But WOW!
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/10/19/111925.shtml?et=y

This is an old "rumor" - that Cheney would resign, be replaced by Rice, who would then carry the torch for the Republicans in 2008. I'll believe it when I see it because Rice has never seemed interested in being President.

What aggravates me is that apparently every Bush official was involved in busting out the "big secret" of Valerie Plame. Rove, Libby, Cheney - who next? Rice? Bush himself? I would like them to quit throwing accusations out and grand jury shopping, and get to the bottom of this so we can know what really happened instead of listening to the Democrats try and blame everyone for something that is looking more and more like no big deal.

Yeah, but Dick Morris, who for some reason I can't stand (maybe the faggy voice, not to mention a trader), claims that Hillary will get elected in '08 and Condi is the only one that he thinks can beat her. This may be a good move for the Republicans!

This may be a good move for the Republicans!
Beats me. :shrug: Morris knows what he's doing, that's for sure.

I always thought that back in the Lewinski days that Clinton would resign and let Gore take the chair. After hearing "President Gore" for a year or two it would have been more palitable than him just running and he would have won. Good ting Clinton's ego was so huge he would not do it.

That article is too funny. Brit Hume was talking about this rumor yesterday and it was pretty much dismissed as a gag from the White House. I'm surprised those guys got taken in by a story "outed" by an unknown staffer. :lmao: Sounds like Newsmax needs an irony check as they missed the joke.

But NewsMax is such a veritable source! According to them I can have a bigger stinkhammer in 30 days by taking just one pill a day, whilst learning new brutal secrets overnight with the wicked prison fight system. Rumor has it that Henry Kissinger reads NewsMax and is now hung like a horse and fights like a wildcat.

Seriously... As I posted in my 'GOP 2008?' thread, I am a big fan of Condi running for either Pres or Veep in 2008. When I posted I was looking for 'gut feelings' but instead got some very well thought out responses from the usual suspects.

Everyone went to the issues... Which is great, except that most Americans vote on their gut and not the issues.

I will speak plainly. Condoleeza Rice is the Derringer in the garter belt of the Republican party. (Colin Powell would be the .44 Magnum, but he's out of play.) How would the Democratic Party respond to an administration with a black female running for President? One would think that all the tired rascist and sexist lines would be gone, or would the Democrats play the 'Uncle Tom' card? Once in power, how would the Democrats blame the adminstration for seemingly rascist or sexist acts (e.g. New Orleans fiasco)? What would happen to the stock-in-trade of Jesse Jackson or Louis Farrakhan? Would they dare to decry an amazingly intelligent African-American female in charge of our great country? Would they push aside their rascist and sexist charges and go for 'classist'? Where will it end? Marchers from Selma, Alabama blocking the polling places in northern states?

I am poised on the tiny seat in my government cubicle to take a leave of absence and volunteer for the Rice campaign, half because I believe in her, and half because this could be some fun shiat. And the way things go, who knows? I could be appointed the next Secretary of the Navy. (You all get liberal leave on my birthday.)

This may be a fleeting chance for a conservative-thinking candidate to swoop in and deflate the Democratic party for at least eight years, and maybe forever. Condi may indeed be the next Ronald Reagan, regardless of the color of her skin or what's between her legs.

I always thought that back in the Lewinski days that Clinton would resign and let Gore take the chair. After hearing "President Gore" for a year or two it would have been more palitable than him just running and he would have won. Good ting Clinton's ego was so huge he would not do it.

...I said that over and over. The thing was that with Hillary having served as a kid to help write up the impeachment documents for Nixon, Nixon being the lefts boogey man and of course knowing the fate of Gerald Ford after pardoning Nixon, which Gore certainly would have been required to do for Bill, there was no way they'd go that route.

One would think that all the tired rascist and sexist lines would be gone, or would the Democrats play the 'Uncle Tom' card? Once in power, how would the Democrats blame the adminstration for seemingly rascist or sexist acts (e.g. New Orleans fiasco)? What would happen to the stock-in-trade of Jesse Jackson or Louis Farrakhan? Would they dare to decry an amazingly intelligent African-American female in charge of our great country? Would they push aside their rascist and sexist charges and go for 'classist'? Where will it end?

...where have you been since Powell was SS and since Condi on board? They're said to not even be real black people.

Second thing; what is the track record of your gut in the last 3 or 4 Presidential races?

And third...ah, skip three for now.

I think I would vote for Hillary before I would ever vote for Powell. At least she's got some balls, Powell is nothing but an apeaser of the worst sort who's first and foremost consideration is covering his ass.

I would vote for Rice in a second. How would the Dems respond? They would have to tear her down. The Democrats have lost too many issues to the Republicans, and the ones they have left are either indefensible (education, abortion, the environment) or that few support like gay rights. They only have two major platform steps left - Social Security and civil rights, defined as Black rights. That's why they tossed away all reason on fixing SS... if it gets fixed, they lose half of their bargaining chips. If Rice gets in and starts really helping blacks, the Dems are going to be spending a lot of time at Gay Pride parades wearing chaps with nothing underneath - and who wants to see that!

How would the Dems respond? They would have to tear her down.
They already are. Powell and Rice get big positions in the Bush Administration and what happens? The Left calls them "house ni**ers". Condi becomes SecOfState and what happens? They make cartoons about her depicting her as Aunt Jemima.

And after they do this, there is a light flurry of disapproval before it's forgotten. Yet Trent Lott lost his leadership position for simply saying he thought Strom Thurmond would make a good President.

Now granted, Lott is an elected official and the Dem racists are only commentators, but the fact remains that Tavis Smiley wasn't jumping up and down to defend the honor of Powell and Rice.

So the Left would surely rip Rice to shreds and Jesse Jackson pick his nose while they did it.

They already are.

Not really. Yes, there are incidents from scattered Libs like those you described, but it's not been a concerted, coordinated effort. That is what they'll have to mobilize if she runs. The House ######/Aunt Jamaima/Uncle Tom stuff will fly with the poor blacks, but then they're going to be taking aim at the successful black communities and they aren't going to take kindly to that. They're going to say success does not equal playing whitey's game. More likely is that they'll respond with a healthy dose of "we're at least giving back to our communities. What have you done for us lately?", which puts a lot of Dems on the defensive, as we saw late in the last gov's race with KKT.

They've got the war in Iraq to assail her with, but she's never been timid in the least in defending her actions IRT Iraq, terrorism, etc., which is the primary reason I like her! Her answer to the gun control folks is that a lot of her ancestors would be dead if it weren't for their ability to protect themselves... so how do they argue against that?

That leaves... "SHE'S ALIGNED WITH THAT LIAR GEORGE BUSH!" and you know that while they think that's a great war cry to rally the troops, it really isn't.

so how do they argue against that?
There have been many times that I didn't think the Dems had a leg to stand on, but they found one anyway. When Bush named Powell and Rice to his cabinet, I thought that's that - how are the Dems going to paint the Republicans as racists now? It never occurred to me that they'd start calling them the N-word and Aunt Jemima and get away with it.

It never occurred to me that they'd start calling them the N-word and Aunt Jemima and get away with it.

Please name me one prominent Democratic leader who's ever described them that way? I've heard comments from some on the Left, like celebrities, who think they're leaders, but I've never heard any "real" Libs say stuff like that. No, what you should be looking for is the dreaded Democratic "talking points" to come out. It won't be until Rush plays a montage of every Dem leader using the exact same words that you know what the approach will be. They're like a bunch of damn parrots, and I've yet to hear them squawking ###### or Aunt Jemima.

Please name me one prominent Democratic leader who's ever described them that way?

Well, okay. Howard Dean has made several racist remarks and had "comedians" making racial jokes about Rice at his fundraisers, but he personally has never said anything about Rice or Powell specifically in public that I'm aware of.

So I guess we wait and see, huh? But I'm sure they'll come up with something.

I think it was Harry Belafonte who called Powell a "house ni**ger"...

Condi isn't going to run for President. She has never run for public office. It's not what she wants to do with her life, and she said exactly that on Meet the Press Sunday morning.

I think it was Harry Belafonte who called Powell a "house ni**ger"...

Black American hero with intelligent thought
Daylight come and me wanna go home

Served his country well and got treated like s**t
Daylight come and me wanna go home

Hey! Hey hey hey hey hey hey...
Hillary comes and she moans like a pig

Hey! Hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey...
Daylight come and me wanna go home

You're looking for a gut reaction?

I'm not sure that Dr. Rice has the charisma to pull off a presidential run. I understand that she's doing a great job as SS, and that she is very intelligent and educated, but honestly I can't remember a word she has said in public.

I'd vote for her LONG before I voted for Hillary, but that's more anti-Hillary sentiment than pro-Rice.

All I ever seem to hear from the Dems is venom about how horrible everything is and that it's all Bush's fault, or Delay's fault or Newt's fault (to go back a few years) etc. Never a message to inspire me anymore.

If the Repubs want to win again they will need to cogently restate their platform, and not wait until the convention to do it. If they come forward with an inspiring and believable message, I think they could put Donald Duck on the bill (pun!) and get him elected. (with all due respect to Dr. Rice)

I'm not sure that Dr. Rice has the charisma to pull off a presidential run. I understand that she's doing a great job as SS, and that she is very intelligent and educated, but honestly I can't remember a word she has said in public.

You hit the nail right on the head! You shouldn't remember much of what she's said in public because as NSA and SS she shouldn't be making many public remarks. If she is, she's not doing her job. Also, what remarks do you remember the most? Usually the ones that are total :BS: right? When Rice is asked a question, she provides a genuine answer. And when someone tries to spin her, she's got no hesitancy to throw her own :bs: flag and call them on it. Now that's Presidential material.

I think with Rice you get what you see, and not a lot of high-level, flowery, meaningless glop that you get from most of the other pols.

Condi isn't going to run for President. She has never run for public office. It's not what she wants to do with her life, and she said exactly that on Meet the Press Sunday morning.

I saw that interview, and it really impressed me when she said she had never run for anything in her life, not even senior class president. I would much rather have her in office than some geek who's been groomed to be President his whole life (Gore), or some sneaky, conniving woman who'll lie her ass off to win.

As for what she said, everybody on MTP says they aren't going to run. But, things change.

As for what she said, everybody on MTP says they aren't going to run. But, things change.


Those sound bites will haunt her if she changes her mind! :ohwell:

Those sound bites will haunt her if she changes her mind! :ohwell:

Why? All the Liberals are yacking about John McCain running, and every time he's asked if he's running he gives those same BS answers... "I'm just focused on working for the people of Arizona", or "I have no intention of running against President Bush", or "I'm more worried about the job I'm doing as Senator." What's worse is I think every person who has run for Prez latley, except for Gore, used the same stupid comments on shows like MTP... including Hillary.

I think her reluctance would be a strong selling point to people who are tired of groomed candidates who will say or do anything to get elected. I would love to see someone who's never run for any office be elected Prez.

Why? All the Liberals are yacking about John McCain running, and every time he's asked if he's running he gives those same BS answers... "I'm just focused on working for the people of Arizona", or "I have no intention of running against President Bush", or "I'm more worried about the job I'm doing as Senator." What's worse is I think every person who has run for Prez latley, except for Gore, used the same stupid comments on shows like MTP... including Hillary.

I think her reluctance would be a strong selling point to people who are tired of groomed candidates who will say or do anything to get elected. I would love to see someone who's never run for any office be elected Prez.


Her answer is much more direct than McCain's. We all know he's going to run.