We have been fighting the Chesapeake Ranch Club for the last 5 months to get our driveway fixed.We need a drain ditch put in.All we keep getting from them is the run arounds.I feel that we pay $356.00 dollars a year in Association fees that they can fix my driveway.I have contacted ABC7 on your side and Calvert County Commissioners.I don't know what eles to do.I told them i wasn't paying my dues for this year until my problem was solved and they said that they'll put a lien against my home..I don't know what eles to do.......??????:bawl:

If I remember correctly others have come here complaining about similar problems. Good Luck.

Is there something in writing that makes you think they are responsible for your driveway...:confused: Putting a drainage pipe in will cost way more than $356 and I'm assuming that $356 a year each house pays is supposed to cover neighborhood expenses...:shrug:

Originally posted by kwillia
Is there something in writing that makes you think they are responsible for your driveway...:confused: Putting a drainage pipe in will cost way more than $356 and I'm assuming that $356 a year each house pays is supposed to cover neighborhood expenses...:shrug:
:yeahthat: Why sould the community pay to fix a problem on YOUR property that was probably existing when you purchased the house.?

Yes it's there job to put one in.Iam the only one who dosen't have one.All of my neighbors have them.They told me that they have to do it .IAM to the point now that i don't have much of a driveway left.My husband 's side of the driveway is gone.Something needs to be done.Iam tired of fixing it and as soon as we get a heavy rain it washes it out again.I CAN'T KEEP THROWING MONEY AWAY...:crazy:

Don't you guys remember the other person in the RC who was flipping out over a drainage ditch issue?

hate to tell you, but 'you' as the homeowner are responsible for your driveway and the sidewalk (if you have one. i know CRE doesn't have sidewalks).

that's why you should also try and avoid any "private" roads within a development, because it's like a driveway.

Originally posted by msspeedyg
Yes it's there job to put one in.Iam the only one who dosen't have one.All of my neighbors have them.They told me that they have to do it .IAM to the point now that i don't have much of a driveway left.My husband 's side of the driveway is gone.Something needs to be done.Iam tired of fixing it and as soon as we get a heavy rain it washes it out again.I CAN'T KEEP THROWING MONEY AWAY...:crazy: Well, with them admitting it is their responsiblity, sounds like you need to get a lawyer involved...:ohwell:

:confused:Did your neighbors say it was the Ranch Clubs responsiblity or did the Ranch Club?

Originally posted by msspeedyg
I have contacted ABC7 on your side and Calvert County Commissioners. The County will do nothing for you as the Ranch Club is a Private Community and the County doesn't own the Roads. The pipe is your responsibility as it is your property. Know this for a fact because I also live in a private community and have been paying special fees and taxes for 10 years to bring the roads up to county standards. I've got to replace my drain pipe when I get my driveway paved.

Originally posted by SuperGrover
hate to tell you, but 'you' as the homeowner are responsible for your driveway and the sidewalk (if you have one. i know CRE doesn't have sidewalks).

that's why you should also try and avoid any "private" roads within a development, because it's like a driveway.
If that was the case the RC would have simply told her to pound sand. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Kain99
If that was the case the RC would have simply told her to pound sand. :rolleyes:

:rolleyes: why do you think they are giving the poster a run-around? :dur:

$356 a year to install driveways and sidewalks sounds like bad business practice on the HOA's part. usually it's the responsibility of the builder (pending it's in the contract!) to install a driveway and a sidewalk, once it's installed, it's the homeowner's responsibility.

try going after the builder, maybe the poster means the builder not the HOA.

I fought the Ranch club, and did not pay my dues at all. I felt I (and my lawyer) was not part of the Ranch club, due to the Deed and property location. We eventually went to court, I lost.
Sold the house and moved to Leonardtown, with no HOA.

Originally posted by SuperGrover
:rolleyes: why do you think they are giving the poster a run-around? :dur:
Uhhh... I imagine being a business.. If they were not responsible they would simply say so. No need for "the run around."

Originally posted by DoWhat
and moved to Leonardtown, with no HOA.
Holy Shiat! You live in LT? :yikes:

Originally posted by Kain99
Holy Shiat! You live in LT? :yikes:
Up the road from the Jazz.

Originally posted by DoWhat
Sold the house and moved to Leonardtown, with no HOA. :yeahthat: Get out of the private community as fast as you can. I would sell too, but can't afford to sell and buy again around here and get the house I want. If I sell I'll head south to Florida.

Originally posted by msspeedyg
We need a drain ditch put in.

Are you talking about the pipe or the actual ditch? I'd agree that if your builder didn't put in a pipe then it's on you. I put in a 2nd driveway and bought my own pipe (about $80). The ditch was there so we just laid it in.

OTOH anything within 5' from the road is CRE property and they are supposed to maintain it. Don't hold your breath on that though. Spend the money and save the headache if you want it fixed.

Originally posted by DoWhat
Up the road from the Jazz.
Jazz lives in LT? Crap! :wink:

Originally posted by Kain99
Uhhh... I imagine being a business.. If they were not responsible they would simply say so. No need for "the run around."

is it possible the poster is talking about the builder not the HOA. if the builder still runs the HOA, it's a different incorporation. the two are mutually exclusive. having problems with the builder doesn't mean you should stop paying the dues, because it can come back and bite you in the a$$ in the form of a lien (like they said).

scour through the contract, plans, and the community plans (that were submitted by the developer) to see what it says about driveways.


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Originally posted by SuperGrover
if the builder still runs the HOA, it's a different incorporation. the two are mutually exclusive.

Anyone can buy a lot and build on it.

See the website for more info...
http://poacre.org/

Hey Grover, I see you got released from detention. :lmao:

EASEMENTS: The Corporation reserves on easement with right of entry upon, across, over, and through each lot for the purpose of constructing, operating, maintaining, and repairing drains, culverts, sanitary and storm sewers, water mains, utility lines and equipment

MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS FEE: Each lot purchasers or owner shall pay to the Corporation in advance by May 25th of each year an annual maintenance and operations fee (formerly call annual Chesapeake Ranch Club dues) for the operation of the common facilities and to provide security services.

ROAD FEE: Each lot purchaser or owner shall pay to the Corporation in advance by July 1st of each year an annual fee for each lot, for the construction, maintenance and repair of all roads in the subdivisions. Said fee shall be $86.40 for the year beginning July 1, 1987.

http://poacre.org/Covenants.html

Originally posted by Sharon
Hey Grover, I see you got released from detention. :lmao:

now # can go #### to giving my sagely advice :lmao:

Originally posted by msspeedyg
We have been fighting the Chesapeake Ranch Club for the last 5 months to get our driveway fixed.We need a drain ditch put in.All we keep getting from them is the run arounds.I feel that we pay $356.00 dollars a year in Association fees that they can fix my driveway.I have contacted ABC7 on your side and Calvert County Commissioners.I don't know what eles to do.I told them i wasn't paying my dues for this year until my problem was solved and they said that they'll put a lien against my home..I don't know what eles to do.......??????:bawl:



If they told you that they will put a lien against your house, then I advise you to just do it yourself.

That's the last thing in the world you want to worry about, especially if you don't have to.

Keep receipts and things and if you ever get anywhere with them, maybe they'll pay you back, but I would just pay for it. Plus, the longer you hold off, the worse it's gonna get.

It may not be fair what they're doing, but what can you do ?

Good luck.

Originally posted by bluecat
It may not be fair what they're doing, but what can you do ?

Good luck.

Write to the HOA head honcho, and send it certified mail/return receipt. Give 'em 3 chances ... then contact an attorney. Dealing with builders/HOAs can suck azz. I know ... my builder is a complete sh!tbag after he gets his check at settlement. :ohwell:

Originally posted by crabcake
Write to the HOA head honcho, and send it certified mail/return receipt. Give 'em 3 chances ...:blahblah: Bwahahahaha! :killingme :lmao: :roflmao:





Yeah, that'll help. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Kain99
Jazz lives in LT? Crap! :wink:
:neener: My address says LT, but I'm much closer to Callaway.

Originally posted by SuperGrover
EASEMENTS: The Corporation reserves on easement with right of entry upon, across, over, and through each lot for the purpose of constructing, operating, maintaining, and repairing drains, culverts, sanitary and storm sewers, water mains, utility lines and equipment

MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS FEE: Each lot purchasers or owner shall pay to the Corporation in advance by May 25th of each year an annual maintenance and operations fee (formerly call annual Chesapeake Ranch Club dues) for the operation of the common facilities and to provide security services.

ROAD FEE: Each lot purchaser or owner shall pay to the Corporation in advance by July 1st of each year an annual fee for each lot, for the construction, maintenance and repair of all roads in the subdivisions. Said fee shall be $86.40 for the year beginning July 1, 1987.

http://poacre.org/Covenants.html

Speedy, looking back at the posts, do you mean a drainage ditch that runs parallel to the road? if so, it's plainly stated above that CRE is responsible. Good luck!

also, nothing says that YOU can't place a lien against CRE's HOA if you end up installing a drain yourself.

Originally posted by SuperGrover
EASEMENTS: The Corporation reserves on easement with right of entry upon, across, over, and through each lot for the purpose of constructing, operating, maintaining, and repairing drains, culverts, sanitary and storm sewers, water mains, utility lines and equipment

MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS FEE: Each lot purchasers or owner shall pay to the Corporation in advance by May 25th of each year an annual maintenance and operations fee (formerly call annual Chesapeake Ranch Club dues) for the operation of the common facilities and to provide security services.

ROAD FEE: Each lot purchaser or owner shall pay to the Corporation in advance by July 1st of each year an annual fee for each lot, for the construction, maintenance and repair of all roads in the subdivisions. Said fee shall be $86.40 for the year beginning July 1, 1987.

http://poacre.org/Covenants.html

Nothin' in there 'bout maintaining your driveway (nor bushes, trees, grass, house, etc.). Get busy!

Originally posted by Sharon
Bwahahahaha! :killingme :lmao: :roflmao:





Yeah, that'll help. :rolleyes:

it may not, but it'll C.Y.A. if you need to take further action ... I screwed myself b/c I didn't certify my notices to the builder ... but it's all good, b/c I make up for it with the 20-footx20-foot day-glo orange sign I put at the edge of the road saying "OUR BUILDER SUX AZZ!" while he's trying to sell houses behind me for $375K! :biggrin:

Originally posted by crabcake
it may not, but it'll C.Y.A. if you need to take further action ... I screwed myself b/c I didn't certify my notices to the builder ... but it's all good, b/c I make up for it with the 20-footx20-foot day-glo orange sign I put at the edge of the road saying "OUR BUILDER SUX AZZ!" while he's trying to sell houses behind me for $375K! :biggrin:

:lmao:

Originally posted by SuperGrover
EASEMENTS: The Corporation reserves on easement with right of entry upon, across, over, and through each lot for the purpose of [b]constructing, operating, maintaining, and repairing drains, culverts, sanitary and storm sewers, water mains, utility lines and equipment
EASEMENT is the trick word here. If they need to run a drain in front of your property to solve a problem, they can do it whether you like it or not. The drain protecting YOUR driveway is YOUR problem. When was your home built? That is a big problem in Drum Point and CRC. Many older houses were built without regard for drainage and, believe it or not, several roads are not where they are supposed to be. I thought I paid more than $80 for a pipe but it wasn't much more and it included the flared pieces for both ends. Add to that the labor of a couple of high school kids for diggers and it is a whole lot cheaper than going to court for a losing battle.

Originally posted by willie
it is a whole lot cheaper than going to court for a losing battle.

It just doesn't make sense when you pay $100K + for a house and quibble over a few buck$ to maintain the driveway. If you fix it once the right way, it'll quit washing out. We've had some really heavy storms here the past few days. I've seen lots of stuff that normally wouldn't be flooded, washed away, but what can you do? The newly constructed house up the road just got a lawn put in before the storms hit. When I walked Bear this morning some of it was washed out and they had a lake in the front yard. :lol:

They won't let us put in the drain ditch.They said that they have to have misutility come out and mark all of the wires that run threw our driveway and across the road,So our hands are tied.And its the drain ditch that runs parallel to the road so it's there place to fix it not mine...

YOU can call SMECO and have them mark your yard/driveway.

Originally posted by msspeedyg
They won't let us put in the drain ditch.They said that they have to have misutility come out and mark all of the wires that run threw our driveway and across the road,So our hands are tied.And its the drain ditch that runs parallel to the road so it's there place to fix it not mine...
There is a serious case of miscommunication here. Did they actually say the words "you can't do it"? If so, those suckers owe me a bunch of drain pipes. Miss Utility should be called for any kind of digging, you can make the call. If you just plain don't want to do the work, call a contractor. It will not be an expensive job.

I live in CRE as well. I do have a drainage tube that runs under my driveway and I'm about to add another one. The wonder brainiacs at CRE "graded" the road, and basically scraped the edge of the road completely clean of any remaining blacktop or stone, so now there is just dirt, with a hard square edge to my lawn. Now, everybody's lawn edge is being undercut by all this rain we have, and there are some REALLY big holes being created at roads edge where the dirst is washing out.

CRE is in financial trouble right now, as is the related CRE water company. They are fighting the county/state for control and aid, which only pushes the rules more into the GREY area.

I have not yet paid my dues this year because they pissed me off for other issues. Does it hurt them? No. But they also have not placed a lien against me. I don't use their facilitys, and as for teh security claim, well, thanks to the neighbors, the police are around more often than the security patrol.

I live in the Raunch Estates also. I never depend on the CRE HOA to do anything except ineptly fill the potholes as they form over and over again in the road (they fill it with gravel.. duh!!). I don't go to them when I need to remove a tree or alter/add to my property. I have the same type of problem starting in front of my driveway and will probably just throw in a drain pipe myself. Even if it is CRE's responsibility (which I am in doubt of), I know that they would not do it or blunder it if they did.
Good luck!

I am my own HOA.

Originally posted by Pete
I am my own HOA. Run off the new neighbors yet?

Originally posted by RoseRed
Run off the new neighbors yet? I will let them stay, they are cool. But I have my order in for the hogs and goats and I have my lawn chair placed for when the new neighbors move in 3 weeks.

Originally posted by Pete
I will let them stay, they are cool. But I have my order in for the hogs and goats and I have my lawn chair placed for when the new neighbors move in 3 weeks. Don't forget to clean your shot gun and get your spitoon out. :wink:

Isn't CRE's dues somewhere in the neighborhood of $300 a year? That is ridiculously high.

White Sand's dues are $180 a year... and Drum Point's are $15 a year. I'm not sure why there's such a huge difference in cost, but if it's because of the facilities available in the CRE, I think they ought to strike all or part of those from the dues and make them a pay per use facility.

I know CRE is probably double the size of White Sands and several times the size of Drum Point, which would need more money for services. But there's also more houses and thus more sources of money.

Originally posted by RoseRed
Don't forget to clean your shot gun and get your spitoon out. :wink: It's always clean and a spitoon? You have me confused with someone who has class, I use a coke can.

Originally posted by Pete
It's always clean and a spitoon? You have me confused with someone who has class, I use a coke can. Sorry, my bad...

Originally posted by sleuth
Isn't CRE's dues somewhere in the neighborhood of $300 a year? That is ridiculously high.

White Sand's dues are $180 a year... and Drum Point's are $15 a year. I'm not sure why there's such a huge difference in cost, but if it's because of the facilities available in the CRE, I think they ought to strike all or part of those from the dues and make them a pay per use facility.

I know CRE is probably double the size of White Sands and several times the size of Drum Point, which would need more money for services. But there's also more houses and thus more sources of money.

$300 is not bad at all, considering. 3 bay beaches, one lake beach, campgrounds, mulitiple play grounds, boat launches and community buildings (dance hall, restroom facilities at the beaches, community center...). That $300 I think is actually $360, takes care of all of that, plowing of the " improved" roads in the winter, since they are currently owned by CRE as is the public water system.

The problem is, that all of that is aging, and the cost is starting to overwhelm them as is the lawyer fees for multiple fights that they are in with state and water companies for control, and aid. Service is starting to deteriorate along with the roads and facilities. Long term planning looks fantastic...baseball fields, pools, tennis courts, new roads, community centers... They're just in pretty bad shape right now.

I think it should absolutely be CRE's responsibility to repair the driveway. They are responsible for the storm drains. As a matter of fact according to CRE the first few feet of your property technically is not yours, it is CRE's. They are supposed to maintain the drains and make sure that they are free of debris so that they can drain appropriately as well as pull the weeds from the area. However, I dont see where they ever do it and unless you want your house to look like a dump, then you must do it yourself.

Our road is not paved and they continue to replace the road with gravel after heavy rains. Usually the replacement is not even done until I complain about the fact that the bottom of my car scrapes when entering my driveway due to the road being washed away. Then when I threaten them with pictures of the roads and damage estimates to my car they come and fix it.

I love living here, however I get sick of abiding by all the rules stated in the bilaws and CRE not doing their part. The house behind me looks like a junk pile with an empty keg, baby strollers hanging of the decks, walkers sitting in the yard and trees still laying across my yard that fell from theres during the hurricane. However, I have brought it to CRE's attention that this is a constant eye sore and that when I have company over and we sit on the deck we must stare at the house owned by Sanford & son! They do nothing! It states that our yards must be maintained, however they dont enforce it for those who do not abide and then wonder why they get such a bad rap!

Originally posted by sinwagon
The house behind me looks like a junk pile with an empty keg, baby strollers hanging of the decks, walkers sitting in the yard and trees still laying across my yard that fell from theres during the hurricane. Post a pic for my Isabel collection, please! :lol:

New rule... if the tree is in your yard if belongs to you now. :suxdon'tit:

Originally posted by Sharon
Post a pic for my Isabel collection, please! :lol: :yeahthat: :lol:

Originally posted by sinwagon
... I love living here, however I get sick of abiding by all the rules stated in the bilaws and CRE not doing their part. The house behind me looks like a junk pile with an empty keg, baby strollers hanging of the decks, ... Sorry neighbor, but I need the stroller to move the keg after each refill. :cheers:

Originally posted by Kyle
Sorry neighbor, but I need the stroller to move the keg after each refill. :cheers: That's a mighty big mug you have there Kyle. :wink:

Originally posted by sinwagon
The house behind me looks like a junk pile ...

Dag...sounds like my neighbors and your neighbors would get along fine. Among the junk, my neighbors have marajuana growing in their yard and a dog that doesn't know who's yard he's supposed to chit in. How do I know about the weed? Because they asked our permission first. :rolleyes: I'm not kidding. It's for their own use, it's not enough to distribute, and since they have moved in, the police haven't been out to the house in a month, where they used to be there once a week.

Darn, my neighbors were trash pigs who used to fill up the back of their pick-up truck before hauling it to the dump. Ever since I started shooting the crows and cats feeding out of it, they've been pretty good about keeping that stuff inside. Maybe the heat and dead carcasses smell worse to them. :shrug:

Originally posted by Sharon
Ever since I started shooting the crows and cats feeding out of it, they've been pretty good about keeping that stuff inside. :lmao: I can see you doing that! :roflmao:

Originally posted by Sharon
D Ever since I started shooting the crows and cats feeding out of it,

:yikes: That lady WAS right. :lmao: