On base, any way. Seems my 1994 MSF cert is no longer adequate for base access, and I must take an experienced rider course with a sport-bike flavor. Many moons ago I would strafe an apex with a knee dragging while applying just the right amount of back brake- I rather doubt these skills will come up in the course. Anyone taken it? What to expect?
TIA,
Ed

Damn, ed:) Let me know how that works. I wasnt on the hit list at the gate, so I'm good:razz: Not to mention, my ride isnt the corner shredder yours is. The deciding factor for sportbikes is if your feet are behind your CG, its a sportbike. Thats what the new regs say.


What they cover? Dunno.

I know they teacher higher speed skills unlike the standard MSF course where you might get up to 30 mph. Other than that, I don't know.

I took the course right after they put out the new instruction, so I'm good for a little while. :razz:

my ride isnt the corner shredder yours is.

Yes, it is.
All it takes is the nads to lean it over and then lean it over some more :lol:

Haven't scraped a peg yet, but I have pushed this farther than any bike I've had before, and will keep doing so, careful, of course. I learned my cars limits using identical cars supplied by Dodge on racetracks, and low speed handling courses, I don't have that luxury with the bike, so its a slow learning curve:)

My chicken strips do get smaller every time I ride, but just a little each time. about an 1 inch to 3/4 right now, Ive dropped them an inch in this last two weeks.

Yes, it is.
All it takes is the nads to lean it over and then lean it over some more :lol:

:lol: Should have seen me in the roundabout on Rt 2 going to Annapolis... big bikes can still shred....

On base, any way. Seems my 1994 MSF cert is no longer adequate for base access, and I must take an experienced rider course with a sport-bike flavor. Many moons ago I would strafe an apex with a knee dragging while applying just the right amount of back brake- I rather doubt these skills will come up in the course. Anyone taken it? What to expect?
TIA,
Ed

So how did they bust you out on that? Others in your situation want to know!

:lol: Should have seen me in the roundabout on Rt 2 going to Annapolis... big boys can still shred....

:lmao:

So how did they bust you out on that? Others in your situation want to know!

Not sure how they generated the list, but last week, the guards had a list at the gate, and if you rode through, they stopped and bounced your name against the list.

Not sure how they generated the list, but last week, the guards had a list at the gate, and if you rode through, they stopped and bounced your name against the list.

I would guess that it was based on when you got decals (after X date, they start looking at and maybe even recording the date of your MSF card), but it didn't look like the list was very long...

Yeah, only 20-30 names, tops.

On base, any way. Seems my 1994 MSF cert is no longer adequate for base access, and I must take an experienced rider course with a sport-bike flavor. Many moons ago I would strafe an apex with a knee dragging while applying just the right amount of back brake- I rather doubt these skills will come up in the course. Anyone taken it? What to expect?
TIA,
Ed

Yea I took it last year because my 1985 certificate was not good enough. It was OK but nothing to write home about. It was basically the Rider Basic course with a few more events. The only "high speed" (35mph) exercise I can remember was the swerve test and the emergency brake. They rest was the typical slow work. Slalom, figure 8, corner turn and on and on. Basically it was a loooooooooong, hot waste of my time.

Yea I took it last year because my 1985 certificate was not good enough. It was OK but nothing to write home about. It was basically the Rider Basic course with a few more events. The only "high speed" (35mph) exercise I can remember was the swerve test and the emergency brake. They rest was the typical slow work. Slalom, figure 8, corner turn and on and on. Basically it was a loooooooooong, hot waste of my time.

He's talking about a different course. They have a special course now specifically designed for sport bike riders, but others can take it as well. In fact, next time I take the class, I might go for the sport bike one.

He's talking about a different course. They have a special course now specifically designed for sport bike riders, but others can take it as well. In fact, next time I take the class, I might go for the sport bike one.

I have a "Sport Full Dresser"! The cup holder is on a swivel to allow for tilting during high speed leans without spilling your drink.

I did not know they had the curriculum developed for the sport bike class. Last year they just did one size fits all.

Yeah, only 20-30 names, tops.

So are they targeting sport bikes?

I've taken the Experienced Rider Course by MSF... It was a good course - even for an already experienced rider.

So are they targeting sport bikes?

the young vets returning from Iraq/Afghanistan with a pocket full of money and few ways to get the big shot of adrenaline they're used to, seem to like high performance sport bikes. Their attrition rate has been close to the combat losses.

the young vets returning from Iraq/Afghanistan with a pocket full of money and few ways to get the big shot of adrenaline they're used to, seem to like high performance sport bikes. Their attrition rate has been close to the combat losses.

That is a very true statement. The second day I was home - I bought one. :) No other way to get that rush.

the young vets returning from Iraq/Afghanistan with a pocket full of money and few ways to get the big shot of adrenaline they're used to, seem to like high performance sport bikes. Their attrition rate has been close to the combat losses.

And the Navy is now offering a sport bike class.

I have a "Sport Full Dresser"! The cup holder is on a swivel to allow for tilting during high speed leans without spilling your drink.

I did not know they had the curriculum developed for the sport bike class. Last year they just did one size fits all.





Yeah, but someone finally looked at the stats, and "sportbikes" accounted for a ridiculously high number of military rider fatalitites. Stands to reason, those bike attract the young adreneline junkies, the live on the edge types. And, modern sportbikes being as twitchy as they are, once you do get over the edge, theres no warning, your just done.

So the military got together with the MSF folks and asked for a course to tailored to the military riders. And this was the result

New! Military Sport Bike Training Course (http://www.safetycenter.navy.mil/media/seashore/SmartRide/newcourse_sportbike.htm)

I was caught renewing my base sticker. It's OK, I'm enrolled for the second week in August- going to be nasty hot no doubt. The up side is I don't have to take a leave day to participate- it's on a Tuesday- and I can log the training. The course is good for three years. Attached is a copy of the instruction.

Did they make you turn around at the gate and deny you entrance or give you a temporary pass?

I was caught renewing my base sticker. It's OK, I'm enrolled for the second week in August- going to be nasty hot no doubt. The up side is I don't have to take a leave day to participate- it's on a Tuesday- and I can log the training. The course is good for three years. Attached is a copy of the instruction.

Which course, the ERC? I might try and get in, depending on how they handle contractors. Or retired guys.

I was just talking to a guy about this last week. He was a former MSF instructor on base in Germany.

He said the sport bike class is basically the same instruction/riding test as the experienced riders class.

You know how it is the Navy just wants to say its doing all it can to cut down on motorcycle fatalities/injuries before it finally bans them altogether "well we did all that we could do".

I was caught renewing my base sticker. It's OK, I'm enrolled for the second week in August- going to be nasty hot no doubt. The up side is I don't have to take a leave day to participate- it's on a Tuesday- and I can log the training. The course is good for three years. Attached is a copy of the instruction.

The course is good for three years on all but sport bikes.. Sport Bikes have to return EVERY year..

I couldn't get a base pass without a reserved seat in the class. Call 2-4247 to reserve a spot; I think a retiree will have a lower priority than a GS or contractor. I'll keep an open mind, but I'm way too used to the Navy punishing the many for the sins of the few. I didn't see an annual requirement for sport riders in the instruction, just a 60 day window from date of purchase.

Bob, looking through the instruction, I agree with Ed, doesnt appear that the SB riders are annual, every three like everyone else. Ed, was that the Experienced Rider Course? Or the Sport Bike Rider Course?

Which course, the ERC? I might try and get in, depending on how they handle contractors. Or retired guys.

I did it in March, wouldn't mind doing it again on this bike.

The old bike I was having a good time.. Doing the U's in the SMALL box.. Did get yelled at to slow down though.

I couldn't get a base pass without a reserved seat in the class. Call 2-4247 to reserve a spot; I think a retiree will have a lower priority than a GS or contractor. I'll keep an open mind, but I'm way too used to the Navy punishing the many for the sins of the few. I didn't see an annual requirement for sport riders in the instruction, just a 60 day window from date of purchase.

Do you have a link to the Instruction?? I can never find the one to print out that has the shoe/boot requirement to carry with me..

I took ERC in March.. and they parroted the "Every Year for Sports Bikes"..

I did it in March, wouldn't mind doing it again on this bike.

The old bike I was having a good time.. Doing the U's in the SMALL box.. Did get yelled at to slow down though.

During practice, I was doing the 8's with plenty of room to spare. Get to the actual test...hit the line :doh:

Bob, look at post #21, Ed attached it, the instruction that is. I was asking Ed if the ones he's taking is the ERC. He and I know each other from way back and it would be cool to take with a buddy.

The course is good for three years on all but sport bikes.. Sport Bikes have to return EVERY year..

Harrasment. Plain and simple.

I couldn't get a base pass without a reserved seat in the class. Call 2-4247 to reserve a spot; I think a retiree will have a lower priority than a GS or contractor. I'll keep an open mind, but I'm way too used to the Navy punishing the many for the sins of the few. I didn't see an annual requirement for sport riders in the instruction, just a 60 day window from date of purchase.

OMG, the bottom of the barrel!:lmao:I was told I could show up and hope for someone to drop dead, or out, or something like that.

Harrasment. Plain and simple.



OMG, the bottom of the barrel!:lmao:I was told I could show up and hope for someone to drop dead, or out, or something like that.

They turned two or three scheduled students away the day of our class.. One showed up without his license AND registration.. (Naval Officer, not too bright)

They turned two or three scheduled students away the day of our class.. One showed up without his license AND registration.. (Naval Officer, not too bright)

:lmao:

Do you have a link to the Instruction?? I can never find the one to print out that has the shoe/boot requirement to carry with me..

I took ERC in March.. and they parroted the "Every Year for Sports Bikes"..

Instruction attached to post #21. And oh, great. Another slow handling BS course, exactly what I was thinking it would be. Yay. I'll bet they want me to slow with my back brake, then my front brake, then both to show me the difference.
1. I'm not on a race track, I always use both brakes.
2. It's moot anyway, the CBR1100XX has linked brakes.
3. Would they vapor-lock if I did a stoppie? Just for fun...:lmao:

Bob, look at post #21, Ed attached it, the instruction that is. I was asking Ed if the ones he's taking is the ERC. He and I know each other from way back and it would be cool to take with a buddy.

I'm signed up for the Military Sportbike Rider class on 8/11/09 in Bld 588. Starts at 0730, too. :faint: Call for your quota tomorrow!

Not ME!!!!! Not Sportbike for me. I hear tell them things are dangerous:jameo:

Not ME!!!!! Not Sportbike for me. I hear tell them things are dangerous:jameo:

Naw, the twitter-pated cagers are dangerous. :razz: Man up and sign up, every bike can be a "sportbike". Some just do it better than others....

I love you like a brother, :buddies::alkies:but not enough to share the basics again:neener:

I'll bet they want me to slow with my back brake, then my front brake, then both to show me the difference.I doubt it. They usually just say that you have to use both...which I didn't like. My BMW has linked brakes as well if you use the "front" brake and it will distribute the braking power much better than I ever could. I'd only touch the back brake on mine if I was riding in dirt/gravel.
3. Would they vapor-lock if I did a stoppie? Just for fun...:lmao:They might fail you on the spot...just for fun :razz:

I doubt it. They usually just say that you have to use both...which I didn't like. My BMW has linked brakes as well if you use the "front" brake and it will distribute the braking power much better than I ever could. I'd only touch the back brake on mine if I was riding in dirt/gravel.
They might fail you on the spot...just for fun :razz:

Well after reading this whole list of posts, I am glad to hear that the Navy is taking the screws to all riders just like the USAF. I am not a SB Rider and I am getting tired of getting an almost weekly brief about SB's and the danger associated. We filled out a form here that forfeits our SGLI and other benes if something happens to us on any bike while not wearing the USAF Required Safety Gear. Has the Navy done that to their AD and Reserve riders?

I doubt it. They usually just say that you have to use both...which I didn't like. My BMW has linked brakes as well if you use the "front" brake and it will distribute the braking power much better than I ever could. I'd only touch the back brake on mine if I was riding in dirt/gravel.
They might fail you on the spot...just for fun :razz:

Humor is your friend, and you need to practice your braking skills.:razz:

Well after reading this whole list of posts, I am glad to hear that the Navy is taking the screws to all riders just like the USAF. I am not a SB Rider and I am getting tired of getting an almost weekly brief about SB's and the danger associated. We filled out a form here that forfeits our SGLI and other benes if something happens to us on any bike while not wearing the USAF Required Safety Gear. Has the Navy done that to their AD and Reserve riders?



Hmmmmm.

Myths and Rumors About SGLI/VGLI Insurance (U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs) (http://www.insurance.va.gov/SGLISITE/SGLI/mythsRumors.htm)

True or False: SGLI or VGLI won't pay if I die in a motorcycle accident and I was not wearing a helmet.

False: Your SGLI or VGLI proceeds will be paid to your beneficiary or beneficiaries, regardless of whether you were or were not wearing a helmet.



See, heres where it gets tricky. They do thier best to make you think you will not get then benefits, without ever actually saying categoricaly you wont. Its mind game designed to get you to wear the gear, and they believe that a little misdirection in the name of good is acceptable.
In reality, your SGLI will be paid. What that statement says is, I'll bet is like this.....

I understand that failure to comply with Aie Force regulations could result in my loss of motorcycle driving privileges. If I am involved in a motorcycle accident and I have violated any of the military regulations governing motorcycles, I could be held liable for all medical cost that I incur. Additionally, if I violate any of the requirements and sustain fatal injuries, my survivors could be denied military benefits, including SGLI.



Now, will they hold you liable for medical? Dont know for sure, but I never saw such a case. And the VA says they pay regardless. Dont get me wrong, I advocate full safety gear, I just hate to see games played like this. Oh, and I dont view orange vests as safety gear. I avoid cars, counting on them seeing and avoinding me is a sucker bet.

Well after reading this whole list of posts, I am glad to hear that the Navy is taking the screws to all riders just like the USAF. I am not a SB Rider and I am getting tired of getting an almost weekly brief about SB's and the danger associated. We filled out a form here that forfeits our SGLI and other benes if something happens to us on any bike while not wearing the USAF Required Safety Gear. Has the Navy done that to their AD and Reserve riders?

You must be a blast at parties, too.:buttkick:

Humor is your friend, and you need to practice your braking skills.:razz:

I got the humor and was giving humor back :rolleyes:

I got the humor and was giving humor back :rolleyes:

In that case, humor accepted! :buddies:

Hmmmmm.

Myths and Rumors About SGLI/VGLI Insurance (U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs) (http://www.insurance.va.gov/SGLISITE/SGLI/mythsRumors.htm)




See, heres where it gets tricky. They do thier best to make you think you will not get then benefits, without ever actually saying categoricaly you wont. Its mind game designed to get you to wear the gear, and they believe that a little misdirection in the name of good is acceptable.
In reality, your SGLI will be paid. What that statement says is, I'll bet is like this.....




Now, will they hold you liable for medical? Dont know for sure, but I never saw such a case. And the VA says they pay regardless. Dont get me wrong, I advocate full safety gear, I just hate to see games played like this. Oh, and I dont view orange vests as safety gear. I avoid cars, counting on them seeing and avoinding me is a sucker bet.

As a whole I agree with the base requirement of clothing for riders, but I am in the same thought as you I do not agree with a vest being the reason of why or why not I would be in an accident. I did not think that they could fully withhold benefits, but that is what they are telling us here.

You must be a blast at parties, too.:buttkick:

:ohwell: I can be, but I am honestly interested in hearing what y'all that ride onto Pax deal with as I am hoping to eventually find a job down there. From what I have gathered so far it sounds very similar. Do they require base stickers on bikes or is an ID and a current MSF Card sufficient?

Yep, I am mostly geared up for every ride. only place I slack sometimes is footwear and pants. Always have gloves, always have a full face helmet and my CE armored jacket, every time. Most times I wear my old flight boots, sometimes just hard soled shoes, and jeans or my dockers for work.

Yep, I am mostly geared up for every ride. only place I slack sometimes is footwear and pants. Always have gloves, always have a full face helmet and my CE armored jacket, every time. Most times I wear my old flight boots, sometimes just hard soled shoes, and jeans or my dockers for work.

Sounds like a winning combination. Unfortunately they do not provide common sense when getting any form of a drivers license. I just shake my head at the guys that I see running around in either shorts or wind pants.

:ohwell: I can be, but I am honestly interested in hearing what y'all that ride onto Pax deal with as I am hoping to eventually find a job down there. From what I have gathered so far it sounds very similar. Do they require base stickers on bikes or is an ID and a current MSF Card sufficient?

Stickers are required too.

Stickers are required too.

Thats stupid! We are allowed 2 vehicle decals at AAFB and my HD is my 3rd vehicle. So I would need a visitors pass everytime that I went down there. I will just drive my gas suckers on Pax!

No limit on stickers here, get as many as you have vehicles to put them on.

Andrews still does stickers? I thought all Air Force and Army had gone away from that, seeing as we are all %100 ID check at all times.

No limit on stickers here, get as many as you have vehicles to put them on.

Andrews still does stickers? I thought all Air Force and Army had gone away from that, seeing as we are all %100 ID check at all times.

Andrews is optional. But when I have driven to other installations I would be forced to get a temp pass even at other USAF Bases. So I broke down and got my stickers for my trucks. But we are still supposed to only have 2 stickers by some policy here.