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Highlander
06-29-2009, 04:12 PM
Now that we are all talking about Michael Jackson's death, how about a poll.....
Do you think MJ molested children?
Black-Francis
06-29-2009, 04:16 PM
Now that we are all talking about Michael Jackson's death, how about a poll.....
Do you think MJ molested children?
Where did he touch you?
clevalley
06-29-2009, 04:37 PM
No doubt, McDonalds has a sammich named after him - 50 y/o meat between 12 y/o buns, they would have not done that for nothing.
Merlin99
06-29-2009, 05:40 PM
No doubt, McDonalds has a sammich named after him - 50 y/o meat between 12 y/o buns, they would have not done that for nothing.
I think a lot of people want him to be guilty just so they can keep making stupid jokes at his expense. Got news for all of you, he doesn't care anymore.
Toxick
06-29-2009, 05:49 PM
Where did he touch you?
I need a rag-doll to point at.
trilogy
06-29-2009, 05:56 PM
No doubt, McDonalds has a sammich named after him - 50 y/o meat between 12 y/o buns, they would have not done that for nothing.
he died of food poisening,he ate a 12 year old weiner.
PsyOps
06-29-2009, 06:17 PM
Now that we are all talking about Michael Jackson's death, how about a poll.....
Do you think MJ molested children?
You're obssessed. Let it go.
eddy1
06-29-2009, 06:35 PM
I think a lot of people want him to be guilty just so they can keep making stupid jokes at his expense. Got news for all of you, he doesn't care anymore.
I often wonder about people who defend the defenseless. Makes me wonder what skeletons they have.
aps45819
06-29-2009, 06:45 PM
...just announced:
"This just in, Michael Jackson is still dead"
Baja28
06-29-2009, 06:59 PM
...just announced:
"This just in, Michael Jackson is still dead"And little children are now safe from him. :yahoo:
PsyOps
06-29-2009, 07:00 PM
I often wonder about people who defend the defenseless. Makes me wonder what skeletons they have.
I'll tell you what's defenseless is the abuse MJ had to put up with all of his life, especially as a child. He was a screwed up human being because of it. To the end people were taking advantage of him. I have no clue if MJ molested any children. And no one on this forum knows this for a fact either. You either believe he did or didn't or just aren't sure.
You want to make jokes about something? Make jokes about the parents that ripped this poor kid from his childhood, abused him when he didn't perform to dad's liking and forced to do what he probably didn't want to do. Over time I'm certain the years of brainwashing into believing this was all he was born to do put him a place that he couldn't escape.
But the bigots will ignore this for their own pleasure to mount further abuse on someone that had zero control over his life. Especially now that he's gone.
I think it's sad that people are finding this as an opportunity to plague this forum (and other places) with jokes about a person that lived a painful and pathetic life. Makes me wonder what THOSE people have hidden in their closets.
And don't you find it ironic that the person that represented the highest level of success in the entertainment industry also lived the highest level of mental pain? His death doesn't make me sad. His life does.
frozenrain
06-29-2009, 07:16 PM
What I find sick is that there are people on these forums making jokes about child sexual abuse.
Merlin99
06-29-2009, 07:51 PM
I often wonder about people who defend the defenseless. Makes me wonder what skeletons they have.
Somebody touched you in a naughty place when you were a kid, didn't they.
ITS ME
06-29-2009, 08:36 PM
I often wonder about people who defend the defenseless. Makes me wonder what skeletons they have.
and the people that convict someone when they dont know the facts....make you wonder, what skeletons they have. Trying to make yourself feel better about something?
Highlander
06-29-2009, 08:45 PM
and the people that convict someone when they dont know the facts....make you wonder, what skeletons they have. Trying to make yourself feel better about something?
Interesting comments. Some people just have no idea how the courts work and how MJ got off. OK, bad use of words. If kids wanted to make up stories like this to get money, why doesn't it happen more often to other celebrities? Anyone with a little bit of a brain should be able to come to come to the conclusion that MJ was a little strange, liked to have little boys over lured them into his bed. I love his music and he was a great performer. I have a few DVD collections of him and will enjoy watching them from time to time but there is no doubt in my mind he had a dark side. The MJ who liked little boys.
If you really believe he is innocent, then you are probably the type who thinks OJ was innocent and think the Easter Bunny is real. I guess there's nothing we normal people can say to get through to you.
I have to say that I picked Im not sure.
I would bet 99% that he is a chester the molester, but I personally have no real knowledge of anything going on.
I will say that there is no way in hell that I would allow him to be near any child I knew.
But I suppose thats all really not important anymore is it?
Merlin99
06-29-2009, 08:55 PM
Interesting comments. Some people just have no idea how the courts work and how MJ got off. OK, bad use of words. If kids wanted to make up stories like this to get money, why doesn't it happen more often to other celebrities? Anyone with a little bit of a brain should be able to come to come to the conclusion that MJ was a little strange, liked to have little boys over lured them into his bed. I love his music and he was a great performer. I have a few DVD collections of him and will enjoy watching them from time to time but there is no doubt in my mind he had a dark side. The MJ who liked little boys.
If you really believe he is innocent, then you are probably the type who thinks OJ was innocent and think the Easter Bunny is real. I guess there's nothing we normal people can say to get through to you.
Did you ever see an old Henry Fonda movie called 12 angry men, give it a look sometime, it may open your eyes. (I doubt it, but give it a try)
Highlander
06-29-2009, 09:17 PM
Did you ever see an old Henry Fonda movie called 12 angry men, give it a look sometime, it may open your eyes. (I doubt it, but give it a try)
So, would you have let your kids sleep at his house? If you really think he was innocent, you would have to answer yes.
Do you know how many people get off due to a technicality? You know, maybe one little mistake the cops made. Or one little piece of evidence that disappeared.
Instead of watching a "movie", go spend some time in a real court room. Spend a couple of days listening to a few circuit court trials. It may open YOUR eyes. I actually have very little doubt. You will see.
Merlin99
06-29-2009, 09:35 PM
So, would you have let your kids sleep at his house? If you really think he was innocent, you would have to answer yes.
Do you know how many people get off due to a technicality? You know, maybe one little mistake the cops made. Or one little piece of evidence that disappeared.
Instead of watching a "movie", go spend some time in a real court room. Spend a couple of days listening to a few circuit court trials. It may open YOUR eyes. I actually have very little doubt. You will see.
Just why would I have to let my kids sleep at his house? It makes you sound like a moron to even say such idiotic things. The second paragraph, there was no technicality, he was found "Not Guilty". That means him and his lawyer convinced the twelve people who mattered. On to the third paragraph, you're a hardheaded idiot who is so self righteous that the truth could come up and kick you in the balls and you still wouldn't accept it.
Where are the logic and facts you you think so highly of?
PsyOps
06-29-2009, 09:40 PM
Interesting comments. Some people just have no idea how the courts work and how MJ got off. OK, bad use of words. If kids wanted to make up stories like this to get money, why doesn't it happen more often to other celebrities? Anyone with a little bit of a brain should be able to come to come to the conclusion that MJ was a little strange, liked to have little boys over lured them into his bed. I love his music and he was a great performer. I have a few DVD collections of him and will enjoy watching them from time to time but there is no doubt in my mind he had a dark side. The MJ who liked little boys.
If you really believe he is innocent, then you are probably the type who thinks OJ was innocent and think the Easter Bunny is real. I guess there's nothing we normal people can say to get through to you.
Have you ever considered it was a setup by the parents because they saw MJ as an easy cash cow? I think the whole thing looked really bad and I’m not prepared to say MJ is innocent. But the evil that exists in this world to conjure up ways to con wealthy people out of their money is astounding. It seems MJ made himself an easy target.
Highlander
06-29-2009, 09:41 PM
Just why would I have to let my kids sleep at his house? It makes you sound like a moron to even say such idiotic things. The second paragraph, there was no technicality, he was found "Not Guilty". That means him and his lawyer convinced the twelve people who mattered. On to the third paragraph, you're a hardheaded idiot who is so self righteous that the truth could come up and kick you in the balls and you still wouldn't accept it.
Where are the logic and facts you you think so highly of?
Never mind. I can see you are an idiot. You suggested I watch a movie. I suggested you watch reality. What was I thinking!
PsyOps
06-29-2009, 09:45 PM
So, would you have let your kids sleep at his house? If you really think he was innocent, you would have to answer yes
So, would you have let your kids sleep at his house? If you really think he was innocent, you would have to answer yes. .
I wouldn’t let my kids sleep over with an adult even if they were innocent of anything. It’s a extremely strange. I don’t think anyone disagrees with that. I mean who the heck are these parents that put their kids in this situation anyway?
Do you know how many people get off due to a technicality? You know, maybe one little mistake the cops made. Or one little piece of evidence that disappeared.
So what was the technicality that got MJ off (oh cripes!)?
Highlander
06-29-2009, 09:48 PM
Have you ever considered it was a setup by the parents because they saw MJ as an easy cash cow? I think the whole thing looked really bad and I’m not prepared to say MJ is innocent. But the evil that exists in this world to conjure up ways to con wealthy people out of their money is astounding. It seems MJ made himself an easy target.
Where the heck did you get that theory? I like it though. I think I'm going to go tell the world that Bill Gates fondled me as a kid. Maybe, I'll go for Donald Trump. Or both. Damn, why didn't I think of that earlier? I will still never understand why anyone with half a brain would think MJ was innocent. It's just crazy.
Highlander
06-29-2009, 09:55 PM
Not worth the battle people. Just read the poll results. If you don't like them, sign on as our MPDs and boost the numbers in your favor. I will sleep well tonight knowing that my opinion is shared by the majority.
PsyOps
06-29-2009, 09:55 PM
Where the heck did you get that theory? I like it though. I think I'm going to go tell the world that Bill Gates fondled me as a kid. Maybe, I'll go for Donald Trump. Or both. Damn, why didn't I think of that earlier? I will still never understand why anyone with half a brain would think MJ was innocent. It's just crazy.
You could do it, and for a time have people believing it if you were able to get enough media attention in your favor. It's not hard to accuse someone of molestation. I don't think there is a statute to limitations in any state for rape or child abuse (at least I know it is in MD); so someone can go back 10 years and accuse you of molesting them, report it to CPS and you'd have cops cuffing you and hauling you in and the your life will be ruined. The person doesn't need evidence or witnesses. Just a simple accusation.
As I wrote before, I don't have a clue if he's innocent or guilty. The courts found him not guilty. We are stuck with that. My larger point is how this guy, from his childhood, was abused by (probably) dozens of people, especially his father. His is a sad story from the beginning. It doesn't excuse his bizarre behavior; but it does explain it.
PsyOps
06-29-2009, 10:03 PM
Not worth the battle people. Just read the poll results. If you don't like them, sign on as our MPDs and boost the numbers in your favor. I will sleep well tonight knowing that my opinion is shared by the majority.
Very impressive poll. A whole 50 people voted. :bigwhoop: How many members on the SOMD forum? In the hundreds I would guess.
Merlin99
06-29-2009, 10:34 PM
Have you ever considered it was a setup by the parents because they saw MJ as an easy cash cow? I think the whole thing looked really bad and I’m not prepared to say MJ is innocent. But the evil that exists in this world to conjure up ways to con wealthy people out of their money is astounding. It seems MJ made himself an easy target.
He's incapable of considering anything but his own view, critical thinking is not his forte'.
I have no idea whether he did or not. If he did, may he rot in hell for it.
I don't know what happened to him 25-30 years ago, but to watch videos of him back then & see a perfectly normal looking person and compare that to how he ended up - it's just beyond my comprehension as to how or why it happened.
eddy1
06-30-2009, 08:52 AM
I'll tell you what's defenseless is the abuse MJ had to put up with all of his life, especially as a child. He was a screwed up human being because of it. To the end people were taking advantage of him. I have no clue if MJ molested any children. And no one on this forum knows this for a fact either. You either believe he did or didn't or just aren't sure.
You want to make jokes about something? Make jokes about the parents that ripped this poor kid from his childhood, abused him when he didn't perform to dad's liking and forced to do what he probably didn't want to do. Over time I'm certain the years of brainwashing into believing this was all he was born to do put him a place that he couldn't escape.
But the bigots will ignore this for their own pleasure to mount further abuse on someone that had zero control over his life. Especially now that he's gone.
I think it's sad that people are finding this as an opportunity to plague this forum (and other places) with jokes about a person that lived a painful and pathetic life. Makes me wonder what THOSE people have hidden in their closets.
And don't you find it ironic that the person that represented the highest level of success in the entertainment industry also lived the highest level of mental pain? His death doesn't make me sad. His life does.
Let me ask you something. Was anyboy ever convicted of abusing Michael Jackson? No. But here you are, taking the side of a person who was accused by multiple children of molesting them.
But lets say your information about Michael Jackson is correct and he was abused. Did you know, one of the traits found in many child molester is someone who was abused as a child.
Thank you for proving my point.
Larry Gude
06-30-2009, 08:57 AM
I'll tell you what's defenseless is the abuse MJ had to put up with all of his life, especially as a child. He was a screwed up human being because of it. To the end people were taking advantage of him. I have no clue if MJ molested any children. And no one on this forum knows this for a fact either. You either believe he did or didn't or just aren't sure.
You want to make jokes about something? Make jokes about the parents that ripped this poor kid from his childhood, abused him when he didn't perform to dad's liking and forced to do what he probably didn't want to do. Over time I'm certain the years of brainwashing into believing this was all he was born to do put him a place that he couldn't escape.
But the bigots will ignore this for their own pleasure to mount further abuse on someone that had zero control over his life. Especially now that he's gone.
And don't you find it ironic that the person that represented the highest level of success in the entertainment industry also lived the highest level of mental pain? His death doesn't make me sad. His life does.
I agree with your whole point EXCEPT that he had ZERO control over his life. At some point, it became his responsibility. There is no doubt that his childhood colors his entire life, however, the definition of an adult is getting over it and moving on and bettering your life, breaking the chains, so to speak.
PsyOps
06-30-2009, 09:06 AM
I agree with your whole point EXCEPT that he had ZERO control over his life. At some point, it became his responsibility. There is no doubt that his childhood colors his entire life, however, the definition of an adult is getting over it and moving on and bettering your life, breaking the chains, so to speak.
It's being reported on Fox this morning that MJ left his dad out of his will. This explains a lot. But I think I caveated (is that a word?) my explanation of his behavior with this (http://forums.somd.com/3835209-post26.html): "It doesn't excuse his bizarre behavior; but it does explain it." I don't try to make excuses for adults' bad behavior. In the end we are ALL responsible for our own actions, no doubt. But I do believe there are explanations. MJ should have taken every advantage available to him (and there were plenty) to get his head on right. He sadly chose the way of Elvis.
eddy1
06-30-2009, 09:14 AM
It's being reported on Fox this morning that MJ left his dad out of his will. This explains a lot. But I think I caveated (is that a word?) my explanation of his behavior with this (http://forums.somd.com/3835209-post26.html): "It doesn't excuse his bizarre behavior; but it does explain it." I don't try to make excuses for adults' bad behavior. In the end we are ALL responsible for our own actions, no doubt. But I do believe there are explanations. MJ should have taken every advantage available to him (and there were plenty) to get his head on right. He sadly chose the way of Elvis.
Thank God he can harm no other children.
Larry Gude
06-30-2009, 09:16 AM
It's being reported on Fox this morning that MJ left his dad out of his will. This explains a lot. But I think I caveated (is that a word?) my explanation of his behavior with this (http://forums.somd.com/3835209-post26.html): "It doesn't excuse his bizarre behavior; but it does explain it." I don't try to make excuses for adults' bad behavior. In the end we are ALL responsible for our own actions, no doubt. But I do believe there are explanations. MJ should have taken every advantage available to him (and there were plenty) to get his head on right. He sadly chose the way of Elvis.
You said he had zero control. That's all I am commenting on. The rest I agree with.
Larry Gude
06-30-2009, 09:16 AM
Thank God he can harm no other children.
Care to comment on the parents that would allow their kids to be in his care?
PsyOps
06-30-2009, 09:36 AM
Let me ask you something. Was anyboy ever convicted of abusing Michael Jackson? No. But here you are, taking the side of a person who was accused by multiple children of molesting them.
But lets say your information about Michael Jackson is correct and he was abused. Did you know, that a person who is a victim of physical abuse by a parent is more likely to commit sex crimes.
Thank you for proving my point.
If you read my posts correctly you will see that I am NOT taking sides. I simply don't know if MJ did what he was accused of. I'm not (and neither are you) in a position to say because I wasn't there. He was found innocent. We are stuck with that.
We all know, though, that he was an abused child (primarily by his dad). You can draw conclusions about this based on information you’ve read, but that doesn’t mean you are right. It only means you have convinced yourself that MJ had to be guilty because… I know a few people that were abused that resorted to a variety of different ill-behaviors: drinking, drugs, physical abuse; and I know some of them exhibited no ill behavior at all. My mother is one of them. She grew up with an alcoholic father that was abusive on a routine basis. You will not meet a kinder, more gentle, and loving person in your life. How do you explain that, given your belief that people that are physically abused are more likely to commit sex crimes?
And let me reiterate, I'm not trying to prove or disprove anything. I'm simply saying that MJ had a pained life from childhood. Hundreds of people took advantage of him. I don’t find that as an opportunity to entertain myself with shameful jokes. From all I saw from MJ I saw a simple mind, almost child-like. This could have been a front; but I just don’t know. I know he was a genius on stage; one of greatest entertainers this country has ever had; but still a very screwed up person. If you’ve ever read about Mozart you’d know that this kind of genius and mental chaos can exist in the same brain.
So the only thing I have proven (or confirmed) is your belief that MJ is guilty of sex crimes. Consider this… Why? Why would someone resort to this? Do you these believe people are innately evil? Or do they suffer from some sort of disorder? I could never consider someone that commits such crimes as sane. Would you?
PsyOps
06-30-2009, 09:37 AM
You said he had zero control. That's all I am commenting on. The rest I agree with.
Yeah, poor choice of words. He took zero control over his life.
Larry Gude
06-30-2009, 09:38 AM
Yeah, poor choice of words. He took zero control over his life.
Touchdown!
I don't quibble for the sake of quibbling. Far too many believe they have no control at 30; it's not their fault. Non sense.
Important point.
PsyOps
06-30-2009, 09:48 AM
Touchdown!
I don't quibble for the sake of quibbling. Far too many believe they have no control at 30; it's not their fault. Non sense.
Important point.
The one caveat to that may be addiction. People with addiction are controlled by that substance and need help. MJ seemed to be addicted to a variety of drugs. Although they still have to make that individual decision to identify the problem they will still need help. MJ had a compounding of substance and mental problems that I’m not prepared to begin to define how you solve them. I’m just at a point where I think he was a plane in a flat spin and just couldn’t get control over it. He seemed to have a lot of enablers as well, which had no interest in his well-being. How someone gets control over all of this I just don’t know.
Again… not excusing it; just trying to explain it.
Larry Gude
06-30-2009, 09:51 AM
The one caveat to that may be addiction. People with addiction are controlled by that substance and need help. MJ seemed to be addicted to a variety of drugs. Although they still have to make that individual decision to identify the problem they will still need help. MJ had a compounding of substance and mental problems that I’m not prepared to begin to define how you solve them. I’m just at a point where I think he was a plane in a flat spin and just couldn’t get control over it. He seemed to have a lot of enablers as well, which had no interest in his well-being. How someone gets control over all of this I just don’t know.
Again… not excusing it; just trying to explain it.
Same point; MJ could have chosen to go to AA or a clinic or climb a mountain and live with monks to get clean.
PsyOps
06-30-2009, 10:11 AM
Same point; MJ could have chosen to go to AA or a clinic or climb a mountain and live with monks to get clean.
I'm trying to keep this in that context. But I keep coming back to a person that lived a life of abuse on a variety of levels going all the way back to childhood. We are looking at a person that may not have been able to put things in their logical order to even begin to know how identify, let alone solve, these problems. Could it be possible that MJ had some mental disorders that prevented him from being able to even identify that he had a problem? And in the interest of keeping him out there on that stage to pump more music into our ears, to make that next million, no one, NOT ONE PERSON in his life had HIS best interest in mind to make sure he was safe. I mean when you watch interviews of this guy do you see a guy that is mentally all there; someone able to solve his own problems?
Larry Gude
06-30-2009, 10:21 AM
I'm trying to keep this in that context. But I keep coming back to a person that lived a life of abuse on a variety of levels going all the way back to childhood. We are looking at a person that may not have been able to put things in their logical order to even begin to know how identify, let alone solve, these problems. Could it be possible that MJ had some mental disorders that prevented him from being able to even identify that he had a problem? And in the interest of keeping him out there on that stage to pump more music into our ears, to make that next million, no one, NOT ONE PERSON in his life had HIS best interest in mind to make sure he was safe. I mean when you watch interviews of this guy do you see a guy that is mentally all there; someone able to solve his own problems?
We're either gonna make excuse for him or we're not. I am NOT saying it woulda been an easy fix for him or anyone else. I am saying that, at some point, call it the first $100 mil, he could have started distancing himself from the life. At the end of the day, we have an adult all too happy to live the life of a pampered superstar and he made that choice between that and getting well.
PsyOps
06-30-2009, 10:36 AM
We're either gonna make excuse for him or we're not. I am NOT saying it woulda been an easy fix for him or anyone else. I am saying that, at some point, call it the first $100 mil, he could have started distancing himself from the life. At the end of the day, we have an adult all too happy to live the life of a pampered superstar and he made that choice between that and getting well.
I keep trying to say "not an excuse, but an explanation". MJ is accountable to MJ. If he had been found guilty of child molestation I would have been the first there to say "punish the guy". There's always that possibility that he had some pretty serious mental problems; which - IMHO - were pretty evident. If you know anyone with mental disabilities you would know that changes everything in terms of their ability to make so many rational decisions on their own.
Larry Gude
06-30-2009, 10:41 AM
I keep trying to say "not an excuse, but an explanation". MJ is accountable to MJ. If he had been found guilty of child molestation I would have been the first there to say "punish the guy". There's always that possibility that he had some pretty serious mental problems; which - IMHO - were pretty evident. If you know anyone with mental disabilities you would know that changes everything in terms of their ability to make so many rational decisions on their own.
What the hell are we arguing about?
PsyOps
06-30-2009, 11:22 AM
What the hell are we arguing about?
Does everything have to be in the context of an argument? I consider this a discussion. I'm not arguing against your points. I'm simply trying to point out another way of looking at this. You can either think about it or dismiss it. Doesn't much matter to me one way or the other.
Larry Gude
06-30-2009, 11:39 AM
Does everything have to be in the context of an argument? I consider this a discussion. I'm not arguing against your points. I'm simply trying to point out another way of looking at this. You can either think about it or dismiss it. Doesn't much matter to me one way or the other.
I use the word argue in the same context; debate, discussion. Now, you're getting pissy about it. :lol:
PsyOps
06-30-2009, 11:42 AM
I use the word argue in the same context; debate, discussion. Now, you're getting pissy about it. :lol:
Yeah. I had a bad weekend and I'm going to take it out on someone. Thanks for being there Larry. :biggrin:
eddy1
06-30-2009, 04:43 PM
Care to comment on the parents that would allow their kids to be in his care?
I think any parent who would leave their children in his care are as equally culpable. I think they are abhorent parents, and I wish there were a way to punish them.
eddy1
06-30-2009, 04:50 PM
My mother is one of them. She grew up with an alcoholic father that was abusive on a routine basis. You will not meet a kinder, more gentle, and loving person in your life. How do you explain that, given your belief that people that are physically abused are more likely to commit sex crimes?
I am not saying that if you are abused, you will abuse. A common characteristic of someone who abuses children is having been physically or sexually abused themselves. Same common characteristic of other types of criminals.
And let me reiterate, I'm not trying to prove or disprove anything. I'm simply saying that MJ had a pained life from childhood. Hundreds of people took advantage of him. I don’t find that as an opportunity to entertain myself with shameful jokes. From all I saw from MJ I saw a simple mind, almost child-like. This could have been a front; but I just don’t know. I know he was a genius on stage; one of greatest entertainers this country has ever had; but still a very screwed up person. If you’ve ever read about Mozart you’d know that this kind of genius and mental chaos can exist in the same brain.
But you said it yourself. Your mother was a loving caring person. She did whatever she needed to do to deal with those demons. This guy had all the resources in the world and chose not to deal. He was complete scum.
Why? Why would someone resort to this? Do you these believe people are innately evil? Or do they suffer from some sort of disorder? I could never consider someone that commits such crimes as sane. Would you?
I believe people who commit this crime have some sort of disorder. But there are people out there with disorders, alcoholics, drug addicts, etc, who find methods to cope with their disorders. He chose not to! May he rot in hell.
We're either gonna make excuse for him or we're not. I am NOT saying it woulda been an easy fix for him or anyone else. I am saying that, at some point, call it the first $100 mil, he could have started distancing himself from the life. At the end of the day, we have an adult all too happy to live the life of a pampered superstar and he made that choice between that and getting well.
I keep trying to say "not an excuse, but an explanation". MJ is accountable to MJ. If he had been found guilty of child molestation I would have been the first there to say "punish the guy". There's always that possibility that he had some pretty serious mental problems; which - IMHO - were pretty evident. If you know anyone with mental disabilities you would know that changes everything in terms of their ability to make so many rational decisions on their own.
Does everything have to be in the context of an argument? I consider this a discussion. I'm not arguing against your points. I'm simply trying to point out another way of looking at this. You can either think about it or dismiss it. Doesn't much matter to me one way or the other.
I use the word argue in the same context; debate, discussion. Now, you're getting pissy about it. :lol:
I agree with all of y'all's (Larry & Psyops) posts in here today. I don't have time to itemize all the points - I'm in between picking up kids at camps and stuff.
From viewing some of the videos spanning his career, I have been stunned at the transformation of his appearance. I saw it over the years, but to see the progression in various performances in a period of about an hour or so - it is quite stunning. I have no earthly idea what kind of mental illness can cause a person to do that to themselves. (besides the fact that Drs. did it and people never tried to stop him from himself, which I know opens a whole new can of worms.)
I can say this much about the whole spectacle his death has become - pay attention to Joseph Jackson. His actions since MJ died have been quite enlightening.
Follow the money. (or the promise of it)
eddy1
07-01-2009, 10:43 AM
Everybody is evil except Michael.
PsyOps
07-01-2009, 12:29 PM
Everybody is evil except Michael.
Maybe it was a team effort of evil people and MJ was the ring leader. :rolleyes:
eddy1
07-01-2009, 03:09 PM
Maybe it was a team effort of evil people and MJ was the ring leader. :rolleyes:
I'm ok with that as long as we agree he was evil.
PsyOps
07-01-2009, 04:27 PM
I'm ok with that as long as we agree he was evil.
I guess you missed the ----> :rolleyes:
I agree with all of y'all's (Larry & Psyops) posts in here today. I don't have time to itemize all the points - I'm in between picking up kids at camps and stuff.
From viewing some of the videos spanning his career, I have been stunned at the transformation of his appearance. I saw it over the years, but to see the progression in various performances in a period of about an hour or so - it is quite stunning. I have no earthly idea what kind of mental illness can cause a person to do that to themselves. (besides the fact that Drs. did it and people never tried to stop him from himself, which I know opens a whole new can of worms.)
I can say this much about the whole spectacle his death has become - pay attention to Joseph Jackson. His actions since MJ died have been quite enlightening.
Follow the money. (or the promise of it)
Self mutilation :shrug:
Godblesdon1218
07-02-2009, 04:50 AM
I do not think Michael Jackson molested children, I think that the people that accused him were money hungry. I think he did not get a chance to live his childhood because he was constantly being worked so hard to make money for his father. I think he was someone who was f'd in the head from all of the abuse he suffered at the hands of his DaD. I think he loved children and wanted to brighten their lives and by doing this, it brightened his. He also probably could never trust people, children have a way of bringing happiness to people. They do not gossup like adults do and say hurtful things. I guess everyone has different feelings .
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