Link to original article. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/14/janna-ryan-paul-ryan-wife_n_1774265.html?utm_hp_ref=tw)

"WASHINGTON -- Janna Ryan was introduced to America on Saturday as a stay-at-home mom who has raised three children while her husband, Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), built a career in Washington.

But the wife of Mitt Romney's vice presidential pick spent a decade in Washington herself, first as a congressional aide and then as a corporate lobbyist, whose clients included the cigar industry, a logging company, drugmakers, the health insurance industry and a nuclear power plant. "

.....

"Over just three years, Ryan's 20 corporate clients paid more than $2.7 million in lobbying fees to her two employers, Pricewaterhouse Coopers and Williams & Jensen, according to records compiled by the Center for Responsive Politics.

Her client roster reads like a who's who of some of America's most politically polarizing corporate interests. Drug industry clients included the Pharmaceutical Researchers and Manufacturers Alliance (PhRMA), Wyeth Pharmaceuticals and Novartis. Oil industry clients included Conoco and Marathon Oil. Big health insurance companies Blue Cross Blue Shield and Cigna were also on the list.

From 1998 to 2000, Ryan was part of a small team that lobbied the House, Senate and White House on behalf of the Cigar Association of America to exclude cigars from many of the same regulations placed on cigarettes, like warning labels and excise taxes. PwC received $760,000 from the cigar lobby during Ryan's tenure.

The cigar lobbying effort was launched to fend off congressional scrutiny of the industry, following revelations in the late 1990s that cigar manufacturers had orchestrated a decades-long campaign to make cigars look cool, and to minimize their health hazards. This included paying celebrities to smoke cigars at events and launching Cigar Aficionado magazine, which portrayed cigars as an elite hobby. Cigars contain as much nicotine as several cigarettes."

I wonder if she's always been proud to be an American or did she just become proud now that her husband has been chosen to run as VP...:confused:

How does this compare to the job FLOTUS had at a hospital that she was not qualified to do and was so valuable that she was not replaced?

So?

The left got its panties in a twist over the fact that Ann Romney "never worked a day in her life". Now we're supposed to convulse over the fact that the VP candidate's wife - did?

Can we please hear more about Paul Ryan's wife's high school government teacher? Or how she gave her cancer?

You people don't listen, do you


CIGARS!!!!!:cds:!!!! LUMBER!!!!:cds:!!!!I=OIL!!!!:cds:!!!!DRUGS!!!!:cds:!!!!

This woman gave people cancer, helped kill off the spotted owl, destroyed Alaska and the Gulf States, and helped ensure Granny couldnt get the heart medicine she needed.

Ah, gotta love connotations........

You people don't listen, do you


CIGARS!!!!!:cds:!!!! LUMBER!!!!:cds:!!!!I=OIL!!!!:cds:!!!!DRUGS!!!!:cds:!!!!

This woman gave people cancer, helped kill off the spotted owl, destroyed Alaska and the Gulf States, and helped ensure Granny couldnt get the heart medicine she needed.

Ah, gotta love connotations........

you guys are funny, the obvious implication is that Ryan, a sitting member of congress was married to an active lobbyist.
Now is that really an issue? probably not, but it is certainly something that either side would bring up as an issue if it was a guy from the other party they were talking about.

nonothing, you and the rest of the libs are really pathetic trying to make Ryan and now his wife look bad. All you end up doing is making yourself look stupid along with the rest of the people that think as you do.

And the attacks on the spouse begin.

Why not go ahead and start slamming the little kids, too, and get it out of the way?

Michelle Obama is way more reprehensible than this woman :shrug:

It always makes me wonder why anyone with a family would ever run for office in this country...

Slimeballs picking through everything in their lives looking for some hook, not to make their candidate look better mind you... Just to embarrass and make the opposition look bad... With the tenuous links to anything of substance at best...

I could never run for office... too many skeletons definitely... but I'd be breaking jaws... These families do not deserve this...

you guys are funny, the obvious implication is that Ryan, a sitting member of congress was married to an active lobbyist.
Now is that really an issue? probably not, but it is certainly something that either side would bring up as an issue if it was a guy from the other party they were talking about.

No, you are funny, trying to say that the meat of the article is something other than an attempt to make her look bad because she lobbied for evil companies. You should read the whole article, because they address the implication you talk about in the fourth paragraph. I'll make it easier to read for you.....

Ryan, born Janna Christine Little, quit her lobbying job shortly after marrying her husband in late 2000,

I could never run for office... too many skeletons definitely... but I'd be breaking jaws... These families do not deserve this...

Harry Reid has proven satisfactorily that you don't even need dirt - you can just make #### up.

No, you are funny, trying to say that the meat of the article is something other than an attempt to make her look bad because she lobbied for evil companies. You should read the whole article, because they address the implication you talk about in the fourth paragraph. I'll make it easier to read for you.....


since you obviously didn't get to the bottm of the article.....
In 1998, the same year that her future husband was elected to Congress, Ryan was also part of a team that received $220,000 in fees for lobbying on behalf of United Parcel Service, part of the company's ultimately successful effort to defeat a postal reform bill, which would have made the U.S. Postal Service more profitable.

The effects of that effort can still be felt today. Earlier in August, after a decade of continued revenue decline, the Postal Service defaulted on payments due to the U.S. Treasury.

Ryan and her then-boyfriend's work appear to have overlapped. In February 2000 while Janna Ryan still was working on behalf of UPS, Paul Ryan made one of only two corporate-funded trips he took that year, from Milwaukee to Atlanta, where UPS is headquartered. The trip was paid for by UPS, which also flew the congressman back to Washington, according to his financial disclosure reports.

Don't get me wrong, lobbyists are scum; but Michelle Obama is lower than a lobbyist :yay:

since you obviously didn't get to the bottm of the article.....

Ryan and her then-boyfriend's work appear to have overlapped
In what alternate universe does "then boyfriend" mean "married?"

UPS has lobbyists? Who knew? :jet:

BFD. :bigwhoop:

In what alternate universe does "then boyfriend" mean "married?"

You got me, they weren't married. But whats the difference if they were actually married or engaged/dating at the time. He was a congressman, she was a lobbyist, and they were in a relationship.

You got me, they weren't married. But whats the difference if they were actually married or engaged/dating at the time. He was a congressman, she was a lobbyist, and they were in a relationship.

Sounds like a conflict of interest to me :shrug:

Okay, I'll be the first to say it:

So what?

12 years ago Paul Ryan was dating a UPS lobbyist who quit her job when they got married.

So what?

You got me, they weren't married. But whats the difference if they were actually married or engaged/dating at the time. He was a congressman, she was a lobbyist, and they were in a relationship.

So she had a job when they met. She didn't get the job because of his position like another infamous spouse we know.

You got me, they weren't married. But whats the difference if they were actually married or engaged/dating at the time. He was a congressman, she was a lobbyist, and they were in a relationship.

So what?

So what?

as i already said, its probably not an issue

Personally, I don't want my elected officials getting handies from lobbyists :shrug:

as i already said, its probably not an issue

Then shut up about it.

Personally, I don't want my elected officials getting handies from lobbyists :shrug:

They all do. That she actually quit after they were married says something about her character - and his. Most of them use their respective positions to form a partnership and further each other.

*cough* Barack and Michelle *cough*

*cough* Bill and Hillary *cough*

Then shut up about it.

well there is the intelligent and adult response i have come to expect from you and the ardent right on this board :notimpressed:


Lets just ignore all politician's connections to lobbyists. Nothing to see here, move along :killingme

well there is the intelligent and adult response i have come to expect from you and the ardent right on this board :notimpressed:


Lets just ignore all politician's connections to lobbyists. Nothing to see here, move along :killingme

You said it's not an issue. I guess that makes you one of the ardent right, doesn't it?

Lets just ignore all politician's connections to lobbyists.

Unless they are Republicans, right? :killingme

Glass Houses. Just sayin. :shrug:

White House visitor logs show lobbying going strong - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/white-house-visitor-logs-show-lobbying-going-strong/2012/05/20/gIQA2ok4dU_story.html)


The White House visitor records make it clear that Obama’s senior officials are granting that access to some of K Street’s most influential representatives. In many cases, those lobbyists have long-standing connections to the president or his aides. Republican lobbyists coming to visit are rare, while Democratic lobbyists are common, whether they are representing corporate clients or liberal causes.

And the attacks on the spouse begin.

Why not go ahead and start slamming the little kids, too, and get it out of the way?

Do you think Larry believes me now?

You got me, they weren't married. But whats the difference if they were actually married or engaged/dating at the time. He was a congressman, she was a lobbyist, and they were in a relationship.

Where is that illegal??

Or are you suggesting the govenment should be able to tell you who you can and can't date, or marry?

well there is the intelligent and adult response i have come to expect from you and the ardent right on this board :notimpressed:


Lets just ignore all politician's connections to lobbyists. Nothing to see here, move along :killingme

can you point to a single impropriety that came from this relationship??

I'm sure he didn't have sex with that Woman while they were dating..

as i already said, its probably not an issue

well there is the intelligent and adult response i have come to expect from you and the ardent right on this board :notimpressed:


Lets just ignore all politician's connections to lobbyists. Nothing to see here, move along :killingme

:bawl: I hate sad stories

can you point to a single impropriety that came from this relationship??

I'm sure he didn't have sex with that Woman while they were dating..

to play itsbob for a minute.....
Can you prove that none did?

to play itsbob for a minute.....
Can you prove that none did?

You'd have to be much smarter and cuter to play itsbob. You should play Dip#### instead - that would only require a slight wardrobe adjustment.

I'm sure he didn't have sex with that Woman while they were dating..

:killingme

You'd have to be much smarter and cuter to play itsbob. You should play Dip#### instead - that would only require a slight wardrobe adjustment.

isnt that cute, nothing but a very poor attempt at an insult :poorbaby:

to play itsbob for a minute.....
Can you prove that none did?

Actually that's not my ploy.. I'm not a democrat.

I know, how dare she have a JOB, and apparently be damn good at it.. who does that uppity woman think she is??

And seeing how it's been almost THREE days, and Obama hasn't called him a felon yet.. yeah, I guess I can prove that none happened.

Actually that's not my ploy.. I'm not a democrat.

I know, how dare she have a JOB, and apparently be damn good at it.. who does that uppity woman think she is??

i see, you are a strawman kind of guy :killingme

i see, you are a strawman kind of guy :killingme

Delicious irony....

Delicious irony....

even more so when its coming from the queen of strawman. Why does the DNC pay women less then men anyway :killingme

Delicious irony....

I found this recently, we should make this a new smilie....

to play itsbob for a minute.....
Can you prove that none did?

Why don't you just cut to the chase and come right out and say that you think the woman is a WHORE, a plain and simple whore who screwed her way into a fake marriage, a sham she has kept up for 20 something years just to promote cigars, postage stamps or what other ridiculous thing you can dream up. Those kids? Just props to mask her true desire to rule the world and use her vagina to sway the political process in her dark masters way!


Then do a maniacal laugh. Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha :evil:

Then tell us all again you are not a liberal and you are a conservative just playing the part of spoiler.

Why don't you just cut to the chase and come right out and say that you think the woman is a WHORE, a plain and simple whore who screwed her way into a fake marriage, a sham she has kept up for 20 something years just to promote cigars, postage stamps or what other ridiculous thing you can dream up. Those kids? Just props to mask her true desire to rule the world and use her vagina to sway the political process in her dark masters way!


Then do a maniacal laugh. Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha :evil:

Then tell us all again you are not a liberal and you are a conservative just playing the part of spoiler.

wow, and i thought itsbob was taking his strawman to an extreme.

to throw one back at ya, Why dont you come out and say that you are fine with all congressmen literally being in bed with lobbyists, literally :killingme

wow, and i thought itsbob was taking his strawman to an extreme.

to throw one back at ya, Why dont you come out and say that you are fine with all congressmen literally being in bed with lobbyists, literally :killingme

Do it

Grow a set and call the woman a whore.

You know you want to, stop being coy. Just type it, come on, you can do it.

Do it

Grow a set and call the woman a whore.

You know you want to, stop being coy. Just type it, come on, you can do it.

wow, now the angry strawman, way too cool for me man, you have it going on :killingme

wow, and i thought itsbob was taking his strawman to an extreme.

Did you just learn that word or something?

Did you just learn that word or something?

she is really on fire today ladies and gentlemen :killingme

first she put me in my place with her pitiful attmept at an insult and now this......

Did you just learn that word or something?

A couple more years and he'll learn how to use the word correctly so he doesn't look like a total ignoramus every time he posts it.

she is really on fire today ladies and gentlemen :killingme

first she put me in my place with her pitiful attmept at an insult and now this......

Yeah I'm sure she's crying in a corner, stifled by your immense intellect :killingme

A couple more years and he'll learn how to use the word correctly so he doesn't look like a total ignoramus every time he posts it.


:killingme

you can tell when SOMDers cant defend their points, nothing but name calling and insults :killingme

wow, now the angry strawman, way too cool for me man, you have it going on :killingme

Come on, just do it. Call the woman a whore. I mean it's not like you actually know her, no one is going to tell her you said it, hell the DU might even give you a free membership. You know you want to. You have eluded to it plenty, just reach down and grab a handfull and let it rip and call her a whore.

you guys are funny, the obvious implication is that Ryan, a sitting member of congress was married to an active lobbyist.
Now is that really an issue? probably not, but it is certainly something that either side would bring up as an issue if it was a guy from the other party they were talking about.

since you obviously didn't get to the bottm of the article.....

Nothing to defend, your claim that the fig leaf is the whole story just doesn't hang together. The point of the article is to link her name with industries with negative connotations in peoples minds. That's why we get more of that, and a little bit of "well, maybe, just possibly, they might have had stuff in common". No proof that she did influence anything he did, of course.

But, all that aside, you claimed he was married to her when she was a lobbyist, then backed off that when proven wrong an changed tacks. You were wrong about that, and you're wrong about the point of the article, and are trying to cover that up with insult games like a cat with not enough litter in the box. Still stinks, sorry.

:killingme

you can tell when SOMDers cant defend their points, nothing but name calling and insults :killingme

I don't understand what it is I'm supposed to be defending..

Can you and your scarecrow enlighten me?

I thought it was you that first brought up the issue of a grown man dating and then marrying a grown woman..

I have nothing to defend, as I didn't see an issue with two heteros dating, marrying and having a nice family in the process.

:killingme

you can tell when SOMDers cant defend their points, nothing but name calling and insults :killingme

Yeah. Sure. Cause you've NEVER name called or insulted anyone that doesn't agree with you, amirite? :killingme

I'm with the lefties on this one. Congressmen should not be fingerbanging lobbyists :yay:

Come on, just do it. Call the woman a whore. I mean it's not like you actually know her, no one is going to tell her you said it, hell the DU might even give you a free membership. You know you want to. You have eluded to it plenty, just reach down and grab a handfull and let it rip and call her a whore.
an extreme strawman you have built, but it reflects your opinion, not mine.
So let me put that back at you, why dont you just come out and say that you think all congresssmen should trade sex and money with lobbyists for their policital favors? Just say it, the whole of the RNC will rejoice when you do :killingme

I'm with the lefties on this one. Congressmen should not be fingerbanging lobbyists :yay:

Even if they use their left hand?

Yeah. Sure. Cause you've NEVER name called or insulted anyone that doesn't agree with you, amirite? :killingme

ah, the you did it first defense..... that makes it all better :bigwhoop:

I'm with the lefties on this one. Congressmen should not be fingerbanging lobbyists :yay:

I dont get it. 2 people met at work, fell in love and got married. So what?

:killingme

you can tell when SOMDers cant defend their points, nothing but name calling and insults :killingme

well there is the intelligent and adult response i have come to expect from you and the ardent right on this board :notimpressed:


Lets just ignore all politician's connections to lobbyists. Nothing to see here, move along :killingme

Yes us SOMDers and ardent right that you paint with the broad brush are the evil and you're the shining light of truth and morality here to teach us all a lesson, is that it?

oh look..obtuseguy receives another major interwebz beatdown and I missed the whole thing.

Guess its not "just me"...huh?

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oh look..obtuseguy receives another major interwebz beatdown and I missed the whole thing.

Guess its not "just me"...huh?

Oh look, yet another name caller with absolutely nothing meaning to say. :bigwhoop:

an extreme strawman you have built, but it reflects your opinion, not mine.
So let me put that back at you, why dont you just come out and say that you think all congresssmen should trade sex and money with lobbyists for their policital favors? Just say it, the whole of the RNC will rejoice when you do :killingme

Please describe this strawman that he built..

I've looked and looked and I don't see him anywhere.

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an extreme strawman you have built, but it reflects your opinion, not mine.
So let me put that back at you, why dont you just come out and say that you think all congresssmen should trade sex and money with lobbyists for their policital favors? Just say it, the whole of the RNC will rejoice when you do :killingme

Please describe this strawman that he built..

I've looked and looked and I don't see him anywhere.

So you are done calling names and now you want to have a discussion?

And the attacks on the spouse begin.

Why not go ahead and start slamming the little kids, too, and get it out of the way?
you mean like you guys in here do?:cds::cds::cds:

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Oh look, yet another name caller with absolutely nothing meaning to say. :bigwhoop:


so much for gillians life.:tantrum:tantrum:tantrum

A couple more years and he'll learn how to use the word correctly so he doesn't look like a total ignoramus every time he posts it.

Oh no, I'm enjoying watching him throw it out in every sentence. It's the new "racist". :yay:

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A couple more years and he'll learn how to use the word correctly so he doesn't look like a total ignoramus every time he posts it.

Oh no, I'm enjoying watching him throw it out in every sentence. It's the new "racist". :yay:

What's that? I couldn't hear you over all the crys of "why does the DNC pay women less than men" :killingme

What's that? I couldn't hear you over all the crys of "why does the DNC pay women less than men" :killingme

WTF are you even talking about? Just like a left-winger - babbling hallucination.

But since you brought it up, why DOES Obama and the DNC pay women less than men?

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What's that? I couldn't hear you over all the crys of "why does the DNC pay women less than men" :killingme

Dewd, quit while you're behind.

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Babbling hallucination in 3, 2, 1, why DOES Obama and the DNC pay women less than men?

:killingme

So you do know what I am talking about

So you do know what I am talking about

What I know is that you cannot answer the question and won't admit it, so you keep trying to change the subject. Typical Democrat.

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So you do know what I am talking about

What I know is that you cannot answer the question and won't admit it, so you keep trying to change the subject. Typical Democrat.

And why would you realize that I changed it to the strawman you were trying to slay in that other thread :killingme

What I know is that you cannot answer the question and won't admit it, so you keep trying to change the subject. Typical Democrat.

Quoted for posterity

I've had him on iggy for just just this reason. Never get into a battle of wits with an unarmed person. :yay:

Link to original article. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/14/janna-ryan-paul-ryan-wife_n_1774265.html?utm_hp_ref=tw)

"WASHINGTON -- Janna Ryan was introduced to America on Saturday as a stay-at-home mom who has raised three children while her husband, Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), built a career in Washington.

But the wife of Mitt Romney's vice presidential pick spent a decade in Washington herself, first as a congressional aide and then as a corporate lobbyist, whose clients included the cigar industry, a logging company, drugmakers, the health insurance industry and a nuclear power plant. "

.....

"Over just three years, Ryan's 20 corporate clients paid more than $2.7 million in lobbying fees to her two employers, Pricewaterhouse Coopers and Williams & Jensen, according to records compiled by the Center for Responsive Politics.

Her client roster reads like a who's who of some of America's most politically polarizing corporate interests. Drug industry clients included the Pharmaceutical Researchers and Manufacturers Alliance (PhRMA), Wyeth Pharmaceuticals and Novartis. Oil industry clients included Conoco and Marathon Oil. Big health insurance companies Blue Cross Blue Shield and Cigna were also on the list.

From 1998 to 2000, Ryan was part of a small team that lobbied the House, Senate and White House on behalf of the Cigar Association of America to exclude cigars from many of the same regulations placed on cigarettes, like warning labels and excise taxes. PwC received $760,000 from the cigar lobby during Ryan's tenure.

The cigar lobbying effort was launched to fend off congressional scrutiny of the industry, following revelations in the late 1990s that cigar manufacturers had orchestrated a decades-long campaign to make cigars look cool, and to minimize their health hazards. This included paying celebrities to smoke cigars at events and launching Cigar Aficionado magazine, which portrayed cigars as an elite hobby. Cigars contain as much nicotine as several cigarettes."

Who wants to stay with at home with you?

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What I know is that you cannot answer the question and won't admit it, so you keep trying to change the subject. Typical Democrat.

Quoted for posterity

I've had him on iggy for just just this reason. Never get into a battle of wits with an unarmed person. :yay:

Try spending more time actually ignoring and less time patting yourself on the back for having me on ignore :yay:

you guys are funny, the obvious implication is that Ryan, a sitting member of congress was married to an active lobbyist.
Now is that really an issue? probably not, but it is certainly something that either side would bring up as an issue if it was a guy from the other party they were talking about.Is this the gist of the issue:
Person A meets and dates Person B.
Person A is in the first term as a member of the House of Representatives.
Person B is part of a team that lobbies Congress (not sure how involved she actively lobbying vs. supporting the team's lobbyists).
Person A and Person B get married.
Person B quits job as part of a team that lobbies Congress.

I guess that "was married to an active lobbyist" might be a stretch, given the timeline. The article states that she quit shortly after marrying, so its not likely she was actively lobbying after they got married. As for the 10 or so months from meeting to marrying, even if she was actively lobbying, it appears Person A disclosed all the required information.

I guess it would be an issue if she had remained associated with a lobbying group well after they were married, but unless there is a definitive evidence that there was some quid pro quo, then there is not much of an issue as you suggest.

Try spending more time actually ignoring and less time patting yourself on the back for having me on ignore :yay:

No thanks. I like patting myself on the back and I also like spanking your ass for you. Until you start being so annoying and ADHD that I need to put you in mental timeout.

Paul Ryan was never married to an active lobbyist. I understand that you have Democrat reading skillz but please try and make an effort to keep up.

Who wants to stay with at home with you?

Looks like a job for Super Nanny to me.

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Try spending more time actually ignoring and less time patting yourself on the back for having me on ignore :yay:

No thanks. I like patting myself on the back and I also like spanking your ass for you. Until you start being so annoying and ADHD that I need to put you in mental timeout.

Paul Ryan was never married to an active lobbyist. I understand that you have Democrat reading skillz but please try and make an effort to keep up.

So now you have almost stopped calling names and eant to be tsken seriously :killingme
we covered the marriage issue about 10 pages ago, try using your mad republican reading skips


I guess you don't have any problem With our congressmen literally being courted by lobbyists, huh?

I'm sure he didn't have sex with that Woman while they were dating..

:bawl: I hate sad stories
Don't we all.

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I guess you don't have any problem With our congressmen literally being courted by lobbyists, huh?

Everyone should have a problem with it... but do you mind looking up the definition of a lobbyist? It is exactly what they do. Congress doesn't get rich by their paychecks. They get rich from lobbyists. Hide money in coffee cans and stuff checks down their bras... Reid is a great example of someone who has parlayed their elected position into a nice pile of cash and perks... There are equally great examples on the 'right' side of the fence...

Even the Washington Post reported that Lobbyists have had huge access to this White House.

Lobbyists come in all shapes, sizes, payscales and all have someone they are working for. Whether that is a disease, industry, hobby, military veterans, gays, etc., they have a job which is to "lobby" congress... You don't do that with email and online petitions... You do it face to face...

The problem isn't with the lobbyist. It is with unscrupulous politicians who line their pockets and vote against the wishes of their constituency. And the sheeple back home that keep voting them back in.

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So now you have almost stopped calling names and eant to be tsken seriously :killingme
we covered the marriage issue about 10 pages ago, try using your mad republican reading skips


I guess you don't have any problem With our congressmen literally being courted by lobbyists, huh?



Do you have anything that says she courted him in the interests of her lobbying goals? Anytime men and women mingle, matches are going to happen. Even in small groups.

I guess you don't have any problem With our congressmen literally being courted by lobbyists, huh?

Why do you suddenly care about this now that Ryan is the VP pick? You didn't care before, and you certainly don't have any problem with the armada of lobbyists in the White House.

From what I understand, he fully complied with the law by reporting the relationship. This isn't like something dug up out of his past that he's trying to hide.

Do you have anything that says she courted him in the interests of her lobbying goals? Anytime men and women mingle, matches are going to happen. Even in small groups.


I have no issue with people dating and marrying people who they work with. I met my wife at work. But the question of was there an influence is a reasonable one to ask.


Ryan and her then-boyfriend's work appear to have overlapped. In February 2000 while Janna Ryan still was working on behalf of UPS, Paul Ryan made one of only two corporate-funded trips he took that year, from Milwaukee to Atlanta, where UPS is headquartered. The trip was paid for by UPS, which also flew the congressman back to Washington, according to his financial disclosure reports.

I have no issue with people dating and marrying people who they work with. I met my wife at work. But the question of was there an influence is a reasonable one to ask.

Your own post shows that he reported it. In other words, he complied with the law.

OMG!!! Don't vote Ryan, he obeys the law!!!!

Lobbyists come in all sizes.

B cup, C cup, D cup, etc. :yay:

Face it, politicians are not in it for the nation, they are in it for the money and to #### interns :yay:

Why do you suddenly care about this now that Ryan is the VP pick? You didn't care before, and you certainly don't have any problem with the armada of lobbyists in the White House.

From what I understand, he fully complied with the law by reporting the relationship. This isn't like something dug up out of his past that he's trying to hide.

I have a huge issue with lobbyists influencing any levels of our goverment.

"Appear" isnt the same as "did". Heck, there were a couple times that my wifes work on base as a civil servant "overlapped" with mine as a contractor. Does that mean that some bad thing happened? No, of course not. Did he change his mind on a vote after that trip? I assume not, or the broads in Time Square would be blaring it for the world.

Again, where is the evidence that she influenced him in any way? Implications are not evidence. Any stacks of cash in the freezer? Any "Free shipping for life" cards? Any "Friends of UPS" programs?

So, what have you got? Nothing, because the story isn't about that. It's about her working for "The Man". and not just any "The Man", but the Oil (environmental disaster) Man, the Cigar (cancer) Man, and the Big Pharma (granny cant afford her meds) Man.

It's part of the overriding narrative. And one that fell flat, evidently, since this part of the story wasnt picked up beyond this article. This particular bit of sh%^ didnt stick. Better luck next time.

I have a huge issue with lobbyists influencing any levels of our goverment.

You didn't have a problem with it before, so that tells me you're just a Democrat snark hypocrite and not to be taken seriously.

I'm convinced thatdumbguy is boinking mamakookoo. Can you imagine THAT offspring? :killingme

You didn't have a problem with it before, so that tells me you're just a Democrat snark hypocrite and not to be taken seriously.

the name caller says I cant be taken seriously :killingme

you want to prove that i didn't have a problem with lobbyists before?

the name caller says I cant be taken seriously :killingme


If the shoe fits. I seem to notice you calling Dee Jay a Republican a few posts back, something the rest of us know to be emphatically untrue.

the name caller says I cant be taken seriously :killingme

you want to prove that i didn't have a problem with lobbyists before?

I'll call you names if I want and there's nothing you can do about. So ha ha. Kiss my ass, you little buttface.

:smile:

As far as proving anything, the onus (look it up, dictionary.com) is on you to prove you did. I haven't seen one single post by you complaining about your buddy Obama's lobbyist pals.

You are a partisan hack, and an ignorant one at that. <---two names called in one sentence - woo hoo!

If the shoe fits. I seem to notice you calling Dee Jay a Republican a few posts back, something the rest of us know to be emphatically untrue.

What's fun about arguing with the Left is that they sit and call you names, making all sorts of ridiculous accusations, then get outraged when you respond in kind. This has worked on Republicans for years and prompted many a GOP apology. Then the Left can sit back smug and, having kowtowed their opponent, continue their biting unfettered.

Well I'm not a Republican and don't feel guilty or intimidated one little bit. In fact, I find it amusing that he can't answer any questions or have a meaningful conversation; all he can do is cry because big bad me called him a (fitting) name. This is their favorite tactic for changing the subject and turning a defense into an offense - an interception, if you will.

So!! Now that we have established that I'm a name-caller and accuser :diva:, let's get back to the subject at hand:

Why do you Lefties care about lobbyists all of a sudden?

What's fun about arguing with the Left is that they sit and call you names, making all sorts of ridiculous accusations, then get outraged when you respond in kind. This has worked on Republicans for years and prompted many a GOP apology. Then the Left can sit back smug and, having kowtowed their opponent, continue their biting unfettered.


Part of it baffles me. But maybe it's part of being a conservative.

I always assumed it was part of the "conservatives are bad people" Mark Steyn quote - the part where they can demand tolerance for their views but refuse to respond in kind, because they hold your ideas in contempt. This is how whenever the idea of extreme politics comes up, they don't see left or right, they see right. because there's no political spectrum. There is simply right and wrong, and they have no need to tolerate "wrong".

But I don't feel outrage from being called a name if it's someone I seriously don't like, which is why I don't get it. If I was contemptuous of someone, they could call me names all day long. They could even say cruel things that are true, it wouldn't bother me. So I don't get their outrage.

Unless it is feigned, which is my theory.

Unless it is feigned, which is my theory.

I think it is. Just another bull#### tactic designed to change the uncomfortable subject and direct attention away from those pesky issues of spending, illegal immigration, and unemployment.

The Democrats are kings of the strawman - they have turned it into an art form - which is why it made me laugh out loud when thatguy started accusing everyone else of that crap. :lol:

It's like that knee-jerk of calling everyone who opposes Obama a "racist". Who wants to be considered a racist? Nobody, and especially not the thin-skinned GOP apologizers. So it's a great play and typically works to shut down debate.

I'll call you names if I want and there's nothing you can do about. So ha ha. Kiss my ass, you little buttface.

:smile:

As far as proving anything, the onus (look it up, dictionary.com) is on you to prove you did. I haven't seen one single post by you complaining about your buddy Obama's lobbyist pals.

You are a partisan hack, and an ignorant one at that. <---two names called in one sentence - woo hoo!

That about what i have come to expect from you, call a bunch of names, make ridiculous claims that you cant back up, demand proof when you have provided nothing to back up your assertion, and then call some more names while claiming your intellectual superiority :killingme

That about what i have come to expect from you, call a bunch of names, make ridiculous claims that you cant back up, demand proof when you have provided nothing to back up your assertion, and then call some more names while claiming your intellectual superiority :killingme

Dewd, grow a set and quit the sniveling. All you ever do is whine when.

That about what i have come to expect from you, call a bunch of names, make ridiculous claims that you cant back up, demand proof when you have provided nothing to back up your assertion, and then call some more names while claiming your intellectual superiority :killingme

What I have come to expect from you is that you'd kill your own mother to not have to discuss an actual issue All you EVER do is try and change the subject.

And that is because you are stupid.

As such, I am done watching you fling poo at the onlookers. If you won't answer the questions posed to you so that a reasonable discussion can take place, I have no interest in wasting my time on your snot-bubbling.

On Ignore you go! :howdy:

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Dewd, grow a set and quit the sniveling. All you ever do is whine when.

meh, i do plenty of debating the topics. In fact thats what we were doing before the queen and the others started with the name calling and other BS.

meh, i do plenty of debating the topics..

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