Oprah the Baptist proclaims there are many ways to God.
She also claims you don't need to believe in Jesus, just act like Him. And that is Baptist how???

Her true univeralisms shows as well as a lack of knoweledge.

http://www.watchman.org/oprah.wmv

Oprah the Baptist proclaims there are many ways to God.

Her true univeralisms shows as well as a lack of knoweledge.

http://www.watchman.org/oprah.wmv

:shrug: I get it. Sounds like a very spiritual approach to being human. Were we watching the same clip? :confused:
She also claims you don't need to believe in Jesus, just act like Him. And that is Baptist how??? The clip was intended to give views about individual paths towards divine enlightenment. It is true, I will grant you, that you are probably enraged, such as the lady in the audience voicing her "truth" about Jesus, as you are devout in your beliefs. I feel that the video is showing talk about being true to yourself and your God, whoever your God may be and use Jesus (either as your Savior or as a scripted example) of how to treat others and approach life.

And, finally - as this forum allows for all religious devotions and opinions, you may want to reconsider your use of "the Baptist".


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Bap·tist /ˈbæptɪst/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[bap-tist] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. a member of a Christian denomination that baptizes believers by immersion and that is usually Calvinistic in doctrine.
2. (lowercase) a person who baptizes.
3. the Baptist. John the Baptist.
–adjective 4. Also, Bap·tis·tic. of or pertaining to Baptists or their doctrines or practices.

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A member of an evangelical Protestant church of congregational polity, following the reformed tradition in worship, and believing in individual freedom, in the separation of church and state, and in baptism of voluntary, conscious believers.
baptist One that baptizes.

Oprah the Baptist proclaims there are many ways to God.
She also claims you don't need to believe in Jesus, just act like Him. And that is Baptist how???

Her true univeralisms shows as well as a lack of knoweledge.

http://www.watchman.org/oprah.wmv:coffee: Well Oprah told it completely correct,

then the narrow minded white woman has to demand the Christian Orthodox way of believe them or else.

The clip is excellant in teaching the truth as Oprah knows it - cheers to Oprah. :buddies:

And, finally - as this forum allows for all religious devotions and opinions, you may want to reconsider your use of "the Baptist".

I think you misunderstood If she was a true Baptist that would be great, but if shes a baptist I am an elf. As your defination states

A member of an evangelical Protestant church of congregational polity, following the reformed tradition in worship, and believing in individual freedom, in the separation of church and state, and in baptism of voluntary, conscious believers.
baptist One that baptizes.

She's so far from the reformed beliefs if she was any further left she would fall off the scale she is a propent of univeralism which is not even Christian, thats the point. She's selling a false Gospel and she may claim the name of the Baptist demonation but her beliefs are not Baptist beliefs!

so she was basically just saying it's better to be a good person and taking your own path to enlightenment.

what's so bad about that?

I think it's funny that you would get offended by someone promoting good things.

so she was basically just saying it's better to be a good person and taking your own path to enlightenment.

what's so bad about that?

I think it's funny that you would get offended by someone promoting good things.

:killingme
She sounds like a back-pew Methodist.......:diva:

:coffee: Well Oprah told it completely correct,

then the narrow minded white woman has to demand the Christian Orthodox way of believe them or else.

The clip is excellant in teaching the truth as Oprah knows it - cheers to Oprah. :buddies::smack:
Its also unbiblical, and not Christian! I do find it offensive when someone perverts the gospel, It shows mans arrogance to say I am not going to except Gods way and try to create my own.

<DIR>Gal 1:6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel--
Gal 1:7 not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ.
Gal 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9 As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.
</DIR>Straight from Gods mouth
3 Do not have any other gods before Me.
4 You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me,

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
<DIR><DIR>Mat 7:13 `Go ye in through the strait gate, because wide is the gate, and broad the way that is leading to the destruction, and many are those going in through it;
Mat 7:14 how strait is the gate, and compressed the way that is leading to the life, and few are those finding it!
Mat 7:15 `But, take heed of the false prophets, who come unto you in sheep's clothing, and inwardly are ravening wolves.


<DIR>Eph 2:4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us,
Eph 2:5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ--by grace you have been saved--
Eph 2:6 and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,
Eph 2:7 so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,
Eph 2:9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
</DIR></DIR></DIR>

Oprah can believe anything she wants, But then dont lie and call your self a Baptist or a Christian!

oh even god didn't accept 'gods way' .... why else would he send his boy on down to make changes?

and in that vein, if he wants things done 'his way', then there is a whole lot of nothing that could stop him.

[SIZE="2"]Its also unbiblical, and not Christian! I do find it offensive when someone perverts the gospel, It shows mans arrogance to say I am not going to except Gods way and try to create my own.

:blahblah:

Oprah can believe anything she wants, But then dont lie and call your self a Baptist or a Christian!:diva: Oprah knows what she is talking about - Oprah is a better "Baptist" and better "Christian" then what the Baptist are. :whistle:

Oprah can believe anything she wants, But then dont lie and call your self a Baptist or a Christian!

Honestly, I must be missing something. Does she claim her religion in the clip? Or have you heard her say, like so many others, "I was raised Baptist"?

I believe that you are devout in your faith. Thus, possibly spinning you up a bit about a media mogul "intervening" in your arena. However, a discussion on being a good person and having a good heart and a MUST BE a devout and practicing :insertreligionhere: would be two entirely different shows. And I don't believe she would get into religion - as she STATED IN THE CLIP - but would stick to a more spiritual topic.

So, I'm not sure where your source came from about being Baptist, but it didn't come from here... again, unless my media player or I missed it. :shrug:

:coffee: Well Oprah told it completely correct,

then the narrow minded white woman has to demand the Christian Orthodox way of believe them or else.

The clip is excellant in teaching the truth as Oprah knows it - cheers to Oprah. :buddies:

This was just sent to me via E-mail off another message board
Did You Know That It Started On Her Radio Show The First Of The Year?

"Oprah and Friends" exposed millions to new age
christianity on XM Satellite Radio starting
January 1st

Oprah Winfrey let out all the stops on her XM
Satellite Radio program this coming year.

Beginning January 1, 2008, "Oprah & Friends" offered
a year-long course on the New Age teachings of A
Course in Miracles.

A lesson a day throughout the year will completely
cover the 365 lessons from the Course in Miracles
"Workbook."

For example, Lesson #29 asks you to go through your
day affirming that "god is in everything I see."
Lesson #61 tells each person to repeat the affirmation
"I am the light of the world."

Lesson #70 teaches the student to say and believe "My
salvation comes from me." By the end of the year,
"Oprah & Friends" listeners will have completed all of
the lessons laid out in the Course in Miracles
Workbook.

Those who finish the Course will have a wholly
redefined spiritual mindset- a new age worldview that
includes the belief that

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there is n sin, no evil, no
devil, and that god is "in" everyone and everything.

A Course in Miracles teaches its students to rethink
everything they believe about God and life. The course
workbook bluntly states: "This is a course in mind
training" and is dedicated to "thought reversal."

Teaching A Course in Miracles will be Oprah's longtime
friend and special XM Satellite Radio reporter
Marianne Williamson-who also happens to be one of
today's premier new age leaders.

She and "Conversations with God" author Neale Donald
Walsch co-founded the American Renaissance Alliance in
1997, that later became the Global Renaissance
Alliance of New Age leaders, that changed its name
again in 2005 to the Peace Alliance.

This Peace Alliance seeks to usher in an era of global
peace founded on the principles of a new age/new
spirituality that they are now referring to as a
"civil rights movement for the soul."

They all agree that the principles of this new age/new
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new
spirituality are clearly articulated in A Course in
Miracles-which is fast becoming the new age bible.

So what is A Course in Miracles and what does it
teach? A Course in Miracles is allegedly "new
revelation" from "jesus" to help humanity work through
these troubled times.

In Truth, this "jesus"-who bears no doctrinal
resemblance to the Bible's Jesus -began delivering his
channeled teachings in 1965 to a Columbia University
Professor of Medical Psychology by the name of Helen
Schucman. One day Schucman heard an "inner voice"
stating, "This is a course in miracles. Please take
notes."

For seven years she diligently took spiritual
dictation from this inner voice that described himself
as "jesus."

A Course in Miracles was quietly published in 1975 by
the Foundation for Inner Peace. For many years "the
Course" was an underground cult classic for new age
seekers who studied "the Course" individually, with
friends, or in small study groups.

Here are
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quotes from the "jesus" of A Course in
Miracles:
* "There is no sin. . . "
* A "slain Christ has no meaning."
* "The journey to the cross should be the last
'useless journey ."
* "Do not make the pathetic error of 'clinging to the
old rugged cross.'"
* "The Name of Jesus Christ as such is but a symbol...
It is a symbol that is safely used as a replacement
for the many names of all the gods to which you pray."

* "god is in everything I see."
* "The recognition of god is the recognition of yourse
lf."
* "The oneness of the creator and the creation is your
wholeness, your sanity and your limitless power."
* "The Atonement is the final lesson he[man] need
learn, for it teaches him that, never having sinned,
he has no need of salvation." :smack:

Real Christians recognize that these teachings are the
opposite of what the Bible teaches.

At this critical time in the history of the world, the
new gospel/new spirituality is coming right at the
world and the church with
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with its new age teachings and
its new age peace plan. But this new age peace plan
has at its deceptive core the bottom-line teaching
from A Course in Miracles that "we are all one"
because god is "in" everyone and everything.

But the Bible is clear that we are not God (Ezekiel
28:2; Hosea 11:9). And per Galatians 3:26-28, our only
oneness is in Jesus Christ-not in ourselves as "God"
and "Christ."

What Oprah and Marianne Williamson and the world will
learn one day is that humanity's only real and lasting
peace is with the true Jesus Christ who is described
and quoted in the Holy Bible (Romans 5:1).

Oprah Winfrey's misplaced faith in Marianne Williamson
and the new age teachings of A Course in Miracles is a
sure sign of the times.

But an even surer sign of the times is that most
Christians arenot taking heed to what is happening in
the world and in the church. We are not contending for
the faith as the Bible admonishes us to do (Jude 3).

It is time for
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all church pastors/leaders to address
the real issues of the day.
"Oprah and Friends" to teach course on New Age Christ (http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/007/smith-oprah.htm)
By Warren Smith
November 2007
See also Reinventing Jesus Christ: The New Gospel (http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/006/warren-smith/6-reinventing-global-renaissance.htm)

My heritic friend, after reading this do you still want to back her??

oh I do love a good christian vs. christian throw down.

RAWR I'M HOLY AND JUST!

NO! I AM!

ME! MY IDEAS ARE THE CORRECT VERSION OF COMMANDS FROM A BEING I ADMIT I CAN'T FULLY COMPREHEND, AS IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE!

NO!

ME!


ahahahaha

oh I do love a good christian vs. christian throw down.

RAWR I'M HOLY AND JUST!

NO! I AM!

ME! MY IDEAS ARE THE CORRECT VERSION OF COMMANDS FROM A BEING I ADMIT I CAN'T FULLY COMPREHEND, AS IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE!

NO!

ME!


ahahahaha:diva: I agree.

The Christians do not like Muslims, do not like Hindu or Buddhist, and then it turns out that Christians do not even like each other.

Jesus says to "love thy enemies" and Christians say "No way." :banghead:

oh I do love a good christian vs. christian throw down.



I look at it altogether differently, If it was Christian Vs Christian than I would have a problem.
I look at it as exposining a Heritic! Someone claiming to be a Christian, and being so far removed from the tennets of the faith is serious.
Also false-teachers that could lead someone astray or straight to hell need to be brought to light.
How would you feel if someone you loved bought into these false teachings?
I dont want any of my friends or loved ones going to Hell because they bought into a false Gospel thinking it was ok.

If someone has heard the truth and they choose to reject it, thats one thing.
But there are alot of undiscipled, young, naive Christians, and seekers out there that need to know so there not mislead.

So I think its an act of kindness and very serious, that not only that people hear the Gospel, but here it correctly.

I look at it altogether differently, If it was Christian Vs Christian than I would have a problem.
I look at it as exposining a Heritic! Someone claiming to be a Christian, and being so far removed from the tennets of the faith is serious.
Also false-teachers that could lead someone astray or straight to hell need to be brought to light.
How would you feel if someone you loved bought into these false teachings?
I dont want any of my friends or loved ones going to Hell because they bought into a false Gospel thinking it was ok.

If someone has heard the truth and they choose to reject it, thats one thing.
But there are alot of undiscipled, young, naive Christians, and seekers out there that need to know so there not mislead.

So I think its an act of kindness and very serious, that not only that people hear the Gospel, but here it correctly.

RAWR I'M RIGHT, AND THOSE WITH DIFFERENT TAKES ON 2,000 YEAR OLD TEXTS ARE WRONG AND HERETICS!

EVEN THOUGH THE MESSAGE WAS OF PEACE AND LOVE, IT WAS A FALSE TEACHING THAT JESUS (the biggest proponent of peace and love) WOULD ABHOR!

:diva: I agree.

The Christians do not like Muslims, do not like Hindu or Buddhist, and then it turns out that Christians do not even like each other.

Jesus says to "love thy enemies" and Christians say "No way." :banghead:

So which side are you on? Ive heard you profess to be a Christian now it seems as if your not.

Also how dare you generalize all Christians with statements like that?

I would suggest that if you were a Christian, you would know that true Christians that are living there faith, and not just wearing a label, dont hate they love people enough to share the truth with them. Have you ever heard of Missionaries? These are folks that love people enough to give up everything to travel to foreing lands and cultures and religions to make sure they hear the Gospel.

Much like people have tried to do with you here. You have even been invited to come and walk with other Christians, to see people living their faith, into there homes, their activitives, their churches, and see what reality is like outside of the forums and you still say something so dumb? Maybe the hatred you see is comming from inside?

Also how dare you generalize all Christians with statements like that?

you just generalized everyone that takes different meanings from the bible.

I agree with Marie.
I still love Oprah.
Works alone don't get ya' through the pearly gates.
That is all.

yes, why judge people by what they actually do?

yes, why judge people by what they actually do?:diva: Yes, it matters little what a person believes if they treat others as inferior.

Or one with strange beliefs while their actions show respect and dignity to others.

The actions speak far louder and clearer then the words and so-called righteous beliefs. :coffee:

you just generalized everyone that takes different meanings from the bible.

Question the song Philadelphia Freedom by Elton John, is the meaning what you imagine it is when you hear it?

Or is it what Elton John meant when he wrote it, about Billy Jean King his friend making it big on that Tennis team?

The latter is called authorial intent thats the way scripture is to be interpruted.

The first: What does it mean to me, is called reader respones and thats how false teachings, like The Prosberity Gospel come into play. Someone didnt pratice good Hermaneutics and when a verse mentions laying on hands they interupted what it means today rather than what it meant back then to the culture. No-where near the same!

The point is there is only oneway to interprut scripture. There are some small things that arent worth squabling over like adiaphora ( Literally, "matters of indifference." Beliefs or practices which the sixteenth-century Reformers regarded as being tolerable, in that they were neither explicitly rejected nor stipulated by Scripture. For example, what ministers wore at church services was often regarded as a "matter of indifference." The concept is of importance in that it allowed the sixteenth-century reformers to adopt a pragmatic approach to many beliefs and practices, thus avoiding unnecessary confrontation.)

Matters of salvation are not one of those!

So which side are you on? Ive heard you profess to be a Christian now it seems as if your not.:diva: I like all religions of all kinds.

I can be a Christian and Muslim and Hindu and Jew and others all at the same time.

That way really comes from "loving thy neighbor as thy self."



Also how dare you generalize all Christians with statements like that?

Maybe the hatred you see is comming from inside?:diva: That is my mistake, because not "all" Christians are intolerant and bigoted and disrespectful of other religions.

Only some Christians are that sinful way. :coffee:

The first: What does it mean to me, is called reader respones and thats how false teachings, like The Prosberity Gospel come into play. Someone didnt pratice good Hermaneutics and when a verse mentions laying on hands they interupted what it means today rather than what it meant back then to the culture. No-where near the same!

The point is there is only oneway to interprut scripture. There are some small things that arent worth squabling over like adiaphora ( Literally, "matters of indifference." Beliefs or practices which the sixteenth-century Reformers regarded as being tolerable, in that they were neither explicitly rejected nor stipulated by Scripture. For example, what ministers wore at church services was often regarded as a "matter of indifference." The concept is of importance in that it allowed the sixteenth-century reformers to adopt a pragmatic approach to many beliefs and practices, thus avoiding unnecessary confrontation.)

Matters of salvation are not one of those!

Everyone has personal interpretations of the bible. In fact, unless you are a robot, personal interpretations are the only possible intrepretations you can get from it or any other thing.

If yours are similar to those of others, so be it.

When you first read through it, I'd wager my soul against your fiddle of gold that you found certain parts of it to be more enlightening or closer to the way you were feeling at the time.

I already see you talking about "matters of indifference". Indifferent to who?

certainly not the author, or else they would have been ommited. Already you have evidence of picking and choosing by your own admission.

or personal preference or interpretation. Call it what you will.

you have gone the extra mile, you have quoted, explained, and tried to define terms (crucial to any intelligent debate), Now...the NT is very clear about this:

Shake the dust off your feet with these characters: How many times did Paul tell his churches to show discernment and have no connection with those who distort the word. Both of your detracters show no openess, no willingness to understand the truthes you offer. Only mockery and nonsense.

Let the blind stumble along....don't waste any more of your time: Their real goal is to distort God's word and pull new Christians away from the faith.

Move on to people that are truly searching, you are dealing with the attitudes of Demas, Alexander the coppersmith, etc... you have completed the charge of Eph 5: 9-11

Thank you for your patient explanations.

you have gone the extra mile, you have quoted, explained, and tried to define terms (crucial to any intelligent debate), Now...the NT is very clear about this:

Shake the dust off your feet with these characters: How many times did Paul tell his churches to show discernment and have no connection with those who distort the word. Both of your detracters show no openess, no willingness to understand the truthes you offer. Only mockery and nonsense.

Let the blind stumble along....don't waste any more of your time: Their real goal is to distort God's word and pull new Christians away from the faith.

Move on to people that are truly searching, you are dealing with the attitudes of Demas, Alexander the coppersmith, etc... you have completed the charge of Eph 5: 9-11

Thank you for your patient explanations.


I like how the 'blind' are the people open to different ideas on obtaining harmony through peaceful ways while apparently those who 'see' are forced to look in one direction.

makes sense ....

unless you think about it I guess.

I've been a Baptist for 30+ years. We don't hate other christians or other denominations of like faith as the false propaganda that some spew from their typing on this site. We don't hate false religions like those who are ignorant spout on this site. We disagree with them - and that's not hate, that's reality. Some people live in non-reality that everybody is right and nobody is wrong and that there is no real truth and we all will be ok after death. Yeah, so tell the Patriots they really didn't loose the SuperBowl - they showed up so they too won and have the right to say so, right? And if anyone says the Patriots DID loose, then they must hate the Patriots, right?

If Oprah says she's a baptist, then that is what she calls herself. Since most of her spiritualism has been discussed on her show - she certainly does not practice baptist - but she has a right to call herself what she wants. I doubt she has been in a baptist church in last few years - if she has she would have tendered her membership as we don't believe or teach what she believes and teaches on her show and soon to be network. She would most definitely not want to identify with us "narrow minded" folk.

Many baptists will be in heaven and many baptists will be in hell. It's not religion - it's whether we have put our faith and trust in Jesus Christ and so bear evidence that we walk anew in Christ Jesus. Being "Baptist" is a way in which to practice corporate worship - Baptist is not "the" entry point into heaven, Christ Jesus is the entry point through the cross and resurrection.

I've been a Baptist for 30+ years. We don't hate other christians or other denominations of like faith as the false propaganda that some spew from their typing on this site. We don't hate false religions like those who are ignorant spout on this site. We disagree with them - and that's not hate, that's reality. :whistle: When any Christian or Christian denomination openly declares that other people (Christian or not) are going to burn in Hell for all eternity for having their different beliefs,

then that covers the term "hate" quite matter-of-factly even if you claim it is not hate. :eyebrow:

Question the song Philadelphia Freedom by Elton John, is the meaning what you imagine it is when you hear it?

Or is it what Elton John meant when he wrote it, about Billy Jean King his friend making it big on that Tennis team?

The latter is called authorial intent thats the way scripture is to be interpruted.

The first: What does it mean to me, is called reader respones and thats how false teachings, like The Prosberity Gospel come into play. Someone didnt pratice good Hermaneutics and when a verse mentions laying on hands they interupted what it means today rather than what it meant back then to the culture. No-where near the same!

The point is there is only oneway to interprut scripture. There are some small things that arent worth squabling over like adiaphora ( Literally, "matters of indifference." Beliefs or practices which the sixteenth-century Reformers regarded as being tolerable, in that they were neither explicitly rejected nor stipulated by Scripture. For example, what ministers wore at church services was often regarded as a "matter of indifference." The concept is of importance in that it allowed the sixteenth-century reformers to adopt a pragmatic approach to many beliefs and practices, thus avoiding unnecessary confrontation.)

Matters of salvation are not one of those!

who told you what the original authors (men by the way) intended by their writings?

who told you what the original authors (men by the way) intended by their writings?

Well there a few ways, if you have a bible look in the margins and you well see related verses that add clairity to the intent of the verse your reading.

Then you can use commentaries to further assits you.

If you want to try something cool read a verse, look at the others recomended, write down what you think the verse is saying, than look at some comentaries to see if they agree.

I use an interliner both in Hebrew and Greek, so I can see the words in there own language. Than look at the verse in English below, than look up any questionable words in a Hebrew or a Greek dictionary.

For example: Flesh dosent always mean that which covers your bones, but wordly desires.

Then theres context, context, context
Who was the verse said to?
What was it like where they lived?
What where there customs?
You need to know this, was it under the old covenant or the new?

Philippians 4:13
I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

If you know what was going on at that time they were being perscuted it was written to a specific audiance. It dosent apply to you!
But the principle can, if your being perscuted for your faith and say loose a job or a promotion over being a christian.
Does it mean that Matt Hughes The extream fighter that uses that as his Mantra can beat every oponet it?
No of course not!

Heres another one, everyones favorite life verse.

Jeremiah 29:11-13.
This passage is one of the most popular devotional passages in America. And it is one of the most misused and misunderstood.
"For I know the plans I have for you”, declares the Lord, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future. Then you will call upon me and come and pray to me, and I will listen to you. You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart.”

Its not written or intented for us, yet people all the time use it out of ignorance

God Does NOT Have a Plan For Your Life « Seeking First the Kingdom (http://jimmymccarty.wordpress.com/2007/11/15/god-does-not-have-a-plan-for-your-life/)

But there are verses/things that do apply to everyone!
This is one of the things, secondary to the grace of God that makes reading the Bible soooo cool

Heres one I misssed the boat on. I got that its Gods Grace that saved us and nothing we can. What I missed is that only if Faith is given to us can we believe, we cant even do that are our own. I knew that man was spritually dead in sin and could do nothing on his own, but I missed the fact is that our faith is even given to us by God.

Awesome stuff if you understand it.
Ephesians 2:8-9 (King James Version)

8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9Not of works, lest any man should boast.

I also believe that those men you are referring to wrote what the Holly Spirit put on there hearts to write and thats why so many authurs of so many books, over so many hundreds of years could all be put together to create a document that not only validates its self but is proven by history and science.

God is awesome!

Well there a few ways if you have a bible look in the margins and you well see related verse that add clairity to the intent of what your reading.
Then you can use commentaries to further assits you.

If you want to try something cool read a verse look at the others recomended write down what you think its saying than look at some comentaries to see if they agree.

I use an interliner both in Hebrew and Greek so I can see the words in there own language see the verse in english below than look up any questionale word in a hebrew or Greek dictionary.

For example: Flesh dosent always mean that which covers your bones, but wordly desires.

Then theres context, context, context
Who was the verse said to?
What was it like where they lived?
What where there customs?
You need to know this, was it under the old covenant or the knew?

Philippians 4:13
I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

If you know what was going on at that time they were being perscuted it was written to a specific audiance.It dosent apply to you!
But the principle can if your being perscuted for your faith and say loose a job or a promotion over being a christian.
Does it mean that Matt Hughes The extream fighter that uses that as his Mantra can beat every oponet it?
No of course not!

Heres anoter one everyone favorite life verse.

Jeremiah 29:11-13.
This passage is one of the most popular devotional passages in America. And it is one of the most misused and misunderstood.
“For I know the plans I have for you”, declares the Lord, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future. Then you will call upon me and come and pray to me, and I will listen to you. You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart.”

Its not written or intented for us, yet people all the time use it out of ignorance

God Does NOT Have a Plan For Your Life « Seeking First the Kingdom (http://jimmymccarty.wordpress.com/2007/11/15/god-does-not-have-a-plan-for-your-life/)

But there are things that do apply to everyone!
This is one of the things secondary to the grace of God that make reading the Bible soooo cool

Heres one I misssed the boat on. I got that its Gods Grace that saved us and nothing we can. What I missed is that only if Faith is given to us can we believe we cant even do that are our own I new that man was spritually dead and could do nothing on his own but I missed the fact is that our faith is given to us by God.
Awesome stuff if you understand it.
Ephesians 2:8-9 (King James Version)

8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9Not of works, lest any man should boast.

I also believe that those men you are referring to wrote what the Holly Spirit put on there hearts to write and thats why so many authurs of so many books, over so many hundreds of years could all be put together to create a document that not only validates its self but is proven by history and science.

God is awesome!




well that kind of smacks in the face of the whole "only one way to interpret scripture" doesn't it?
I mean you are using the suggestions of a third party to help you come to your conclusions, aren't you? so you are getting an interpretaion of the scripture before you even read it all....... that is gonna seriously shape your opinion.

well that kind of smacks in the face of the whole "only one way to interpret scripture" doesn't it?
I mean you are using the suggestions of a third party to help you come to your conclusions, aren't you? so you are getting an interpretaion of the scripture before you even read it all....... that is gonna seriously shape your opinion.

The interpretation comes from other scripture?? Do you object to double checking yourself against the great theoloigans of all time to see if you understand correctly?

:whistle: When any Christian or Christian denomination openly declares that other people (Christian or not) are going to burn in Hell for all eternity for having their different beliefs,

then that covers the term "hate" quite matter-of-factly even if you claim it is not hate. :eyebrow:
You don't believe in hell... remember?

So, you must completely agree with me or then you would be a hater. So not like you JPC -

The interpretation comes from other scripture?? Do you object to double checking yourself against the great theoloigans of all time to see if you understand correctly?

but but but yuo said there was only one way to interpret scriptures, if you are relying on the works of theologians, who didn't write the bible, then you are relying on third party interpretations. How does that equate to "only one way to interpret"?

You don't believe in hell... remember?

So, you must completely agree with me or then you would be a hater. So not like you JPC -:faint: Hate does not have to be based on reality or the truth,

especially when it is religious hatred. :nomoney:

:faint: Hate does not have to be based on reality or the truth,

especially when it is religious hatred. :nomoney:
You write: "Hate does not have to be based on reality or the truth"... guess telling people they are haters is not based on reality or truth either. Good try, though.

You write: "Hate does not have to be based on reality or the truth"... guess telling people they are haters is not based on reality or truth either. Good try, though.:coffee: Hate is more correctly based on hateful words and hateful actions.

From my perspective then truth and reality simply do not have any hate in them.

People that openly speak their hatred like cutting down other people's religions and telling (words) others that they are to burn in Hell for having different beliefs and cheering on the wars and agressions against others and justifying cruelties and tortures are all acts of hatred in words.

Those that actually do the hate are fueled by the hateful words. :whistle:

:coffee: Hate is more correctly based on hateful words and hateful actions.

From my perspective then truth and reality simply do not have any hate in them.

People that openly speak their hatred like cutting down other people's religions and telling (words) others that they are to burn in Hell for having different beliefs and cheering on the wars and agressions against others and justifying cruelties and tortures are all acts of hatred in words.

Those that actually do the hate are fueled by the hateful words. :whistle:
You write: "From my perspective then truth and reality simply do not have any hate in them" - we see something finally to agree upon. Since my perspective of belief is based on truth and reality - I simply do not have any hate in them (me).

Now your truth and reality is based on being able to do all things with no consequence. When someone like me comes along and says, "wait, there is consequence for that belief" then you cry out "hater!" Why? because your belief has been infringed upon.

Did you ever stop and realize that in the words you say of hate, you condemn yourself? After all, if you say one thing against my belief (or say I'm wrong to believe in hell or Jesus or dogma at large) then you are no longer tolerent of my belief and so are full of hate - - this according to your own words in many messages and threads.

It is better to say to one another, I can't go along with your way of thinking verses crying out "hater" everytime someone stands up for conviction of belief. When people say that to me, I move on and think no less of them - I just keep believing that which I hold to.

For those who say I hate (like you) because I disagree with non-Christ centered faiths I move on simply because I choose not to live my life in Disneyland as so many who preach tolerance but have no tolerance for my religious convictions.

You write: "From my perspective then truth and reality simply do not have any hate in them" - we see something finally to agree upon. Since my perspective of belief is based on truth and reality - I simply do not have any hate in them (me).

Now your truth and reality is based on being able to do all things with no consequence. When someone like me comes along and says, "wait, there is consequence for that belief" then you cry out "hater!" Why? because your belief has been infringed upon.

Did you ever stop and realize that in the words you say of hate, you condemn yourself? After all, if you say one thing against my belief (or say I'm wrong to believe in hell or Jesus or dogma at large) then you are no longer tolerent of my belief and so are full of hate - - this according to your own words in many messages and threads.

It is better to say to one another, I can't go along with your way of thinking verses crying out "hater" everytime someone stands up for conviction of belief. When people say that to me, I move on and think no less of them - I just keep believing that which I hold to.

For those who say I hate (like you) because I disagree with non-Christ centered faiths I move on simply because I choose not to live my life in Disneyland as so many who preach tolerance but have no tolerance for my religious convictions.:diva: All of this is cool by me and I did not know that about you.

I grouped you in with the other self righteous posters on here based on your affront to my post.

I agree that truth and reality does not include hate of persons but there is the hate for wrong doing.

Hate the sin but not the sinner.

Love thy enemies because a person doing right will have enemies.

I hate violence, and I hate perversions, and hate lies and thieving, bigotry and etc.

:whistle: