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nhboy
08-13-2012, 02:52 PM
Link to original article. (http://mediamatters.org/research/2012/08/13/fox-spins-ryans-harmful-medicare-plan-as-safe-f/189308)

"Fox claimed that Rep. Paul Ryan's (R-WI) proposed changes to Medicare would not affect today's seniors. In fact, Ryan's budget would force the cost of health care higher for today's seniors by forcing them to pay thousands of dollars more for prescription drugs, creating a voucher system that would drive health care costs higher, and sharply cutting Medicaid, a program heavily utilized by seniors. "

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"The Medicare Prescription Drug Benefit Originally Contained A "Doughnut Hole" Requiring Seniors To Pay Thousands Of Dollars For Prescription Drugs. The Medicare Prescription Drug Benefit as passed in 2003 paid a percentage of prescription drug costs when seniors spent up to $750 per year on prescriptions. After that, it required seniors to pay the entire costs of their prescription drugs until they had spent a total of $3,600 per year. By 2009, seniors were required to pay more than $3,000 per year on prescription drugs. [Northwestern University, 2009]

The Affordable Care Act Closed The Prescription Drug Benefit "Doughnut Hole." FactCheck.org reported that the Affordable Care Act closed the doughnut hole that required seniors to pay thousands out of pocket.

From FactCheck.org:

The Democrats' bill also boosts certain benefits: It makes preventive care free and closes the "doughnut hole," a current gap in prescription drug coverage for seniors. [FactCheck.org, 3/19/10]

But The Ryan Budget Would Re-Open The "Doughnut Hole," Costing Seniors Billions. In a March 28 report, the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities (CBPP) found that the Ryan budget's repeal of health care reform's doughnut hole fix would "adversely affect current Medicare beneficiaries as well as those not yet eligible." The report expanded on this finding, explaining:".....

Gilligan
08-13-2012, 02:58 PM
Say Cellarboy...when was the date that the current Medicare system goes completely broke if changes are not made?

Medicare is going to change and pretty radically. The only question is when and how. Odd that the Dems try so hard to ignore that simple fact. Is it simply because the Dems can never focus on a timeline longer than the one between them and the next election?

Chris0nllyn
08-13-2012, 03:05 PM
Doesn't Obamacare cut Medicare also? To the tune of $500 billion-ish dollars?

Gilligan
08-13-2012, 03:07 PM
Doesn't Obamacare cut Medicare also? To the tune of $500 billion-ish dollars?

Yep..there it is. Barry is a grandma-killer too.

But I do like his latest campaign poster.

Larry Gude
08-13-2012, 03:09 PM
The Onion Plan;

9QuFnOYcy4E

Gilligan
08-13-2012, 04:23 PM
Obama comes out in full support of Ryan's plans.

Wow..I didn't expect this to happen.

Flashback: Obama promised entitlement reform in 2008 debate; Update: January 2009, too « Hot Air (http://hotair.com/archives/2012/08/13/flashback-obama-promised-entitlement-reform-in-2008-debate/)

aps45819
08-13-2012, 04:27 PM
Doesn't Obamacare cut Medicare also? To the tune of $500 billion-ish dollars?

$780 billion

Giantone
08-13-2012, 04:41 PM
The Onion Plan;

9QuFnOYcy4E

I'm sure gillian likes this.:whistle:

Larry Gude
08-13-2012, 04:44 PM
I'm sure gillian likes this.:whistle:

From what I've gathered of his sense of humor, I'd say, yeah, he probably thinks it's funny as hell.

If you're looking for bias, it's more a knock on the left wing position, 'nothing is wrong that taxing rich people making over $100,000 won't fix' than the right wing 'there's a whole lot more wrong than that.'

:shrug:

Chris0nllyn
08-13-2012, 04:50 PM
$780 billion

Even better.

So, where's the argument coming from?

The left can't really say much, because their beloved plan does the exact same thing.

NHBoy, Giantone, anyone willing to comment on this from your side of the table?

BOP
08-13-2012, 05:35 PM
The Onion Plan;

9QuFnOYcy4E

You notice that the resident progressives all like it. Mainly because they believe it's a real plan.

Larry Gude
08-13-2012, 05:48 PM
You notice that the resident progressives all like it. Mainly because they believe it's a real plan.

That doesn't follow. They could give a #### about solutions of any kind to deficits and debt and ever growing entitlements. They're FOR them.

:shrug:

FromTexas
08-13-2012, 05:57 PM
Video: Romney, Ryan play offense on Medicare in 60 Minutes appearance « Hot Air (http://hotair.com/archives/2012/08/13/video-romney-ryan-play-offense-on-medicare-in-60-minutes-appearance/)

Poor NH - helping the Dems reach a little as they wallow in their quicksand. :killingme

cwo_ghwebb
08-13-2012, 06:20 PM
Media Matters is a joke as is FactCheck.org.

One little fact they've omitted. The Ryan plans changes to Mediscare only affect those who are 55 and younger, giving them time to plan accordingly. Unfortunately, the Obama plan doesn't contain any such provisions.

Let Media Smatters stick to throwing crap on the wall and seeing what sticks. Otherwise they make about as much sense, so easily debunked, as nhtoy and teeenypenus..

FromTexas
08-13-2012, 07:59 PM
Media Matters is a joke as is FactCheck.org.

One little fact they've omitted. The Ryan plans changes to Mediscare only affect those who are 55 and younger, giving them time to plan accordingly. Unfortunately, the Obama plan doesn't contain any such provisions.

Let Media Smatters stick to throwing crap on the wall and seeing what sticks. Otherwise they make about as much sense, so easily debunked, as nhtoy and teeenypenus..

Which Obama plan do you mean? The one where they cut over $700 billion from Medicare to pay for Obamacare - an unproven policy paid for on the back of seniors?

BOP
08-13-2012, 08:21 PM
Doesn't Obamacare cut Medicare also? To the tune of $500 billion-ish dollars?

$700 Billion.

We're almost talking real money here.

FromTexas
08-14-2012, 06:59 AM
$700 Billion.

We're almost talking real money here.

Still silence from the left on the $700 billion that Obama cut from Medicare?


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