In Calvert we have to have vehicle emission testing done on a regular basis... yet in St. Mary's they don't .... We all use the same roads....

How do y'all feel about that? :coffee:

Glad I live in St Mary's County~

Blame it on former commissioner Mary Krug.

Calvert is considered part of the DC area (according to the state of MD) which make emissions testing mandatory, if I remember correctly. Chuck County also has emissions testing.

Even in the truly metropolitan areas, is it cost efficient? How many vehicles fail? What is the life expectancy of the vehicles that do fail? Not much longer, I would guess.

Since Calvert was included in the Metro area for air quality, we don't have a lot of choice but to go along with the program or forget Federal highway funds.

Glad I live in St Mary's County~
:yeahthat: :neener:

In Calvert we have to have vehicle emission testing done on a regular basis... yet in St. Mary's they don't .... We all use the same roads....

How do y'all feel about that? :coffee:

How many people have noticed that variety of state tags on the vehicles of people that are stationed at Pax? They live here, and don't have to worry about emmisions... if their state doesn't require them. :coffee:

In Calvert we have to have vehicle emission testing done on a regular basis... yet in St. Mary's they don't .... We all use the same roads....

How do y'all feel about that? :coffee:


I think you need to worry about running for Calvert County Commissioner... :ohwell:

Your are right, and Pa, Va, and DC and yearly inspections while Maryland dosn't, right? So whats the difference?

Calvert is considered part of the DC area (according to the state of MD) which make emissions testing mandatory, if I remember correctly. Chuck County also has emissions testing.

Isn't this why gas is always cheaper in St. Mary's too? Something about being in the non-attainment area that includes DC, so there are extra taxes to pay.

http://www.epa.gov/oar/oaqps/greenbk/

I think you need to worry about running for Calvert County Commissioner... :ohwell:

Just wanted to get something on here to talk about.... I got tired of seeing the Hey JPC and the thread about mills....

I'm still waiting for someone to bring up a new topic for the candidates and wanted to just throw that out for discussion....

PG county has 2 year emission testing and a one time transfer of ownership safety inspection

In Calvert we have to have vehicle emission testing done on a regular basis... yet in St. Mary's they don't .... We all use the same roads....

How do y'all feel about that? :coffee:

I just had my emissions done yesterday...the man in Prince Fredrick said, "St. Mary's is getting theirs soon". :whistle:

I just had my emissions done yesterday...the man in Prince Fredrick said, "St. Mary's is getting theirs soon". :whistle:My car is registered in Charles County. I received an emissions request about 2 weeks ago, and I immediately changed my address with the MVA. :lol:

My opinion is that emission testing is nothing more than another way for the county/state to take my money. In the far past perhaps it had a place but not any more. If they are that worried about bad emissions why not make a law and allow the police to issue tickets for the very few offenders rather than make us all have it tested and for a fee. The state builds these testing stations and pay to have people do the testing and then makes us pay additional for it. When I was a teenager N.J. we used to have free, yes free, inspection stations we were required to go through annually. That was my tax dollars at work, but today they still get my tax dollars and then also charge me for the service. Becky, tell me what the heck my tax dollars do go towards. I'm taxed for sending kids to school and mine are as old or older than you, I'm taxed for just living in Charles County and what have they done for me? Am I personally paying so the JPC's of the world can live a better life because I don't see where it's helping me any. Perhaps if anyone could tell me that in this day and age that emission testing was well worth it I could maybe swing that way, but IMO I just don't see it.

Glad I live in St Mary's County~
:yeahthat: :neener:
My opinion is that emission testing is nothing more than another way for the county/state to take my money.
:yeahthat:

It is funny, since I moved to Chuck County, I've been through static tailpipe testing, then rolling dyno tailpipe testing, and now OBD-port scan testing. I've been happy since they are now just plugging into the car's computer to get a quick diagnostic result in seconds. But after reading this, why do i have to pay the same amount of money for a 30 second test?

When I had my Beretta, I failed the test once ~ 1999, and after I spend the requisite amount of money ($150 at the time) on repairs (replaced the O2 sensor), I brought it back and failed again. I got a waiver since I spend that minimum amount of money. Until I sold it in 2005, I never got another emissions notice. I guess that served as a "lifetime", current owner emissions waiver. Kinda nice I didn't have to spend a certain amount of money every two years, but in another respect, not really fair either (to mother earth).

Last year my 15 year old truck went through emissions (dyno test) and passed with flying colors. A couple of weeks ago, My Mustang was tested (the OBD test) and again passed. Come to think of it, I've never had a vehicle fail. Just seems to me another way for Maryland to get another $14.00 out of you every 2 years.

I don't understand why people blame the county or the state for this. It is a federal requirement. The county has absolutely nothing to do with it. The state runs the program, because the federal government requires it. The state makes no money off of the program. The state had to build the facilities, the state maintains the facilities, and the state pays the employees. I see no way that the state could be breaking even, much less making money of off these tests.

Personally, I enjoy the fact that I don't have to smell as many poor running nasty azz exhaust spewing cars. The only way to fail the test is to either have a car that is poorly maintained, or to deliberately bypass the emission controls.

Instead of blaming the government for enforcing emission standards, why don't you blame the people who are polluting? If the emissions stations did not find violations, do you really think that they could continue to exist?

I don't understand why people blame the county or the state for this. It is a federal requirement. The county has absolutely nothing to do with it. The state runs the program, because the federal government requires it. The state makes no money off of the program. The state had to build the facilities, the state maintains the facilities, and the state pays the employees. I see no way that the state could be breaking even, much less making money of off these tests.

Personally, I enjoy the fact that I don't have to smell as many poor running nasty azz exhaust spewing cars. The only way to fail the test is to either have a car that is poorly maintained, or to deliberately bypass the emission controls.

Instead of blaming the government for enforcing emission standards, why don't you blame the people who are polluting? If the emissions stations did not find violations, do you really think that they could continue to exist?
But they have morons working in them that aren't qualified to sweep floors.
They failed my car because the alternator gage wasn't working and refused to put my car on the emissions dyno. What a idiot! I hate when a moron is given any authoritative control.

I don't understand why people blame the county or the state for this. It is a federal requirement. The county has absolutely nothing to do with it. The state runs the program, because the federal government requires it. The state makes no money off of the program. The state had to build the facilities, the state maintains the facilities, and the state pays the employees. I see no way that the state could be breaking even, much less making money of off these tests.

Personally, I enjoy the fact that I don't have to smell as many poor running nasty azz exhaust spewing cars. The only way to fail the test is to either have a car that is poorly maintained, or to deliberately bypass the emission controls.

Instead of blaming the government for enforcing emission standards, why don't you blame the people who are polluting? If the emissions stations did not find violations, do you really think that they could continue to exist?

The 1st post in this thread states St Mary's doesn't have it. Is that a false statement because you're saying it's a federal requirement or doesn't St Mary's fall under federal? I don't know the answer. Beat me with a stick if I'm wrong but the state builds and maintains the stations and pays the employees and they don't get nothing for it?

Granted I no longer drive much, but it's been many years since I've seen or smelled a nasty azz exhaust spewing car. Is it because all cars are tested or is it because those that make cars have made emission improvements. As another said, if you fail the test all you have to do it put X amount of dollars into the car and you're good to go - whether or not the actual emissions were corrected.

Heck yes I believe the stations could and will continue to exist. It has to be making money. Take 4 or 5 operators with high school (maybe) backgrounds and say pay them $10 an hour. $14 per car every other year and I don't know how many cars are in Waldorf or any other place, but I guarantee you each station has to make a profit well over overhead expenses.

But they have morons working in them that aren't qualified to sweep floors.
They failed my car because the alternator gage wasn't working and refused to put my car on the emissions dyno. What a idiot! I hate when a moron is given any authoritative control.
Your car failed because it was broken, and you blame the "idiot"?

I don't understand why people blame the county or the state for this. It is a federal requirement. The county has absolutely nothing to do with it. The state runs the program, because the federal government requires it. The state makes no money off of the program. The state had to build the facilities, the state maintains the facilities, and the state pays the employees. I see no way that the state could be breaking even, much less making money of off these tests.

Personally, I enjoy the fact that I don't have to smell as many poor running nasty azz exhaust spewing cars. The only way to fail the test is to either have a car that is poorly maintained, or to deliberately bypass the emission controls.

Instead of blaming the government for enforcing emission standards, why don't you blame the people who are polluting? If the emissions stations did not find violations, do you really think that they could continue to exist?
It's wasted taxpayers money that could have gone to something actually useful. The whole program is manufactured by politicians duping the public into believing they are cleaning the Earth. How many cars fail? The only one's I've heard of, the owner spends the required dollars to get a waiver and puff-puffs out the garage. What did we gain? In reality, few cars fail and their life span is short anyway.

As far as enjoying smells go, take a big whiff of the garbage trucks coming out of Appeal, that ain't diesel smoke.

The 1st post in this thread states St Mary's doesn't have it. Is that a false statement because you're saying it's a federal requirement or doesn't St Mary's fall under federal? . Calvert is in the zone mandated by the fed. St. Mary's isn't. It's all readily available if you care to look it up.

As far as enjoying smells go, take a big whiff of the garbage trucks coming out of Appeal, that ain't diesel smoke. So are you saying that those big diesel engines are not burning diesel fuel? Cool! Are they using the methane that the landfill produces? That is AWESOME! I'm surprised this hasn't made into the papers yet!

I'm not trying to suggest there isn't a place for emission testing and it has probably done some good in the big scheme of things. I knew I should have done some research before posting my last but just went with my thoughts instead. St. Mary's doesn't have testing facilities but I gather they still have to run to Charles or Calvert to be tested. MDE runs the program within the state, which I did look up, and it's impossible for me to believe the state doesn't make money off these tests. Guess what peeves me the most is as I initially posted, years ago it was done in N.J. for free out of what I guess was my tax dollars, and now everything government is into costs extra. Plus not all states require testing. I've never failed a test either.

Glad I live in St Mary's County~
:yeahthat: I'm glad I got rid of the emissions testing thing 4 years ago when I moved back to St. Mary's. :yay:

Your car failed because it was broken, and you blame the "idiot"?
:killingme

I'm not trying to suggest there isn't a place for emission testing and it has probably done some good in the big scheme of things. I knew I should have done some research before posting my last but just went with my thoughts instead. St. Mary's doesn't have testing facilities but I gather they still have to run to Charles or Calvert to be tested. MDE runs the program within the state, which I did look up, and it's impossible for me to believe the state doesn't make money off these tests. Guess what peeves me the most is as I initially posted, years ago it was done in N.J. for free out of what I guess was my tax dollars, and now everything government is into costs extra. Plus not all states require testing. I've never failed a test either.
How can the State possibly make money off these tests? They may eventually break even...maybe. The companies that built the facility and equipped them probably made a killing. Typical government waste.

BTW, it was Commissioner Mary Krug that got Calvert into the program because "it was the right thing to do".

In Calvert we have to have vehicle emission testing done on a regular basis... yet in St. Mary's they don't .... We all use the same roads....

How do y'all feel about that? :coffee:

Vehicle Emissions testing is a way to shut up the tree-huggers and get revenue for the state. I'm against it.

Seeing Willie's post, I'll amend that to say that it's a way to shut up the tree-huggers and continue letting contracts to the state's favorite building and paving contractors. F.O. Day comes to mind.

So are you saying that those big diesel engines are not burning diesel fuel? Cool! Are they using the methane that the landfill produces? That is AWESOME! I'm surprised this hasn't made into the papers yet!

Diesels are exempt from VEIP
http://www.marylandmva.com/AboutMVA/INFO/58000-08T.htm

Diesels are exempt from VEIP
http://www.marylandmva.com/AboutMVA/INFO/58000-08T.htm

You might want to find out what you are talking about before leaving me red and calling me a tard:

Diesel Emissions Program (http://www.mde.state.md.us/Programs/AirPrograms/Mobile_Sources/dieselemmiscontrolprog/index.asp)

You aren't very bright, are you?

Your car failed because it was broken, and you blame the "idiot"?

What, exactly, does an alternator gauge have to do with your vehicle's emmissions? Are they testing emmissions, or are they testing your gauges? Are they going to fail you for tire pressure next?

Personally, I'm seriously more worried about the guy with improper tire pressure than FreakyFreak with the busted alternator gauge. Improper tire pressure can lead to blow outs. Busted alternator gauge? I don't know too many people that look at the damn thing, and I've never heard of it being the cause of a wreck or even bad emmissions.

You might want to find out what you are talking about before leaving me red and calling me a tard:

Diesel Emissions Program (http://www.mde.state.md.us/Programs/AirPrograms/Mobile_Sources/dieselemmiscontrolprog/index.asp)

You aren't very bright, are you?
Doesn't take much to light the fuse on your Tampax does it?

Diesel trucks are either exempt or my 10 yr. old truck and my brothers 2 trucks have somehow slipped the system.

quote from VEIP:
Exemptions are only granted if the vehicle's model year is 1976 or older or if it is powered solely by:

Diesel fuel; or,
Electricity.

Your website refers to trucks over 10,000 gvw and only if they are caught blowing smoke. No scheduled testing.
quote:
Enforcement is carried out by the Maryland State Police and the Maryland Transportation Authority Police who can require that any heavy-duty diesel vehicle submit to a smoke emissions test at any time or place.

You might want to find out what you are talking about before leaving me red and calling me a tard:

Diesel Emissions Program (http://www.mde.state.md.us/Programs/AirPrograms/Mobile_Sources/dieselemmiscontrolprog/index.asp)

You aren't very bright, are you?

I didn't leave you any red, nor did I call you any name.

Diesel trucks are either exempt or my 10 yr. old truck and my brothers 2 trucks have somehow slipped the system.
Your website refers to trucks over 10,000 gvw and only if they are caught blowing smoke.In all fairness, I think this whole thing is convoluted. Your original comment was: "As far as enjoying smells go, take a big whiff of the garbage trucks coming out of Appeal, that ain't diesel smoke." Garbage trucks and passenger trucks are categorized differently.

"Medium trucks have a weight of up to 15,000 kg (33,000 lb) and are typically used as dump trucks, garbage trucks, local freight-delivery trucks, and utility vehicles." (source) (http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761585304/Truck.html)

For that type of truck MM's link would fit. For your personal truck, hwyman's would fit. Per your original comment, I think MM was correct.

In all fairness, I think this whole thing is convoluted. Your original comment was: "As far as enjoying smells go, take a big whiff of the garbage trucks coming out of Appeal, that ain't diesel smoke." Garbage trucks and passenger trucks are categorized differently.

"Medium trucks have a weight of up to 15,000 kg (33,000 lb) and are typically used as dump trucks, garbage trucks, local freight-delivery trucks, and utility vehicles." (source) (http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761585304/Truck.html)

For that type of truck MM's link would fit. For your personal truck, hwyman's would fit. Per your original comment, I think MM was correct.
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Forget the garbage truck joke. It had absolutely nothing to do with exhaust pollutants, just about stink. I was stuck behind one on RT 234 and it smelled so bad I had to pull over and get away from him.

I'm not sure what your post is all about but diesel trucks are not inspected. Diesel trucks over 10,000 gvw are subject to spot inspections at the whim of the State Police. What is convoluted?

:whoosh: What is convoluted?Exactly. :biggrin:

Last year my 15 year old truck went through emissions (dyno test) and passed with flying colors. A couple of weeks ago, My Mustang was tested (the OBD test) and again passed. Come to think of it, I've never had a vehicle fail. Just seems to me another way for Maryland to get another $14.00 out of you every 2 years.


My vehicle was passed and I didn't have to pay. :howdy:

In Calvert we have to have vehicle emission testing done on a regular basis... yet in St. Mary's they don't .... We all use the same roads....

How do y'all feel about that? :coffee:

Glad I'm here!!!

What, exactly, does an alternator gauge have to do with your vehicle's emmissions? Are they testing emmissions, or are they testing your gauges? Are they going to fail you for tire pressure next?

Personally, I'm seriously more worried about the guy with improper tire pressure than FreakyFreak with the busted alternator gauge. Improper tire pressure can lead to blow outs. Busted alternator gauge? I don't know too many people that look at the damn thing, and I've never heard of it being the cause of a wreck or even bad emmissions.
Doesn't matter, you have to have properly working gauges in order to pass. It's what the state thinks, not what you think that determines what's pass or fail. Tires won't keep pressure for a year so unless you want the state to make inspections once a month, it's pointless to count that with any seriousness.

Doesn't matter, you have to have properly working gauges in order to pass. It's what the state thinks, not what you think that determines what's pass or fail. Tires won't keep pressure for a year so unless you want the state to make inspections once a month, it's pointless to count that with any seriousness.

I don't do emissions (st. mary's), so I don't know what the official rules are. Of course, it wouldn't suprise me if it was official, but it also wouldn't suprise me if the guy didn't know what the hell he was doing either. I've put cars through safety inspections that should never have passed- modified suspension, exhuast, non-working power locks, etc. The guy didn't even know that in MD its illegal to modify your susension (most people don't).

So, unless I see in writing what the rules are on gauges and emissions, my official opinion is that IF they are on the list to be checked, the guy that wrote the pass/fail checklist is a moron.

BTW, tire pressures do change month to month. However, that doesn't change the fact that improperly inflated tires DO cause blow-outs, bad handling, and wrecks. The checklist may be more worried about useless gauges than things that cause wrecks, but what does that tell you about the guy that wrote the list and politicians that passed the law? I'd rather they spent the money I pay in taxes worrying about real issues than whether or not some useless gauge in my car works.

BTW, tire pressures do change month to month.
BTW, I know, that's what I said. When I say tire pressure won't keep for a year that's what that means.

A faulty alternator gauge could signal a proplem in the electrical system that could cause a fire. A good reason for it to be checked.

BTW, I know, that's what I said. When I say tire pressure won't keep for a year that's what that means.

A faulty alternator gauge could signal a proplem in the electrical system that could cause a fire. A good reason for it to be checked.
Are we still talking about VEIP or are you now discussing the Maryland safety inspection?

I just had my emissions done yesterday...the man in Prince Fredrick said, "St. Mary's is getting theirs soon". :whistle:

Interesting... I think they've started. :banghead:

I got a request that I have to get my vehicle tested by the end of the month yet there is no location in St Mary's County. :confused:

Had my car checked...it failed...hummm..
Came back next day, different guy, different inspection bay..it passed...
Only difference was big hose that connects to exhaust...it has a rip in it.
I kept mouth shut and drove away :howdy:

Are we still talking about VEIP or are you now discussing the Maryland safety inspection?
Burning cars (carbecues) put out some pretty noxious emissions :shrug:

:lmao:

Pretty soon, our cars will report an emissions problem directly to the authorities through an "On-Star"-like transmission, and we'll get an automated call telling us to report to a VEIP stations within 10 days or our license will be suspended. :frown:

Pretty soon, our cars will report an emissions problem directly to the authorities through an "On-Star"-like transmission, and we'll get an automated call telling us to report to a VEIP stations within 10 days or our license will be suspended. :frown:
Yeah, but that feature will only be installed on new cars. They aren't going to retrofit older cars. Sooooo, I shall never buy another vehicle. :razz: