View Full Version : The Al'lah of "Cat Stevens" is Not Yahweh
Starman3000m
09-08-2009, 04:21 PM
In response to Nonno's post about Yusuf Islam (formerly Cat Stevens) believing in the god of the Qur'an instead of the God of the Holy Bible.
There Is A Difference:
Yahweh NEVER commanded His angels to bow down prostrate to Adam.
Al’lah Did: Qur’an: (002.034) (007.011) (015.028 - .030)
Yahweh NEVER authorized mankind to honor and kiss a stone. (Ka'ba)
Muhammad Did and Muslims still do to this day as a prescribed ritual during their pilgrimage (hajj) to Mecca.
(Sunan Muslim, Book 007, Number 2912 - 2916)
(Malik’s Muwatta: Book 20, Number 20.34.116)
(Qur’an: 022.027-.030)
Yahweh NEVER authorized men to beat their wives.
Al’lah Did: Qur’an: (004.032)
Yahweh NEVER authorized His prophets to have multiple wives- as many as the prophet desired, nor did Yahweh authorize men to have up to four wives.
Al’lah Did: Qur’an: (033.050) (004.003)
Yahweh NEVER promised a “paradise” filled with dark-eyed voluptuous women (virgins) as a “reward” to the “righteous.”
Al’lah Did: Qur’an: (037.040-.049) (056.035-.036) (078.031-.033)
Yahweh NEVER said the women were second-class citizens and comprised the greatest amount of residents in hell.
Muhammad Did: (Sahih Bukhari: Vol. 7, Book 62, No. 126)
If Muhammad is a prophet of Al'lah, Muhammad definitely cannot be a prophet of Yahweh.
Conclusion: Al'lah Is Not Yahweh and when Islamic theology says they are the same, (Qur'an 029.046) it is another lie (Taquiyya) that has been permitted in Islamic theology in order to deceive unsuspecting/uninformed non-Muslims; Christians and Jews.
Research (http://www.Starman3000.com)
Nonno
09-11-2009, 04:26 PM
In response to Nonno's post about Yusuf Islam (formerly Cat Stevens) believing in the god of the Qur'an instead of the God of the Holy Bible.
I never posted said post. You must have gotten that from the words in the song. But are you saying that those reasons you gave are the only things that separate the two?
Starman3000m
09-11-2009, 11:07 PM
I never posted said post. You must have gotten that from the words in the song. But are you saying that those reasons you gave are the only things that separate the two?
Hmmm....
This is the Thread -titled Bismillah (has your name as the one who posted it)
http://forums.somd.com/religion/189044-bismillah.html
Regarding your question: Those are comparative teachings that I posted since it was obvious that your thread was giving Al'lah some credence because of Yusuf Ali (Cat Stevens)
There are many more reasons than these but just the ones that I posted are enough to show that the God of Islam as taught in the Qur'an is NOT the God of the Holy Bible.
There is Only One Truth - Since there is Only One God
VoteJP
09-17-2009, 03:13 PM
In response to Nonno's post about Yusuf Islam (formerly Cat Stevens) believing in the god of the Qur'an instead of the God of the Holy Bible.
:blahblah:
Conclusion: Al'lah Is Not Yahweh and when Islamic theology says they are the same, (Qur'an 029.046) it is another lie (Taquiyya) that has been permitted in Islamic theology in order to deceive unsuspecting/uninformed non-Muslims; Christians and Jews.
Research (http://www.Starman3000.com)
:elaine: Hi S-m,
you have this mixed up because Allah is the Arabic word for Elohim and it was never ever a translation of Yahweh.
In the Bible the word for "God" is Elohim (El plural) and the Arabic Allah is a far more accurate translation then translating Elohim as God.
Yahweh is a separate Hebrew name that mean "creator" in the masculine form which Jesus translated as "Father" which is what Yahweh means.
Salam Alika. :patriot:
Nonno
09-17-2009, 03:59 PM
Regarding your question: Those are comparative teachings that I posted since it was obvious that your thread was giving Al'lah some credence because of Yusuf Ali (Cat Stevens) There are many more reasons than these but just the ones that I posted are enough to show that the God of Islam as taught in the Qur'an is NOT the God of the Holy Bible. There is Only One Truth - Since there is Only One God
You tend to read to much into a simple post.
MissKitty
09-17-2009, 04:16 PM
There is Only One Truth - Since there is Only One God
I think that you counted one too many.
Starman3000m
09-17-2009, 08:24 PM
:elaine: Hi S-m,
you have this mixed up because Allah is the Arabic word for Elohim and it was never ever a translation of Yahweh.
In the Bible the word for "God" is Elohim (El plural) and the Arabic Allah is a far more accurate translation then translating Elohim as God.
Yahweh is a separate Hebrew name that mean "creator" in the masculine form which Jesus translated as "Father" which is what Yahweh means.
Salam Alika. :patriot:
Actually, the correct Arabic translation of Al'lah means "the god"
This was the name given to the deity of the powerful Arabic tribe known as the Quraysh and it was one of 360 idols in the Ka'ba. When Muhammad proclaimed himself to be the last and final prophet of the world, he destroyed the deities of all other tribes and left only the deity of the Quraysh.
Muhammad got the idea of monotheism from Judaism and incorporated that into his new religion which he claimed would supersede all other religions and be the only one for this earth.
Al'lah is a generic term which only means "the god" in Arabic; Either way, Al'lah is NOT the same God of Judaism even if the names are similar to you.
VoteJP
09-17-2009, 08:35 PM
Actually, the correct Arabic translation of Al'lah means "the god"
This was the name given to the deity of the powerful Arabic tribe known as the Quraysh and it was one of 360 idols in the Ka'ba. When Muhammad proclaimed himself to be the last and final prophet of the world, he destroyed the deities of all other tribes and left only the deity of the Quraysh.
Muhammad got the idea of monotheism from Judaism and incorporated that into his new religion which he claimed would supersede all other religions and be the only one for this earth.
Al'lah is a generic term which only means "the god" in Arabic; it is not the translated definition meaning Elohim as you have been told.
:diva: All that is nonsense.
I stand by my post as correct and true.
Not only is Allah the Aramaic of Elohim but according to the New Testiment accounts it quotes Jesus as speaking in Aramaic so you are completely wrong.
And the Aramaic could not mean "the god" as you wrongfully claim because the word "god" is a totally English word with no roots of any kind in Aramaic.
So my posting is correct and that is it. :howdy:
foodcritic
09-17-2009, 08:45 PM
:diva: All that is nonsense.
I stand by my post as correct and true.
Not only is Allah the Aramaic of Elohim but according to the New Testiment accounts it quotes Jesus as speaking in Aramaic so you are completely wrong.
And the Aramaic could not mean "the god" as you wrongfully claim because the word "god" is a totally English word with no roots of any kind in Aramaic.
So my posting is correct and that is it. :howdy:
Muslims don't believe in the God of the bible. If your assertion that Elohim is plural you are correct. This helps to explain the triune nature of God. Muslims reject the trinity.
Starman3000m
09-17-2009, 08:54 PM
:diva: All that is nonsense.
I stand by my post as correct and true.
Not only is Allah the Aramaic of Elohim but according to the New Testiment accounts it quotes Jesus as speaking in Aramaic so you are completely wrong.
And the Aramaic could not mean "the god" as you wrongfully claim because the word "god" is a totally English word with no roots of any kind in Aramaic.
So my posting is correct and that is it. :howdy:
:doh:
The Al'lah of Islam is NOT the Elohim of Judaism. Muslims worship a different deity. You can argue that the name means the same but the deity being referred to is NOT the same Deity.
VoteJP
09-17-2009, 09:29 PM
Muslims don't believe in the God of the bible. If your assertion that Elohim is plural you are correct. This helps to explain the triune nature of God. Muslims reject the trinity.
:whistle: The Muslim simply reject that interpretation.
And the Muslims are correct. :dye:
:doh:
The Al'lah of Islam is NOT the Elohim of Judaism. Muslims worship a different deity. You can argue that the name means the same but the deity being referred to is NOT the same Deity.
:bigwhoop: The name is the same.
It is only a pompous claim that some how the Diety is different from the name. :whistle:
2ndAmendment
09-17-2009, 11:09 PM
:whistle: The Muslim simply reject that interpretation.
And the Muslims are correct. :dye:
:bigwhoop: The name is the same.
It is only a pompous claim that some how the Diety is different from the name. :whistle:
You are the only person I have ever seen rebuked from the pulpit of a church by the pastor during the service and it happened in two different services.
Take your insanity elsewhere.
Don't you remember your promise to never come back if you lost the election? Typical lying politician.
foodcritic
09-17-2009, 11:24 PM
:whistle: The Muslim simply reject that interpretation.
And the Muslims are correct. :dye:
:bigwhoop: The name is the same.
It is only a pompous claim that some how the Diety is different from the name. :whistle:
It's not an interpretation. You said it yourself and I agreed with it.
The word Elohim is the plural of El (or possibly of Eloah) and is the first name for God given in the Tanakh: “In the beginning, God (Elohim) created the heavens and the earth”
(Genesis 1:1): B're#### 1:1
The name Elohim is unique to Hebraic thinking: it occurs only in Hebrew and in no other ancient Semitic language. The masculine plural ending does not mean “gods” when referring to the true God of Israel, since the name is mainly used with singular verb forms and with adjectives and pronouns in the singular (e.g., see Gen. 1:26). However, considering the Hashalush HaKadosh (Trinity), the form indeed allows for the plurality within the Godhead.
The Hebrew Name for God - Elohim (http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Names_of_G-d/Elohim/elohim.html)
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