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Larry Gude
04-01-2009, 09:58 AM
Rep Paul Ryan has been hard at work on the GOP counter budget and is unveiling it, I think, today. It's all about cutting spending and rational, reasonable things like focusing on making health insurance, private health insurance, available to everyone sans government control, etc.
However, there is just one huge problem; Ryan not only voted for TARP, he lobbied hard for it. Now, unless you are one that says GOP plans for socialism are OK and Dem ones are not, there is no ground for Ryan to stand on.
This is the case with most of the young guns who would be king; they are voted for TARP. Ryan. Cantor. Etc.
Again, unless you are a yellow dog GOP'er, what's the GOP to do?
This_person
04-01-2009, 10:25 AM
Rep Paul Ryan has been hard at work on the GOP counter budget and is unveiling it, I think, today. It's all about cutting spending and rational, reasonable things like focusing on making health insurance, private health insurance, available to everyone sans government control, etc.
However, there is just one huge problem; Ryan not only voted for TARP, he lobbied hard for it. Now, unless you are one that says GOP plans for socialism are OK and Dem ones are not, there is no ground for Ryan to stand on.
This is the case with most of the young guns who would be king; they are voted for TARP. Ryan. Cantor. Etc.
Again, unless you are a yellow dog GOP'er, what's the GOP to do?Have him recant. Have him admit he's made mistakes, learned from them, and is moving forward with the knowledge that only experince can give you.
We can admit mistakes, provided we demonstrate that we've learned. People buy that more than simplistic ideological jargon or backpeddling. And, it would stand in stark contrast to the president's lack of experience, and grasping onto the same ideological jargon vice learning curve.
Larry Gude
04-01-2009, 10:36 AM
Have him recant. Have him admit he's made mistakes, learned from them, and is moving forward with the knowledge that only experince can give you.
We can admit mistakes, provided we demonstrate that we've learned. People buy that more than simplistic ideological jargon or backpeddling. And, it would stand in stark contrast to the president's lack of experience, and grasping onto the same ideological jargon vice learning curve.
I think that is great start.
Thing is, they're not gonna do that and for good reason; it is inexcusable to not just vote for but also advocate for the chaotic, rushed mess that TARP was and then expect anyone to trust your judgement on large issues again.
Then, the flip side, if they don't say they were wrong, objections to Obama is little more than partisan rancor.
In my view, it's just too big a mistake. There is NO way a fiscal conservative goes for that mess. Ever.
Toxick
04-01-2009, 11:25 AM
Again, unless you are a yellow dog GOP'er, what's the GOP to do?
Appeal to the maturity of the American voter, trusting that they will see the sincerity that is expressed with disarming candor.
HAHAHAHAHAHAH!
Larry Gude
04-01-2009, 11:40 AM
Appeal to the maturity of the American voter, trusting that they will see the sincerity that is expressed with disarming candor.
HAHAHAHAHAHAH!
And that is EXACTLY what John McCain was selling and that is EXACTLY what many Americans were looking to buy and truly hoping that that is EXACTLY what McCain would provide.
However, when it mattered most, when McCain could have proven himself as that voice, as that leader, he failed. He jumped in the same mud trough with Bush and Obama and wallowed around in it.
He would be president today had he been that voice, had he been that leader. He failed that test and here we are.
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