Today, I saw a guy walking down 235 carrying a sign that said, "Jesus is Coming. Are You Ready?" and all I could think of was that I still have to clean the house and fix dinner....so I guess I'm not ready.

Today, I saw a guy walking down 235 carrying a sign that said, "Jesus is Coming. Are You Ready?" and all I could think of was that I still have to clean the house and fix dinner....so I guess I'm not ready.

No problem. Actually Jesus wouldn't mind stopping in at your place for dinner. Then He can help you get ready. But you must really want to invite Him in as your guest.

Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with them, and they with me. (Revelation 3:20) Today’s NIV

Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. (Revelation 3:20) KJV

Free-will is the choice to invite Jesus into your home and life or shut Him out.

No problem. Actually Jesus wouldn't mind stopping in at your place for dinner. Then He can help you get ready. But you must really want to invite Him in as your guest.

Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with them, and they with me. (Revelation 3:20) Today’s NIV

Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. (Revelation 3:20) KJV

Free-will is the choice to invite Jesus into your home and life or shut Him out.

We had Jesus here for dinner last night.

Dude left without saying thank you.
And never even said if it was any good.

We had Jesus here for dinner last night.

Dude left without saying thank you.
And never even said if it was any good.

Did he at least snap his fingers and clean your house?

We had Jesus here for dinner last night.

Dude left without saying thank you.
And never even said if it was any good.

We say thank you to Jesus every night.

We say thank you to Jesus every night.
Amen :yay:

Amen :yay:

May I add to that, an Amen? :howdy:

Did you have loaves of bread and fishes?

Did you have loaves of bread and fishes?

I betcha there was enough to feed 4,000 people! :lmao:

I betcha there was enough to feed 4,000 people! :lmao:

Yep! Actually, Jesus fed a total of at least 9,000!
4,000 during one gathering of followers and 5,000 during another gathering - PLUS they had baskets of food left over!

When I brake the five loaves among five thousand, how many baskets full of fragments took ye up? They say unto him, Twelve.
And when the seven among four thousand, how many baskets full of fragments took ye up? And they said, Seven. (Mark 8:19-20)

Fed 5,000:
And he commanded the multitude to sit down on the grass, and took the five loaves, and the two fishes, and looking up to heaven, he blessed, and brake, and gave the loaves to his disciples, and the disciples to the multitude.
And they did all eat, and were filled: and they took up of the fragments that remained twelve baskets full. And they that had eaten were about five thousand men, beside women and children. (Matthew 14:19-21)

Fed 4,000:
And he commanded the multitude to sit down on the ground.
And he took the seven loaves and the fishes, and gave thanks, and brake them, and gave to his disciples, and the disciples to the multitude.
And they did all eat, and were filled: and they took up of the broken meat that was left seven baskets full.
And they that did eat were four thousand men, beside women and children. (Matthew 15:35-38)


Jesus' Message to mankind:
And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst. (John 6:35)

We had Jesus here for dinner last night.

Dude left without saying thank you.

You didn't say thank you to Jesus? :smack:

And never even said if it was any good.

Did he look like this :barf: when he left?

You didn't say thank you to Jesus? :smack:



Did he look like this :barf: when he left?

Do you wonder why? :doh:

No problem. Actually Jesus wouldn't mind stopping in at your place for dinner. Then He can help you get ready. But you must really want to invite Him in as your guest.

Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with them, and they with me. (Revelation 3:20) Today’s NIV

Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. (Revelation 3:20) KJV

Free-will is the choice to invite Jesus into your home and life or shut Him out.\

Unless your heart is a church door, this is nonsense! This passage is talking about the door of a church.

Jesus isnt some poor pittyfull beggar standing out in the cold waiting for you to accept Him, you need him to accept you, and you need to give Him Lordship of your life, by repenting of your sin and putting your faith and trust soley in him, to save you from your sin.

Shame Shame, Starman you know better than to Twist scripture to make a point! Just because others do this dosent make it right.

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Unless your heart is a church door, this is nonsense! This passage is talking about the door of a church.

Jesus isnt some poor pittyfull beggar standing out in the cold waiting for you to accept Him, you need him to accept you, and you need to give Him Lordship of your life, by repenting of your sin and putting your faith and trust soley in him, to save you from your sin.

Shame Shame, Starman you know better than to Twist scripture to make a point! Just because others do this dosent make it right.


Hi Marie,

A person's heart is the "door" to openness and acceptance of another. In this verse, Jesus is saying that anyone who opens their heart to accept Him, He will come into their lives and share of sustenance of life that is spiritual food.

And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
(John 6:35)

When a person opens the door of their heart to Jesus, He then opens the door to Salvation and Eternal Life:

Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. (John 10:7-9)

Jesus "knocks on the door" of a person's heart through His Gospel Message but it is up to an individual to respond, go to their door and open up to accept and believe that Message. That is the beginning of a relationship that God wants to have with mankind - through Jesus and empowerment of His Holy Spirit.

"And the bread that I will give is my Flesh for the life of the world.
The Jews quarrelled among themselves, saying, "How can this man give us his flesh to eat?"
Jesus said, "Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His Blood, you do not have life within you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him."

I think we all agree that at the Last Supper Jesus took the bread in His sacres hands and said, "This is my Body...This is my Blood" etc. What we do not agree on is the magnitude of what was happening.

I would point out that in John we find Judas at the Last Supper with Jesus and the Apostles. The other Gospels share with us Jesus' blessing of the bread, and in that context we see the following:

Jn 13:27, "after he took the morsel, Satan entered him."

It is important to note that something significant happened when Judas partook of the Body of Christ without the discernment Paul speaks of in the Epistles. Satan did not "enter him" when he made his deal with the Pharisees, nor when he betrayed Jesus in the Garden. John, writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, was moved to say that Satan entered Judas at this moment.
Clearly something more than Wonder Bread is involved.

"And the bread that I will give is my Flesh for the life of the world.
The Jews quarrelled among themselves, saying, "How can this man give us his flesh to eat?"
Jesus said, "Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His Blood, you do not have life within you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him."

I think we all agree that at the Last Supper Jesus took the bread in His sacres hands and said, "This is my Body...This is my Blood" etc. What we do not agree on is the magnitude of what was happening.

I would point out that in John we find Judas at the Last Supper with Jesus and the Apostles. The other Gospels share with us Jesus' blessing of the bread, and in that context we see the following:

Jn 13:27, "after he took the morsel, Satan entered him."

It is important to note that something significant happened when Judas partook of the Body of Christ without the discernment Paul speaks of in the Epistles. Satan did not "enter him" when he made his deal with the Pharisees, nor when he betrayed Jesus in the Garden. John, writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, was moved to say that Satan entered Judas at this moment.
Clearly something more than Wonder Bread is involved.


Judas was not really sincere in his relationship with Jesus and in fact was a "devil" in the first place. Jesus knew that Judas was going to betray Him - as it had to be:

Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil? He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.
(John 6:70-71)


Additionally, partaking of Communion when a person's life is not right with God is also not acceptable in the eyes of God. Judas was clearly not right with God in the first place and was just going through the "religious motions" and pretentious actions as if he (Judas) was a sincere follower of Jesus. Many people partake of Communion just as a church tradition and not a sincere intention of honoring nor comprehending the sacrifice that Jesus made upon the cross.

1 Corinthians 11:27-30

27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

Jesus must love all of the Christians fighting over what he said, what was meant.... all the people trying to show they know more than another..if only that much energy was put towards showing the way to behave the right way, by example versus being able to "recite" the way to behave, what is meant by what we are told was said... he said/she said...

Jesus must love all of the Christians fighting over what he said, what was meant.... all the people trying to show they know more than another..if only that much energy was put towards showing the way to behave the right way, by example versus being able to "recite" the way to behave, what is meant by what we are told was said... he said/she said...


:howdy: Good point!

Yes, you are correct - we are to lead by example. It has been said that a Christian's lifestyle may be the only "Bible" others will read.

However, since you brought it up for discussion, we are still charged with the responsibility of helping one another in understanding sound doctrine and truth as taught - not by man-made organized religions but by the Word of God. Thus the reason for this discussion board - to rightly divide truth from error. One should question what they are being taught by religious leaders and not just believe something because they were "indoctrinated" to believe it. It is God who reveals Truth through the ministry of His Holy Spirit.

Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. (2 Timothy 2:15)

2 Timothy, Chapter 4, verses:
1: I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
2: Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
3: For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4: And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
5: But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.

Hi Marie,

A person's heart is the "door" to openness and acceptance of another. In this verse, Jesus is saying that anyone who opens their heart to accept Him, He will come into their lives and share of sustenance of life that is spiritual food.

Thats not what the Revelation verse is talking about. Its quite clear its the door of the church.

And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
(John 6:35)

Ok, but illrevelant to the verse that was twisted.

When a person opens the door of their heart to Jesus, He then opens the door to Salvation and Eternal Life:

How about something more truthfull, when a person sees themselves as God see's them and acknowledges their sin, and confessess their sin ask forgivness of that sin and turns from that sin, surrendering their will to his and trusting in Christ alone as a payment for that sin. It dosent sound as cutesy but its more accurate.

Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. (John 10:7-9)

Ok but again its not the verse in question Wide is the way and narrow is the gate. I got it its through Christ and Christ alone. No dispute there its the twisting of the verse in REV to make your point I am apposed to and anyone else who uses that verse in that manner when they know better.

Jesus "knocks on the door" of a person's heart through His Gospel Message but it is up to an individual to respond, go to their door and open up to accept and believe that Message. That is the beginning of a relationship that God wants to have with mankind - through Jesus and empowerment of His Holy Spirit.

My God dosent pussyfoot he takes what is his his sheep hear his voice and follow!



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http://forums.somd.com/religion/189145-10-reasons-not-ask-jesus-into-your-heart.html


Confess with you mouth Jesus is Lord. If Jesus isnt your Lord he's not your savior!

Confess with you mouth Jesus is Lord. If Jesus isnt your Lord he's not your savior!
You've gotta finish the verse..."and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead and you will be saved."
Washer is right; anyone can pray a prayer to Jesus and NOT get saved because their heart isn't ready to commit to Him. I was living proof of that back in the 70's and 80's.
But it also means that some who do pray to ask Jesus into their heart, DO get saved. I'm living proof of that also.

P.S. Marie, watch out that you don't ingest everything that someone says. Although they might be good preachers, they've misled you into thinking that the "door" spoken of in Rev 3 is a church door. IT IS NOT! The door to our hearts is symbolic of our inner most being; our deepest self and the essence of who we are. God looks at our heart, not our physicality. It's the same thing that God speaks of when He talks about us being new creations with a new heart bent towards Him.
I really mean this when I say it to you: you should remove that other thread about the "10 reasons" ASAP. It is a serious error in your judgment and could mislead a lot of folks reading here...

You've gotta finish the verse..."and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead and you will be saved."
Washer is right; anyone can pray a prayer to Jesus and NOT get saved because their heart isn't ready to commit to Him. I was living proof of that back in the 70's and 80's.
But it also means that some who do pray to ask Jesus into their heart, DO get saved. I'm living proof of that also.

P.S. Marie, watch out that you don't ingest everything that someone says. Although they might be good preachers, they've misled you into thinking that the "door" spoken of in Rev 3 is a church door. IT IS NOT! The door to our hearts is symbolic of our inner most being; our deepest self and the essence of who we are. God looks at our heart, not our physicality. It's the same thing that God speaks of when He talks about us being new creations with a new heart bent towards Him.
I really mean this when I say it to you: you should remove that other thread about the "10 reasons" ASAP. It is a serious error in your judgment and could mislead a lot of folks reading here...

How could it mislead folks?

I am glad you got saved that way but it wasnt because of it , it was in SPITE of it, If ones heart is right God can use anything and some have come to Christ that way and have grown.

The point of the article is you dont ask Jesus into your heart you repent of your sin and put your faith and trust in him!
Asking Jesus into your heart really means dying to self and surrendering your will to his. Giving him Lordship of your life. Thats not as attractive.

How could it mislead folks? ...

The point of the article is you dont ask Jesus into your hear you repent of your sin and put your faith and trust in him!
Asking Jesus into your heart really means dying to self and surrendering your will to his. Giving him Lordship of your life. Thats not as attractive.

Not attractive? Really???

Dying to myself, surrendering to His Will and Giving Jesus Lordship of my life is the best thing that ever happened in my life! It's what Jesus calls being Born-Again. We become a new creation and our views of the world and those around us is filled with compassion and love for others and that is how God is able to change the heart of the inner-person. Repentance is the willful desire to turn away from those things that break one's relatrionship with God but people need to recognize what it is that they must "repent from". That is the decision - to want to give up stuff that is not to the glory of God nor to the edification of one's spiritual walk with Him through the indwelling Holy Spirit.

I give praise to God each day for saving my soul and changing me from the lost sinner I once was. Knowing that Christ is my Saviour and living under the guidance of God's Holy Spirit is truly having Peace with God - and that is pretty neat.

Interesting conversation. I think it is pretty amazing that people think that they can make God accept them. You cannot. Nothing you can do as a mere human could ever possibly make you acceptable to God.

James 2:10 (New International Version)
For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

Isaiah 64:6 (New International Version)

All of us have become like one who is unclean,
and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags;
we all shrivel up like a leaf,
and like the wind our sins sweep us away.


New International Version (NIV)


Romans 5:12-21 (New International Version)

Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned— 13for before the law was given, sin was in the world. But sin is not taken into account when there is no law. 14Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who was a pattern of the one to come.

Romans 8:13 (New International Version)
For if you live according to the sinful nature, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live,

We are incapable of being perfect as Jesus was, therfore we are condemmed to death. That is why the good news of Jesus...is so good! He died for our sins. All of them..every last one of them. When we say his name in vain when we stub our toe, or when we steal or lie or covet..all of it. Because Jesus died, we are able to live eternally in Heaven with him! ALL that requires is to believe he is the risen Lord. No more, no less. You could not possibly make "God accept you" because without Jesus he would not. His son was punished for us, that we may look sinless in his eyes.

John 3:16 (New International Version)

For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

How could it mislead folks?
The point of the article is you dont ask Jesus into your hear you repent of your sin and put your faith and trust in him!
Asking Jesus into your heart really means dying to self and surrendering your will to his. Giving him Lordship of your life. Thats not as attractive.
Marie, do you hear what you are saying???????????? :faint:

[quote=Starman3000m;3953059]Not attractive? Really???

Not to someone looking for life inhancement or bennies!

"Dying to myself, surrendering to His Will and Giving Jesus Lordship of my life is the best thing that ever happened in my life! It's what Jesus calls being Born-Again. "

Amen, but thats hard for a lot of people to imagine.

Marie, do you hear what you are saying???????????? :faint:

What, that an unregenerate person or a false convert only wants a God that fits their mold or their lifestyle and isnt willing to die to self? I hardly see that as a news flash.

I dont know if you ever heard of Dr John Macarthur.
Here is the comentary from his study Bible.

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Not attractive? Really???

Dying to myself, surrendering to His Will and Giving Jesus Lordship of my life is the best thing that ever happened in my life! It's what Jesus calls being Born-Again. We become a new creation and our views of the world and those around us is filled with compassion and love for others and that is how God is able to change the heart of the inner-person. Repentance is the willful desire to turn away from those things that break one's relatrionship with God but people need to recognize what it is that they must "repent from". That is the decision - to want to give up stuff that is not to the glory of God nor to the edification of one's spiritual walk with Him through the indwelling Holy Spirit.

I give praise to God each day for saving my soul and changing me from the lost sinner I once was. Knowing that Christ is my Saviour and living under the guidance of God's Holy Spirit is truly having Peace with God - and that is pretty neat.

It's more than neat its a miracle. You want a modern day miracle there it is.

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It’s all about context.<o:p></o:p>
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<st1:time Hour="15" Minute="14">Rev 3:14</st1:time>"And to the angel of the church in <st1:City><st1:place>Laodicea</st1:place></st1:City> write: 'The words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of God's creation.<o:p></o:p>
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These two verse make it very clear who this is being written to.<o:p></o:p>
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Verse 15-19 are an insult as Laodicia produced Eye sauve and were garment producers. 15 is also interesting as they had a water issue, so they could relate to luke warmness.<o:p></o:p>
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The last verse<o:p></o:p>
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Changing it to a mans heart, is eisegesis your forcing your meaning on top of the text rather than interpreting it.<o:p></o:p>
I dont mean to be rude but it’s pretty obvious.<o:p></o:p>
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Yes Mathew Henry, Gill, and others have done it and they are much smarter than me, but that doesn’t make it right.<o:p></o:p>
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Verse 21 talks about an individual but it doesn’t get you anywhere.<o:p></o:p>
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I realize the title of the article is an attention grabber that doesn’t sound right, but once you read it, there is a lot of truth there and that’s why the church doesn’t act like the church, or do what the church is suppose to do, because its so over run with very nice people that are deceived (including Pastors). Their fruits, their actions, and their words reveal the condition of their hearts. Satan has them deceived, because one time they did something, but God didn’t, and you see the result. <o:p></o:p>
How many times have you heard your so called Christian friend defending his not wanting to go to church? He doesn’t give a rip about God, much less esteem Him above all else. How about getting someone to go out to do evangelism or work a booth. The first thing you hear again, the mouth tries to justify, well not everyone is called to that, really that’s not what my bible says. Not everyone is called to full time ministry but were all called by the commission. How many faithfully read their Bibles? The first thing you hear is well that’s just legalism, rather than the truth, they don’t have a hunger to know God.<o:p></o:p>
Or how about the person, that’s walked the isle 6 times and still has no assurance of salvation.<o:p></o:p>
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You don’t have to agree, or like it, but there’s a lot of truth there especially with childhood proffession’s that when they become teens they reject God and never come back or come back years latter like they never missed a beat but they still look so much like the world you would never suspect, except for the fish on the back of their car.

Scripture tells us to exaime ourselves, theres a good reason why.
Many do not recognize the fact as they ought, that Satan has got men fast asleep in sin and that it is his great device to keep them so. He does not care what we do if he can do that. We may sing songs about the sweet by and by, preach sermons and say prayers until doomsday, and he will never concern himself about us, if we don't wake anybody up. But if we awake the sleeping sinner he will gnash on us with his teeth. This is our work -to wake people up."

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Sorry to but in, however, if you have DirecTV, channel 269 - The History Channel - is covering the Mayan calender - the katun cycles(?) as we speak.

Very interesting.

How could it mislead folks?
The point of the article is you dont ask Jesus into your heart you repent of your sin and put your faith and trust in him!
Asking Jesus into your heart really means dying to self and surrendering your will to his. Giving him Lordship of your life. Thats not as attractive.
For the benefit of the readers, I'll quote the verses I sent you.
John:
6 v 56 - he who eats my flesh & drinks my blood remains IN ME and I IN HIM.

10 v 38 - the Father is in me and I IN HIM.

14 v 10 - I'm in the Father and the Father is IN ME

14 v 17 - The Holy Spirit will be WITH YOU and IN YOU.

14 v 20 - You realize that I am in my Father and YOU ARE IN ME AND I IN YOU

15 v 4-7 - Remain IN ME and I will remain IN YOU.

Can you see the concept? Sure it isn't written in a verse, word for word, but the concept can't be missed by anyone with smarts.
Yes, He's talking to the church of Laodicea but who is the church?
And how does Jesus get into their hearts? By opening "the door" described in Rev 3 v 20.
And how do they open the door? By praying and asking Jesus to come in.
Why did this FOOL Friel make this such an issue? He's out to make a name for himself by making a controversial statement JUST LIKE SATAN DID TO EVE!
I can't believe I'm arguing this point...:jameo: