The little dolls in all the stores called "BRATZ." When I was younger, a "brat" was about the most offensive thing my parents could call me. It made me feel HORRIBLE.

Then I go into Spencer's a few months ago and see pillows, little tight shirts, accessories, chairs, blankets- all pastel pink, with the word "B****" printed on it in cutesy-black-writing.

And the shirts that boast "It's all about ME."

What are we teaching kids today?? Parents, what do you think of this trend?

What are we teaching kids today?? Parents, what do you think of this trend?
What has happened to you??? Didn't you used to be some screaming liberal nutball???

"It's all about me" doesn't disturb me. "B****" is juvenile but I can get past it even though I don't care for profanity on clothing. The ones I don't like are the "Pimp" shirts. I saw one chickie the other day wearing a "Pimp Me" t-shirt - she might have been 13. What the hell is her mother thinking???

In general, I don't like anything that degrades women and turns them into sex objects :hollowsoul:. And I think it's a pisspoor message to send to our young girls.

In general, I don't like anything that degrades women and turns them into sex objects :hollowsoul:. And I think it's a pisspoor message to send to our young girls.
There is a model car series called Homies. They're lowered cars with large chrome wheels and come with little pimp and hooker action figures. Not a real good message to be sending to young boys either.

Those dolls are the strangest looking things. I got a few for my neice for Christmas and clothes too, but they have giant fricken heads that are too big for doll's body. :twitch: Strange

In general, I don't like anything that degrades women and turns them into sex objects :hollowsoul:.:roflmao:

There is a model car series called Homies. They're lowered cars with large chrome wheels and come with little pimp and hooker action figures. Not a real good message to be sending to young boys either.
Now this just isn't right....This is the aftermath from letting the pimp gangster women degrading crap rap play on the radio and be sold .

Any kind of descent human being knew that Rap was corrupting yesterdays youth, yet no one did anything...No one makes a stand anymore. :twitch:

Now look what we got homie da pimp and hooker dolls. Is this how GI Joe got replaced by Mac Daddy Pimp and Barbie got replaced by LaTeasya Tramp.

What we need to do is bring back some good old fashioned
Tar and Feathering to the type of Jack a$$ politicians that thought outlawing Rap would be unconstitutional and infringing on the freedom of speech.

Gov Brown of California spoke the truth. Quoted that the American government is so far corrupt that I as president he would not be able change anything. Short of a American revolution where the people regain control of there government, I don't see where anything else would not work.
This was his answer when asked if he was elected as president how would he change government policies after he said I can't.
It seems we don't want the truth :confused:

Now this just isn't right....This is the aftermath from letting the pimp gangster women degrading crap rap play on the radio and be sold .

Any kind of descent human being knew that Rap was corrupting yesterdays youth, yet no one did anything...No one makes a stand anymore. :twitch:

Now look what we got homie da pimp and hooker dolls. Is this how GI Joe get replaced by Mac Daddy Pimp and Barbie got replaced by LaTeasya Tramp.

What we need to do is bring back some good old fashioned
Tar and Feathering to the type of Jack a$$ politicians that thought outlawing Rap would be unconstitutional and infringing on the freedom of speech.

Gov Brown of California spoke the truth. Quoted that the American government is so far corrupt that anything short of a American revaluation where the people regain control of there government would not work.
This was his answer when asked if he was elected as president how would he change government policies after he said I can't.
It seems we don't want the truth :confused:
Wrongo! I too don't prefer rap music. You can't spell 'rap' without 'crap'. However, It is not rap music as a genre it is gangster rap and the like. Big difference.

Wrongo! I too don't prefer rap music. You can't spell 'rap' without 'crap'. However, It is not rap music as a genre it is gangster rap and the like. Big difference.
Did anyone say YOU G rap Rap crap..
Its all women degrading

I guess I won't be expressing my love for the Beastie Boys on this forum anytime soon :lol: I think it is interesting how in '86 they talked about women as sex objects and now, in 2005, they talk about respecting women. Maturity or just trying to get more female fans? :confused:

Did anyone say YOU G rap Rap crap..
Its all women degradingShoot yourself.

Y'all are talking about the decay of values in our society - you're seeing the results of satanic influences on our culture. It's very sad indeed and should be more than a little bit scary.

Y'all are talking about the decay of values in our society - you're seeing the results of satanic influences on our culture. It's very sad indeed and should be more than a little bit scary.It's a friggin' doll. :duh:

It's a friggin' doll. :duh:
You dress like them little dolls, don'tcha...:poorbaby:

Often, I want to post a reply, but find to do so - to share my opinion - would be lengthy and invite rebuttal. I don't care to do either. So, in effort to provide input to this thread, I'll try to make it short and just say that it is just how I feel.

I feel that these t-shirts are just another example of taking things too far and exploiting what was meant to separate our country from others in the name of freedom. Freedom of expression. Without limits came expression without morality. Without morality comes decline as a representation of expression and degredation and so forth. Although this freedom of expression does not advocate, per se, the lyrics, the writings, the graphics and so on -- it is allowing, in some form, an increased tolerance for the behavior it represents. Psychologically, whether you want to admit it or not, the more you are exposed to something, the more it becomes accepted behavior, thus creating a monster out of this freedom while we were "sleeping".

Unfortunately, it is within human nature to be greedy. To out do, stretch things to the limits and test the boundaries of every law put in place that was put there to protect us seems to be what is all around us anymore... By pushing those said limits, it appeals to the rebellious youths, puts $$ in the pockets of the industries that make products and labels and such that produce and support all things that push those limits... Then when it comes to having to make a statement in a judicial setting, who is going to complain? The lawyers aren't... The parents are mortified - the same parents who let their children walk around in the clothing yet now want to blame the clothing on, for example, a sexual assault on their daughter...

Rambling, yes. Broke my intentions of keeping it short.. yes..

What do I think of these t-shirts? (Freudian slip - I typed T-sh!ts at first). I think that you ought to think about what you're saying when you let a child/teen etc. walk out of the house with a statement across their chest.

Should it be that way? No. But should a child have B!tch on her chest? Absolutely not. JMHO.

You dress like them little dolls, don'tcha...:poorbaby:Of course I do.

:roflmao:

:yeahthat: X1000

What we need to do is bring back some good old fashioned Tar and Feathering to the type of Jack a$$ politicians that thought outlawing Rap would be unconstitutional and infringing on the freedom of speech.
What I thought was weird about the Homies cars was that I saw them in Wal-Mart. The same folks that won't sell explicit language CDs.

You guys are kidding, right? Outlawing a whole genre of music? Satanic influences?

Nothing has "happened" to me, I guess some of my opinions are viewed as "libby" (a term I love so much) by most people on here, but I have independant thoughts and don't agree with something just because "my party" says so. :)

Anyway some rappers may sound like they're promoting drugs, careless sex, whatever. Not all of them are. I did a paper (and a lot of research) on it in college, when all this "gangsta rap" was becoming popular (about 10 years ago) and people were making such a fuss over it. Some of the rappers are trying to say it's NOT a good thing, so others will listen and not have to go through that. Some do seem to be glorifying it, but not all of them are.
example: http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/jayz/meettheparents.html

You get "bad" influence in any music genre. Take even country music. How many country songs are about getting drunk?... Getting into fights?... Having affairs? Casual sex?

Take even country music. How many country songs are about getting drunk?... Getting into fights?... Having affairs? Casual sex?
"Third rate romance, low-rent rendevous..."

It's not rap music that's the problem - I like a rap/hip-hoppy style. It's some of the lyrics that these dirtbags write to accompany the music that's the problem.

It always amazes me that you can turn on BET and listen to some "leader of the black community" talking about how whites have a negative stereotype of blacks and how racist and bad it is, then the next thing up is some rap video protraying black men as ghetto scumbags and black women as sleazy whores.

I just don't get it.

BET ain't the problem! It's Womens lib! What a boat load of crap that was!

"Third rate romance, low-rent rendevous..."

It's not rap music that's the problem - I like a rap/hip-hoppy style. It's some of the lyrics that these dirtbags write to accompany the music that's the problem.

It always amazes me that you can turn on BET and listen to some "leader of the black community" talking about how whites have a negative stereotype of blacks and how racist and bad it is, then the next thing up is some rap video protraying black men as ghetto scumbags and black women as sleazy whores.

I just don't get it.
I totally know what you mean about someone saying they are sick of being portrayed in a certain way, then feeding right into it. I was just thinking, yeah really. Rappers should make songs about being successful business men (or women). LOL. But then again I guess some of them do write about that- they write about growing up in da hood and how now they all wear Prada and Gucci and Louis Vuitton.

I understand how it's the lyrics of the songs that upset most people, which is why I pointed out examples of specific things in other genres too, such as fighting and affairs, etc.

I was just thinking about grunge music, too. Remember grunge music? I listened to a ton of it (and still do!). A LOT of those songs were about drugs, being depressed, suicide, etc. (Yet as much of that music as I have in my cd cases, I never once tried any drugs OR tried to commit suicide.) Anyway I wonder why people didn't make such a big deal over that. Maybe they did and I just don't remember.

BET ain't the problem! It's Womens lib! What a boat load of crap that was!
I think a lot of women take that too far as well... and I think that's part of the reason for the shirts that say "B****".

I get these email forwards all the time from my friends (which I quickly delete), and it's all about how women have the "right" to be b*tchy, and have an attitude, and everyone else better just deal with it and if you don't like it then to hell with you, etc. etc. (But if a GUY has that attitude, he's automatically an a-hole) :duh:

Maybe that's part of what bothers me about the whole thing- since when did being a "b**ch" become something to be "proud" of!? why would someone WANT to wear that label?

Anyway I wonder why people didn't make such a big deal over that. Maybe they did and I just don't remember.
You just don't remember. Adults have been concerned with the music of teens for many generations. When I was growing up, my mother didn't want me to own a KISS album because she said it stood for Knights in Satan's Service. Don't forget the uproar over Ozzy's "Suicide Solution". And when Kurt Cobain killed himself someone did a study of how often he mentioned guns in his songs.
What it comes down to is the person listening. Most see music as entertainment, not a message on how to live or die. There are those others however, who have much deeper problems.
Back to the topic at hand - in our house Bratz dolls are called "Tarts". My daughter loves their "stylish" clothes. Luckily I'm the one with the money so she can't dress like them. And I'm careful just how much "attitude" her shirts relay.

http://www.essence.com/essence/inside/0,16109,,00.html

TAKE BACK THE MUSIC: DIRTY DANCING—In part two of the Take Back the Music series, ESSENCE goes behind the scenes to talk to the video girls, their male “costars” and the video directors. Who are the “vixens” that we see poppin’ it so hard in hip-hop videos? And how do these soft-porn mini-movies affect our kids? As pimp culture goes mainstream, are we getting paid or played?
ESSENCE will kick off its first Take Back the Music Week February 21st-February 25th, where readers can call and send letters and e-mails with their thoughts about how Black women are portrayed to the people who can make a change—programming executives at cable networks, radio stations and record companies. Also on February 25th, ESSENCE will cohost its first town-hall meeting

http://www.sohh.com/thewire/read.php?contentID=6778

Spelman women began their fight against negative Rap content in April 2004 when they protested Nelly's scheduled appearance on campus. At the time, the rapper was stirring up controversy for the X-rated images of his video "Tip-Drill." The clip featured Pimp Juice and friends with countless naked women dancing and kissing one another. The video also featured a controversial scene in which Nelly swiped a credit card through the crack of a woman's buttocks. Nelly canceled his appearance on Spelman's campus.

You just don't remember. Adults have been concerned with the music of teens for many generations. When I was growing up, my mother didn't want me to own a KISS album because she said it stood for Knights in Satan's Service. Don't forget the uproar over Ozzy's "Suicide Solution". And when Kurt Cobain killed himself someone did a study of how often he mentioned guns in his songs.
What it comes down to is the person listening. Most see music as entertainment, not a message on how to live or die. There are those others however, who have much deeper problems.
Back to the topic at hand - in our house Bratz dolls are called "Tarts". My daughter loves their "stylish" clothes. Luckily I'm the one with the money so she can't dress like them. And I'm careful just how much "attitude" her shirts relay.

Yeah I was in highschool at the time of grunge and couldn't have cared less what the news said about music I was listening to. The funny thing was my parents were the ones who got me into it, they listened to it, too.

I agree 100% that there's a big difference between people who listen to something because it's entertaining/interesting, and those who try to emulate what they hear and see. Now to figure out what makes some act on it and others do not... but I guess that's been a question for practically ever.
Anyway good for you for being careful what your children wear as well.

Elaine- that's a really interesting post/link (essense). I should have made a whole separate topic for gangsta rap, huh? :)

swiping a credit card through an ass crack? For some reason that just makes me laugh- not in a sexual way but in the potty humor way. I hope he did that as a joke and was not taking that in some serious way, LOL.

swiping a credit card through an ass crack? For some reason that just makes me laugh- not in a sexual way but in the potty humor way. I hope he did that as a joke and was not taking that in some serious way, LOL.

My guess would be that it was a metaphor for buying a piece, but that's just a guess.

http://www.sohh.com/thewire/read.php?contentID=6778

Spelman women began their fight against negative Rap content in April 2004 when they protested Nelly's scheduled appearance on campus. At the time, the rapper was stirring up controversy for the X-rated images of his video "Tip-Drill." The clip featured Pimp Juice and friends with countless naked women dancing and kissing one another. The video also featured a controversial scene in which Nelly swiped a credit card through the crack of a woman's buttocks. Nelly canceled his appearance on Spelman's campus.

Too bad they decided to protest while he was there for bone marrow drive. :twitch:

Here's what I think of when I imagine a recording studio for rap music....

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-03-04-chimp-attack_x.htm

Disclaimer* I think the Ying-Yang Twins and Bone Thugs in Harmony are kick azz.......

why would someone WANT to wear that label?
Birth control? :killingme

Birth control? :killingme

It's working! :cheesy:

I'm a self proclaimed b!tch and proud of it.

Too bad they decided to protest while he was there for bone marrow drive. :twitch:


Too bad he thought it was a good idea to entertain the attendees of a fund raiser with porn.

What has happened to you??? Didn't you used to be some screaming liberal nutball???

"It's all about me" doesn't disturb me. "B****" is juvenile but I can get past it even though I don't care for profanity on clothing. The ones I don't like are the "Pimp" shirts. I saw one chickie the other day wearing a "Pimp Me" t-shirt - she might have been 13. What the hell is her mother thinking???

In general, I don't like anything that degrades women and turns them into sex objects :hollowsoul:. And I think it's a pisspoor message to send to our young girls.


:yeahthat: We saw some teenage (13 or 14, maybe) girl in the grocery store WITH her mother. She was wearing a pair of sweat pants that said "ride this" on the ass of the pants! She was on a cell phone talking like a whore. It's not like she was trying to hide what she was saying either.
Some parents! :tantrum:

:yeahthat: We saw some teenage (13 or 14, maybe) girl in the grocery store WITH her mother. She was wearing a pair of sweat pants that said "ride this" on the ass of the pants! She was on a cell phone talking like a whore. It's not like she was trying to hide what she was saying either.
Some parents! :tantrum:
And you didn't approach the mother and say, "My son will pay $50 to have his way with your daughter; when's she available?"? :shrug:

:yeahthat: We saw some teenage (13 or 14, maybe) girl in the grocery store WITH her mother. She was wearing a pair of sweat pants that said "ride this" on the ass of the pants! She was on a cell phone talking like a whore. It's not like she was trying to hide what she was saying either.
Some parents! :tantrum:
that seriously just made me go EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWW!!!!!

And you didn't approach the mother and say, "My son will pay $50 to have his way with your daughter; when's she available?"? :shrug:
DAMN~! I wish I would have thought of that!:lol:

DAMN~! I wish I would have thought of that!:lol:
You're slippin' lady! :really:

It's all fun and games to the parents over this bullshzit clothing until they get a call from the police saying their daughter has been found with her legs bent back over her head and a bullet hole in her head (cell phone in hand) rotting in a bay somewhere.

I think these little whores need to be treated like a new inmate at Rykers Island for a night........ (while their parent's watch)

They'd be wearing WWJD shirts the next day.

They are all mighty proud to be biatchs until they are backed into an alley somewhere with 6 guys named Tyrone...........

BTW, I don't think Spencers Gift Shop is a suitable place to be buying your 13 year old daughter clothing..........

JMHO

BTW, I don't think Spencers Gift Shop is a suitable place to be buying your 13 year old daughter clothing..........

JMHO

Hehe, I am not sure who you are referring to, but I was not in there to buy clothing. I was out of town for work, went to the mall to kill some time after dinner. I do have a much younger sister though, and I wouldn't want to see her wearing that stuff, either.

You'd have a lot less $2 teen whores running around if parents were allowed to smack the sh!t outta them when they wore stuff like that. But nooooooooo ... that's "child abuse". :duh: If my kid ever comes home wearing that crap, folks will think she's got a pimp from how black and blue she'll be. She'll also 'recover' chained up in her room so she can't narc me out to some judge.

You'd have a lot less $2 teen whores running around if parents were allowed to smack the sh!t outta them when they wore stuff like that. But nooooooooo ... that's "child abuse". :duh: If my kid ever comes home wearing that crap, folks will think she's got a pimp from how black and blue she'll be. She'll also 'recover' chained up in her room so she can't narc me out to some judge.


Now CC you know the DQ would never do that. Nor would my diva. :huggy:





man, what color is the sky in my world? :twitch:

BTW, I don't think Spencers Gift Shop is a suitable place to be buying your 13 year old daughter clothing..........
Nor is Hot Topic, which is THE cool clothing store for the pre-teen set.

You'd have a lot less $2 teen whores running around if parents were allowed to smack the sh!t outta them when they wore stuff like that. But nooooooooo ... that's "child abuse". :duh: If my kid ever comes home wearing that crap, folks will think she's got a pimp from how black and blue she'll be. She'll also 'recover' chained up in her room so she can't narc me out to some judge.

WHOA i don't know about the kids who are wearing stuff like that, but I didn't have to be smacked as a kid to know not to do dumb sh1t.

WHOA i don't know about these kids, but I didn't have to be smacked as a kid to know not to do dumb sh1t.
Not all kids need to be beat; in many cases, it's their parents.

Not all kids need to be beat; in many cases, it's their parents.
agreed.

BTW i changed my text so it didn't come across as me referring to your kids.

All a parent has to do is NOT buy the dolls or the clothes. So what if everyone else has it, that is what being a parent is all about. They are supposed to set the rules not the kids.

My parents had one rule when I was growing up - "You live in my house, you live by my rules". This applied when I was 10 until I moved out at 21. Even later, when any of my siblings or I came to visit. If you brought a friend of the opposite sex with you they slept in a room separate from you. Because it was their home.

As for the clothing - don't the parents have a pair of scissors? Can't they just cut the clothing up, throw it away or my personal favorite - spill bleach on it when doing the laundry.:biggrin:

The little dolls in all the stores called "BRATZ." When I was younger, a "brat" was about the most offensive thing my parents could call me. It made me feel HORRIBLE.

Then I go into Spencer's a few months ago and see pillows, little tight shirts, accessories, chairs, blankets- all pastel pink, with the word "B****" printed on it in cutesy-black-writing.

And the shirts that boast "It's all about ME."

What are we teaching kids today?? Parents, what do you think of this trend?

i seen em tooo right next to the vibrators :twitch:

As for the clothing - don't the parents have a pair of scissors? Can't they just cut the clothing up, throw it away or my personal favorite - spill bleach on it when doing the laundry.:biggrin:
Better yet - make them throw it away. The girls would come home from some unsupervised shopping excursion (unsupervised by me, that is) with pants that were WAY too tight or some hooch shirt.

"You're not wearing that," sez I.
"WHAT??? But I bought it with my own money!!!"
"Tough noogs - throw it away."

They learned real quick not to buy things that were just going to go in the trash. :biggrin:

"Tough noogs "


:confused: I'm gonna have to figure where this might have come from.

Lenny- it comes from the phrase " tough noogies"

Better yet - make them throw it away. The girls would come home from some unsupervised shopping excursion (unsupervised by me, that is) with pants that were WAY too tight or some hooch shirt.

"You're not wearing that," sez I.
"WHAT??? But I bought it with my own money!!!"
"Tough noogs - throw it away."

They learned real quick not to buy things that were just going to go in the trash. :biggrin:

that's pretty awesome!! :biggrin:

The Bratz dolls don't bother me that much. Barbie herself isn't sportin' around in anything much better these days.

As for clothes...if I ever wore a shirt that said "pimp me" or had shorts on that said "ride me" I would have no teeth left in my mouth. I'm not sure what some parent's think now a days. Apparently they are to worried about being their teens friend instead of being a parent.

The little dolls in all the stores called "BRATZ." When I was younger, a "brat" was about the most offensive thing my parents could call me. It made me feel HORRIBLE.

Then I go into Spencer's a few months ago and see pillows, little tight shirts, accessories, chairs, blankets- all pastel pink, with the word "B****" printed on it in cutesy-black-writing.

And the shirts that boast "It's all about ME."

What are we teaching kids today?? Parents, what do you think of this trend?

My girlfriend has a shirt that says "Without me, it's just AWESO"