Does anybody know what that explosive noise was this afternoon in Lusby? The house seemed to shake. Hubby said he heard the same noise back at the base.

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:blushing: i had gas..
dayum refried beans :mad:

Your such a :dork: :lmao:

Uh no...

http://forums.somd.com/showthread.php?t=47292

Uh no...

http://forums.somd.com/showthread.php?t=47292
:killingme: Rose you didn't hear it? It shook my windows and I thought the bridge collapsed! :lmao:

:killingme: Rose you didn't hear it? It shook my windows and I thought the bridge collapsed! :lmao:

Really, no, I didn't hear it. But I had left the base and was in Hollywood and Wildewood. :shrug:

:killingme: Rose you didn't hear it? It shook my windows and I thought the bridge collapsed! :lmao:

U live under the bridge too? :confused:




:dork: :lmao:

U live under the bridge too? :confused:

:troll: :lmao:

:kiss:

U live under the bridge too? :confused:




:dork: :lmao:
No Jameo that is all your territory! :spank: :dork:
I didn't hear it either, but #1 daughter called all freaked out! :lmao:

From what I can tell of the noise it appeared to be a SONIC BOOM created by one of the aircraft on base flying by. Shook my house here at 235 and Hermanville Road.

I heard several, possibly FOUR of those explosions today after 4p.m. and I'm in lower St. Mary's
I heard the F-18's flying too, could it be a sonic boom? It made the ground shake.

I heard several, possibly FOUR of those explosions today after 4p.m. and I'm in lower St. Mary's
I heard the F-18's flying too, could it be a sonic boom? It made the ground shake.
Hey did you all read or check out the link that RoseRed posted, it is in the forum. It was confirmed sonic booms! :silly: http://forums.somd.com/showthread.php?t=47292

It was confirmed sonic booms!

Damn, I thought it was Bigfoot coming thru the woods. :yikes:

Damn, I thought it was Bigfoot coming thru the woods. :yikes:
ssshhh don't tell them what it really was! :lmao:

Supersonic runs over the Cheaspeake happen all of the time. 99% of the time they don't hit land. There are sonic boom detectors over the eastern shore and SOMD to monitor this sort of thing. Why the range controllers didn't stop after the first boom hit land is disturbing. I personally called to report to the range controllers that very loud sonic booms were hitting land after the second shook my ceiling tiles and got rebuffed. I was told that testing was completed. 15 minutes later I was nearly nocked out of my chair by the third.

I suspect that the person(s) responsible will be severely reprimanded.

Believe me, the base does not condone this disturbance of populated areas.

Thanks, PrepH4U...good info.

Last time I heard these booms, I called a local reporter and he mentioned something about ordinance testing on the water...
So much for safe noise ordinance rules passed by our handy county commissioners... :lmao:

its the sound of freedom, i love that sound...

Not. When i lived in Florida, the shuttle was still flying quite frequently. I was repeatedly shaken out of my bed (it was a twin :shrug:) when the shuttle would re-enter the atmosphere. You haven't heard a sonic boom till you've heard that.

No matter how many times I heard it, I just couldn't get used to it...especially when attempting to sleep one off. the Booms usually hit around 8am. Daggum...would shake your teeth and make your heart jump thru your chest.

Not. When i lived in Florida, the shuttle was still flying quite frequently. I was repeatedly shaken out of my bed (it was a twin :shrug:) when the shuttle would re-enter the atmosphere. You haven't heard a sonic boom till you've heard that.


HHHmmmmmmm....I grew up in Florida too but the loudest sonic boom I heard was a sonic boom on the Nimitz when they did an airshow for a Tiger cruise. A sonic boom done only about couple hundred yards from the ship.

Supersonic runs over the Cheaspeake happen all of the time. 99% of the time they don't hit land. There are sonic boom detectors over the eastern shore and SOMD to monitor this sort of thing. Why the range controllers didn't stop after the first boom hit land is disturbing. I personally called to report to the range controllers that very loud sonic booms were hitting land after the second shook my ceiling tiles and got rebuffed. I was told that testing was completed. 15 minutes later I was nearly nocked out of my chair by the third.

I suspect that the person(s) responsible will be severely reprimanded.

Believe me, the base does not condone this disturbance of populated areas.
Every boom over the bay will disturb some portion of the land surrounding it, there is no avoiding that. The range controllers, I am certain, were aware of the booms as you were probably one of the many calls they fielded reporting the obvious. :loser:

And who will be reprimanded, the test team that planned the event, those that authorized the profile, the aircrew (which is ultimately responsible for anything involving the airframe) or those that it falls upon to execute the test while under the strict observations of the range safety officer? Yeah range safety officers, you know, the ones that do the sound focusing and set the heading for the test and make sure the controller stays within the parameters.

I would not have minded so much if they had posted the upcoming noise on the radio, in the Tester and elsewhere. Remember, we are now living in a post 9-11 world, near a base, D.C. and a nuke plant. It scared the poop outta me.I can sure understand that. They really aren't supposed to do that, Morgie. I'm sure they'd have posted notice if it were a planned event.

When I was living in the 7th district, pretty much ON the Potomac, we would get the concussions from weapons testing being done a Dahlgren, usually during the day on a weekday. The first time I heard it, I was in bed after calling in sick. Windows were rattling - the whole 9 yards. It took a few hours before I realized what was going on.

I don't mind the noise, it's to be expected. Grandpa was a test pilot and the whole family grew acustomed to straightenig out the picture frames on the wall...

I suspect that the person(s) responsible will be severely reprimanded.




Too funny. Like they won't think an azz chewing is worth it to break the sound barrier. :lmao: Somebody is going to love that azz chewin'. :yay:

I can sure understand that. They really aren't supposed to do that, Morgie. I'm sure they'd have posted notice if it were a planned event.
Okay Railroad, what aren't they supposed to do on the range? It would be interesting to know what you believe is or isn't allowed versus what is actually authorized. I think most of you would be surprised how many supersonic events take place in the areas on any given day. The fact that this is one of the few times that many of you heard the booms attests to the range's ability to "usually" avoid impacting the local populace with this offensive noise.

Too funny. Like they won't think an azz chewing is worth it to break the sound barrier. :lmao: Somebody is going to love that azz chewin'. :yay:
:yay:

Okay Railroad, what aren't they supposed to do on the range? It would be interesting to know what you believe is or isn't allowed versus what is actually authorized. I think most of you would be surprised how many supersonic events take place in the areas on any given day. The fact that this is one of the few times that many of you heard the booms attests to the range's ability to "usually" avoid impacting the local populace with this offensive noise.
If they follow the flight plan, no boom here. If they don't then they're doing something they're not supposed to do. No need to get touchy about it; I certainly am not a know-it-all and I've been wrong plenty of times. And you're right, the range folks do an outstanding job. And I'm one of those that don't mind the noise.

If they follow the flight plan, no boom here.
Have you ever written a test plan?

HHHmmmmmmm....I grew up in Florida too but the loudest sonic boom I heard was a sonic boom on the Nimitz when they did an airshow for a Tiger cruise. A sonic boom done only about couple hundred yards from the ship.

What year were on the Nimitz Tigger. I was on her in 1986 and 87 with VF-84.

Have you ever written a test plan?
Nope, but I've reviewed my share of them.

Okay Railroad, what aren't they supposed to do on the range? It would be interesting to know what you believe is or isn't allowed versus what is actually authorized. I think most of you would be surprised how many supersonic events take place in the areas on any given day. The fact that this is one of the few times that many of you heard the booms attests to the range's ability to "usually" avoid impacting the local populace with this offensive noise.
I can understand the "free-hand" they are given in the test range, just like free maneuver in an Army Training area.. but if the accounts some are giving.. hearing the plane after the boom, I'd say they weren't in the test range at all.. I mean isn't the test Range on the other side of the Eastern Shore, and still a ways off-shore? Definetly too far to hear the engine noise of an F-18.

Nope, but I've reviewed my share of them.
NAVAIR Support Contractor
What kind of support do you provide?

One if the ranges is right over the bay, just off shore from Elms Beach.

The local radio stations(97.7 & 98.3) did mention about FCLP's going on as well as some low level filghts around Webster Field for some testing. You can't expect them to advise you everytime a plane takes off from the base.
<img src="http://www.quantonics.com/Quantonics%20Site%20GIFs/Hornet_Breaking_Sound_Barrier.jpg">

This one is better>http://www.erc.wisc.edu/~debussch/general/F14_shocks.html

Look closer, is he flipping off the photographer, or the LSO? :lmao:

The local radio stations(97.7 & 98.3) did mention about FCLP's going on as well as some low level filghts around Webster Field for some testing. You can't expect them to advise you everytime a plane takes off from the base.

Not to be a Smart A#@ or nothing Tomcat, but they don't break the sound barrier doing FCLP"s :confused:

I can understand the "free-hand" they are given in the test range, just like free maneuver in an Army Training area.. but if the accounts some are giving.. hearing the plane after the boom, I'd say they weren't in the test range at all.. I mean isn't the test Range on the other side of the Eastern Shore, and still a ways off-shore? Definetly too far to hear the engine noise of an F-18.
The range is a collection of restricted areas, the Inner Range is R-4005N/S/SW/W, R-4002, R-4006, R-4008, and R-6609. We also have a Test Track offshore over the Atlantic in W-386 and have access to the rest of W-386 also. The Inner Range is roughly 40NM X 60NM oriented NE to SW over the eastern shore, western shore of Maryland and the northern neck of Virginia available in some areas from the surface up to FL850.

What year were on the Nimitz Tigger. I was on her in 1986 and 87 with VF-84.

1991 to 1996 on VA-165 Boomers

I was in a P-3 that did a head to head pass, we a split S went inverted slammed on the brakes he flew right by and we went immediatly to guns.

:confused: Or maybe that was in a movie I saw, I can't remember.

Once again, this was a major screw up by the range, flight crew and test engineers.

Once they were notified of sonic booms hitting land they should have "Knocked It Off".

While I don't have a copy of Pax Rivers Environmental Impact Statement (EIS) in front of me, I'm fairly certain that it states that Sonic Booms will be mitigated by keeping them over the water. It probably also states that if Sonic Booms do hit land they will immediately stop testing.

I for one am dedicated to minimizing the NAS impact on the local citizens. :patriot:

If lose our airspace or the west coast is successful in taking over all flight testing then I'm out of a job.:cussing:

For more info visit:

http://www.navair.navy.mil/oep/noise.html

later... it time to go to the Tiki bar and freeze my butt off:otter:

Once again, this was a major screw up by the range, flight crew and test engineers.

Once they were notified of sonic booms hitting land they should have "Knocked It Off".
The did, when advised of the adverse impact and someone in authority made the decision. The test wasn't completed.
While I don't have a copy of Pax Rivers Environmental Impact Statement (EIS) in front of me, I'm fairly certain that it states that Sonic Booms will be mitigated by keeping them over the water. It probably also states that if Sonic Booms do hit land they will immediately stop testing.
:bs: The booms are being mitigated by attempting the project on an approved profile. You do realize that the term "mitigated" does not mean that there will be no sonic booms at all. We conduct many supersonic events each year and occassionally there is an impact to the local community. It is minimized as much as possible as it is important that we impact the inhabitants as little as possible. But this is RDT&E with supersonic aircraft, booms will happen. With that said, you can be assured that this profile is being re-evaluated and more than likely will not be used again.

If lose our airspace or the west coast is successful in taking over all flight testing then I'm out of a job.:cussing:
Can you explain how, because of a sonicboom within restricted airspace created and existing solely for test and evaluation, we would lose the airspace?

California is continually trying to shut down Pax River and Eglin.

http://www.dailynews.com/Stories/0,1413,200~20943~2794029,00.html


Commander Fleet Forces Command believes that NAS Oceana will need to be closed soon due to noise impact upon its neighbors.

http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories/story.cfm?story=84348&ran=3040


FAA is continually trying to whittle down our airspace to allow faster and easier transit of commercial aircraft in the NE corridor.

If we screw up too many times and annoy our neighbors or kill somebody on our range like Vieques, then we are toast.

I for one would like to stay here in SOMD versus Ridgecrest, CA.


:burning:

California is continually trying to shut down Pax River and Eglin.

http://www.dailynews.com/Stories/0,1413,200~20943~2794029,00.html


Commander Fleet Forces Command believes that NAS Oceana will need to be closed soon due to noise impact upon its neighbors.

http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories/story.cfm?story=84348&ran=3040


FAA is continually trying to whittle down our airspace to allow faster and easier transit of commercial aircraft in the NE corridor.

If we screw up too many times and annoy our neighbors or kill somebody on our range like Vieques, then we are toast.

I for one would like to stay here in SOMD versus Ridgecrest, CA.


:burning:
I am not one of those involved with the impact studies or involved with the testing. Just my opinion here as a local citizen - Those of you that are crying about the noise should move. This base is a test base, if the a/c tests can not be conducted successfully here without people whining, that will be the cause the of base testing facilities moving to Elgin not the rare occurance of sonic booms. You all just need to get a grip and quit making a mountain over a molehill, it is not like it happens regularly. :flowers:

California is continually trying to shut down Pax River and Eglin.

http://www.dailynews.com/Stories/0,1413,200~20943~2794029,00.html


Commander Fleet Forces Command believes that NAS Oceana will need to be closed soon due to noise impact upon its neighbors.

http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories/story.cfm?story=84348&ran=3040


FAA is continually trying to whittle down our airspace to allow faster and easier transit of commercial aircraft in the NE corridor.

If we screw up too many times and annoy our neighbors or kill somebody on our range like Vieques, then we are toast.

I for one would like to stay here in SOMD versus Ridgecrest, CA.


:burning:
Is this news or something? I pay attention at work too and have read many stories about our predicted demise that many fortell. I also know about the FAA, was at the meeting for the new route they wanted (notice, "wanted", meaning didn't get) and have known they have forever wanted our airspace. They want it all everywhere. But it won't happen. Even if all of the RDT&E moves, which is highly unlikely, the Test Pilot School, as well as other activities, will be here and they will need the airspace or are you just closing down the entire station?

You need to get a grip and understand that it was just four booms (this time, there will be more). I’ve heard rumor of some minor property damage and I’m sure someone’s hens won’t be laying eggs, but no one was killed and no one was hurt. At least we aren't lobbing bombs into trailer parks or shooting schools. Did they shut down either of those activities that have done that? Nope, they're still running.

Some :loser: Puerto Ricans complianed about the bombing range, at Viegues island, after a civillian was killed in the area. This person was not suposed to be there at the time. So they finally got what they wished for, the Navy stopped using Vieques. So the United States Navy said we no longer need Roosevelt Roads. And it was closed. Wiping Ceiba, Puerto Rico off the map.

Had some good times on detachments to Rosey Roads myself. :otter:

http://www.rightnation.us/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t73320.html

Have you ever heard of the NO vote in T&E.

It was exercised many times but the range controller decided to continue anyway.


Hmmm.... I wonder who the range controller that day. You work in that area, do you know who was controller that day.

:biteme:

Have you ever heard of the NO vote in T&E.

It was exercised many times but the range controller decided to continue anyway.


Hmmm.... I wonder who the range controller that day. You work in that area, do you know who was controller that day.

:biteme:
I know exactly what the "No-Vote" is for. You say that it was exercised? :bs: :liar: Yeah, I know exactly who was controlling, who the safety officers were, and they will all attest that there was not a “no-vote” given. Back it up, mouth.

Ken,

Do you remember what your reply was when I notified you of this EIS infraction?

You do not have permission to allow sonic booms over populated areas. What don't you get? I warned you that it was happening and you lied to me and continued your test.

:dead:


:banghead:

You all just need to get a grip and quit making a mountain over a molehill.
I agree. I for one get all giddy anytime there is a high volume of flights going on. To me, it's just the coolest thing EVER. :patriot:

Ken,

Do you remember what your reply was when I notified you of this EIS infraction?

You do not have permission to allow sonic booms over populated areas. What don't you get? I warned you that it was happening and you lied to me and continued your test.

:dead:


:banghead:
There was no infraction by the test team, everything was performed as briefed and, even though I do not know who you are, there was never a no-vote issued by anyone including you. Your assessment is wrong regarding the sonic booms, they do happen regularly and this flight was never supersonic over land so therefore was not over a populated area.

I think you two have gone too far already in a public forum. This should be dicussed in a PM at least :duel: :boxing:

You are already getting close to saying things that just should not be said HERE?

I agree. I for one get all giddy anytime there is a high volume of flights going on. To me, it's just the coolest thing EVER. :patriot:
Exactly! :yay: :patriot: It sounds like saltydog is a little irked that someone must have shot him down (so to speak). I do know that he is not showing a certain form of professionalism by bringing out base business into a public arena like this. I find it "look at me" I am important! :loser:

Used to live on the end of a runway. This sh!t never bothered me so I really didn't think twice about it.:shrug:

I think you two have gone too far already in a public forum. This should be dicussed in a PM at least :duel: :boxing:

You are already getting close to saying things that just should not be said HERE?


You are right, I'll let FAA, EPA, NAS Police, Command Council and JAG make their determinations. :shutup:

Ken,

Do you remember what your reply was when I notified you of this EIS infraction?

You do not have permission to allow sonic booms over populated areas. What don't you get? I warned you that it was happening and you lied to me and continued your test.

:dead:


:banghead:
Just for you salty.....

I agree. I for one get all giddy anytime there is a high volume of flights going on. To me, it's just the coolest thing EVER. :patriot:


It is cool as long as you are not in the line of fire! :wink:

Exactly! :yay: :patriot: It sounds like saltydog is a little irked that someone must have shot him down (so to speak). I do know that he is not showing a certain form of professionalism by bringing out base business into a public arena like this. I find it "look at me" I am important! :loser:

That's an appropriate response, but when the airfield closes and 5000 jobs leave Pax River, who are you going to blame? This self-important A-hole, or the persons responsible for disturbing the peace in two counties.
:tantrum

That's an appropriate response, but when the airfield closes and 5000 jobs leave Pax River, who are you going to blame? This self-important A-hole, or the persons responsible for disturbing the peace in two counties.
:tantrumOh good grief. :rolleyes: It was a sonic boom, it's not like someone dropped a Daisy Cutter on your house. :rolleyes: :drama:

Just for you salty.....Give him a double shot PreP! One of my fondest childhood memories was fishing down there with my dad on a hot summer day. Planes were flying over all day. We were having blast watching them and then he broke the sound barrier and I almost fell in the water. It was one of the coolest things I've ever witnessed and my WWII vet dad raised his beer up to the pilot. :patriot:

That's an appropriate response, but when the airfield closes and 5000 jobs leave Pax River, who are you going to blame? This self-important A-hole, or the persons responsible for disturbing the peace in two counties.
:tantrum
Oh the sky is falling the sky is falling! :duel: I would blame the BRAC team and not an occurance of low flying a/c or sonic booms that are going through testing which are the lively hood of the base.

They have broke the sound barrier around here before, and it has not become a major public complaint. Someone posted a tread here saying they heard a "Noise" and just wondered what is was. And now that they know. They are pobably saying, "COOL" "AWSOME" "I WISH I SAW IT". They are not talking about calling their congressman or nothing. Just wondering what it might have been. "somdfan" just wanted to know if anyone else may have heard it and was wondering what it was. As far as whether the airplane was over land or not is not the issue(I doubt it was over land). It's not like they did a low level 200' off the ground and blew all the windows out in Wildewood. It was a "BOOM" off in the distance, like thunder, yes it will make the windows rattle a little, just like thunder, but nobody was hurt and there was no reported damage.

RELAX SALTY

They have broke the sound barrier around here before, and it has not become a major public complaint. Someone posted a tread here saying they heard a "Noise" and just wondered what is was. And now that they know. They are pobably saying, "COOL" "AWSOME" "I WISH I SAW IT". They are not talking about calling their congressman or nothing. Just wondering what it might have been. "somdfan" just wanted to know if anyone else may have heard it and was wondering what it was. As far as whether the airplane was over land or not is not the issue(I doubt it was over land). It's not like they did a low level 200' off the ground and blew all the windows out in Wildewood. It was a "BOOM" off in the distance, like thunder, yes it will make the windows rattle a little, just like thunder, but nobody was hurt and there was no reported damage.

RELAX SALTY
exactly! :high5:

Just for you salty.....

All I know is it scared me, being so long since I heard one. Not a problem now that I know what it was, but I looked out a window for some kind of cloud thinking it was a crash.

exactly! :high5:


:yeahthat:

A tomcat has a double "BOOM". Boom Boom.

They have broke the sound barrier around here before, and it has not become a major public complaint. Someone posted a tread here saying they heard a "Noise" and just wondered what is was. And now that they know. They are pobably saying, "COOL" "AWSOME" "I WISH I SAW IT". They are not talking about calling their congressman or nothing. Just wondering what it might have been. "somdfan" just wanted to know if anyone else may have heard it and was wondering what it was. As far as whether the airplane was over land or not is not the issue(I doubt it was over land). It's not like they did a low level 200' off the ground and blew all the windows out in Wildewood. It was a "BOOM" off in the distance, like thunder, yes it will make the windows rattle a little, just like thunder, but nobody was hurt and there was no reported damage.

RELAX SALTY


Yes, there was reported damage and that's why NAS Police, EPA and FAA are involved, broken pictures, cracked foundations etc. I personally don't believe it could have broken foundations, but it did move the ceiling tiles in my building.

No, I will not RELAX!!! Anyone who threatens the livelyhood of myself and my coworkers, I will critisize publically, privately and professionally. Whomever authorized the continuation of this flight was NOT legally authorized to do so. Plain and simple.

The law explicitly prohibits Sonic Booms over populated areas. Anyone who purposefully does so is breaking Federal Law.

I'm not trying to fry anyone here, but someone needs to step up and take responsibility for their bad judgement.

:stooges:

A tomcat has a double "BOOM". Boom Boom.
Thanks a lot....now morgan is going to expect a double :love: :smoochy: next time

The law explicitly prohibits Sonic Booms over populated areas. Anyone who purposefully does so is breaking Federal Law.
Cite?

Nothing like a good "boom" while on a carrier deck(think Top Gun)

]Relax Salty !! No one was hurt!!

Yes, there was reported damage and that's why NAS Police, EPA and FAA are involved, broken pictures, cracked foundations etc. I personally don't believe it could have broken foundations, but it did move the ceiling tiles in my building.

No, I will not RELAX!!! Anyone who threatens the livelyhood of myself and my coworkers, I will critisize publically, privately and professionally. Whomever authorized the continuation of this flight was NOT legally authorized to do so. Plain and simple.

The law explicitly prohibits Sonic Booms over populated areas. Anyone who purposefully does so is breaking Federal Law.

I'm not trying to fry anyone here, but someone needs to step up and take responsibility for their bad judgement.

:stooges:
Oh you know what? I am not as nice as the people just telling you to relax. You just need to STFU! Oh welcome to the forums! :lmao:
(see bored Mommy I was kind also)!

"that's why NAS Police, EPA and FAA are involved"

Did someone call(you salty)? EPA? Did the sonic boom somehow hurt the bay. PLEASE
now the rock fish are complaining.

"that's why NAS Police, EPA and FAA are involved"

Did someone call(you salty)? EPA? Did the sonic boom somehow hurt the bay. PLEASE
now the rock fish are complaining.
:lmao:
I heard the National Guard was called out to quell the rioting by the blue crabs!

Cite?

http://straylight.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode49/usc_sec_49_00044715----000-.html

NWS3june-8. NAS Patuxent River operations approved by
environmental impact study
by Naval Air Warfare Center Aircraft Division Public Affairs
PATUXENT RIVER, Md. (NWS) -- The Patuxent River, Md.,
complex is the first Navy flight test range to officially
gain approval of an environmental impact study (EIS) on its
comprehensive operations.
The record of decision (ROD), which was published in the
Federal Register May 27, closes a more than two-year process
of environmental review on the potential impacts of flights
and related ground operations.
"We undertook this environmental study because we strive
to be good environmental stewards," said Capt. Paul E.
Roberts, Patuxent River Naval Air Station commanding
officer. "Having this study in place will also save a
tremendous amount of time and money because the EIS covers
so much of our work, both current and potential."
The EIS identified the maximum number of flight hours
Patuxent River can conduct without impacting the environment
-- up to 24,400 flight hours per year. "However," said
Roberts, "this does not mean that Patuxent River will be
increasing its flight hours. The ceiling is thousands of
hours fewer than we flew in the 1980s."
The decision puts the complex on solid environmental
footing and positions it for the future.
"A record of decision for this new operations level gives
us the flexibility we'll need to remain a viable place to
test aircraft," said Timothy S. Smith, executive director,
NAS.
The EIS covers flight hours and related operations under
particular parameters. Aviation programs and activities that
fall under this EIS will save more than two years and at
least $200,000 each, the amount of time and funding needed
to undertake an independent environmental impact statement.
Some programs and activities, such as new operations, will
still need separate environmental documentation to meet the
requirements of the National Environmental Policy Act and
other environmental regulations.
Although environmental analyses conducted for the document
showed no significant impact on the environment from flight
increases, NAS will still respond to concerns brought to
light during EIS public meetings and hearings.
"The process we undertook for the EIS opened a fantastic
dialogue with our neighbors," Roberts said. "We plan to
continue that dialogue and implement procedures to mitigate
those areas in which the community has expressed a concern.
That's why we wrote an implementation plan and made that
plan part of the actual ROD."
Highlights of this plan include increasing aviator
awareness of community concerns, installing sonic boom
sensors at points throughout the Chesapeake Test Range and
improving the noise tracking and response system.
In addition, the plan calls for altering unmanned
aerial vehicle routes and changing the use of the outdoor
test facility on the Patuxent River. The plan also calls for
improving community coordination and notification.
-USN-


Supreme court decision:

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=406&invol=797


CNO directive:

http://neds.daps.dla.mil/Directives/5090/twenty.pdf :lmao:

I wonder if one would get a bigger headache from the loud sonic boom, or from reading this thread.....I feel a poll coming on! :jet:

Get Real!!

"that's why NAS Police, EPA and FAA are involved"

Did someone call(you salty)? EPA? Did the sonic boom somehow hurt the bay. PLEASE
now the rock fish are complaining.

No, you blithering idiot. I did not call the EPA, but there was nearly 1,000 complaints about the incident. If you don't believe me call the Sheriffs of St. Mary's and Calvert, the Maryland State police and NAS Police.

I'd really like to keep my job.

The Sound of Freedom crew here doesn't seem to give a %$*. You have a God given right to do whatever you want.

God help us all!!!

blithering tried three online Dictionaries. no such word.

But I Did Find These:

Nothing is as terrible to see as ignorance in action. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Behind every argument is someone's ignorance. Robert Benchley

A person is never happy except at the price of some ignorance. Anatole France

Good Night Salty!! :notworthy

http://straylight.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode49/usc_sec_49_00044715----000-.html

NWS3june-8. NAS Patuxent River operations approved by
environmental impact study
by Naval Air Warfare Center Aircraft Division Public Affairs
PATUXENT RIVER, Md. (NWS) -- The Patuxent River, Md.,
complex is the first Navy flight test range to officially
gain approval of an environmental impact study (EIS) on its
comprehensive operations.
The record of decision (ROD), which was published in the
Federal Register May 27, closes a more than two-year process
of environmental review on the potential impacts of flights
and related ground operations.
"We undertook this environmental study because we strive
to be good environmental stewards," said Capt. Paul E.
Roberts, Patuxent River Naval Air Station commanding
officer. "Having this study in place will also save a
tremendous amount of time and money because the EIS covers
so much of our work, both current and potential."
The EIS identified the maximum number of flight hours
Patuxent River can conduct without impacting the environment
-- up to 24,400 flight hours per year. "However," said
Roberts, "this does not mean that Patuxent River will be
increasing its flight hours. The ceiling is thousands of
hours fewer than we flew in the 1980s."
The decision puts the complex on solid environmental
footing and positions it for the future.
"A record of decision for this new operations level gives
us the flexibility we'll need to remain a viable place to
test aircraft," said Timothy S. Smith, executive director,
NAS.
The EIS covers flight hours and related operations under
particular parameters. Aviation programs and activities that
fall under this EIS will save more than two years and at
least $200,000 each, the amount of time and funding needed
to undertake an independent environmental impact statement.
Some programs and activities, such as new operations, will
still need separate environmental documentation to meet the
requirements of the National Environmental Policy Act and
other environmental regulations.
Although environmental analyses conducted for the document
showed no significant impact on the environment from flight
increases, NAS will still respond to concerns brought to
light during EIS public meetings and hearings.
"The process we undertook for the EIS opened a fantastic
dialogue with our neighbors," Roberts said. "We plan to
continue that dialogue and implement procedures to mitigate
those areas in which the community has expressed a concern.
That's why we wrote an implementation plan and made that
plan part of the actual ROD."
Highlights of this plan include increasing aviator
awareness of community concerns, installing sonic boom
sensors at points throughout the Chesapeake Test Range and
improving the noise tracking and response system.
In addition, the plan calls for altering unmanned
aerial vehicle routes and changing the use of the outdoor
test facility on the Patuxent River. The plan also calls for
improving community coordination and notification.
-USN-


Supreme court decision:

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=406&invol=797


CNO directive:

http://neds.daps.dla.mil/Directives/5090/twenty.pdf :lmao:
What is the point you are trying to make? I see we have an EIS, no dispute here. I see the Navy has a program requiring EIS, no dispute here. I see a Supreme Court decision reversing a lower court decision that was attaching liability to sonic booms as damage caused by what had been deemed as trespassing.

You do understand, and I think most on here realize, that it is the Navy's practice to avoid sonic booms that impact the public to the maximum extent practicable, but where does a law prohibit it as you claim?

blithering tried three online Dictionaries. no such word.

But I Did Find These:

Nothing is as terrible to see as ignorance in action. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Behind every argument is someone's ignorance. Robert Benchley

A person is never happy except at the price of some ignorance. Anatole France

Good Night Salty!! :notworthy

Email me directly and lets compare experience in Supersonic Flight Test, F-14 Flight Test, F/A-18 Flight Test, Stores Separation, Range Operations and Enviormental Impact Statements. We'll let the forum decide who is ignorant!!!!
:loser:

I have worked on the Tomcat, have alot of Hornet time/avionics. No need to post my resume here. :shutup:

I'm amazed at how impassioned this discussion became. I wish I had never said, "they're not supposed to do that." For my part in fueling the flames of this discussion, I'm truly sorry. The work being done at PAX is of very high importance to our country and to folks who live around here. The "Sound of Freedom" gang includes me. This was IMHO a minor incident and our discussions of it seem to be magnifying it - and I'm truly sorry if I came down on the wrong side here.

Morning Ken:huggy:. That was one point exactly, it's been soooo long since I heard one of these that it scared the poop outta me. I didn't run to call the base or police, I did look out the window and called a girlfriend. I also had a friend in the tower that afternoon that I PM'd and he said they were booms. Now if it happens again I will still jump out of my skin and look out the window but know what it was.
Morning morganj614. We don't conduct many profiles that result in the sonic booms impacting the western shore often. It has been years since a planned test resulted in one. There is always the occassional slip by other users of the areas that sometimes generate a boom and we work to minimize them also.

The range is an excellent partner with our neighbors, our safety practices and policies are some of the best I have been associated with in the nearly 30 years I have been doing this type of work. This specific profile was planned, briefed and blessed by the senior safety personnel at the range and many others of high stature that approved the test plan and at no time was there a danger to the local populace because of what we were doing. Even though it was approved this profile is undergoing extensive scrutiny and will probably be scrapped or significantly modified to achieve less of a chance for the sonic booms being felt.

I offer this to all, there will be more sonic booms in the future. Hopefully only those out on their boats will feel or hear them as that is what we try our best to do, direct the sound focus either up or down the bay away from the populace. But if it is a lovely day there is alway the chance that someone will be out there going over Mach 1.

I wonder if one would get a bigger headache from the loud sonic boom, or from reading this thread.....I feel a poll coming on! :jet:
Explosive Noise Heard L... 04-16-2005 11:03 AM I bet you feel a pole

Aww, thanks for thinking about me this beautiful Saturday morning. :huggy:

http://www.sciam.com/askexpert_question.cfm?articleID=00049B79-93F1-1CD1-B4A8809EC588EEDF :confused:

http://www.sciam.com/askexpert_question.cfm?articleID=00049B79-93F1-1CD1-B4A8809EC588EEDF :confused:
Yep, that is why they happen, but has anyone found a law that says they are illegal for military operations within restricted airspace? :tap:

blithering tried three online Dictionaries. no such word.

Blithering is an alteration of Blathering (meaning - to talk foolishly at length) at least accornig to http://m-w.com/ :biggrin:

I offer this to all, there will be more sonic booms in the future. Hopefully only those out on their boats will feel or hear them as that is what we try our best to do, direct the sound focus either up or down the bay away from the populace.
:tantrum That's not fair if only people on their boats get to hear them. :tantrum

I'm calling in a complaint. Hrmph :slam: :drama:

Yep, that is why they happen, but has anyone found a law that says they are illegal for military operations within restricted airspace? :tap:
I don't think most people are as anal as Salty to even look! :killingme
Most people that live around a military base should come to expect it whether announced in advance or not. JMO

They have broke the sound barrier around here before, and it has not become a major public complaint. Someone posted a tread here saying they heard a "Noise" and just wondered what is was. And now that they know. They are pobably saying, "COOL" "AWSOME" "I WISH I SAW IT". They are not talking about calling their congressman or nothing. Just wondering what it might have been. "somdfan" just wanted to know if anyone else may have heard it and was wondering what it was. As far as whether the airplane was over land or not is not the issue(I doubt it was over land). It's not like they did a low level 200' off the ground and blew all the windows out in Wildewood. It was a "BOOM" off in the distance, like thunder, yes it will make the windows rattle a little, just like thunder, but nobody was hurt and there was no reported damage.

RELAX SALTY

Now that I know what the explosive noise was, if/when I hear it in the future, it won't be so shocking.

C'mon people, lighten up!

:tantrum That's not fair if only people on their boats get to hear them. :tantrum

I'm calling in a complaint. Hrmph :slam: :drama:
Don't you get the booms of Dahlgren already? :biggrin:

Don't you get the booms of Dahlgren already? :biggrin:
Actually, yes I do, but you'd be my best friend if you had the pull to send a few fighters over to do some sonic booms right over my house. :flowers: :lol: LOVE IT LOVE IT LOOOOOOOVE IT. :patriot:

Speaking of Dahlgren when we had our earthquake here in Maryland, I just thought it was Dahlgren. :shrug: :lol:

What is the point you are trying to make? I see we have an EIS, no dispute here. I see the Navy has a program requiring EIS, no dispute here. I see a Supreme Court decision reversing a lower court decision that was attaching liability to sonic booms as damage caused by what had been deemed as trespassing.

You do understand, and I think most on here realize, that it is the Navy's practice to avoid sonic booms that impact the public to the maximum extent practicable, but where does a law prohibit it as you claim?


During flight test unforseen circumstances will occur. If everything happened according to the test plan, we wouldn't need Range controllers. The aircraft could take off and perform their test events and land.

Read your PD, the Range Operations Manual and the EIS. It is YOUR responsiblty to enforce them.

The supersonic corridor is specifically designed to keep the majority of the sonic boom over water. Unfortunately for you, the atmospherics weren't in your favor that day. The majority of the boom hit a 10 mile strech of land. Car alarms, house alarms and frightened citizens all deluged the 911 system. What if there was a real police or fire emergency in the county? It would be difficult to reach 911 with all of the calls from citizens and alarm companies.

If you were waiting for the "Powers that be" to make a call, then its way too late. Who were you waiting to call, ADM Massenburg or the CNO himself? As the Range controller on this flight it was YOUR responsiblity to make sure this didn't happen. You had numerous phone calls after the first boom and you choose to continue anyway. That action was reckless and negligent.

This cavalier attitude that you think you have permission to allow sonic booms over land leads me to question ability to make decisions in other issues, specifically Safety of Flight. There's plenty of issues to raise here but if everyone has the attitude that "it was an approved test plan" or "it was an approved profile"' then this is going to be the tip of the iceberg with safety problems at the range.

Admit that you screwed up and I'll leave it at that.



:moon:

I don't think most people are as anal as Salty to even look! :killingme
Most people that live around a military base should come to expect it whether announced in advance or not. JMO


Hey Hemorrhoid,

Within my postition description is a statement about enforcing environmental laws on the Air Station, along with other things like EEO and OSH etc. I get paid a lot of money to be anal about infractions against policy and law.

Once you grow up and get a position of responsibility maybe you'll understand. Until that time you know where to put the PrepH. :whip:

I have worked on the Tomcat, have alot of Hornet time/avionics. No need to post my resume here. :shutup:

OK, so you're an avionics tech for Dyncorp who works at Strike (VX-23). Tell me how many test plans have you written or reviewed. How many EIS or FONSI 's have you authored or reviewed. If you need to look up what a FONSI is then you've just disqualified yourself to comment about Environmental Impacts!


:boxing:

Hey Hemorrhoid,

Within my postition description is a statement about enforcing environmental laws on the Air Station, along with other things like EEO and OSH etc. I get paid a lot of money to be anal about infractions against policy and law.

Once you grow up and get a position of responsibility maybe you'll understand. Until that time you know where to put the PrepH. :whip:

Oh I am sorry I didn't know I was dealing with such an important person! :notworthy I hope when I grow up I can hopefully find a job half as important as yours! Hey maybe I could start my own company... naw that would never happen. But now maybe you should worry about who on the base will read this Monday, that is a little more important than you. Better start puckering honey! :moon:

Maybe Dems tried to grill another steak :shrug:

Oh I am sorry I didn't know I was dealing with such an important person! :notworthy I hope when I grow up I can hopefully find a job half as important as yours! Hey maybe I could start my own company... naw that would never happen. But now maybe you should worry about who on the base will read this Monday, that is a little more important than you. Better start puckering honey! :moon:

Hey roid,

I'd be worried if I was the one responsible for the sonic booms instead of someone who tried to stop them.

Took a look at your previous posts...

I was most amused at this one:

This is the way we wash our clothes
Wash our clothes, wash our clothes
This is the way we wash our clothes
So early Monday morning

This is the way we iron our clothes
Iron our clothes, iron our clothes
This is the way we iron our clothes
So early Tuesday morning

This is the way we mend our clothes
Mend our clothes, mend our clothes
This is the way we mend our clothes
So early Wednesday morning

This is the way we sweep the floor
Sweep the floor, sweep the floor
This is the way we sweep the floor
So early Thursday morning

This is the way we scrub the floor
Scrub the floor, scrub the floor
This is the way we scrub the floor
So early Friday morning

This is the way we bake our bread
Bake our bread, bake our bread
This is the way we bake our bread
So early Saturday morning

This is the way we go to church
Go to church, go to church
This is the way we go to church
So early Sunday morning

Got any more words of wisdom?

Please don't post any more pictures of your ugly dogs in halloween costumes. I almost got sick! :killingme

All I know is that it scares the crap out of my dogs every thime it booms. Then I spent 10 minutes fishing them out from under the bed! :killingme

During flight test unforseen circumstances will occur. If everything happened according to the test plan, we wouldn't need Range controllers. The aircraft could take off and perform their test events and land.

Read your PD, the Range Operations Manual and the EIS. It is YOUR responsiblty to enforce them.

The supersonic corridor is specifically designed to keep the majority of the sonic boom over water. Unfortunately for you, the atmospherics weren't in your favor that day. The majority of the boom hit a 10 mile strech of land. Car alarms, house alarms and frightened citizens all deluged the 911 system. What if there was a real police or fire emergency in the county? It would be difficult to reach 911 with all of the calls from citizens and alarm companies.

If you were waiting for the "Powers that be" to make a call, then its way too late. Who were you waiting to call, ADM Massenburg or the CNO himself? As the Range controller on this flight it was YOUR responsiblity to make sure this didn't happen. You had numerous phone calls after the first boom and you choose to continue anyway. That action was reckless and negligent.

This cavalier attitude that you think you have permission to allow sonic booms over land leads me to question ability to make decisions in other issues, specifically Safety of Flight. There's plenty of issues to raise here but if everyone has the attitude that "it was an approved test plan" or "it was an approved profile"' then this is going to be the tip of the iceberg with safety problems at the range.

Admit that you screwed up and I'll leave it at that.



:moon:

I would think that anyone in a responsible position would know that test plans should not be discussed on a public forum.

I would think that anyone in a responsible position would know that test plans should not be discussed on a public forum.
EXACTLY!

I would think that anyone in a responsible position would know that test plans should not be discussed on a public forum.Unless they were a whiney douche on a mssg board.

I would think that anyone in a responsible position would know that test plans should not be discussed on a public forum.


Unclassified test plans are a matter of public record. The instruction which gives guidance on how to create a test plan is a matter of public record. The fact that there was a test plan for this event is obvious. Can't do a flight test without one.

Tell me Eliane, exactly what FOUO, or classified information was I divulging. All of SOMD was notified on this test by the sonic boom. Did I perhaps divulge the type of airplane or test event it was trying to accomplish. I don't think so.

I do take offense with the previous statements that sonic booms will happen over land. That is not the intent of the base as I understand it.

If you want the numbers to report me to security, NAS Police, NCIS or command council please contact me directly. I'll happily give my name, position and phone number.

But I will have a LOT to say about the persons responsible for this negligent action.


Just remember it's never the crime that gets you in trouble, but the coverup.

:blahblah: :deadhorse

In my Dan Akroyd voice.."Salty, you ignorant slut"..I think ignorant says it all. There is no cover-up, just your inane ranting here. As I have asked at least 2 times before, why are you acting so defensive and combative here? Test Range, sonic boom, shiat happens. You should think twice about what was said here by you for public record. Please, type in your name, postion and all info and expose yourself just like you called Ken King out..Stop hiding behind skirts.. :duh:
:diva: :notworthy :getdown: :patriot: :thewave:

My my, you posted as many smilies as Tigg does :killingme :killingme I am going to go enjoy the rest of the day and watch #2 son fly remote control. I should grab my camera..Hehehehe
Good on ya, my friend! See if he can make that thing make a sonic boom ! (J/K)!!!!!!

In my Dan Akroyd voice.."Salty, you ignorant slut"..I think ignorant says it all. There is no cover-up, just your inane ranting here. As I have asked at least 2 times before, why are you acting so defensive and combative here? Test Range, sonic boom, shiat happens. You should think twice about what was said here by you for public record. Please, type in your name, postion and all info and expose yourself just like you called Ken King out..Stop hiding behind skirts.. :duh:


Inane rantings! Is that like a blithering idiot?

Hmm, morgan614, you go first. Do you perhaps live in calvert county with a first name of Kimberly. I'm probably wrong but it would be fun to debate a few issues.

:howdy:

Inane rantings! Is that like a blithering idiot?

Hmm, morgan614, you go first. Do you perhaps live in calvert county with a first name of Kimberly. I'm probably wrong but it would be fun to debate a few issues.

:howdy:

You are getting carried away. If morgan614 wanted everyone to know who she is, that should be up to her to expose herself. Not you. There must be a rule on this somewhere. :moon:

In my Dan Akroyd voice.."Salty, you ignorant slut"..I think ignorant says it all. There is no cover-up, just your inane ranting here. As I have asked at least 2 times before, why are you acting so defensive and combative here? Test Range, sonic boom, shiat happens. You should think twice about what was said here by you for public record. Please, type in your name, postion and all info and expose yourself just like you called Ken King out..Stop hiding behind skirts.. :duh:
:killingme :high5:
:snacks:

You, my dear, are the one that called out Ken King on this, you are the one that called folks names, you are the one making accusations, Not I. You are the one who seems to have a bone to pick. I know lots of people on here IRL and they know I am not a Kimberly nor live in Calvert. You offered to tell your name and position so we could use it but now you have chickened out. :loser:


Ok Becky, sorry I called you Kimberly...

If you want the numbers to report me to security, NAS Police, NCIS or command council please contact me directly. I'll happily give my name, position and phone number.



Oh, like you're somebody. :rolleyes:

Press Release Number: E200504151 15-Apr-05

Flight test results in sonic booms Thursday
An F/A-18 Hornet aircraft flying a test flight Thursday afternoon generated several sonic booms that could be heard locally. The particular test event, which involved improving the capabilities of the aircraft for pilots in the fleet, required supersonic flight. The aircraft was operating within the Patuxent River restricted airspace and taking precautions to minimize the effect of the sonic booms over populated areas.

NAS Patuxent River will continue to take measures to lessen the impact on the community of testing and training activities.
For more information, call 1-866-819-9028.

Oh, like you're somebody. :rolleyes:

Nope, I'm absolutely nobody who wants to keep his job. Ken King and his cavalier attitude is making it extraordinaryly easy to close us down. I'd like to know how he thinks that he has the abilility to jeapordize 5000 jobs by his inactions?

Thanks Ken. My problem with this other person is all the finger pointing and name calling he is doing, even to the point of starting an accusing poll. He seems to be a hostile individual for reasons unknown. Hopefully the reasons for his words and actions will be brought to light. I am curious as to why he feels the way he states. :patriot:
I think the boom caused him to doody himself. :lol:

Thanks Ken. My problem with this other person is all the finger pointing and name calling he is doing, even to the point of starting an accusing poll. He seems to be a hostile individual for reasons unknown. Hopefully the reasons for his words and actions will be brought to light. I am curious as to why he feels the way he states. :patriot:
What is more likely to bring a negative impact? A few sonic booms or a person continually saying things were done wrong when they weren't.

I'd like to know how he thinks that he has the abilility to jeapordize 5000 jobs by his inactions?

I'd like to know how he has the abililty to do that, too. :lmao:

Thanks Ken. My problem with this other person is all the finger pointing and name calling he is doing, even to the point of starting an accusing poll. He seems to be a hostile individual for reasons unknown. Hopefully the reasons for his words and actions will be brought to light. I am curious as to why he feels the way he states. :patriot:

I personally called Ken after the second sonic boom. He informed me that he had an approved flight profile and that I should mind my own business. He then stated that the flight was finished. If he told me that he was planning on continuing then I would have had the "Powers that Be" stop him, or the base police arrest him for disorderly conduct. Thats why I'm pissed...

I would have had the "Powers that Be" stop him, or the base police arrest him for disorderly conduct.
I thought you were a nobody. :confused:

I'm not the sharpest tool in the drawer, but I try not to advertise it.

I thought you were a nobody. :confused:

I may be a nobody but I know when someone is breaking the law that the police have the responsibility for arresting them....

I personally called Ken after the second sonic boom. He informed me that he had an approved flight profile and that I should mind my own business. He then stated that the flight was finished. If he told me that he was planning on continuing then I would have had the "Powers that Be" stop him, or the base police arrest him for disorderly conduct. Thats why I'm pissed...
Okay, you are full of sh!t Bob Ruddy. You called up like many others about how the boom scared you; the only difference was that you were the only caller sniveling. BTW this was after the third boom. At the point of your call I told you the aircraft had returned to base and that we had been on an approved profile. You never expressly said that you were issuing a no vote (you know, a requirement so that those involved clearly know that they need to resolve the issue before continuing) nor did I feel it was necessary to advise you of the continuation of the test as you had no need to know.

Up until now I had made an effort to keep your name out of this even though I knew who you were. But you keep pushing so I'll push back with the knowledge that I have already been cleared of any wrong doing by my immediate supervisor. We'll see what the ROD Head has to say about your words here in this thread tomorrow.

I won't be happy till I'm - 1,000,000. Come on you communists, keep on adding on...

:patriot:

Just remember it's never the crime that gets you in trouble, but the coverup.

Just what side are you fighting for buddy?

Okay, you are full of sh!t Bob Ruddy. You called up like many others about how the boom scared you; the only difference was that you were the only caller sniveling. BTW this was after the third boom. At the point of your call I told you the aircraft had returned to base and that we had been on an approved profile. You never expressly said that you were issuing a no vote (you know, a requirement so that those involved clearly know that they need to resolve the issue before continuing) nor did I feel it was necessary to advise you of the continuation of the test as you had no need to know.

Up until now I had made an effort to keep your name out of this even though I knew who you were. But you keep pushing so I'll push back with the knowledge that I have already been cleared of any wrong doing by my immediate supervisor. We'll see what the ROD Head has to say about your words here in this thread tomorrow.


You win the Cupie doll!!!

I had 3 boats and six people within the hazard area, please tell me how I had no need to know about their safety?

I called after the second boom, I have 5 witnesses. YOU LIED TO ME!!! You said the project was completed.

If your division head won't reprimand you, then I will in public.

I will in public.
Let us know how that goes. :yay:

:yikes: Hey salty click here>http://www.beblogging.com/news/facezie/281_Psychiatric_Help_-_1.php :killingme :howdy:

And how are people in a boat more in jeopardy from a sonic boom then people near a glass window? Harder for them to change their panties???:howdy: I was TEN and on the water when I heard a sonic boom....I don't remember losing any bodily functions. :killingme

I won't be happy till I'm - 1,000,000. Come on you communists, keep on adding on...

:patriot:
whaaaa :baby: :bawl: :bawl:
saltydog
I called after the second boom, I have 5 witnesses. YOU LIED TO ME!!! You said the project was completed.

If your division head won't reprimand you, then I will in public.

:blahblah: :blahblah:
Not a very smart move there buddy, I don't think those 5,000 jobs that you are trying to save are going to come to your rescue. Wanna bet they let you hang out to dry! :killingme But hey thanks for the laughs this weekend! :killingme

whaaaa :baby: :bawl: :bawl:


:blahblah: :blahblah:
Not a very smart move there buddy, I don't think those 5,000 jobs that you are trying to save are going to come to your rescue. Wanna bet they let you hang out to dry! :killingme But hey thanks for the laughs this weekend! :killingme

You're welcome for the laughs.

Good luck on your career at the 7/11. bob

:howdy:

Okay, you are full of sh!t Bob Ruddy.

:yikes: Say it ain't so! No freakin' wonder! :lmao: :roflmao:

It all makes sense now.

Okay, you are full of sh!t Bob Ruddy. You called up like many others about how the boom scared you; the only difference was that you were the only caller sniveling. BTW this was after the third boom. At the point of your call I told you the aircraft had returned to base and that we had been on an approved profile. You never expressly said that you were issuing a no vote (you know, a requirement so that those involved clearly know that they need to resolve the issue before continuing) nor did I feel it was necessary to advise you of the continuation of the test as you had no need to know.

Up until now I had made an effort to keep your name out of this even though I knew who you were. But you keep pushing so I'll push back with the knowledge that I have already been cleared of any wrong doing by my immediate supervisor. We'll see what the ROD Head has to say about your words here in this thread tomorrow.

You don't want to go there but:

I issued my no vote when I informed you that extemely loud sonic booms were hitting land. You LIED to me and told me that the test was completed. If you think I don't have a need to know then you are sadly mistaken.

I would have went up the chain if you had any character and told me the truth. YOU DO NOT HAVE AUTHORITY TO ALLOW SONIC BOOMS OVER POPULATED AREAS!!!!!!

Salty, I have to tell you - I don't think this is the place to be hashing out a NAVAIR related issue. If there's a problem, you should do what normal people do and take it up with superiors at work, not here on a public forum. If you were my employee and pulled something like this, I'd have your ass.

Salty, I have to tell you - I don't think this is the place to be hashing out a NAVAIR related issue. If there's a problem, you should do what normal people do and take it up with superiors at work, not here on a public forum. If you were my employee and pulled something like this, I'd have your ass.


When someone posts to the public that sonic booms are to be expected and approved by the NAS, then I will go out my way to prove them wrong. Whomever they are!!!!

Right back at you, if you were my employee and you lied or covered up an environmental infraction, I'd have your ass.

Let's not forget that environmental infractions, sexual harassment and security violations are the three to things that can get a blue badge fired.

I will NOT apoligize for doing my job. This infraction was not requred to get the test finished. It should have been postponed until there was the right atmospherics.

I should lay a lot of disrespect at your post, but I won't. Please tell me how you are qualified to judge me?

I should lay a lot of disrespect at your post, but I won't. Please tell me how you are qualified to judge me?

:shocking:

When someone posts to the public that sonic booms are to be expected and approved by the NAS, then I will go out my way to prove them wrong. Whomever they are!!!!


I think they approved of it...

http://pao.navair.navy.mil/press_releases/index.cfm?fuseaction=press_release_view&Press_release_id=3166&site_id=1

I think they approved of it...

http://pao.navair.navy.mil/press_releases/index.cfm?fuseaction=press_release_view&Press_release_id=3166&site_id=1Shhhhh!

:popcorn:

I think they approved of it...

http://pao.navair.navy.mil/press_releases/index.cfm?fuseaction=press_release_view&Press_release_id=3166&site_id=1


I was wrong!!! This flight did have permission to allow sonic booms over land. I humblily apologize for the previous posts.. Hold on to fine china people because your in for a hell of a ride.

Ken come see me on Monday morning and I'll offer you an apology!


bob

Ken come see me on Monday morning and I'll offer you an apology!Yeah, Ken - go see him Monday morning.

:popcorn:

Hold on to fine china people because your in for a hell of a ride.SMIBs don't have fine china. Bring on the boom boom!

:alkies: I must say..."cheers" to Bob for apologizing in the forum and then offer an in person apology to Ken. Oh..and next time there is a big "boom"...raise a flag...not a fist :patriot:

This whole thread is a hoax. I have no idea what KK does IRL and it's the first I've heard of this salty mpd. There is no way that a responsible government employee or contractor with a high clearance would participate in a public discussion like this. Say what you want about public knowledge but when the "discussion" drops to the name calling level any tidbit of information can be thrown around that shouldn't be. If this were real, both of these loose cannons would have been called to the carpet before page two started. Loose lips sink ships.

Prep? Are you really Habib?
dam morg you finally figured me out!
What flavor slurpee would you like? :killingme

This whole thread is a hoax. I have no idea what KK does IRL and it's the first I've heard of this salty mpd. There is no way that a responsible government employee or contractor with a high clearance would participate in a public discussion like this. Say what you want about public knowledge but when the "discussion" drops to the name calling level any tidbit of information can be thrown around that shouldn't be. If this were real, both of these loose cannons would have been called to the carpet before page two started. Loose lips sink ships.


Wow, guess you're gonna have to fess up and tell Willie that you're really a dancer at the Hangar Club, Ken, but you did stay at a Holiday Inn Express the other night.

dam morg you finally figured me out!
What flavor slurpee would you like? :killingme
At least it's not "do ya want fries with that?" :howdy:

Diet Coke please since there is no Pepsi.. :killingme
huh??? :confused:

I was wrong!!! This flight did have permission to allow sonic booms over land. I humblily apologize for the previous posts.. Hold on to fine china people because your in for a hell of a ride.

Ken come see me on Monday morning and I'll offer you an apology!


bob
I'm too busy today to come down there, several others out today. You are welcome to come up here. You will find me in the control room.

I'm too busy today to come down there, several others out today. You are welcome to come up here. You will find me in the control room.

Make it a weekend trip to the lake. :yay::yay:

Make it a weekend trip to the lake. :yay::yay:
:nono: Apologies are accepted as given.

In my Dan Akroyd voice.."Salty, you ignorant slut"..I think ignorant says it all. There is no cover-up, just your inane ranting here. As I have asked at least 2 times before, why are you acting so defensive and combative here? Test Range, sonic boom, shiat happens. You should think twice about what was said here by you for public record. Please, type in your name, postion and all info and expose yourself just like you called Ken King out..Stop hiding behind skirts.. :duh:
Dan Akroyd?? How about Gilda Radner Maybe?? Or am I really losing my mind/memory??

You are getting carried away. If morgan614 wanted everyone to know who she is, that should be up to her to expose herself. Not you. There must be a rule on this somewhere. :moon:
'splain to me again, HOW can we get her to expose herself??

You're welcome for the laughs.

Good luck on your career at the 7/11. bob
PLEASE change your name.. I don't want to suffer any backlash from this..

"Did you hear what Bob said?"

"Do you know Bob?"

"You live with that guy BOB??"

Hey Triggerfish,

I was out on Nimitz with CVW9, VS-33 Screwbirds at the same time. I was an AT and worked the deck as Checker/Shooter for the two cruises and work-ups.

Rob


1991 to 1996 on VA-165 Boomers

2-3 martinis should do it.
:cheapdate
:cheers: :martini: :drunk: :otter: :smoochy:

You win the Cupie doll!!!

I had 3 boats and six people within the hazard area, please tell me how I had no need to know about their safety?

I called after the second boom, I have 5 witnesses. YOU LIED TO ME!!! You said the project was completed.

If your division head won't reprimand you, then I will in public.

Wait.... I thought you were at work and the "ceiling tiles moved." Unless you have ceiling tiles in your boat. And, if over the water is where they're supposed to be doing the testing in the first place, what right do you have to complain at all? Oh, wait, your boat was in your office and that's how you know the tiles moved! :blahblah:

Get your lies straight. You're making it too easy.

Wait.... I thought you were at work and the "ceiling tiles moved." Unless you have ceiling tiles in your boat. And, if over the water is where they're supposed to be doing the testing in the first place, what right do you have to complain at all? Oh, wait, your boat was in your office and that's how you know the tiles moved! :blahblah:

Get your lies straight. You're making it too easy.



Way to jump into the ring after the lights have gone out. :rolleyes:



:lol: