Something crazy happening here. Gate 1 practically empty this morning. Wishing everyone well.

Don't know if it's related, but the medivac chopper just flew over in a hurry, sounded like he was headed that way.

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Overturned vehicle

Oh my. too many accidents in a very short amount of time. Prayers for all the families.

how do you over turn a vehicle on a clear day with no turns and 35 mph speedl limit?

how do you over turn a vehicle on a clear day with no turns and 35 mph speedl limit?

35? What am I missing?

how do you over turn a vehicle on a clear day with no turns and 35 mph speedl limit?

It's 45, but it doesn't seem like a place you'd expect a rollover.

It's 45, but it doesn't seem like a place you'd expect a rollover.

It's 45, which means everyone is doing 60-65, because the police don't come out during rush hour.

wow, 45 mph. i'm surprised more cars aren't flipping over.

It's 45, which means everyone is doing 60-65, because the police don't come out during rush hour.

NY tag on SUV means 65 mph minimum. MD car is built like a wedge. Hits the taller SUV low on vehicle - it flips on side.
Pretty simple.

NY tag on SUV means 65 mph minimum. MD car is built like a wedge. Hits the taller SUV low on vehicle - it flips on side.
Pretty simple.

I wouldn't wager a guess. I would never claim to know the dynamics of car accidents. I really just try to avoid them.

Don't know what NY has to do with it. That's the average speed on 235.

New Yorkers are prone to driving like Nuts. Roll-Overs can occur if a Tire blows out, or if the Driver hits a curb while driving too fast.

Marylanders are prone to driving like Nuts, imho.

New Yorkers are prone to driving like Nuts. Roll-Overs can occur if a Tire blows out, or if the Driver hits a curb while driving too fast.

It's hard to be sure, but it looks like the impact was from the front of the car into the right side of the SUV. I'd bet that the SUV was turning left from 235 NB, the traffic in the left lane was stopped, and the car was moving normally.

The woman in the blue Toyota is a friend, she says she's sore all over but gonna be OK, in the hospital. Don't know about the guy that was flown out.

New Yorkers are prone to driving like Nuts. Roll-Overs can occur if a Tire blows out, or if the Driver hits a curb while driving too fast.

:duel: :biggrin: I was born/raised in NY and let me tell ya.....people around here drive like loons too. Just spent a long weekend back home. Driving back here yesterday, I almost got hit in Maryland 3 separate times. Bottom line....people drive like crap everywhere.

Having worked in auto claims for 10 years, I've seen/heard it all. People just need to pay attention to the damn road and put down the phones, cigs, burgers, beers, whatever it is that distracts them. I swear people are getting dumber/more careless all over the place.

:duel: :biggrin: I was born/raised in NY and let me tell ya.....people around here drive like loons too. Just spent a long weekend back home. Driving back here yesterday, I almost got hit in Maryland 3 separate times. Bottom line....people drive like crap everywhere.

Having worked in auto claims for 10 years, I've seen/heard it all. People just need to pay attention to the damn road and put down the phones, cigs, burgers, beers, whatever it is that distracts them. I swear people are getting dumber/more careless all over the place.

You forget... "and slow the hell down".

The woman in the blue Toyota is a friend, she says she's sore all over but gonna be OK, in the hospital. Don't know about the guy that was flown out.

Glad she's gonna' be okay. Did she say who's fault is was?

You forget... "and slow the hell down".

:yay: That's for sure!

:duel: :biggrin: I was born/raised in NY and let me tell ya.....people around here drive like loons too. Just spent a long weekend back home. Driving back here yesterday, I almost got hit in Maryland 3 separate times. Bottom line....people drive like crap everywhere.

Having worked in auto claims for 10 years, I've seen/heard it all. People just need to pay attention to the damn road and put down the phones, cigs, burgers, beers, whatever it is that distracts them. I swear people are getting dumber/more careless all over the place.

I don't mind New York or New Jersey drivers, as they all drive fast. Usually they are used to speed and are good, fast, aggressive drivers that you can depend on being alert.
The bad part comes when you add morons who don't pay attention to driving and have no idea what they are doing, but insist that they have to be in front.
Not a good mix.

Glad she's gonna' be okay. Did she say who's fault is was?

She said she was in center lane, vehicles on either side, and then suddenly there was a red SUV in front of her! Couldn't avoid it. Baynet said a man was flown out, but she says person in red SUV was a woman.

She said she was in center lane, vehicles on either side, and then suddenly there was a red SUV in front of her! Couldn't avoid it. Baynet said a man was flown out, but she says person in red SUV was a woman.

Wouldn't be the first time baynet got it wrong.

She said she was in center lane, vehicles on either side, and then suddenly there was a red SUV in front of her! Couldn't avoid it. Baynet said a man was flown out, but she says person in red SUV was a woman.
Could have been a russian shot putter, very easy to make the mistake.

She said she was in center lane, vehicles on either side, and then suddenly there was a red SUV in front of her!

So common around here that people see one lane stopped and think they'll be able to go across all lanes. If you can't see ALL oncoming lanes, don't just gun it and pray.

how do you over turn a vehicle on a clear day with no turns and 35 mph speedl limit?

Leave it to a SMIB. Happens too often.

Leave it to a SMIB. Happens too often.

A SMIB with NY tags? Really?

So common around here that people see one lane stopped and think they'll be able to go across all lanes. If you can't see ALL oncoming lanes, don't just gun it and pray.

The attitude around here is "whatever. They need to look out for me."

So common around here that people see one lane stopped and think they'll be able to go across all lanes. If you can't see ALL oncoming lanes, don't just gun it and pray.

I saw a woman do that one day at the U-Turn where Toyota of Southern Maryland is. All three lanes N/B were stopped and all three cars left a gap for her to U-Turn. She took it and jumped to the turn lane only to get smacked by a Mustang doing about 40 MPH.

My policy isnt that any entrance I make should be done so that the other traffic can miss me, but that they should not even have to change velocity in any way.

So common around here that people see one lane stopped and think they'll be able to go across all lanes. If you can't see ALL oncoming lanes, don't just gun it and pray.

Was the SUV doing a U-turn? I've seen many close calls there; Alot of people skip the left turn light (because when it's red it takes forever) to turn into Wyle & go up to that turn lane to do a U turn. And of course someone heading North & wanting to turn left into the Church has the same problem when traffic is heavy.

I despise the U-turn mentality that the 'planners' incorporated on Rt. 235.

Was the SUV doing a U-turn? I've seen many close calls there; Alot of people skip the left turn light (because when it's red it takes forever) to turn into Wyle & go up to that turn lane to do a U turn. And of course someone heading North & wanting to turn left into the Church has the same problem when traffic is heavy.

I despise the U-turn mentality that the 'planners' incorporated on Rt. 235.

It happened in front of the church. I am ASSuming they were either doing a U-turn or turning in to IHM.

It's 45, which means everyone is doing 60-65, because the police don't come out during rush hour.

There has been more police presense out at that time lately, but its not helping, they are way out numbered. Besides if an accident is going to happen, it going to happen, so does it matter if they are out there or not?

:duel: :biggrin: I was born/raised in NY and let me tell ya.....people around here drive like loons too. Just spent a long weekend back home. Driving back here yesterday, I almost got hit in Maryland 3 separate times. Bottom line....people drive like crap everywhere.

Having worked in auto claims for 10 years, I've seen/heard it all. People just need to pay attention to the damn road and put down the phones, cigs, burgers, beers, whatever it is that distracts them. I swear people are getting dumber/more careless all over the place.
I was born, and raised in New York also. IMO the Drivers there take the Cake for aggressive driving.

There has been more police presense out at that time lately, but its not helping, they are way out numbered. Besides if an accident is going to happen, it going to happen, so does it matter if they are out there or not?

Maybe becuase the real issue isnt speeding, but failure to yield?

Maybe becuase the real issue isnt speeding, but failure to yield?

Along with no common sense driving, such as people forcing there way in traffic at a U-turn while traffic is practically at a stand still, and very nice drivers make room for them, but I saw the driver making the U turn at Navy Fed drive straight across all four lanes into the car dealer ship across the street, while a car traveling in the right turn lane almost nailed him because he did not see him, WTF.

My policy isnt that any entrance I make should be done so that the other traffic can miss me, but that they should not even have to change velocity in any way.

you and I are in the minority. The rule of thumb seems to be "if I can get my vehicle in front of you... then any resulting accident is on you"

I despise the U-turn mentality that the 'planners' incorporated on Rt. 235.

They need to close all the cross overs / U turns from Hollywood South to the base. Make people go to the traffic light controlled intersection for a cross over / U turn :buddies:

They need to close all the cross overs / U turns from Hollywood South to the base. Make people go to the traffic light controlled intersection for a cross over / U turn :buddies:

:buddies: And they need to stop putting up lights every 200 yards.

And people need to do the posted speed limit in that area... :cheers:

:buddies: And they need to stop putting up lights every 200 yards.

If they closed the cross overs they wouldn't need a light every 200 yards.

If they closed the cross overs they wouldn't need a light every 200 yards.

Ed Zachary.

Along with no common sense driving, such as people forcing there way in traffic at a U-turn while traffic is practically at a stand still, and very nice drivers make room for them, but I saw the driver making the U turn at Navy Fed drive straight across all four lanes into the car dealer ship across the street, while a car traveling in the right turn lane almost nailed him because he did not see him, WTF.

The traffic exiting Navy Federal straight across to illegally enter that U-turn and the people going from Wawa across three lanes to take the left on Buck Hewitt are the two most dangerous groups n that stretch of 235, IMHO. Followed very closely by the traffic exiting the church to the south wanting to go north.

The traffic exiting Navy Federal straight across to illegally enter that U-turn and the people going from Wawa across three lanes to take the left on Buck Hewitt are the two most dangerous groups n that stretch of 235, IMHO. Followed very closely by the traffic exiting the church to the south wanting to go north.

If I need to make a u-turn from NFCU, I exit out by BWW and then proceed to the turn lane.

People that insist on holding up the WaWa exit traffic in order to make the u-turn during rush hour/lunch traffic bugs the crap out of me. Just go to the next effing light and wait your turn.

If I need to make a u-turn from NFCU, I exit out by BWW and then proceed to the turn lane.

People that insist on holding up the WaWa exit traffic in order to make the u-turn during rush hour/lunch traffic bugs the crap out of me. Just go to the next effing light and wait your turn.

Me, I just head down to the turnaround at the moving company.

Me, I just head down to the turnaround at the moving company.

That can be done, too.

. Just go to the next effing light and wait your turn.

Or. You could could just sit behind me and wait your turn.

Or you could be more considerate of the 5 people behind you, perhaps?

We used to have what I call 'feeder roads' into shopping malls, or stretches of retail/food establishments; you gracefully exited onto the feeder road & there was no way to merge back onto the main drag/highway. You did your business, got back onto the feeder road & went to the next intersection where you either merged back into traffic or went through a controlled light. Kind of like all the turn lanes here, but more controlled. *This was in Virginia Beach.*

If I need to make a u-turn from NFCU, I exit out by BWW and then proceed to the turn lane.

People that insist on holding up the WaWa exit traffic in order to make the u-turn during rush hour/lunch traffic bugs the crap out of me. Just go to the next effing light and wait your turn.

If it really bugs the crap out of you, why don't YOU take the exit on Rue Purchase to go north? Got a problem with the traffic patterns? Blame this great state of Maryland, not the drivers who are not breaking any laws trying to get to their destination.

If it really bugs the crap out of you, why don't YOU take the exit on Rue Purchase to go north? Got a problem with the traffic patterns? Blame this great state of Maryland, not the drivers who are not breaking any laws trying to get to their destination.

That's what I do, however, the point is valid. That whole stretch is rife with a lot of stupid design choices that almost seem intended to tempt drivers into stupid choices. Like a ledge in a video game that's almost in reach, tempting the player to try again and again, these places on the 235 are like bait to drivers. And we continue to pay a price. Matter of fact, looking over it on Maps, the one exit from WaWa in question should not even exist. Not even enough room to get up to speed before it turns into right turn only.

Google Maps (http://goo.gl/maps/Jo6u8)

Seal it off.

And this U-turn should have a barrier to prevent folks from exiting NavFed from crossing straight over to it......

Google Maps (http://goo.gl/maps/e5j1q)

That's what I do, however, the point is valid. That whole stretch is rife with a lot of stupid design choices that almost seem intended to tempt drivers into stupid choices. Like a ledge in a video game that's almost in reach, tempting the player to try again and again, these places on the 235 are like bait to drivers. And we continue to pay a price. Matter of fact, looking over it on Maps, the one exit from WaWa in question should not even exist. Not even enough room to get up to speed before it turns into right turn only.

Google Maps (http://goo.gl/maps/Jo6u8)

Seal it off.

And this U-turn should have a barrier to prevent folks from exiting NavFed from crossing straight over to it......

Google Maps (http://goo.gl/maps/e5j1q)

Haven't I warned you before about using common sense and simple physics in discussions about traffic? Knock it off! :nono:

Haven't I warned you before about using common sense and simple physics in discussions about traffic? Knock it off! :nono:

I know, I know........but, but............why is it so flipping hard?

If it really bugs the crap out of you, why don't YOU take the exit on Rue Purchase to go north? Got a problem with the traffic patterns? Blame this great state of Maryland, not the drivers who are not breaking any laws trying to get to their destination.
As I recall you're only allowed a single lane change every hundred feet, this would be the equivilent of 4 consecutive lane changes.

And of course, that doesnt cover the fact that being legally right doesn't mean you are not acting like an ass#$%. Look at the Westboro Baptist Church. Should we blame the courts for their behavior? Of course not, just because you have the legal right to act like an ass doesn't mean it's right to do so.

Could have been a russian shot putter, very easy to make the mistake.

:killingme

As I recall you're only allowed a single lane change every hundred feet, this would be the equivilent of 4 consecutive lane changes.

and you recall this from where? So, if I'm coming out of a single lane cross street, making a turn onto a 4 lane highway, you're trying to tell me I can't proceed to the far right hand lane?

It does if the government enables one to do so. You're logic sucks! We are talking about traffic, not the Westboro church. If a person is not breaking a law, but you don't like what they are doing, that person is an ass? You must be a real pleasure to be around!

Actually, I think I am fun to be around, but I might be biased:killingme It's not about what I don't like, it's what almost everyone doesn't like. I think you will find that people generally agree that people who inconvenience others for their own convenience are looked upon as selfish asses. I used the WBC as an extreme example of legal but wrong. The government allows me to do many things legally that most people agree are not right.

If we as a society only use "What I can legally get away with" as the yardstick of proper interpersonal behavior, we have sort of lost our way, I think. There is a right and wrong way to treat others, above and beyond whats required by law. and sticking it to others just so you may shave a few seconds off your time in traffic isn't right, even if it is legal.

If I need to make a u-turn from NFCU, I exit out by BWW and then proceed to the turn lane.

People that insist on holding up the WaWa exit traffic in order to make the u-turn during rush hour/lunch traffic bugs the crap out of me. Just go to the next effing light and wait your turn.

They are more important than you, just be patient.

And of course, that doesnt cover the fact that being legally right doesn't mean you are not acting like an ass#$%. Look at the Westboro Baptist Church. Should we blame the courts for their behavior? Of course not, just because you have the legal right to act like an ass doesn't mean it's right to do so.

the fact that you have to wait doesn't make me an a$$

They are more important than you, just be patient.

Lines happen. We all wait. Though I would love to run into you in a wal-mart or food lion check out line - no doubt you will let me get in front of you - since you are such a thoughtful person :love:

the fact that you have to wait doesn't make me an a$$

Unless of course, I have to wait extra long because you cant be bothered to go the sensible way, that would make you an ass:)

Unless of course, I have to wait extra long because you cant be bothered to go the sensible way, that would make you an ass:)

You don't have to wait. You can go the sensible way ;)

the fact that you have to wait doesn't make me an a$$

But the fact that you are an ass makes you an ass.

But the fact that you are an ass makes you an ass.

concur

You don't have to wait. You can go the sensible way ;)

And I do. I have said the only sensible way out of there is the northern path. That doesnt mean its okay make others wait on your convenience. That southern entrance should be blocked.

and you recall this from where? So, if I'm coming out of a single lane cross street, making a turn onto a 4 lane highway, you're trying to tell me I can't proceed to the far right hand lane?

I seem to recall from my driver's ed class, that's the case - you are supposed to turn into the closest available lane, not cut across the highway to a lane of your choice.

Doesn't matter anyway, though. I also recall that one of the first things they taught us in that class is that your first responsibility is to avoid a collision. Even if it means giving up right-of-way, or not getting the lane you want.

And the people cutting across the highway at that location, at rush hour, are doing a piss-poor job of avoiding a collision. Yeah, it's a ####ty highway design. Whining about it won't help you after you get t-boned there because you were impatient.