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"Voter impersonation fraud, the type of voter fraud which could be prevented by the types of voter ID laws that have swept through mostly Republican-controlled state legislatures over the past few years, is virtually nonexistent, according to a new study (http://votingrights.news21.com/article/election-fraud-explainer/).

News21, a Carnegie-Knight investigative reporting project, sent public information requests to all 50 states (though not all of them responded) and found 10 cases of alleged in-person voter fraud since 2000.

Out of the 146 million registered voters in the U.S., that number represents one case of voter impersonation fraud for every 15 million potential voters.

Of the 10 cases of voter fraud, five of them involved family members illegally voting on behalf of relatives.

“The fraud that matters is the fraud that is organized,” Lorraine Minnite, author of “The Myth of Voter Fraud,” told News21. “That’s why voter impersonation is practically non-existent because it is difficult to do and it is difficult to pull people into conspiracies to do it.”

News21’s analysis found that other types of fraud, like absentee ballot fraud, were more common. Out of the 2,068 alleged election-fraud cases examined, 491 of them involved absentee ballot fraud."

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Link to original article. (http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/08/study_voter_impersonation_fraud_target_of_voter_id_virtually_non-existent.php)

"Voter impersonation fraud, the type of voter fraud which could be prevented by the types of voter ID laws that have swept through mostly Republican-controlled state legislatures over the past few years, is virtually nonexistent, according to a new study (http://votingrights.news21.com/article/election-fraud-explainer/).

News21, a Carnegie-Knight investigative reporting project, sent public information requests to all 50 states (though not all of them responded) and found 10 cases of alleged in-person voter fraud since 2000.

Out of the 146 million registered voters in the U.S., that number represents one case of voter impersonation fraud for every 15 million potential voters.

Of the 10 cases of voter fraud, five of them involved family members illegally voting on behalf of relatives.

“The fraud that matters is the fraud that is organized,” Lorraine Minnite, author of “The Myth of Voter Fraud,” told News21. “That’s why voter impersonation is practically non-existent because it is difficult to do and it is difficult to pull people into conspiracies to do it.”

News21’s analysis found that other types of fraud, like absentee ballot fraud, were more common. Out of the 2,068 alleged election-fraud cases examined, 491 of them involved absentee ballot fraud."

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If nets or safeguards aren't in place to catch them, how do we have ANY idea of how many there really are??

There could have been 3 million, and unless you survey them individually and they admit it, you have NO way of knowing.

Asking a state to report a crime that they have no laws to prevent let alone a way catch a criminal in the act seems like a waste of time, and totally useless "facts".

Lastly, if it doesn't exist, why do the Democrats have such a hard-on to stop legislation to stop it? Wouldn't the laws be passed, and nothing change? What are they afraid of if there is REALLY no fraud?

If nets or safeguards aren't in place to catch them, how do we have ANY idea of how many there really are??

There could have been 3 million, and unless you survey them individually and they admit it, you have NO way of knowing.

Asking a state to report a crime that they have no laws to prevent let alone a way catch a criminal in the act seems like a waste of time, and totally useless "facts".

Lastly, if it doesn't exist, why do the Democrats have such a hard-on to stop legislation to stop it? Wouldn't the laws be passed, and nothing change? What are they afraid of if there is REALLY no fraud?

and to add to that, what person, that is supposed to oversee the legality of voting is going to admit to having a high number of fraud cases? He might as well just go take a dump in his bosses coffee cup. becuase he certainly is not going to have a job after claiming he isnt doing it in the first place.

Are you serious?

What about the registration forms being sent out to dead people and dogs in Virginia?


In Va., dogs and the dead are invited to vote - Virginia Politics - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/virginia-politics/post/in-va-dogs-and-the-dead-are-invited-to-vote/2012/07/24/gJQAl7Rk7W_blog.html)

These liberals, Obama included, will do everything they can to make sure he stays in office. Obama should be focused on continuing to do his duties and not be campaigning for himself all the time!

I just don't want minorities and the poor voting, at least not the ones that are too stupid to figure out how to get an I.D. :yay:

If nets or safeguards aren't in place to catch them, how do we have ANY idea of how many there really are??

There could have been 3 million, and unless you survey them individually and they admit it, you have NO way of knowing.

Asking a state to report a crime that they have no laws to prevent let alone a way catch a criminal in the act seems like a waste of time, and totally useless "facts".

Lastly, if it doesn't exist, why do the Democrats have such a hard-on to stop legislation to stop it? Wouldn't the laws be passed, and nothing change? What are they afraid of if there is REALLY no fraud?

Exactly!!! :yeahthat:

I just don't want minorities and the poor voting, at least not the ones that are too stupid to figure out how to get an I.D. :yay:

I say for those that are too stupid, someone should call in for them and then have a voter registration individual show up with a camera and the equipment to make the security coded ID card.
Give them no reason to claim we are trying to keep anyone from voting, make it hard NOT to get an ID.

But don't you need photo ID to get on the government payroll, i.e. welfare? If so, then wouldn't this cover the segment of the populations that the dems are concerned about? Maybe I will try to apply for food stamps this week without ID and see how far I get......

If nets or safeguards aren't in place to catch them, how do we have ANY idea of how many there really are??

Well, there's that. I mean, it's not like we have to show ID or anything.

"Voter impersonation fraud, the type of voter fraud which could be prevented by the types of voter ID laws that have swept through mostly Republican-controlled state legislatures over the past few years, is virtually nonexistent, Nonothing, you and people that are as dumb as you are, are a real joke. I really can't believe there are people in this country that are as idiotic as you and the rest of your kind are. :doh: Do you actually have common sense?

If you aren't contributing to the creation of the pie but you show up with your plate, you shouldn't get to decide how it is cut.

There's a problem of definition here.

See, we have countless cases of more votes being cast than there are registered voters. We had an election that vote in Franken, where over 1000 felons cast votes. We have voter rolls in Florida showing thousands still on the voter rolls - who are dead - but apparently they've been showing up for several election cycles anyway.

What's the problem? We don't know who is doing it. Votes are anonymous - there's no paper trail linking a vote cast to the person who cast it. And if someone shows up appearing as a dead man, without ID there's no way to establish fraud.

So what we HAVE is an honor system that is easy to defraud - and because there's no means of catching frauds, the cheaters claim it isn't happening.

There is only ONE reason not to have voter ID - and that is to protect cheaters. Because it is AN INSULT to the poor and minorities to presume they alone are disadvantaged by voter ID. Seriously. Why do Democrats slap the faces of the poor and minorities because of this? It's like assuming they are stupid or incompetent; they routinely produce ID for government benefits. I've done tax returns for poor and minorities - they arrive with everything. If they don't have a driver's license, they have a state ID.

Tell you what - go to work and sell junk food on the counter, but use the honor system. But don't check anything. And when the inventory "sold" doesn't match the amount collected, then - you KNOW you're being cheated. But since you don't have proof - you idiotically conclude that no fraud is occurring.

Why do Democrats slap the faces of the poor and minorities because of this?

Because they can. The poor and minorities apparently love having their faces slapped by the Democrats and they love to be insulted by them. There's no other explanation.

It's like assuming they are stupid or incompetent; they routinely produce ID for government benefits.
They are indeed stupid and incompetent because they, with their ID card, vote for people who insist they do not have that card and cannot get one.

They are indeed stupid and incompetent because they, with their ID card, vote for people who insist they do not have that card and cannot get one.

I just can't get the fact that their first response, even before the "it doesn't really happen" is that voter ID disadvantages the poor and minorities. "What about the poor folks who don't have any ID?" they cry.

Are you serious? They absolutely have the ID. They have everything. They didn't just fall off the turnip truck and anyone who's worked with poor and minorities knows that's highly likely. It's idiotic kids and youth who don't pay attention. It's snobby out of touch yuppies who don't drive but take cabs everywhere. THEY are more likely not to carry ID. I mean, damn, KIDS have ID to get beer.

There's that video where a guy goes into DC, claims he's Eric Holder, the attorney general, and without ID they give him a pass.

US Attorney General Eric Holder's Ballot to Vote Offered to Total Stranger - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5p70YbRiPw)

Now, he doesn't CAST a vote,because it would be a crime - but if he DID, there's no mechanism to CATCH him or even prove that it happened.

Why have all these different ways to identify oneself? Let's all stump for a national id card.

"Voter impersonation fraud, the type of voter fraud which could be prevented by the types of voter ID laws that have swept through mostly Republican-controlled state legislatures over the past few years, is virtually nonexistent,

This is actually a good point; districts where there is clearly a lot of voter fraud are still gonna have voter fraud. Not having an ID, fake ID. It really doesn't matter. From Chicago in 1960 on to today, LBJ in Texas long before that, all sorts of incidents, voter fraud is simply a fact of life and nothing is going to change it.

To paraphrase an East coast newspaper man who was doing a story on the 1960 election and how obvious the fraud for Kennedy seemed to him, upon asking Chicago colleagues why no one was doing an obviously big story, the swinging of a presidential election due to cheating, he was told;

"Because no one around here wants to get killed."

It just is.

This is actually a good point; districts where there is clearly a lot of voter fraud are still gonna have voter fraud. Not having an ID, fake ID. It really doesn't matter. From Chicago in 1960 on to today, LBJ in Texas long before that, all sorts of incidents, voter fraud is simply a fact of life and nothing is going to change it.

To paraphrase an East coast newspaper man who was doing a story on the 1960 election and how obvious the fraud for Kennedy seemed to him, upon asking Chicago colleagues why no one was doing an obviously big story, the swinging of a presidential election due to cheating, he was told;

"Because no one around here wants to get killed."

It just is.

Well there ya go... let's not try to stop it and let's not hold anybody accountable. While we're at it let's stop trying to do the same for other crimes since crime will still happen no matter what we do.

Why have all these different ways to identify oneself? Let's all stump for a national id card.

You'll get no argument from me. I hate the idea that SOCIAL SECURITY is functioning as a national ID, because we don't have one.

Technically, passports would work - but no one wants to bother to get one.

Well there ya go... let's not try to stop it and let's not hold anybody accountable. While we're at it let's stop trying to do the same for other crimes since crime will still happen no matter what we do.

That's not my view. That was the view of a reporter, in 1960. Voter fraud is never much of a story because of where it happens, mostly, and who would have to cover it. The reason why Dubbya didn't concede when the race was called for Gore was because they had allowed an enormous margin in their districts over what Clinton got in...suspect...districts the previous cycle. They allowed for X plus and had hit their goals and then some.

The reason Gore changed his mind about his concession was for the same reason; his people had allowed for the previous margins and then some. And hit their goals in their districts. What's truly interesting about Florida 2000 is that both sides figured the cheating awfully close. That book will never get written either.

Add to that that Gore in places like Philly got something like 80-85% of total eligible voters in his districts. Not 85% of turn out. 85% of total eligible voters and they were totals far in excess of what Clinton, America's first black president, got either time. You start coming up with 25,000 extra votes over all the districts in the big cities and, before long, you take a state.

Well there ya go... let's not try to stop it and let's not hold anybody accountable. While we're at it let's stop trying to do the same for other crimes since crime will still happen no matter what we do.

Plus, we're talking about any sort of voter fraud law enforcement would have to come form within the districts where everyone is already in on it. Cops loyal to the local power structure are NOT going to investigate the hand that feeds.