Dang near impossible to get a CCW license here in Maryland... (http://www.packing.org/state/index.jsp/maryland)

I could get a non-resident Florida permit, but its not honored by Maryland. :crazy:

How does an all encompassing CCW permit for all 50 states get created while not taking the individual powers away from the state governments? Where do you draw the line?

Maryland DOES allow DC police to carry their weapons.....

Originally posted by dustin
Dang near impossible to get a CCW license here in Maryland... (http://www.packing.org/state/index.jsp/maryland)

Maybe that's cause they don't want just anyone to carry a concealed firearm. :dur: Would you trust my brother with a gun in public?

"This bill alters current law provisions relating to handgun permits in Maryland"... (http://mlis.state.md.us/2004rs/fnotes/bil_0009/hb0859.doc)

"State Effect: General fund revenues would decrease by about $9,900 in FY 2005, and general fund expenditures would increase by $381,500. Out-years reflect annualization, inflation, and renewal automobile purchases. "

"Prior Introductions: Similar bills have been introduced in recent years. HB 605 of 2002 and HB 806 of 2001 each received an unfavorable report from the House Judiciary Committee. In 2000, HB 597 was not reported from the House Judiciary Committee. In 1999, HB 736 received an unfavorable report from the House Judiciary Committee. "

The Maryland State Police control the issue of CCW permits. Sounds to me like they just don't want to lose funding as the bill projects...

House Bill 859 info... (http://mlis.state.md.us/2004rs/billfile/hb0859.htm)

Speaking of concealed weapons. On the flight back from Reno I was sitting there minding my own business when this dude got up and was waiting by the lavatory. I glance away from the inflight movie and notice his shirt was hiked up revealing a big ass 9MM strapped to his side. He quickly covered it back up and went into the head. I few seconds later the turbo hottie flight attendant came by and I asked her if she knew there was an armed man on board. She blushed and said "How did you know?" I said because the dude was just stadning here with his gun hanging out. She said he was an FBI agent enroute back to DC. It was a little startling for a second seeing a 9MM on a plane.

Originally posted by Nickel
Maybe that's cause they don't want just anyone to carry a concealed firearm. :dur: Would you trust my brother with a gun in public?

NOT anyone.

still have to have all the same background checks as the current one but the big kicker is that the the person trying to get the license wouldnt have to have a “Good and substantial reason” according to the current law:

1. Owner or employee of a business;

2. Professional Activities; (Doctors, Lawyers, Pharmacists, etc.), must produce evidence of threats or assaults.

3. Correctional Officer or Jail Guard;

4. Former Police Officer, either resigned or retired must produce evidence of tenure in law enforcement, documented proof of apprehended fear, such as a letter from last commander or copies of police reports indicating threats and/or assaults.

5. Security Guard/Special Police/Private Detective;

6. Personal Protection; must be documented evidence of recent threats and/or assaults, supported by police reports and/or notarized statements.

These are the only people that can obtain one. That and uppity up politicians....

Originally posted by dustin
NOT anyone.

Okay, what would your justification be for carrying a concealed weapon? Fighting back drunk men at IHOP doesn't count. :wink:

Originally posted by Nickel
what would your justification be for carrying a concealed weapon?

How about the fact that a person isn't a felon, mental patient, or a criminal...oh, and then there's that little thing called the 2nd amendment.

Originally posted by Nickel
Okay, what would your justification be for carrying a concealed weapon? Fighting back drunk men at IHOP doesn't count. :wink:

That's what the bill was NOT gonna do...require a justification...I found out that the bill has already failed on the committee level. We can probably forget about it having another go until next year...

As it stands right now I have NO justification. But I could get a Florida CCW permit....but its not good in Maryland...a lot of good that does me.

Like carrying a firearm is SO much more dangerous than Ms. soccer mom driving a 3 ton SUV through a red light with its hood ornamant aimed right at me on my motorcycle...

Originally posted by Pete
Speaking of concealed weapons. On the flight back from Reno I was sitting there minding my own business when this dude got up and was waiting by the lavatory. I glance away from the inflight movie and notice his shirt was hiked up revealing a big ass 9MM strapped to his side. He quickly covered it back up and went into the head. I few seconds later the turbo hottie flight attendant came by and I asked her if she knew there was an armed man on board. She blushed and said "How did you know?" I said because the dude was just stadning here with his gun hanging out. She said he was an FBI agent enroute back to DC. It was a little startling for a second seeing a 9MM on a plane. they have been on flights since 9-11...

Originally posted by Sharon
How about the fact that a person isn't a felon, mental patient, or a criminal...oh, and then there's that little thing called the 2nd amendment. From my end, this isn't a political discussion.

I honestly do not see a purpose for carrying a concealed weapon or do I see a purpose of keeping a gun for protection (it always seems that the person that breaks in is gonna get you anyway). Maybe I am just too trusting. But you know that is MY personal decision. Many others on this forum and in this nation have come to a different conclusion and they deserve to have a concealed weapon provided that they are not felons and do not have criminal backgrounds.

I see no use in having hand held weapons, people dont really use them to hunt.... Riffles are good though, people use them to hunt and what not... If you want something for protection its not hard to put a shotgun uner or next to your bed...

Originally posted by Spoiled
they have been on flights since 9-11...

Air marshalls have been on flights since before 9/11.

Originally posted by Spoiled
they have been on flights since 9-11... well golly gee, I never knew.

Originally posted by dustin
As it stands right now I have NO justification. But I could get a Florida CCW permit....but its not good in Maryland...a lot of good that does me.
Why don't you just wait a couple years, maybe you'll end up in a state where it'll be easier to get one.

Originally posted by Nickel
Why don't you just wait a couple years, maybe you'll end up in a state where it'll be easier to get one.

I'm gonna have to...for now a tire iron and my ugly mug will have to suffice....

Originally posted by dustin
I'm gonna have to...for now a tire iron and my ugly mug will have to suffice.... Why not just get some ninja stars? :shrug:

I'm sure our wonderful Attorney General Curran had nothing to do with the Bill being declined as well.

In October 1999, Curran issued, A Farewell to Arms, which studied the health epidemic created by the terrific number of guns in the United States. (http://www.oag.state.md.us/lawenforcement.htm)

"A farewell to Arms"....Scroll down to the very last page. (http://www.oag.state.md.us/Press/guns.pdf)

Why is carrying a weapon so important? Where is the threat? The current regs sound fine to me but I am absolutely, totally against taking the weapons out of my home or your home. A bad temper is not necessarily a crime and there are a lot of loose brained nasty people out there that don't have criminal records and I don't need them to have a weapon.

Get a dog with a big bite.
http://www.photohost.org/gallery/data/500/128pitbulljpg.jpg

Originally posted by Nickel
Why not just get some ninja stars? :shrug:
Considered dangerous weapons under Maryland law and illegal to carry openly or concealed.

Originally posted by Ken King
Considered dangerous weapons under Maryland law and illegal to carry openly or concealed. I was being facetious.

Originally posted by Nickel
From my end, this isn't a political discussion. Duh. The 2nd Amendment is part of the Bill of Rights of the United States Constitution. It does not get any more political.

Originally posted by Spoiled
I see no use in having hand held weapons, people dont really use them to hunt.... Riffles are good though, people use them to hunt and what not... If you want something for protection its not hard to put a shotgun uner or next to your bed... The 2nd Amendment is not about hunting as so many liberals want to think. It IS about the people being able to control the central government by force if necessary. Just read the history behind the Bill of Rights and the debate that went into it. It is the RIGHT of the PEOPLE, not the National Guard or military, to keep and bear arms. And there is no limitation on what kind of arms an individual my own and carry, hence the "shall not be infringed". Any law that places a limit on the right of the citizen to keep and bear arms is an infringement. Too bad they don't teach English and history in the public schools anymore.

Have any of you read the Constitution? Not the Cliffs Notes; the actual Constitution of the United States. You will find that the federal government violates your rights 80 percent of the time and the states violate it as well. Wake up. Know your rights or you won't have any.

Originally posted by Nickel
Why not just get some ninja stars? :shrug: They are illegal in Maryland too as are nunchaku unless you are carrying them to or from a dojo. I know, I am a Rokudan (6th degree black belt) and High Renshi (Master's Instructor).

Originally posted by 2ndAmendment
Duh. The 2nd Amendment is part of the Bill of Rights of the United States Constitution. It does not get any more political.
Maybe you didn't understand...the conversation I was having with Dustin is not political...Sharon added a political spin to it...I informed her that politics have not bearing in what I was saying to him.

Originally posted by 2ndAmendment
They are illegal in Maryland too as are nunchaku unless you are carrying them to or from a dojo. I know, I am a Rokudan (6th degree balck belt) and High Renshi (Master's Instructor). Again, you didn't understand...I was being facetious.

Originally posted by Nickel
Maybe you didn't understand...the conversation I was having with Dustin is not political...Sharon added a political spin to it...I informed her that politics have not bearing in what I was saying to him. This IS the Politics forum. Correct?

Originally posted by 2ndAmendment
This IS the Politics forum. Correct? Yes it is, but last time I checked, I was allowed to engage in conversation that has to do with the topic at hand, without a political spin. When my boyfriend shows interest in a concealed weapons permit, I have a right to converse with him about it, as it affects me and my child. All of that information isn't necessarily anyone else's business, but obviously I have to justify my non-political conversation.

If you want to have a conversation with your boy friend, then call him on the phone, talk to him over dinner, or use PMs. If you post it in public, expect to get comment.

Originally posted by 2ndAmendment
If you want to have a conversation with your boy friend, then call him on the phone, talk to him over dinner, or use PMs. If you post it in public, expect to get comment. Thanks for the relationship advice. :rolleyes: While he was discussing it in the open, I simply asked him, because I was curious, why he felt the need to carry a concealed weapon. I don't see why everyone needs to jump up and declare their 2nd ammendment rights when I was just asking a simple question, to which I got a simple response. I don't have a problem with someone commenting on something I've posted, however I do have a problem when people take what I say out of context to suit their own purposes.

I was just waiting for 2A to chime in :biggrin:


Looky here. The thing that bugs me is that just by reading some published material on the internet I can figure out what the people pushing a "Shall-issue" bill are up against. The attorney general of maryland to name one. Who obviously has a personal issue with firearms in general. Who made it blantantly clear those wanting to own handguns are a minority and that we the public shouldnt be concerned about the few and worry about the majority. Now I'm sure he wouldnt say anything about not worrying about the minorities if the subject was racial :rolleyes:

And then you have the Maryland State Police...who from what I can figure, don't want to push the issue because they are getting more money the way the system currently operates.

Basically even if you have all kinds of supporters to push the Bill it will never get passed because the rinky dink higher ups ain't gonna have it.

Originally posted by Nickel
Thanks for the relationship advice. :rolleyes: While he was discussing it in the open, I simply asked him, because I was curious, why he felt the need to carry a concealed weapon. I don't see why everyone needs to jump up and declare their 2nd ammendment rights when I was just asking a simple question, to which I got a simple response. I don't have a problem with someone commenting on something I've posted, however I do have a problem when people take what I say out of context to suit their own purposes.

I understood your comments as just being curious as to what my personal motives were.

I just got a beef with the way the system is setup here.

But like you said I gotta pick and choose my battles :biggrin:

Originally posted by Nickel
...the conversation I was having with Dustin is not political...Sharon added a political spin to it...I informed her that politics have not bearing in what I was saying to him.

Call the whaaaaambulance if you don't like where the thread goes. :tantrum











:razz:

Originally posted by dustin
I understood your comments as just being curious as to what my personal motives were.

I just got a beef with the way the system is setup here.

But like you said I gotta pick and choose my battles :biggrin: I know you understood me :wink:

Originally posted by Nickel
Thanks for the relationship advice. :rolleyes: While he was discussing it in the open, I simply asked him, because I was curious, why he felt the need to carry a concealed weapon. I don't see why everyone needs to jump up and declare their 2nd ammendment rights when I was just asking a simple question, to which I got a simple response. I don't have a problem with someone commenting on something I've posted, however I do have a problem when people take what I say out of context to suit their own purposes.
The advice was not about your relationship; it was about what to expect when you post in a public forum. And please show me where I took anything you said out of context.

Originally posted by 2ndAmendment
The advice was not about your relationship; it was about what to expect when you post in a public forum. And please show me where I took anything you said out of context. Paraphrased...
Dustin: I want to carry a concealed weapon.
Me: Why?
Sharon: Because it's his right according to the 2nd ammendment.
Me: I wasn't asking him from a political standpoint.
You: Of course you were, the 2nd ammendment is all about politics...
Me: No, really, I wasn't being political.
You: You have to be, this is the politics forum.

Here's where we went wrong...I asked a question, and the motive of that question was pure curiousity, I wasn't implying that guns are bad. Some people are defensive when it comes to gun rights, which is understandable. It was assumed that my question was an attack on his right to bear arms. It wasn't, I was just asking, in a conversational manner, why he wanted a gun. I would ask the same question if he'd said he wanted to buy a trampoline.

I can see your point of view. Can you see that this question was posted in the Politics forum and as such, would be take as a political challenge to dustin's right to have a concealed carry firearm if he wanted one?

Originally posted by Nickel
Paraphrased...
Dustin: I want to carry a concealed weapon.
Me: Why?
Sharon: Because it's his right according to the 2nd ammendment.
Me: I wasn't asking him from a political standpoint.


I was just asking, in a conversational manner, why he wanted a gun.

I replied in a conversational manner also, as well as others who chimed in. I don't see the problem here. :shrug:

Originally posted by 2ndAmendment
I can see your point of view. Can you see that this question was posted in the Politics forum and as such, would be take as a political challenge to dustin's right to have a concealed carry firearm if he wanted one? Yes I can, however when I clarified that I did not have intentions of starting a political conversation, I assumed I nipped it in the bud. The person at whom the question was directed understood that I was just asking for curiousity's sake, which is all that matters in the long run.

Originally posted by Sharon
I replied in a conversational manner also, as well as others who chimed in. I don't see the problem here. :shrug: It's not a "problem", I just let you know I wasn't talking about politics, and you obviously got it. But here, the next day, I'm quoted as saying my question wasn't political, with a response of (again, paraphrased), it doesn't get more political than the 2nd ammendment. My point is that I wasn't talking about the 2nd ammendment, I was just asking a question. This shouldn't be an issue, I said something, some people didn't understand what I was saying, I clarified, end of discussion...
I have no issue with gun possession (unless of course we're talking about gang members, but we're not). I am in no way trying to infringe upon, or question anyone's right to bear arms. In the future, if I have a question I will not post it, I will direct it in a PM. I apologize if this results in an abundance of PM's, but it is easier than justifying my question in 2 pages of posts. :yay:

Originally posted by Nickel
Yes I can, however when I clarified that I did not have intentions of starting a political conversation, I assumed I nipped it in the bud.

:gossip: psssst... starting a conversation about guns on a public political forum will surely attract people who want to talk about the 2nd amendment and gun control, even if you do clarify that you don't want it that way. Next time, you might try posting it in the "chit chat" forum. :flowers:

Originally posted by sleuth
:gossip: psssst... starting a conversation about guns on a public political forum will surely attract people who want to talk about the 2nd amendment and gun control, even if you do clarify that you don't want it that way. Next time, you might try posting it in the "chit chat" forum. :flowers: Read more, Sleuthy, I didn't start the conversation, Dustin did. I slipped in a question, he answered it, read on from there.

Originally posted by Nickel
Read more, Sleuthy, I didn't start the conversation, Dustin did. I slipped in a question, he answered it, read on from there.

pssst... :gossip: ...please pass my last post on to Dustin. :neener:

Originally posted by sleuth
pssst... :gossip: ...please pass my last post on to Dustin. :neener:

What Nickel said...