jail will throw the KIbash (sp?) on most of these wordy & unfulfilled objectives of the group:

Objective 1 – Village Character
Maintain the boundary of the Village of Hughesville to be the same as the Priority Funding Area
(PFA) boundary, and establish appropriate zoning to support continued enhancement of the
main street area or village core character and village neighborhoods.
Objective 2 – Village Core Revitalization
Strive to maintain the village character while creating a revitalized main street area or village
core with public and private improvements.
• Public and private investments will include street trees, sidewalks, and landscaped
medians where appropriate, as well as public open spaces.
• Public infrastructure including water, sewer, road capacity and schools will be adequate
and accessible.
• Public and private development and redevelopment will strengthen the character and
economic base of the village.
Objective 3 – Village Core Design
Village core design standards will be used to maintain and enhance a small village character,
similar to other local villages, while discouraging large scale development locating within the
village.
• Design standards will encourage small-scale mixed use development and
redevelopment.
• Design standards will encourage adequate parking to be predominantly located behind
buildings where appropriate.
• Design standards will encourage buildings to be located along the main street within the
village core wherever practical.
• Design standards will encourage architectural guidelines for new development and
redevelopment that enhance the village character.
Objective 4 – Village Quality of Life
Enhance village quality of life through creating and enhancing public spaces, recreation
facilities, and cultural amenities, while providing adequate levels of public safety.
Objective 5 – Village Residential Neighborhoods
Maintain and enhance village residential neighborhoods to sustain the village core

The "possible" site proposed as a better alternative to the Waldorf site for the juvenile detention center will in no way detract from any of the plans to revitalize main street - the priority funding area, as designated by the state. Our organization formed two years ago. Active participants are the major businesses in Hughesville, such as, the owner of the All American Harley-Davidson dealership. The developer of Hughesville Station is also actively engaged. As a result of our efforts, countless meetings with county commissioners, county staff, the state delegates and Senators, money has been budgeted in the next two fiscal cycles for water and sewer, as well as, streetscaping. These things take time. A decision from CSM to locate here will help expedite the revitalization. In addition, SMECO will soon open their new operations center on main street. All employees from the previous White Plains location will be transferred to the new operations center, and will join the Hughesville employees at this center. The owner of the historic barn on Main Street has worked with members of HBCA to create an adaptive reuse of the structure. County inspectors and the fire marshall have inspected the barn and with some improvements the adaptive reuse can be accomplished. Again, these things take time...we are proud of the work we have done so far and will continue to lead the effort.

The "possible" site proposed as a better alternative to the Waldorf site for the juvenile detention center will in no way detract from any of the plans to revitalize main street - the priority funding area, as designated by the state. Our organization formed two years ago. Active participants are the major businesses in Hughesville, such as, the owner of the All American Harley-Davidson dealership. The developer of Hughesville Station is also actively engaged. As a result of our efforts, countless meetings with county commissioners, county staff, the state delegates and Senators, money has been budgeted in the next two fiscal cycles for water and sewer, as well as, streetscaping. These things take time. A decision from CSM to locate here will help expedite the revitalization. In addition, SMECO will soon open their new operations center on main street. All employees from the previous White Plains location will be transferred to the new operations center, and will join the Hughesville employees at this center. The owner of the historic barn on Main Street has worked with members of HBCA to create an adaptive reuse of the structure. County inspectors and the fire marshall have inspected the barn and with some improvements the adaptive reuse can be accomplished. Again, these things take time...we are proud of the work we have done so far and will continue to lead the effort.

Well, thank you for your hard work. Really, I do mean that. However, six years is a lot of time. Most of what you talked about hasn't actually happened. The barn is an eye-sore, I strongly recommend it be re-purposed into the garbage heap. Sorry, but it's structure monumentally detracts from the appearance. Another problem is self-evident, the bypass has really minimized traffic. I now drive around Hughesville everyday...almost never through it. No offense, this group doesn't seem to have accomplished very much, which I suspect is one of it's chief objectives. I know this is a little harsh and welcome you to prove me wrong through tangible works. Maybe, borrow La Plata's plan, while not perfect, I think they did a good job. Take care!

Well, thank you for your hard work. Really, I do mean that. However, six years is a lot of time. Most of what you talked about hasn't actually happened. The barn is an eye-sore, I strongly recommend it be re-purposed into the garbage heap. Sorry, but it's structure monumentally detracts from the appearance. Another problem is self-evident, the bypass has really minimized traffic. I now drive around Hughesville everyday...almost never through it. No offense, this group doesn't seem to have accomplished very much, which I suspect is one of it's chief objectives. I know this is a little harsh and welcome you to prove me wrong through tangible works. Maybe, borrow La Plata's plan, while not perfect, I think they did a good job. Take care!

Take a look at what the barns will look like with a face lift.

Take a look at what the barns will look like with a face lift.

The Barns at Hughesville

The Barns at Hughesville

OK. That is impressive. I really, really hope your group makes it happen. Forgive me, though, if I remain skeptical. Time will tell. Please don't forget to plan for some decent restuarants. The whole area could use them. I don't mind paying sales taxes in Chuck county and helping you out. Especially since Jarboe abandoned us in the northern end of St. Mary's county. Really, who votes to have sewer project moved out of their own district?

wow, i just read this first page and the link. really? this place should be built on acton lane. i lived there for a year behind Home Depot right down the street and a naked dead dude showed up behind Lowes. most kids of Acton Lane and pinefield prolly gonna end up here anyways. mine as well put that sh*t there to maybe scare some scence into them. lol