2/1/05

Steve Spielberg, MGM and Warner Brothers and many other Hollywood leaders are trying to tell you and I what we can and cannot watch with our families in our homes!

These Hollywood leaders have filed a major lawsuit to block new technology that gives families the option to automatically skip offensive scenes on DVDs.

I just joined 254,492 citizens in signing Grassfire's Broadcast Decency petition to send Hollywood a strong message and secure our right to Family-Safe viewing of movies.

For more information and to join me in signing:

http://www.grassfire.org/39/petition.asp?PID=5031835&NID=1

Thanks!


2A

P.S. A bill called the Family Movie Act is currently being
considered in Congress (H.R. 4586). This bill will secure our right to Family-Safe viewing and keep Hollywood elitists from dictating what we can view in our homes. Please sign the petition and take action by calling Congress.

+ + Backgrounder on the Family Movie Act of 2004

http://www.grassfire.org/39/petition.asp?PID=5031835&NID=1

Are they trying to tell you what you can watch or or they trying to maintain the integrity of their work?
Do you think Michaelangelo's David would be better suited for viewing if his pecker was chiseled off?
Every time I walk into the video store, the choice of what I chose to watch is up to me. Every DVD has a rating on it and a description of why it was given that rating. If I want to see a chopped up, censored version I can just wait for it to be shown on network TV.
The government is not my mommy.

Wow... It is not they, that are guilty of censorship....

Are you two stupid or something? They're talking about distributing "family-friendly" versions of the filth that comes out of Hollywood IN ADDITION TO the original version. Nobody's trying to take away your titties and cusswords - distributors are just trying to offer an alternative for those who might want to watch the movie but not have to put up with all the offensive garbage that these lazy effers call "entertainment" these days.

What the Hollyweirds are afraid of is that more people will buy the cleaned up versions and their little plot to poison American minds with filth and degeneracy will fail. Why else would they object? Is nudity and profanity THAT important to the plot of their "stories"?

:rolleyes:

This crap burns me up. :burning:
I'm a single adult male and if I buy a new TV I have to pay extra for a "V" chip because some chip salesman convinced a bunch of whinny azz losers that government regulation is a better solution to protecting their kids than parents actually paying attention to what they are doing.

Don't these idiots know that if you press the + channel button on a remote running a DVD it goes to the next scene?

The Petition States:
As a concerned citizen and television viewer, I am calling on the FCC and our leaders in Congress to adopt strict and enforceable regulations that restore decency to network television—especially during the family-viewing hours!

The recent rash of trash on television and subsequent public outcry should serve as a wake-up call to our leadership that the vast majority of Americans want decency restored to the airwaves. I am calling on our elected leadership to support the Broadcast Decency Enforcement Act of 2004 (HR 3717), and any other legislation that seeks to bring responsibility and accountability back to network television, motion pictures and other media.

I also support measures like the Family Movie Act (H.R. 4586) that affirm the right of citizens to purchase and use in the privacy of their homes technology that allows them to skip or mute over objectionable content in legally purchased or rented DVD movies.
:confused: Why can't they do this now? I can.

Are you two stupid or something? They're talking about distributing "family-friendly" versions of the filth that comes out of Hollywood IN ADDITION TO the original version. Nobody's trying to take away your titties and cusswords - distributors are just trying to offer an alternative for those who might want to watch the movie but not have to put up with all the offensive garbage that these lazy effers call "entertainment" these days.

What the Hollyweirds are afraid of is that more people will buy the cleaned up versions and their little plot to poison American minds with filth and degeneracy will fail. Why else would they object? Is nudity and profanity THAT important to the plot of their "stories"?

:rolleyes:
I'm sick and tired of stroking the jones's It's BS! If The movie is inappropriate don't pick it up idiot! Why should we cater to you? It's ignorance and will eventually be the down fall of America if allowed!

Take responsibilty for your families Jerk Off!

Are they trying to tell you what you can watch or or they trying to maintain the integrity of their work?
Do you think Michaelangelo's David would be better suited for viewing if his pecker was chiseled off?
Every time I walk into the video store, the choice of what I chose to watch is up to me. Every DVD has a rating on it and a description of why it was given that rating. If I want to see a chopped up, censored version I can just wait for it to be shown on network TV.
The government is not my mommy.
:yeahthat:

And 2A, I would advise you to not use a phrase like "Hollywood elitists." I don't think you meant it as code, but plenty of people use phrases like that to invoke ugly myths about supposed Jewish cabals in entertainment and academia. Even "Hollywood Versus America" author Michael Medved has objected to that kind of code talk. Just my 2 cents.

What's so bad about it? There's nothing wrong with having a device to automatically fast-forward/skip scenes you don't want to see (for whatever reason). It sounds to me like they are trying to take back the responsiblilty of family viewing.

From the article:
I also support measures like the Family Movie Act (H.R. 4586) that affirm the right of citizens to purchase and use in the privacy of their homes technology that allows them to skip or mute over objectionable content in legally purchased or rented DVD movies.

And 2A, I would advise you to not use a phrase like "Hollywood elitists." I don't think you meant it as code, but plenty of people use phrases like that to invoke ugly myths about supposed Jewish cabals in entertainment and academia. Even "Hollywood Versus America" author Michael Medved has objected to that kind of code talk.

Just my 2 cents.

I'll give ya 3¢ to shut up with your wacky comments. Are you trying to censor him? :lmao:

What's so bad about it? There's nothing wrong with having a device to automatically fast-forward/skip scenes you don't want to see (for whatever reason). It sounds to me like they are trying to take back the responsiblilty of family viewing.

From the article:
What does that mean? Responsibilty falls on the Family... No one is trying to take it back! Good Mommies and Daddies don't rent bad movies.

End of story...

If The movie is inappropriate don't pick it up idiot! Why should we cater to you?
Hello? You're NOT "catering to" anyone - if anything, people like ME are catering to people like YOU. Your skeez version would still be available for you to jerk off over. But there would be another toned down version that I could watch with my kids and not have to skip over every other scene or have to hear emeffer every other sentence.

Why do you object so strenuously to people having a choice in their entertainment? You've got this weird Clockwork Orange thing going on.

And 2A, I would advise you to not use a phrase like "Hollywood elitists." I don't think you meant it as code, but plenty of people use phrases like that to invoke ugly myths about supposed Jewish cabals in entertainment and academia. Even "Hollywood Versus America" author Michael Medved has objected to that kind of code talk. Just my 2 cents.
Oh, look - the thought police have landed.

Tonio, do me a favor and keep your paranoid fantasies about "code speech" to yourself, okay? Otherwise the people in nice white suits will come scoop you up in their butterfly net.

Hello? You're NOT "catering to" anyone - if anything, people like ME are catering to people like YOU. Your skeez version would still be available for you to jerk off over. But there would be another toned down version that I could watch with my kids and not have to skip over every other scene or have to hear emeffer every other sentence.

Why do you object so strenuously to people having a choice in their entertainment? You've got this weird Clockwork Orange thing going on.
First I must say, I am stunned as I discussed clock work orange with a friend this morning..."Do you have my house bugged?" :lmao:

I Do not object to people having a choice.... I object to the illusions they are desperately trying to create! Look Son, Mommy and Daddy rented the good version of "Monster" Come on..... It's ignorance extrodinaire!

I would like to have/use such a device in my home. There are alot of good movies that I can't share with my kids because of adult language or inappropriate scenes. When we do get a chance to sit down and watch movies together, I like watching TNT, FAM or other stations that dub out the bad words and snip the inappropriate scenes.

Good Mommies and Daddies don't rent bad movies.
What part of "choice" is upsetting you so much? You, Kain99, will still be able to rent full-version movies, complete with profanity, nudity, subjugation of women, racial slurs - the whole nine yards. But I, vraiblonde, will have a choice to rent an edited version that removes that crap. The same movie - two different versions.

How is that "censorship"?

Hello? You're NOT "catering to" anyone - if anything, people like ME are catering to people like YOU. Your skeez version would still be available for you to jerk off over. But there would be another toned down version that I could watch with my kids and not have to skip over every other scene or have to hear emeffer every other sentence.

Why do you object so strenuously to people having a choice in their entertainment? You've got this weird Clockwork Orange thing going on.

Because it's just going to run up the cost of movie making for everyone. Including those of you who can't read a rating post on a movie box.

What part of "choice" is upsetting you so much? You, Kain99, will still be able to rent full-version movies, complete with profanity, nudity, subjugation of women, racial slurs - the whole nine yards. But I, vraiblonde, will have a choice to rent an edited version that removes that crap. The same movie - two different versions.

How is that "censorship"?
What? Do ya think this comes Free? I think it is utter nonesense that these idiots want family happy verisons of Lethal Weapon! My God! What do they see... 5 minutes? It's just sheer stupidity and yes it drives me to wanna scream!

Rent Good Happy Family Movies and STFU! Talk about wanting your cake and eating it too...... Fatties!

Look Son, Mommy and Daddy rented the good version of "Monster" Come on..... It's ignorance extrodinaire!
How is that ignorance?

If anything, this is a case of Hollywood trying to shove its depravity down our throats, not people like me trying to censor them. Why would directors have a problem releasing toned down versions of their movies? You'd think they'd have thought of it int he first place to broaden their audience and make more buckage.

Oh, look - the thought police have landed.

Tonio, do me a favor and keep your paranoid fantasies about "code speech" to yourself, okay? Otherwise the people in nice white suits will come scoop you up in their butterfly net.Just go stick your head in a toilet and gargle, OK? Your single brain cell must get lonely inside your empty head. I'm not an expert in prejudice, but I know what I'm talking about when it comes to code, having been exposed to a lot of it growing up.

:popcorn:

How is that ignorance?

If anything, this is a case of Hollywood trying to shove its depravity down our throats, not people like me trying to censor them. Why would directors have a problem releasing toned down versions of their movies? You'd think they'd have thought of it int he first place to broaden their audience and make more buckage.
Roll over sista! You are next! Be prepared to provide a Happy family version of SOMD where the forum link doesn't show!

Absolute lazy parenting! They should all be shot!

What's so bad about it? There's nothing wrong with having a device to automatically fast-forward/skip scenes you don't want to see (for whatever reason). It sounds to me like they are trying to take back the responsiblilty of family viewing.

From the article:
Quote:
I also support measures like the Family Movie Act (H.R. 4586) that affirm the right of citizens to purchase and use in the privacy of their homes technology that allows them to skip or mute over objectionable content in legally purchased or rented DVD movies.

Does your DVD remote have a channel selector? If you press the up/+ button if will skip to the next scene.
I don't have any problem with rated/unrated versions of movies or the FCC enforcing guidelines for TV family viewing times. What I object to is being forced to pay for the latest "Nanny technology" wether I want it or not.
TV is a profit driven market. If you support the advertisers of the Disney channel and let the advertisers of shows like Desperate Houswives that you won't be using their products due to their support of a show that contradicts your values, you'll get results without government interference in the market.

Roll over sista! You are next! Be prepared to provide a Happy family version of SOMD where the forum link doesn't show!




Isn't this already a kinder, gentler forum? :shrug:

Because it's just going to run up the cost of movie making for everyone.
So what? They'll make it back with larger distribution. Every year the BIGGEST box office/rental/purchase movies are PG or PG-13 ones. Shrek. Star Wars. LOTR. You'd think Hollywood would get a clue and realize that there's a bigger market for family entertainment than there is for the trash they try and shove down our throats.

So, since it's obviously not about money, why do you suppose they keep promoting the crap they do?

Absolute lazy parenting! They should all be shot!
We don't use swear language in my house. I limit what we watch as a family. As a result, there is a very limited choices of interesting movies. If I had a device available that would "edit" movies or had access to an "editted" version, I would definately do so. Heck, music CDs aleady have been doing this for years... you can get an editted version of some popular CDs simply by purchasing them at Walmart verses a music shop. :shrug:

Just go stick your head in a toilet and gargle, OK?
Wooo! That's telling me! :rolleyes:

I know what I'm talking about when it comes to code, having been exposed to a lot of it growing up.
I'm sure the little voices told you all about it, huh? :rolleyes:

HOLLYWOOD ELITE
HOLLYWOOD ELITE
HOLLYWOOD ELITE
HOLLYWOOD ELITE
HOLLYWOOD ELITE
HOLLYWOOD ELITE

So there!

Just go stick your head in a toilet and gargle, OK? Your single brain cell must get lonely inside your empty head. I'm not an expert in prejudice, but I know what I'm talking about when it comes to code, having been exposed to a lot of it growing up.
Do you hear voices that describe the "code" to you?

What? Do ya think this comes Free? I think it is utter nonesense that these idiots want family happy verisons of Lethal Weapon! My God! What do they see... 5 minutes? It's just sheer stupidity and yes it drives me to wanna scream!
If you read the article, violence is OK so Lethal Weapon would still be a good movie. Danny Glover's daughter making the condom commercial might be cut, but all the blood an killing is cool for kiddies to watch.

So what? They'll make it back with larger distribution. Every year the BIGGEST box office/rental/purchase movies are PG or PG-13 ones. Shrek. Star Wars. LOTR. You'd think Hollywood would get a clue and realize that there's a bigger market for family entertainment than there is for the trash they try and shove down our throats.

So, since it's obviously not about money, why do you suppose they keep promoting the crap they do?
They promote it because we buy it! And yes Mike... It's kinder and gentler now that we have the private forums to hook and swing in...... Vrai aint no dummy and I guarantee shes's playing devils advocate. :lmao:

:banghead: she beat me again

:snacks:

Roll over sista! You are next! Be prepared to provide a Happy family version of SOMD where the forum link doesn't show!
And why would I care about that? How would it hurt me in any way, shape or form?

We don't use swear language in my house. I limit what we watch as a family. As a result, there is a very limited choices of interesting movies. If I had a device available that would "edit" movies or had access to an "editted" version, I would definately do so. Heck, music CDs aleady have been doing this for years... you can get an editted version of some popular CDs simply by purchasing them at Walmart verses a music shop. :shrug:
K you are a great Momma.... YOu do realize they got to school each day and hear these words right? It's a matter of raising...Not a matter of avoidance.

I guess thats my point.

Do you hear voices that describe the "code" to you?
No, the voices say, "Don't listen to Pete. The crap on your shoes is more intelligent than he is."

And why would I care about that? How would it hurt me in any way, shape or form?
Well lets start with the PIA factor..... SOMD is currently instantly available. New stupid ignated laws and one must sign up...Not to mention the nightmarish code you will have to write to filter the normals from the non-normals.....

It's a problem for us all and I say lieing, lazy ass parents do not deserve the luxury. It's a Dog eat dog world! People suck... People cuss and OMG they have sex!

You can only hide it so long and ya know something? I think the protected children are more at risk..... Really!

No, the voices say, "Don't listen to Pete. The crap on your shoes is more intelligent than he is."So you were at that party too. :shrug:

I'm sure the little voices told you all about it, huh? :rolleyes:
I understand from your kids that you're a bad mother.

K you are a great Momma.... YOu do realize they got to school each day and hear these words right? It's a matter of raising...Not a matter of avoidance.

I guess thats my point.
Yep. I do realize it. Just like I realize my son gets to play Grand Theft Auto or watch whatever is allowed at his friend's home when he visits his friend's house. But I still believe it sends a message when I don't back down when it comes to what I deem acceptable in my home. He is only 12, but he respects that...:shrug:

Not to mention the nightmarish code you will have to write to filter the normals from the non-normals.....
Um, Kain? If we were to filter the normals from the non-normals...well, let's just say that I'd miss both you and Tonio.

It's a problem for us all and I say lieing, lazy ass parents do not deserve the luxury.
IT'S NOT A PROBLEM FOR ANYONE!!! You get your smut, I get my wholesome family entertainment - HOW IS THAT A PROBLEM????

I understand from your kids that you're a bad mother.
The voices tell you that?

No, the voices say, "Don't listen to Pete. The crap on your shoes is more intelligent than he is."
Gee, my voices say "Don't step in crap" :lmao: :lmao:

Um, Kain? If we were to filter the normals from the non-normals...well, let's just say that I'd miss both you and Tonio.


IT'S NOT A PROBLEM FOR ANYONE!!! You get your smut, I get my wholesome family entertainment - HOW IS THAT A PROBLEM????
Never been my goal to be like everyone else.... Wish that didn't bug you so much. I am right and you are wrong so please.... Just go sit in the corner and ponder.

May be non normal but I watch how you feed 2A's threads.... Great marketing! He pisses people off! Way to keep him going.... I'd probably do the same! :kiss:

No, the voices say, "Don't listen to Pete. The crap on your shoes is more intelligent than he is."
So what is the answer to the question? :confused: You do hear voices, and you don't pay them any mind because you know they are wrong, or you do not hear voices at all. Do you do everything Michael Medved says? Is he the voice you hear?

The voices tell you that?
Michael Medved told him.

Never been my goal to be like everyone else.

:purpledildo:

:thewave:

:purpledildo:


:shocking:

:purpledildo:
OMG! Ya got me! :killingme

Um, Kain? If we were to filter the normals from the non-normals...well, let's just say that I'd miss both you and Tonio.
So what is the answer to the question? :confused: You do hear voices, and you don't pay them any mind because you know they are wrong, or you do not hear voices at all. Do you do everything Michael Medved says? Is he the voice you hear?
Both your mothers were saying the same things as I left their houses.

Both your mothers were saying the same things as I left their houses.
:weak:

Both your mothers were saying the same things as I left their houses.
:lmao:






Dumbass

Um, Kain? If we were to filter the normals from the non-normals...well, let's just say that I'd miss both you and Tonio.
woohoo I finally made the cut! :getdown:

I don't see the big deal with this. They're not taking away one's right or ability to view the naughtier version; just offering more options to those who don't want to see it. It's like McD's ... not everyone likes beef, so they started offering chicken sandwiches too, while appeasing their meat eaters. :shrug:

OMG! Ya got me! :killingme
:lmao: :roflmao: :killingme

Thread killer!

Both your mothers were saying the same things as I left their houses.
When unable to carry on a spirited debate, always resort to "your momma" insults. (so the voices say) :bonk:

It's a problem for us all and I say lieing, lazy ass parents do not deserve the luxury. It's a Dog eat dog world! People suck... People cuss and OMG they have sex!

You can only hide it so long and ya know something? I think the protected children are more at risk..... Really!
But I don't hide things from my kids... I still remember the first day my son came home from middle school and said, "Mom, you do know I ride the bus with high school kids now... you should hear the way they talk." I told him I was sure he would hear and see alot and we have since had one on one discussions about the 7th grader caught having sex and the high schooler who announced she was prego, etc...." I don't think what I am doing is "sheltering" my kids. I see that I am living by example, and that when my kids are on their own, they will fully understand where I stand on things. They will ultimately make whatever decision they deem fit at the time, but they will fully understand whether or not to expect me to be disappointed should they chose differently. They also already know that we are all responsible for the actions that come from our decisions, so in the least, should they reap negative consequences, they won't be blaming others...:shrug:

When unable to carry on a spirited debate, always resort to "your momma" insults. (so the voices say) :bonk:


It's the liberal way.......:duh:

Both your mothers were saying the same things as I left their houses.
You are one to talk about mothers. Speaking of whacky families, you still estranged from the evil family of yours that traumatized you and turned you into the hand wringing panty waste that you are today? Did they speak in "code" when you were a kid? Is that how you have such an inane ability to detect "code speak"?

Both your mothers were saying the same things as I left their houses.

Oh, snap! Told me again! :rolleyes:

I'm glad to see a discussion on the merits of goverment intervention in the entertainment industry hasn't deteriorated into juvenile name calling....

Nevermind. :ohwell:

It's like McD's ... not everyone likes beef, so they started offering chicken sandwiches too, while appeasing their meat eaters. :shrug:
Well, according to Kain and Aps, that's censorship! People MUST eat the beef that is served - NO substitutions.

And Tonio might even call that "code speech" against vegetarians.

You are one to talk about mothers. Speaking of whacky families, you still estranged from the evil family of yours that traumatized you and turned you into the hand wringing panty waste that you are today? Did they speak in "code" when you were a kid? Is that how you have such an inane ability to detect "code speak"?
I thought he was ghey.

If I want a #1 at McDonalds, should I order a #3 in case the code changed? :confused: Anyone have an German enigma machine?

When unable to carry on a spirited debate, always resort to "your momma" insults. (so the voices say) :bonk:
This isn't a debate. When people are nasty and hurtful to me, I do my best to be nasty and hurtful right back, although I don't do a good job of it. I'd rather respond with a lame insult than to be passive and be pushed around.

You are one to talk about mothers. Speaking of whacky families, you still estranged from the evil family of yours that traumatized you and turned you into the hand wringing panty waste that you are today? Did they speak in "code" when you were a kid? Is that how you have such an inane ability to detect "code speak"?
What do I have to do to get you to shut your goddamn mouth?

I thought he was ghey.
Maybe just sensitive :shrug:

Maybe he is not ghey but he stayed at a "Therapy Inn Express" last night.

Well, according to Kain and Aps, that's censorship! People MUST eat the beef that is served - NO substitutions.
Never said that. I have no problem with whatever version a movie company chooses to produce in order to make a profit for their company.
My objection is to involving the government in order to force them to produce different versions.

What do I have to do to get you to shut your goddamn mouth?
Can I get back to you on this one? I hate to waste this chance with a poorly thought out response. :yay:

What do I have to do to get you to shut your goddamn mouth?
See that little X at the top right of your browser window? :jet:

What do I have to do to get you to shut your goddamn mouth?


Getting banned is a good way to not read it for a while!! :yay: :yay:

What do I have to do to get you to shut your goddamn mouth?
Lake? :confused:

Lake? :confused:
:yay: I'll call the St. Mary's Today :cheesy:

My objection is to involving the government in order to force them to produce different versions.
Reading for comprehension is your friend. Nobody is forcing directors do do anything, least of all the government.

The distributors want to release toned down versions of hit movies. The electronics developers want to make machines that filter offensive content. The movie people are complaining about this because they want you to have to watch their movie EXACTLY the way they made it, with NO filtering whatsoever.

Get it now?

Lake? :confused:

:Chappaquiddick:

You are one to talk about mothers. Speaking of whacky families, you still estranged from the evil family of yours that traumatized you and turned you into the hand wringing panty waste that you are today? Did they speak in "code" when you were a kid? Is that how you have such an inane ability to detect "code speak"?
What is your problem, anyway? I didn't get personal with you until you got personal with me.

No, the voices say, "Don't listen to Pete. The crap on your shoes is more intelligent than he is."You stepped in crap! :killingme

Sorry aps, didn't see your reply.

What is your problem, anyway? I didn't get personal with you until you got personal with me.
Dur - you brought my mother AND my kids into it. And I didn't say anything about your family.

It does so happen that my mother is a crisis intervention counselor, used to dealing with the psychiatrically challenged. If you had in fact gone over to her house, I doubt you'd have made it out of there so soon.

When I was young, my parents used to talk in code too! It made me so mad, then I grew up and learned to spell and I figured out there code. :lmao: :lmao:

It does so happen that my mother is a crisis intervention counselor, used to dealing with the psychiatrically challenged. If you had in fact gone over to her house, I doubt you'd have made it out of there so soon.

:killingme :killingme

Dur - you brought my mother AND my kids into it. And I didn't say anything about your family.
No, but you got personal in Post 13, and Pete got personal in post 28 before I said anything to him. It's fine if you don't accept the idea of code. This is going to sound like something a third-grader would say, but you were nasty and insulting to me first. I'd be a REAL panty-waist if I rolled over and played dead for you.

Reading for comprehension is your friend. Nobody is forcing directors do do anything, least of all the government.
The distributors want to release toned down versions of hit movies. The electronics developers want to make machines that filter offensive content. The movie people are complaining about this because they want you to have to watch their movie EXACTLY the way they made it, with NO filtering whatsoever.

Get it now?

:confused: No.

From the article:
I also support measures like the Family Movie Act (H.R. 4586) that affirm the right of citizens to purchase and use in the privacy of their homes technology that allows them to skip or mute over objectionable content in legally purchased or rented DVD movies.
If you can buy this equipment now, what is the problem? If there is a market/profit, the technology emerge. I'm concerned that this will be another "V" chip. It's in your TV, you paid extra for it but do you use it?

Dur - you brought my mother AND my kids into it. And I didn't say anything about your family.

It does so happen that my mother is a crisis intervention counselor, used to dealing with the psychiatrically challenged. If you had in fact gone over to her house, I doubt you'd have made it out of there so soon.


Yeah - and I thought they said she was a meam mommy, not a bad mommy! There is a BIG difference. They will thank her for being a meam mommy one day!

If you can buy this equipment now, what is the problem?
Because the Hollyweirds are trying to prevent that technology in DVD players. That's what this is all about. They're trying to say that filtering chips in DVD players are, in effect, censorship and that DVD manufacturers do not have the right to do that.

No, but you got personal in Post 13, and Pete got personal in post 28 before I said anything to him. It's fine if you don't accept the idea of code. This is going to sound like something a third-grader would say, but you were nasty and insulting to me first. I'd be a REAL panty-waist if I rolled over and played dead for you.
You are aware this is the INTERNET right?

You are aware this is the INTERNET right?


So, everything posted is TRUE, right? :confused:

This is going to sound like something a third-grader would say
.....

I probably don't need to elaborate on that.

.....

I probably don't need to elaborate on that.
Look, I take a lot of stuff personally. Just deal with it.

Look, I take a lot of stuff personally. Just deal with it.


Advice to yourself?? :shrug:

This is going to sound like something a third-grader would say, but you were nasty and insulting to me first.
Can't argue with that.

As long as I dont have to pay extra for my T&A and ascortment explictives movies or DVD player. I am fine

Look, I take a lot of stuff personally. Just deal with it.
Just curious, but how many red Karma hits have you gotten for this thread?

Look, I take a lot of stuff personally. Just deal with it.
No, YOU deal with it. It's not my problem, capisch?

As long as I dont have to pay extra for my T&A and ascortment explictives movies or DVD player. I am fine
EXACTLY! Thank you!

capisch
:offtopic: I tell DQ that when I'm laying down the law, too. :lol:

capisch

I love that word. Now I'll be saying it for the rest of the day. Thanks for making me smile. :huggy:

As long as I dont have to pay extra for my T&A and ascortment explictives movies or DVD player. I am fine
That's how the "V" chip started out. Then congress decided it wasn't "fair" to make idiots pay more for the TVs than normal people, so everybody has to pay for one.

:gossip:not a big fan of "I'm from the guberment and I'se here to hep you."

That's how the "V" chip started out. Then congress decided it wasn't "fair" to make idiots pay more for the TVs than normal people, so everybody has to pay for one.

I've never paid for one.

I've never paid for one.
If you bought a TV in the last 5 years you did.

That's how the "V" chip started out. Then congress decided it wasn't "fair" to make idiots pay more for the TVs than normal people, so everybody has to pay for one.

:gossip:not a big fan of "I'm from the guberment and I'se here to hep you."
Sounds like my beef with airbags.

Because the Hollyweirds are trying to prevent that technology in DVD players. That's what this is all about. They're trying to say that filtering chips in DVD players are, in effect, censorship and that DVD manufacturers do not have the right to do that.

O for crying out loud. I rent a new release DVD and it takes more than the alotted 3 days to watch the movie, 2 commentary tracks, the sound track track, the making of, the special FX special, deleted sceens, and trailers.

Whoever in congress voted for it. Lets try not vote them next term..

O for crying out loud. I rent a new release DVD and it takes more than the alotted 3 days to watch the movie, 2 commentary tracks, the sound track track, the making of, the special FX special, deleted sceens, and trailers.
OK, you're slow. Thanks for sharing.
Have fun watching that sound track. :lmao:

If you bought a TV in the last 5 years you did.

Bought one 3 years ago and no V-chip as far as I can tell. Never seen the option anyway.

Sounds like my beef with airbags.
What's wrong with a safety device that kills people?

Whoever in congress voted for it. Lets try not vote them next term..
Voted for what? :confused:

[QUOTE=aps45819]That's how the "V" chip started out. Then congress decided it wasn't "fair" to make idiots pay more for the TVs than normal people, so everybody has to pay for one.

How did you even notice the price change anyway?

[QUOTE=aps45819]That's how the "V" chip started out. Then congress decided it wasn't "fair" to make idiots pay more for the TVs than normal people, so everybody has to pay for one.

Hey that what he said

capischWhat is the sound of a water balloon hitting someone in the back of the head?

Hey that what he said
Oh, okay.

I wasn't aware that Congress set electronic prices. That's very informative, Aps - thank you for sharing.

I've never paid for one.
Pursuant to the Federal Communication Commission’s rules, half of all new television models 13 inches or larger manufactured after July 1, 1999, and all sets 13 inches or larger manufactured after January 1, 2000 must have V-Chip technology. Set top boxes that allow consumers to use V-Chip technology on their existing sets are now available.

Bet you did

OK, you're slow. Thanks for sharing.
Have fun watching that sound track. :lmao:
It's weird to watch a movie with just music, no dialog or sound effects. All these extras alter your perseption of a movie no less than cleaning it up a little would.

What is your problem, anyway? I didn't get personal with you until you got personal with me.
Is there still a need to answer this?

Oh, okay.

I wasn't aware that Congress set electronic prices. That's very informative, Aps - thank you for sharing.
No, but they mandated the inclusion of this technology.

It's weird to watch a movie with just music, no dialog or sound effects. All these extras alter your perseption of a movie no less than cleaning it up a little would.
Watch the special edition of the Holy Grail. There's a "Shakespeare overdub" that is hilarious. Best DVD addition ever made!

Is there still a need to answer this?
Yes, please.

I've been having a tough time with a TV/VCR/DVD combo that I recently bought. The DVD will only play commercially made DVDs, where my older DVD player will play audio CDs, MPEGs, video disks, etc. Also, if you try to play a DVD from an external player through the A/V jacks on the back, the TV applies a heavy RFI signal so that the picture is unviewable. You can watch broadcasts through the A/V jacks, and video from a VCR, but not video from a DVD player, even if the DVD is played through a VCR.

your first mistake was buying a combo tv/dvd/vcr. I've never had a vcr outlast a tv.

I've been having a tough time with a TV/VCR/DVD combo that I recently bought. The DVD will only play commercially made DVDs, where my older DVD player will play audio CDs, MPEGs, video disks, etc. Also, if you try to play a DVD from an external player through the A/V jacks on the back, the TV applies a heavy RFI signal so that the picture is unviewable. You can watch broadcasts through the A/V jacks, and video from a VCR, but not video from a DVD player, even if the DVD is played through a VCR.
Some of the new DVD/VCR players have technology in them, at the insistence of the Hollywood elite :neener:, to prevent the playing of video that is not original production. They will not play copied tapes, DVDs, CDs, or other media. Most will still play the tapes you record from your video camera or from the TV. That is a chip they like.

Um, Kain? If we were to filter the normals from the non-normals...well, let's just say that I'd miss both you and Tonio.


IT'S NOT A PROBLEM FOR ANYONE!!! You get your smut, I get my wholesome family entertainment - HOW IS THAT A PROBLEM????
My understanding is that what they want to do is create machines and media that when you watch a DVD, with the option turned on, the movie will automatically skip the violence/language/sex. When the option is NOT turned on, the same DVD will show the entire, un-edited version. I have no problem with this scenario. I try to keep cursing and other foul language from my children, but unless we watch an old TV version, I can't show Raiders of the Lost Ark to my kids due to 1 scene. Yes, I can skip the entire scene by fast forwarding, but I'd prefer to have the DVD automatically skip the single word. Back in the late 80's the TV version of R.O.T.L.A. had "GOSH-DAM" (replace GOSH with GOD) edited out (scene where Indy goes looking for the amulet, and after the fire Marion shows him the amulet and says "I'm your GOSH-DAM partner!"). The current TV version has the word in it. I remember to this day the first time I saw that version, and telling my parent's that they had edited it, and what it used to be, and my smacked my 1/2 way across the room for cussing.

Heck, music CDs aleady have been doing this for years... you can get an editted version of some popular CDs simply by purchasing them at Walmart verses a music shop. :shrug:
But that IS a problem, Wal-Mart (now the worlds largest retailer) only sells censored versions of CD's....there isn't a choice. I think a lot of people see the possibility of DVD censoring as the start of a greater movement toward limiting expression. It's like the argument a few years ago when all those librarians got upset that the government wanted filters placed on public internet terminals in libraries. In that situation everyone is forced to suffer though censored material, it's not that they wanted children exposed to porn, they were disturbed that some useful information will be blocked. The same is true of censoring DVDs, if entire scenes are removed it could significantly impact the movie....yes right now an uncensored version would also be available. But who is to say that Wal-Mart or other retailers would only offer the censored version? The current ratings system provides enough information for a parent to make a responsible choice.

I remember to this day the first time I saw that version, and telling my parent's that they had edited it, and what it used to be, and my smacked my 1/2 way across the room for cussing.

Somebody think of the children!! Actually, that's just what they need! My parents didn't worry about me hearing swears because they knew I wouldn't repeat them in their presence for that very reason. Swift smack up side the head will cure that smart mouth.

What kind of generation will all this censorship and over protection breed? Will it do any good? I was a kid who rode a bike without a helmet, played with lawn darts, listened to cussing, saw pron :shocking: watched Bugs and Daffy debate what season without finding the need to emulate any of it. Why? Because I knew if I effed up, my momma would hear about it and I'd be history.

Alluding to the original post in the tread: I thought it might be an urban legend, or something out of the 700 club. :ewww:

But that IS a problem, Wal-Mart (now the worlds largest retailer) only sells censored versions of CD's....there isn't a choice. I think a lot of people see the possibility of DVD censoring as the start of a greater movement toward limiting expression. It's like the argument a few years ago when all those librarians got upset that the government wanted filters placed on public internet terminals in libraries. In that situation everyone is forced to suffer though censored material, it's not that they wanted children exposed to porn, they were disturbed that some useful information will be blocked. The same is true of censoring DVDs, if entire scenes are removed it could significantly impact the movie....yes right now an uncensored version would also be available. But who is to say that Wal-Mart or other retailers would only offer the censored version? The current ratings system provides enough information for a parent to make a responsible choice.
Stores are free to sell whatever they want. You are free to shop elsewhere. It doesn't matter how big Wal-Mart gets, you can always go somewhere else. You can get anything online.

Somebody think of the children!!

Somebody think of the rest of us too. I don't care for the cursing, nudity, and gratitous violence which is standard fare in movies today. If I want pron, I'll download it from the INTERNET (then copy it, then share it with friends, then hide if from wifey, then steal it back from my son, then finally get to watch it, then. . . . :dead: )

Alluding to the original post in the tread: I thought it might be an urban legend, or something out of the 700 club. :ewww:
It is not either of those. It is an actual petition.

Airwolf has the explanation correct. The move is to have smart DVD players and encode DVDs. You can choose to see the R rated version, the PG version, or the G version. Now watching the G version of a XXX rated DVD might just leave you with the opening and closing credits. But think of the advantage for working parents that cannot be home with the children that are old enough to be home by themselves. Put the DVD player in PG or G mode and lock it in that mode. The kids won't be able to watch the XXX DVD they grabbed from the kid down the streets dad's DVD collection at your house. I think that is an advantage.

DVDs are now encoded to let you have alternate endings. The scenes are already encoded by chapters. It would just add another byte of encoding that would mark each scene as X, R, PG, or G and add or modify firmware (just programs in chips that are already there in the DVD players) to read the extra encoding and skip the scenes that are above the limit you set.

Heck, for you porn lovers, this could be taken a step further and the program could be made to only show the X stuff so your could skip to only the "good parts". And, NO, I am not recommending watching porn; I just know a lot of people do.

Heck, for you porn lovers, this could be taken a step further and the program could be made to only show the X stuff so your could skip to only the "good parts". And, NO, I am not recommending watching porn; I just know a lot of people do.
But then you'd miss out on the great dialog and plot! :killingme

But then you'd miss out on the great dialog and plot! :killingme
Yeah.

He: "Your place or mine."
She: "Decisions."
He: "Heck. There is a park bench over there."
She: "OK."

:blahblah:
Ylexot has it exactly right.

You're not the only one who lives in this country, you know. The rest of us have rights, too. And if you want to go on with your fantasy about how limiting the amount of filth that gets through to me and my kids is somehow preventing you from being entertained, be my guest. But know that you sound like an idiot.

If Wal-Mart doesn't sell what you want, SHOP SOMEWHERE ELSE.

If you can't surf for porn in a public library, GET YOUR OWN COMPUTER AND INTERNET CONNECTION.

:dur:

If Wal-Mart doesn't sell what you want, SHOP SOMEWHERE ELSE.

But when 1 out of 5 major label albums (http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/_/id/6558540/thekillers?pageid=rs.Home&pageregion=single1&rnd=1097616001120&has-player=unknown) is sold there isn't it their responsibilty to offer non censored versions since they wiped out many of the independent stores that once offered it?

And yes I know everything is available on the internet...but I still have a problem with this company imposing its idea of morality on the American Public. Why don't they follow Target's lead and ban sales of Tobacco products? I think that would do more to improve America's situation instead of refusing to sell anything by Eminem.

I still have a problem with this company imposing its idea of morality on the American Public. Why don't they follow Target's lead and ban sales of Tobacco products? I think that would do more to improve America's situation instead of refusing to sell anything by Eminem.
So... it's okay for Target to discriminate against tobacco products, but it's not okay for Walmart to discriminate against smut...:confused:

But when 1 out of 5 major label albums (http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/_/id/6558540/thekillers?pageid=rs.Home&pageregion=single1&rnd=1097616001120&has-player=unknown) is sold there isn't it their responsibilty to offer non censored versions since they wiped out many of the independent stores that once offered it?

And yes I know everything is available on the internet...but I still have a problem with this company imposing its idea of morality on the American Public. Why don't they follow Target's lead and ban sales of Tobacco products? I think that would do more to improve America's situation instead of refusing to sell anything by Eminem.
Apparently you don't understand how a consumer-driven market works. If the consumers want something, the stores either sell it or lose business to competitors. If Wal-Mart wants to lose that business, that's their right.

Would you prefer that the government step in and force Wal-Mart to sell the CDs you want?

Where is it posted that there will be cleaned up versions of movies, songs etc? All I see is a new rating system proposed and fast forward your DVD plus the usual 1st amendment stuff. Who is going to create these sanitized DVD's? I personally think it's a good idea and there would be a market for it but who will do it?

Apparently you don't understand how a consumer-driven market works. If the consumers want something, the stores either sell it or lose business to competitors. If Wal-Mart wants to lose that business, that's their right.
That would be true if the only thing Wal-Mart sold were music, the loss from edited music is probably insignificant. The majority of CDs at Wal-Mart are sold as the artist intended since it passed their decency test. So the few sales that are lost from the few editied CD's are more than made up for by the TVs, light blubs, detergent, toys, or ANYTHING else that they sell.

Would you prefer that the government step in and force Wal-Mart to sell the CDs you want?
I think she was pretty clear that that's exactly what she wants.

That would be true if the only thing Wal-Mart sold were music, the loss from edited music is probably insignificant. The majority of CDs at Wal-Mart are sold as the artist intended since it passed their decency test. So the few sales that are lost from the few editied CD's are more than made up for by the TVs, light blubs, detergent, toys, or ANYTHING else that they sell.
But the fact remains that Wal-Mart is a privately owned business and can sell or not sell whatever they want. If you want to live in a country where retailers have no choice in what they stock their shelves with because the government decides, there are plenty for you to choose from.

But when 1 out of 5 major label albums (http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/_/id/6558540/thekillers?pageid=rs.Home&pageregion=single1&rnd=1097616001120&has-player=unknown) is sold there isn't it their responsibilty to offer non censored versions since they wiped out many of the independent stores that once offered it?

And yes I know everything is available on the internet...but I still have a problem with this company imposing its idea of morality on the American Public. Why don't they follow Target's lead and ban sales of Tobacco products? I think that would do more to improve America's situation instead of refusing to sell anything by Eminem.
I don't smoke, but what makes the smoke and food Nazis think they have a right to impose their restrictions? The food Nazis are responsible for getting coconut oil removed from use as a cooking oil because it is high in saturated fat. It turns out that:
What Coconut Oil Does Not Do:

* Does not increase blood cholesterol level
* Does not promote platelet stickiness or blood clot formation
* Does not contribute to atherosclerosis or heart disease
* Does not contribute to weight problems

What Coconut Oil Does Do:

* Reduces risk of atherosclerosis and heart disease
* Reduces risk of cancer and other degenerative conditions
* Helps prevent bacterial, viral, and fungal (including yeast) infections
* Supports immune system function
* Helps control diabetes
* Provides an immediate source of energy
* Supports healthy metabolic function
* Improves digestion and nutrient absorption
* Supplies important nutrients necessary for good health
* Promotes weight loss
* Helps prevent osteoporosis
* Has a mild delicate flavor
* Is highly resistant to spoilage (long shelf life)
* Is heat resistant (the healthiest oil for cooking)
* Helps keep skin soft and smooth
* Helps prevent premature aging and wrinkling of the skin
* Helps protect against skin cancer and other blemishes
* Functions as a protective antioxidant

The food Nazis did us a good thing there didn't they.

The DVDs suggested would be the exact same version with extra encoding. The smart DVD player would be able to let you watch or skip the scenes according to rating. Where is the problem. They could do the same thing with CDs too if consumers wanted it and said so. The D stands for DIGITAL which means you can use a micro computer (already in the devices now) to make decisions about content and what you want to see or not see, hear or not hear.

Got it?

But the fact remains that Wal-Mart is a privately owned business and can sell or not sell whatever they want.
I understand that, but why not give the customer a choice? What is the harm there? You still have access to a clean version and the original is also there. Again, if they were just some small regional chain then this wouldn't be an issue, but they are using their size to influence the culture.

A few months ago they launched an online music store and any download is available for 88 cents...11 cents cheaper than the most popular store, iTunes. But they are only offering edited versions of explicit tracks. So Wal-Mart is able to offer downloads cheaper than anyone else because of their buying power, then gives the customers edited versions of explicit tracks. American Public decides to buy all their Hillary Duff songs from Walmart.com, where does that leave iTunes? They would either be forced to raise prices or end their business...that won't happen right now because Wal-Mart uses a proprietary format that is incompatible with the most popular MP3 player, the iPod. But you see where I'm going with this....why limit our choices?

Apparently you don't understand how a consumer-driven market works. If the consumers want something, the stores either sell it or lose business to competitors. If Wal-Mart wants to lose that business, that's their right.

Would you prefer that the government step in and force Wal-Mart to sell the CDs you want?
Wal*Mart actually responded to customer demand for the "smut removed" CDs as I remember it. There was a bunch of bally hoo at the time, but the Wal*Mart customers overwhelmingly wanted the edited CDs.

Where is it posted that there will be cleaned up versions of movies, songs etc? All I see is a new rating system proposed and fast forward your DVD plus the usual 1st amendment stuff. Who is going to create these sanitized DVD's? I personally think it's a good idea and there would be a market for it but who will do it?
Not "sanitized DVD's". Same DVD's with extra rating encoding on each scene and technology in the player to read and auto skip what you don't want to see, if anything.

But the fact remains that Wal-Mart is a privately owned business and can sell or not sell whatever they want. If you want to live in a country where retailers have no choice in what they stock their shelves with because the government decides, there are plenty for you to choose from.
East Berlin was like that when the wall was still up. You want a vacuum? Here it is. You want a canister vacuum. Nope. This is it. You want a bag less. Nope. This is what we have. This, only this, and you have to buy this one because I am not sure we will have any at all next week. Substitute a product; the story is the same.

A few months ago they launched an online music store and any download is available for 88 cents...11 cents cheaper than the most popular store, iTunes. But they are only offering edited versions of explicit tracks. So Wal-Mart is able to offer downloads cheaper than anyone else because of their buying power, then gives the customers edited versions of explicit tracks. American Public decides to buy all their Hillary Duff songs from Walmart.com, where does that leave iTunes? They would either be forced to raise prices or end their business...that won't happen right now because Wal-Mart uses a proprietary format that is incompatible with the most popular MP3 player, the iPod. But you see where I'm going with this....why limit our choices?
Now this is just plain stupid. If you want the explicit lyrics, you point your browser to itunes instead of Wal-Mart and pay the whopping 11 cents. Is it worth those 11 cents? To some people it is. To others it isn't. Wal-Mart is shooting themselves in the foot by using a "proprietary format" (let me guess...wma?) if the most popular player doesn't support that. Likewise, Apple is shooting themselves in the foot while trying to protect a non-existant monopoly by not supporting formats other than mp3. And "where does that leave iTunes? They would either be forced to raise prices or end their business" is just :bs: itunes can easily lower their price to match and take back the business. As the largest online music distributer, they have a lot of clout and have the same overhead and royalties to pay as Wal-Mart. They're just trying to get more profit, damn the loss in sales.

Wal*Mart actually responded to customer demand for the "smut removed" CDs as I remember it. There was a bunch of bally hoo at the time, but the Wal*Mart customers overwhelmingly wanted the edited CDs.

Oh darn. Beat me to it. :lol:

Now this is just plain stupid. If you want the explicit lyrics, you point your browser to itunes instead of Wal-Mart and pay the whopping 11 cents. Is it worth those 11 cents? To some people it is. To others it isn't.
Well my point was that an online music store probably won't be able to have a viable business only selling non edited explicit tracks.

Wal-Mart is shooting themselves in the foot by using a "proprietary format" (let me guess...wma?) if the most popular player doesn't support that. Likewise, Apple is shooting themselves in the foot while trying to protect a non-existant monopoly by not supporting formats other than mp3.
iTunes is also using a proprietary format (AAC) but that really doesn't help the argument that I'm trying to make :blushing:
As the largest online music distributer, they have a lot of clout and have the same overhead and royalties to pay as Wal-Mart.
Don't you think Wal-Mart has more leverage in terms of pricing compared to Apple? I admit I know very little of the music business but I find it hard to believe that Wal-Mart can't bargan a better price from Sony or Universal even though they are the number one brick and mortar music seller.

Well my point was that an online music store probably won't be able to have a viable business only selling non edited explicit tracks.


iTunes is also using a proprietary format (AAC) but that really doesn't help the argument that I'm trying to make :blushing:

Don't you think Wal-Mart has more leverage in terms of pricing compared to Apple? I admit I know very little of the music business but I find it hard to believe that Wal-Mart can't bargan a better price from Sony or Universal even though they are the number one brick and mortar music seller.
:truby20digsholedeeper:
:confused: what point were you trying to make? Whatever it was, you failed miserably.

Think of it this way, Truby - you're paying 11 cents less for a Wal-mrt download because you're getting less music, i.e not the full version.

:lmao:

I apologize for the things I said to everyone, and apologies especially to Vrai and to Pete.

I apologize for the things I said to everyone, and apologies especially to Vrai and to Pete.
:yay: Takes guts to do that.