Two bills at once. Maryland's House of Delegates is going for a full AW Ban and has re-introduced that ban offered in previous year in this year's HB948. So, now imagine the Senate passing AW ban light SB116 (see: http://www.mcrkba.org/GunBills.html ) through the Senate JPR, the House passing a full AW ban, then the Senate has only to amend ban lite to be ban heavy.

Who would have guessed?


http://mlis.state.md.us/2005rs/billfile/hb0948.htm
HOUSE BILL 948
File Code: Public Safety
Prior Year Introduction As: HB 1298/04 - JUD

Sponsored By:
Delegates Quinter, Anderson, Barkley, Barve, Benson, Bobo, Branch,
Bronrott, Burns, Cardin, Carter, Conroy, D. Davis, Doory, Dumais,
Feldman, Franchot, Frush, Gaines, Goldwater, Goodwin, Gordon,
Griffith, Gutierrez, Hammer, Harrison, Haynes, Healey, Heller, Hixson,
Holmes, Howard, Hubbard, Hurson, Jones, Kaiser, Kelley, King, Kirk,
Krysiak, Lee, Madaleno, Mandel, Marriott, McHale, McIntosh, Menes,
Moe, Montgomery, Morhaim, Murray, Nathan-Pulliam, Niemann, Oaks,
Paige, Parker, Patterson, Petzold, Ramirez, Rosenberg, Ross, Simmons,
Stern, Taylor, F. Turner, V. Turner, Vaughn, and Zirkin

Entitled:
Maryland Assault Weapons Ban of 2005

Synopsis:

Designating specified firearms as assault weapons; prohibiting with
specified exceptions a person from transporting an assault weapon into
the State or possessing, selling, offering to sell, transferring,
purchasing, or receiving an assault weapon; requiring the Handgun
Roster Board to compile and maintain a roster of prohibited assault
weapons; etc.

And in the Maryland Senate


Senate Hearing for SB116: February 16, 2005, 1:00 p.m.

Once again Frosh has scheduled a short notice hearing date. This time
he's reduced our notice to 6 days.

While this bill doesn't ban outright semi-auto rifles, it comes close
to a practical ban by making the risk of having them and being caught
up in some technical violation which gets you a 20 year jail term
possible.

This is hidious. If this passes and you want to keep your semi-auto shotgun, or semi-auto rifle, or semi-auto pistol (Glock, Sig, Beretta, etc.), you will have to leave the state. This is an out and out gun grab.

This is hidious. If this passes and you want to keep your semi-auto shotgun, or semi-auto rifle, or semi-auto pistol (Glock, Sig, Beretta, etc.), you will have to leave the state. This is an out and out gun grab.

:yeahthat: This is such a crock of you know what.

Since homeowners have been charged with assault (a crime of violence) from just pointing a gun at an intruder in Maryland, the primary use of this manditory minimum sentence is intimidation to force acceptance of a plea to avoid the risk of more jail time than given to Maryland murderers typically. This bill will render these guns as being useless to the law-abiding citizen. Given the threat of these draconian sentences, the only prudent self-defense firearms would be ones clearly not assault weapons such as revolvers or double barrel shotguns.

So once again lets take the guns away from the honest citizen so the criminals will be only ones with them. OVER MY DEAD BODY!!

They can pack this where the sun don't shine.

I'm going to take off to go to the hearing in Annapolis.

Guys, you'all need to WAKE UP!!! Electing that pinhead Ehrlich, and hoping that he's going to save your guns, is about as much wishful thinking as me waiting for Celine Dion to come and sweep me off my size 15 feet! You're quickly running out of fingers to stick into the leaks up there, and this is a debate you're going to lose, a little bit at a time. Everytime a new gun bill gets "defeated", portions of it get worked in elsewheres as a compromise, and you're to the point now where there's not much room left to bargain with. You've lost your private sales, forget about concealed carry, gun stores are about gone, you're stuck with background checks and waiting periods... that you get to pay for, many guns are already prohibited; you've got those inane locks laws, and now they're coming after AWs again... an issue you've already lost a lot of ground on.

Compare that to Florida:

1. Easy to get concealed carry permits.
2. Gunshows that are supported by the police and the media.
3. Personal sales with no interference.
4. No limits on weapons.
5. Free instant checks (and no checks if you have a CWP) and no waiting periods.
6. Lots of shooting ranges.
7. Legal to keep a loaded gun in your car.
8. Legal to shoot someone to protect your life, the lives of others, and property!
9. Lots of gun dealers.

I've got one gun dealer, who runs a shop about 4 miles from my house, who's a Class III dealer. You walk into his place and there's MP-5s, G-3s, M-16s, 1919A4s, Stens, M-76s, etc., everywhere. I've talked to several state and local cops while I'm in there, but they're customers buying stuff, not state enforcers there to hassle him. Once when we were at the range and ran short on .223, we gave a state trooper who was shooting with us some money to drive his cruiser over to the gun store to get us some more. Imagine that happening in Maryland.

The bottom line is that you'all can sit in Maryland and fight, and fight, and fight, but in the end you're going to lose - just like in California. Firearms laws were one of the biggest reasons I left Maryland, and unless you want to be standing in line outside of the barrack in Leonardtown to turn in your guns someday, you should bug out too.

I've always planned on moving to Florida for the weather. This is just another reason to go.

My wife is convinced these bills are not going to pass. If they do, it is decision time. Do we stay in Maryland or move? Where do we move to? This is not easy.

They have actually gone too far this time.... Good Luck 2a

My wife is convinced these bills are not going to pass. If they do, it is decision time. Do we stay in Maryland or move? Where do we move to? This is not easy.
So who do we write on this one 2A?
And secondly, if we write in voicing our opposition, are they gonna come and arrest me if it passes? :yikes:

My wife is convinced these bills are not going to pass.

That's the problem in MD. Many of these bills don't pass in toto, but bits and pieces of them get stuck into other bills as compromises, and Ehrlich isn't man enough to stop it.

We've got three HUGE gun shows in Jacksonville this March: The Southern Classic, North Florida Arms Collectors, and Sun Coast. If you can be down here by then... :yay: If not you'll have to wait all the way until... April for the next ones. :lmao: I love Florida!

I e-mailed Bill Oreilly.
It's a long-shot, but what the hey...
...maybe he'll shine some national media attention on these bills.

I like guns.

I e-mailed Bill Oreilly.
It's a long-shot, but what the hey...
...maybe he'll shine some national media attention on these bills.
Bill is a liberal when it comes to the Second Amendment. Remember, he is a New Yorker.

So who do we write on this one 2A?
And secondly, if we write in voicing our opposition, are they gonna come and arrest me if it passes? :yikes:
Contact these guys on the Judiciary Committee about the bill in the Maryland Senate:


Chairman Brian E. Frosh Democrat, District 16, Montgomery County (410) 841-3124 Brian_Frosh@senate.state.md.us
Vice Chairman Leo E. Green Democrat, District 23, Prince George's County (410) 841-3631 Leo_Green@senate.state.md.us
Senator Jennie M. Forehand Democrat, District 17, Montgomery County (410) 841-3134 Jennie_Forehand@senate.state.md.us
Senator Robert J. Garagiola Democrat, District 15, Montgomery County (410) 841-3169 Rob_Garagiola@senate.state.md.us
Senator John A. Giannetti, Jr. Democrat, District 21, Anne Arundel & Prince George's Counties (410) 841-3141 John_Giannetti@senate.state.md.us
Senator Larry E. Haines Republican, District 5, Baltimore County & Carroll County (410) 841-3683 larry_haines@senate.state.md.us
Senator Ralph M. Hughes Democrat, District 40, Baltimore City (410) 841-3656 Ralph_Hughes@senate.state.md.us
Senator Nancy Jacobs Republican, District 34, Cecil & Harford Counties (410) 841-3158 nancy_jacobs@senate.state.md.us
Senator Philip C. Jimeno Democrat, District 31, Anne Arundel County (410) 841-3658 mailphilip_jimeno@senate.state.md.us
Senator Alex X. Mooney Republican, District 3, Frederick & Washington Counties) (410) 841-3575 alex_mooney@senate.state.md.us
Senator Norman R. Stone, Jr. Democrat, District 6, Baltimore County (410) 841-3587 norman_stone@senate.state.md.us

The Republicans on the committee are generally against the bill, but it can't hurt to contact them if you have the time. Same message cut and paste into an email works. Just change the address.

And contact your state senator and your delegate in the Md. House. You can look them up here.
http://www.mdarchives.state.md.us/msa/mdmanual/07leg/html/gaco.html
For your delegate, you have to know your voting district. You can look that up here http://mdelect.net/electedofficials/ This will tell you the officials too and a bunch of other stuff.


If this passes and you have a firearm prohibited by it and you don't turn it in by some time, they will come get it or you or both. The Maryland State Police maintains a data base of every firearm that has ever been registered in the state. I think that this is against Federal law, but then every gun control law ever passed, federal, state, or local, violates the U.S. Constitution, so I don't think they care.

If this passes and you have a firearm prohibited by it and you don't turn it in by some time, they will come get it or you or both. The Maryland State Police maintains a data base of every firearm that has ever been registered in the state. I think that this is against Federal law, but then every gun control law ever passed, federal, state, or local, violates the U.S. Constitution, so I don't think they care.

So are you supposed to register your firearms when you move into the state if you already owned them?

So are you supposed to register your firearms when you move into the state if you already owned them?
If they are on the list, you will violate the law bringing them into the state. "transporting an assault weapon into the State" Same with the currently prohibited weapons in the state.

If they are on the list, you will violate the law bringing them into the state. "transporting an assault weapon into the State" Same with the currently prohibited weapons in the state.
:whistle:

:whistle:
:spank: :killingme

Vice Chairman Leo E. Green Democrat, District 23, Prince George's County (410) 841-3631 Leo_Green@senate.state.md.us
I know him! I went to HS with his daughter. Somehow, I don't think that would help in this :ohwell:

Hearing:

Date: Wednesday, February 16th, 2005

Time: 1:00 PM

Place: Senate Judicial Proceedings Hearing Room - Miller Senate Office Building

Allow sufficient time to pass through security.

Be there if you can. Contact them if you can't. Written is better but time is short, so email or call if you can't get letters out today.

When thinking about you guys going to make your stand at the State House, I don't know whether to recite Billy Crystal's line from "The Princess Bride", "Good luck storming the castle", or the opening of Tennyson's Light Brigade. I guess I'll go with the later as I know you'all are doomed....

Half a league, half a league,
Half a league onward,
All in the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.
"Forward, the Light Brigade!
"Charge for the guns!" he said:
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.

When thinking about you guys going to make your stand at the State House, I don't know whether to recite Billy Crystal's line from "The Princess Bride", "Good luck storming the castle", or the opening of Tennyson's Light Brigade. I guess I'll go with the later as I know you'all are doomed....
Last year, the bill was defeated by a turnout that put Annapolis on their heals. People were in the hallway. If people show up, these politicians cut and run.

Last year, the bill was defeated by a turnout that put Annapolis on their heals. People were in the hallway. If people show up, these politicians cut and run.So they're trying it again? And again? And again? Until they can get it passed? :confused: Maybe they should wait until no one is looking and convene around midnight and pass it. Maybe they should put it where it belongs. :flush:

So they're trying it again? And again? And again? Until they can get it passed? :confused: Maybe they should wait until no one is looking and convene around midnight and pass it. Maybe they should put it where it belongs. :flush:

:yeahthat:

It doesn't seem you impressed them very much.

:yeahthat:

It doesn't seem you impressed them very much.Planned on moving to Florida anyway. :biggrin:

Firearms laws were one of the biggest reasons I left Maryland,
This is honestly one of the most disturbing things I have ever read on here.

This is honestly one of the most disturbing things I have ever read on here.

You have my deepest sympathies. :ohwell:

So they're trying it again? And again? And again? Until they can get it passed? :confused: Maybe they should wait until no one is looking and convene around midnight and pass it.
Yep. And that is what they are doing. Frosh waited to the absolute last minute to announce the hearing and is not hearing it with other bills to try to sneak it out of committee.

This is honestly one of the most disturbing things I have ever read on here.
If these bills pass, I'll be out of here too.

You must be easily disturbed or already distrubed.

If these bills pass, I'll be out of here too.

You must be easily disturbed or already distrubed.
I wouldn't say disturbed...naive maybe? I just couldn't imagine leaving my home for this...but I really don't feel strongly one way or the other, maybe that's my "problem".

I wouldn't say disturbed...naive maybe? I just couldn't imagine leaving my home for this...but I really don't feel strongly one way or the other, maybe that's my "problem".

Ahhhh... well here's some background information that might make you feel less disturbed:

1. I'm not from Maryland, I'm from Pittsburgh. While I was in the Navy I went to many places, and the best place I've found to live is Jacksonville, FL. I lived in Maryland for 15 years, and found it to be a miserable place. The taxes are horrible, the schools were horrible, and the nuisance laws just kept getting worse.
2. I have three teenagers who either need jobs, or will needs jobs in a couple of years. Where I lived in Mechanicsville, the nearby entry-level job market was limited to fast food, Food Lion, McKays, or a Wentworth's nursery. The largest employer is the base, and most jobs there require experience that my kids didn't have. Upon moving to Florida, my 18-yr old daughter had no problem using the computer skills learned at Chopticon HS to get a job as an office assistant at a major company in Jacksonville and she's making over 28k a year at 19, with no state or local taxes, free heathcare, and rent on a 1-br apartment is about $400. Lots of good jobs + good salaries + no taxes + low cost of living = MOVE TO FLORIDA!
3. I like collecting firearms the way that anyone likes to collect anything, and I can't... I will not... tolerate a state government that condones, in fact endorses, the banning of my RIGHT to collect what I legally collect because some people in the state don't like it. Lots of folks in Maryland love to gripe about losing rights that were never rights, but keeping and bearing arms is a right. Would you live in a state that banned your free practice of religion? Your right to vote? Your right to free assembly? If not, then you know how I felt even though you may have never owned a firearm.

I wouldn't say disturbed...naive maybe? I just couldn't imagine leaving my home for this...but I really don't feel strongly one way or the other, maybe that's my "problem".
If you don't know your rights, you don't have any. If you are not willing to stand up for your rights, they (whoever they are) will take them away.

I lived in Maryland for 15 years, and found it to be a miserable place. The taxes are horrible, the schools were horrible, and the nuisance laws just kept getting worse.
You wanna get together and compare karma notes? Going by my recent "love fest", you should be getting quite a lot of red :lmao: :yay:

I lived in Maryland for 15 years, and found it to be a miserable place. The taxes are horrible, the schools were horrible, and the nuisance laws just kept getting worse.

I like Maryland as a beautiful place to live except ... the taxes are horrible, the schools are horrible, and the nuisance laws just keep getting worse.

You wanna get together and compare karma notes? Going by my recent "love fest", you should be getting quite a lot of red :lmao: :yay:

:confused: What love fest are you getting beat up at?

:confused: What love fest are you getting beat up at?
talking bad about bay books a week or so ago. Maybe they wouldn't have come after me if I had just done a blanket statement like yours :lmao:

But to keep somewhat on topic here, you ever been down to onpoint firearms in St. Petersburg? From their website they have a huge collection. I go there to look at pricing because compared to places here they are pretty reasonable.

I like Maryland as a beautiful place to live except ...

What make's Maryland beautiful? The lovely unnatural color of the Patuxent or Potomic Rivers? The beauty of the Fort Washington area? The vista view of DC as seen from just above the hood line of your car as you duck for cover?

In Mechanicsville I was 40 minutes from small and scenic Solomon's Island, 50 minutes from Calvert Cliffs state park (another nice spot), and 35 minutes or so from the beaches and museum at Pax River and our lone mall in Waldorf. Down here I'm...

35 Minutes from:

Jacksonville Beach
Neptune Beach
Ponte Vedra Beach
Five malls
Three shooting clubs
Professional Football, Baseball, and hockey arenas
Dozens of parks
Several fresh-water lakes
The Blue St. John's River (great for shrimping)
Lots of great eateries and shopping

50 minutes from:

St Augustine Beach
Several Outlet malls with Reebok, Seiko, Nike, etc, stores
Gainesville - Home of UF and the Gators
The TPC golf course
Three additional shooting clubs

And in a mere 90 minutes, about the time I would be arriving in the entertainment meccas of Rockville or Bowie, I'm driving past the Daytona International Speedway and on my way to the beach - by way of Hooters of Daytona of course. :yay:

Anyone who thinks that Maryland is a great place to live hasn't been around much.

... compared to places here they are pretty reasonable.

I'll check them out. I just picked up a used Sig P226 9MM in great shape with factory-installed night sites for the princely sum of $275 at the last North Florida Collector's Show. Walked in, showed my CWP, paid my cash, showed my receipt to the nice JSO officer at the door, and off I went. Sure beats paying $499 plus tax, $10, waiting 10 days, and all the other hassles back in MD!

My only beef is that AR-15 prices still haven't started down due to high initial costs for guns built during the AWB. They are still selling for about $900 down here. I'm thinking about buying 10 uppers and lowers and building guns for the next NFAC show and selling them for about $700 each. That'll make me about $200 on each gun, and I'll be underselling the guys wanting $900 by a good bit.

I'll check them out. I just picked up a used Sig P226 9MM in great shape with factory-installed night sites for the princely sum of $275 at the last North Florida Collector's Show.
I was looking at the same gun at the show here last year, but they wanted over $400 for used ones. One dealer had two of the navy seal editions, but sold before I even got to his table. Kinda disappointed. Galyans use to be the best place here, price wise, but Dick's sporting good bought them out and got rid of the gun section.

What make's Maryland beautiful? ....
Anyone who thinks that Maryland is a great place to live hasn't been around much.
Friends and family and we live a 10 minute walk from the Chesapeake make Maryland nice. Granted, I like the beaches in Florida. I prefer the Gulf to the Atlantic. I really like Hawaii and the beaches of Maui and Kauai, but they have crappy gun laws too. Of course I really liked the Mediterranean around Crete and the beaches of the Med from Gibraltar to Malaga in Spain were nice too. Switzerland is very beautiful as is Austria ans the Swiss have very liberal guns laws in most of the cantons. I do not prefer Italy except the norther region near Austria. I've been around. I've traveled to most of the northern hemisphere and all the states except Oregon and Alaska.

You were saying.

For those of you that think this does not effect you.


The bill defines long guns as assault weapons to include (Partial List): AK-47 IN ALL FORMS; AR 100 TYPE SEMI-AUTO; AR 180 TYPE SEMI-AUTO; BUSHMASTER SEMI-AUTO RIFLE; COLT AR-15, CAR-15, AND ALL IMITATIONS EXCEPT COLT AR-15 SPORTER H-BAR RIFLE; SKS WITH DETACHABLE MAGAZINE; SPRINGFIELD ARMORY BM-59, SAR-48, G3, SAR-3, M-21 SNIPER RIFLE, M1A, EXCLUDING THE M1 GARAND; Ruger mini-14 folding stock model (.223 caliber); any semi-automatic, centerfire rifle that can accept a detachable magazine and any of 1) pistol grip, thumbhole stock, folding or telescoping stock, granade launcher or flair launcher, flash suppressor, or forward pistol grip. [some commercial versions of SKS rifles]; any semi-automatic, centerfire rifle with a fixed magazine of more than 10 rounds; any semi-automatic rifle with a overall length less than 30 inches.

Friends and family and we live a 10 minute walk from the Chesapeake make Maryland nice. Granted, I like the beaches in Florida. I prefer the Gulf to the Atlantic. I really like Hawaii and the beaches of Maui and Kauai, but they have crappy gun laws too. Of course I really liked the Mediterranean around Crete and the beaches of the Med from Gibraltar to Malaga in Spain were nice too. Switzerland is very beautiful as is Austria ans the Swiss have very liberal guns laws in most of the cantons. I do not prefer Italy except the norther region near Austria. I've been around. I've traveled to most of the northern hemisphere and all the states except Oregon and Alaska.

You were saying.

Like I said... you haven't been around much. You've listed a lot of "great to visit but wouldn't want to live there" locales that aren't applicable to the discussion. Let's take away the vacation and deployment sites, and focus on the relocation ones.

Maryland suffers from high taxation, high government intrusion into personal lives, and much of the state, especially Southern Maryland, is horrible in regards to jobs. Southern Maryland has become a bedroom community for DC, which drives up costs of living while yielding little in the way of local employment. Yet I know many people who just love the area and think it's the ####z... I'll just never understand why.

For those of you that think this does not effect you.

I think the operable language there is "partial list." They'll be able to add anything they want.

First off, on the gun ban, if we can figure out how to keep psycho kids (the ones raised strictly within DSS constraints) for getting their hands on weapons, I figure we don't need a ban. The strongest weapon I own is my son's old assault-model BB gun, so you can tell how I feel about guns in the home. I don't trust my temper sometimes.

As far as Southern MD living is concerned, oh, I don't know. For myself and my wife (knowing that people react differently to things and have differing experiences), the area is just fine. We don't like the traffic, the taxes, or the cost of living. But we do like our home (small old and will be paid for before too much longer), and we do like our yard that backs up to a treeline.

I'm semi-retired because of her medical needs, but between the two of us we are living comfortably. I have no pension or ex-government type benefits, just making it on what I can make and on my wife's disability income.

My daily commute consists of walking from my bedroom to my office at the other end of the house.

I have a fireplace in my office and burn wood in it when the weather's cold (can't beat that - I love a wood fire), and when the weather's warm I can open the windows and let a fresh cool breeze waft through. In summer I do the outside chores early and in the afternoons I relax in an air-conditioned home. We live in an older, very quiet, established community a little way from 235, far enough to escape noise and traffic.

We don't go out much because of my wife's medical condition, but when the opportunity presents itself, most any road other than 235 is a pleasant drive through semi-country. I like Maryland blue crab, and occasionally we get some fresh when they're in season.

We don't often have hurricanes or even tornadoes, and we get only moderate amounts of snow and stuff. And I love watching snow fall and don't mind clearing it (have a professional quality snow blower). We have 4 discernible seasons here, all of which are just fine with us.

But as I say, I know experiences differ.

The strongest weapon I own is my son's old assault-model BB gun, so you can tell how I feel about guns in the home. I don't trust my temper sometimes.

I don't mean to cast dispersions on you specifically Railroad, but it's views and comments like this that show how self-centered many Americans have become. I frequently hear comments like "I have no stake in this because I just own hunting guns", or "I'm not a shooter so I don't have an opinion." This issue is much, much larger than that. The question is do you support a state legislature limiting your legal rights? Do they have the power to tell you who you can associate with? If you can vote (provided you're not a fellon)? If you can practice your religion?

Should white Americans have sat out the vote on giving voting rights to Black Americans, and let the anti-Black community win, just because they themselves weren't black? Should you ignore an effort to repeal the 5th Ammendment just because you're not on trial for anything? The issue is not whether or not someone should be able to own any particular type of gun, identified by an arbitrary title. It should be do we have the right to keep and bear arms, just as the 2nd Ammendment states? When we allow selective enforcement of, or selective encroachment on, our rights to meet the particular needs of a given lobby, we're really weakening all of our rights... it's just a matter of time till someone gets to rights that are important to you personally.

Like I said... you haven't been around much. You've listed a lot of "great to visit but wouldn't want to live there" locales that aren't applicable to the discussion. Let's take away the vacation and deployment sites, and focus on the relocation ones.

Maryland suffers from high taxation, high government intrusion into personal lives, and much of the state, especially Southern Maryland, is horrible in regards to jobs. Southern Maryland has become a bedroom community for DC, which drives up costs of living while yielding little in the way of local employment. Yet I know many people who just love the area and think it's the ####z... I'll just never understand why.
You were implying I hadn't been around. I was illustrating that I have. Relocation to any country is an option, but most European countries have terrible gun laws. Costa Rica sounds nice, but I have never been there. Certainly 35 (shall issue states) of the 48 states I have visited or lived in are candidates for relocation.

Should you ignore an effort to repeal the 5th Ammendment just because you're not on trial for anything? The issue is not whether or not someone should be able to own any particular type of gun, identified by an arbitrary title. It should be do we have the right to keep and bear arms, just as the 2nd Ammendment states? When we allow selective enforcement of, or selective encroachment on, our rights to meet the particular needs of a given lobby, we're really weakening all of our rights... it's just a matter of time till someone gets to rights that are important to you personally.
Here we agree.

I don't mean to cast dispersions on you specifically Railroad, but it's views and comments like this that show how self-centered many Americans have become.
Sorry, I should been more concise. I don't support the gun ban at all, but I also have concerns about people not being able (for fear of losing them) to discipline their kids to the point that they don't throw temper tantrums by grabbing a gun and opening fire on others.

See our society has woven quite a mess of a web here; I could go on for a long time pounding the podium about all of these things. But I'm not that kind of guy (not in the forums, anyway).

I goes back to the late 60s and early 70s when it became the right thing to blame anything or anyone except take personal responsibility for your actions. Bunch of psycho-babel-crap.

I goes back to the late 60s and early 70s when it became the right thing to blame anything or anyone except take personal responsibility for your actions. Bunch of psycho-babel-crap.
I concur. Too bad we can't go back and change a few things...

Hey 2A... do you remember the golden future promised by the banning of Saturday Night Specials back in the 1970s, and how that ban was going to put criminals out of business? :lmao:

Hey 2A... do you remember the golden future promised by the banning of Saturday Night Specials back in the 1970s, and how that ban was going to put criminals out of business? :lmao:
I know I do!

A little more clarification: I learned to shoot in the Navy. My favorite weapons were the M-14 and the .45 automatic. I truly enjoyed target shooting with either gun, (although I managed to only develop a bit better than "broadside of barn" marksmanship) but preferred the .45. I'd like to get back into shooting someday, when I have fewer commitments and can figure out a safe place to store the weapon.

I do indeed remember the day of the "Saturday night special" ban. Put the PPK (James Bond's gun) out of reach. It was a nice little pocket gun.

For storage, use a gun safe. Small electronic one in the bedroom works better than a gun lock and is faster to get into if the need arises. Floor standing model for long guns and hand guns not for home defense.

I'd like to get back into shooting someday, when I have fewer commitments and can figure out a safe place to store the weapon.

My Beretta 96 is kept safely loaded and stored in my gun rack. If there's a circumstance that I think I might need it during the night, it resides in the bookcase headboard that we have.

I had an M-1A back in the 1980s... stictly a wall hanger and I never fired it. I traded it for a Nazi Party Staff silver plated and engraved P-38 with ivory handles (which is in a safety deposit box in Pittsburgh.) I've been wanting to get another M-1A, but the AWB drove the prices too high and they've yet to start coming down.

I'm leaving from the Southern Maryland area tomorrow about 10 to go to the hearing. If anyone wants to go, first come, first served. PM me.

For those that might be interested, there were 3 people, Senator Robert J. Garagiola of Montgomery country and two paid lobbyists from the Brady bunch, that spoke in favor of the bill. There were well over 50 still remaining to testify against the bill at 4:45 PM since they waited to call it last in the hopes that the "gun nuts" would leave. I presented my written testimony and verbally said I was against the bill. I was even interviewed on television. The interview went for 10 minutes or so. I was told that it would be cut down to 90 seconds including the opposition and commentary. I told the producer not to sound bite me too badly. We'll see.

At the end of the testimony, it seemed that Senator Garagiola was more interested in our comments than he was in his own bill. Again, time will tell.

Anyway, if the committee acts as it should according to the testimony, the bill should be dead. Again, we'll see.

Next time, you folks that want to preserve your rights need to consider going too. If government is to be by the people and for the people, then the people have to participate and not just vote.

Anyway, if the committee acts as it should according to the testimony, the bill should be dead. Again, we'll see.

Next time, you folks that want to preserve your rights need to consider going too. If government is to be by the people and for the people, then the people have to participate and not just vote.Hopefully it's dead. Next time count me in.

...and anyone else who went, a fullhearted THANK YOU!

I couldn't make it.

...and anyone else who went, a fullhearted THANK YOU!

I couldn't make it.
:yeahthat: I hate deadlines.

:offtopic:

But we have had discussions of hand gun vs rifle vs shotgun and what round and pattern and stuff in here, so I posted this in the Outdoor Recreation forum in case you are really interested. Some of the results are really surprising. http://forums.somd.com/showthread.php?p=816865#post816865