No Threat to Teen Convert, Police Say

AP (article excerpt)

ORLANDO, Fla. (Sept. 15) - An investigation by Florida authorities has found that there were no credible threats to a teenager who ran away from her Ohio home because she says she feared for her life after converting to Christianity from Islam.
A summary of the Florida Department of Law Enforcement investigation into Rifqa Bary's allegations was unsealed Monday. The probe found no reports of threats against Bary in Florida or Ohio.

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However, Here is what the Islamic prophet, Muhammad, stated must be done with Muslims who leave Islam - according to the following Hadith (sayings of Muhammad)

Muslims allowed to be killed for leaving the Islamic Faith:
Fundamental Muslims are allowed to kill another Muslim who is deemed an apostate by the decree of Shari'a Law. Here are three examples of Islamic rulings that allow a Muslim to kill another Muslim for the following instances:

1) "Abdullah bin Masud narrated that the messenger of Allah said : "The blood of a Muslim may not be legally spilt other than in one of three [instances] : the married person who commits adultery; a life for a life; and one who forsakes his religion and abandons the community."
Source:(it was related by Bukhari and Muslim) (Imam An-Nawawi's Book - Hadith #14)


2) "Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to 'Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn 'Abbas who said, 'If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Apostle forbade it, saying, 'Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire).' I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"

Source:(Sahih Bukhari: Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57, Narrated 'Ikrima)

3) "Whenever I tell you a narration from Allah's Apostle, by Allah, I would rather fall down from the sky than ascribe a false statement to him, but if I tell you something between me and you (not a Hadith) then it was indeed a trick (i.e., I may say things just to cheat my enemy). No doubt I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "During the last days there will appear some young foolish people who will say the best words but their faith will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they will have no faith) and will go out from (leave) their religion as an arrow goes out of the game. So, where-ever you find them, kill them, for who-ever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection."

Source: (Sahih Bukhari: Volume 9, Book 84, Number 64, Narrated 'Ali)

"ORLANDO -- The Ohio teen who ran away from her Muslim home after converting to Christianity apparently lied to state investigators.

However, one of the groups that have infused itself into her cause is accusing state agents of not thoroughly doing their jobs.

Tom Trento with the Florida Security Council calls a seven page report of investigative findings from Florida Department of Law Enforcement "complete nonsense" even though agents interviewed Rifqa Bary and then sought out to confirm or deny the allegations she made."


"Rifqa was interviewed by investigators on Aug. 21. She told them she hitchhiked from a neighbor’s house to the Greyhound bus station in Columbus for her trip to Orlando.

It turns out a man who baptized her in Ohio is the one who drove her to the bus station.

Then, investigators learned her bus ticket was actually bought in Orlando under a fictitious name."

More at source: FDLE Report: Runaway Teen Lied - Central Florida News 13 (http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/9/14/documents_in_runaway_teen_case_to_be_released.html)


From another source: http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local-beat/Faith-Flipping-Teen-May-Have-Told-Tall-Tale-59323567.html

"She had told investigators that her father had never seen her in her school cheer leading outfit because she was afraid it might enrage him, yet investigators found photos of the teen in the outfit displayed in the living room of the family's home."

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Isn't this chic 17 years old? Can they "force" her to return home at that age? I should think she can just walk away at 17, it's not like the authorities are going to return her on a leash to her parents. I was 17 when I graduated high school and moved out on my own. Have the state hold her passport so they can't wisk her away to some muslim hell hole and let her parents know florida has the death penalty for murder. But really, this sounds like a tempest in a teapot. A family and teen dispute. I bet her parents are really more upset about their young daughter shacking up in the home of some oddball church's leader.

The 17-year-old girl, Rifqa Bary, ran away from her family in Columbus, Ohio, in July and took refuge in the home of the Rev. Blake Lorenz with the Global Revolution Church in Orlando, Florida.

Global Revolution Church indeed :rolleyes:

"ORLANDO -- The Ohio teen who ran away from her Muslim home after converting to Christianity apparently lied to state investigators.

However, one of the groups that have infused itself into her cause is accusing state agents of not thoroughly doing their jobs.

Tom Trento with the Florida Security Council calls a seven page report of investigative findings from Florida Department of Law Enforcement "complete nonsense" even though agents interviewed Rifqa Bary and then sought out to confirm or deny the allegations she made."


"Rifqa was interviewed by investigators on Aug. 21. She told them she hitchhiked from a neighbor’s house to the Greyhound bus station in Columbus for her trip to Orlando.

It turns out a man who baptized her in Ohio is the one who drove her to the bus station.

Then, investigators learned her bus ticket was actually bought in Orlando under a fictitious name."

More at source: FDLE Report: Runaway Teen Lied - Central Florida News 13 (http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/9/14/documents_in_runaway_teen_case_to_be_released.html)


From another source: Faith Flipping Teen May Have Told Tall Tale | NBC Miami (http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local-beat/Faith-Flipping-Teen-May-Have-Told-Tall-Tale-59323567.html)

"She had told investigators that her father had never seen her in her school cheer leading outfit because she was afraid it might enrage him, yet investigators found photos of the teen in the outfit displayed in the living room of the family's home."

So 17 year-old Rifqa Bary lied to get away from a possible adverse situation in the family over her conversion from Islam to Christianity. Can you really blame her? Afterall Sharia Law states that apostates are to be killed. I'm not saying that lying is the right thing to do but in this case of a frightened young teenager you might do the same thing!

Still - This does not mean that she really doesn't fear for her life!

As far as telling lies - who knows if her father and mother are each telling the complete truth as well? Afterall, in Islam, Muslims are permitted to tell a lie if it is to their advantage:

Chapter 261 – Falsehood That Is Permissible

The learned compiler of this book has put forth some arguments to prove that it is lawful to tell a lie under the stress of circumstances. An example of this is the case of a Muslim who hides himself or his money from a tyrant who is bent on killing him or taking his money from him. If one knows the whereabouts of this Muslim or his money and is asked about it, it is permissible to lie in this case to save a Muslim's life or his property, but it is better to give an equivocal answer, that is one which is not clear or definite in meaning, and that can be interpreted in more than one way in order to shun lying altogether. The sum and substance of discussion has been derived from the narration ascribed to Umm Kulthum (May Allah be pleased with her). She said: The Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said, "A liar is not the one who tries to bring about a reconciliation between the people and speaks good to avert dispute or to convey good.''
[Al-Bukhari].

It may be concluded that falsehood is permissible in the following three cases:

(i) While fighting Jihad in the Cause of Allah.
(ii) To conciliate between people.
(iii) For the husband to please his wife and the wife to please her husband.

Falsehood that is Permissible (http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/hadeeth/riyad/17/chap261.htm)

My prayers are for Rifqa and for any other Muslim who wishes to convert from Islam to Christianity or any faith of their choosing without having to fear for their lives when they convert.

Pursuant to the edicts of Islamic Shari'a Laws, Rifqa Bary has good reason to fear for her life - for the rest of her life.

Sorry something fishy about the whole deal. I think the church guy is fishy..the whole story is. He should not have solicited or helped a young girl run away from her home. I don't think she is really in danger..seems contrived to me. Besides at 17 she is a stones throw (haha bad pun) away from being able to leave and do as she pleases..

Afterall, in Islam, Muslims are permitted to tell a lie if it is to their advantage:

Have you got a link which shows that other faiths are allowed to tell a lie in order convert someone?



BTW, I can sympathize with, "(iii) For the husband to please his wife and the wife to please her husband."

Have you got a link which shows that other faiths are allowed to tell a lie in order convert someone?

The Holy Bible prohibits lying , specifically in the New Testament teachings which states that through God's Holy Spirit there is no lie. However, the Bible describes Satan as the father of lies.

Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
( John 8:43-45 )


These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.
( 1 John 2:26-28 )

Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust. (1 Timothy 1:9-11)

I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. ( 1 John 2:21-23 )


BTW, I can sympathize with, "(iii) For the husband to please his wife and the wife to please her husband."

So dishonesty between husband is wife is OK with you???? Are you married?

The Holy Bible prohibits lying , specifically in the New Testament teachings which states that through God's Holy Spirit there is no lie. However, the Bible describes Satan as the father of lies.

:nono:
Its not so cut and dry (when is it ever in the Bible?)
In Joshua Rahab lies to those searching for Joshua's spies
And the woman took the two men, and hid them, and said thus, There came men unto me, but I wist not whence they were: Joshua 2:4
Aha you say, thats the OT. But wait theres more
In James (NT) Rahab is justified for lying
Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? James 2:25

God (in the OT) justifies lying
And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persude him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so. 1 Kings 22:22

Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee. 1 Kings 22:23

:nono:
Its not so cut and dry (when is it ever in the Bible?)
In Joshua Rahab lies to those searching for Joshua's spies

Aha you say, thats the OT. But wait theres more
In James (NT) Rahab is justified for lying


God (in the OT) justifies lying


The fact that Rahab had compassion and protected the spies shows her willingness to help save the lives of innocent individuals. She was commended for her action of choosing whether to betray innocent men or be a "Judas" and turn them over to be harmed. She risked her own life had she been found out to have lied to those pursuing the spies.

Re: Kings 22: Please read the context of the chapter. You will see that a "lying spirit" approached God and God allowed that spirit to go about its business. Much like God allowed Satan the opportunities to tempt Adam and Eve as well as the account in Job's life.

God has allowed enemies to come against those who harden their hearts toward Him and allows them to fall into calamities for their own hardness of hearts. the Old Testament is filled with such actions against the children of Israel who are still dispersed to this day - according Judaic teachings in the Old Testament.

The fact that Rahab had compassion and protected the spies shows her willingness to help save the lives of innocent individuals. She was commended for her action of choosing whether to betray innocent men or be a "Judas" and turn them over to be harmed. She risked her own life had she been found out to have lied to those pursuing the spies.
So the Holy Bible, specifically the New Testament excuses lying when its justified
Re: Kings 22: Please read the context of the chapter. You will see that a "lying spirit" approached God and God allowed that spirit to go about its business. Much like God allowed Satan the opportunities to tempt Adam and Eve as well as the account in Job's life.

God has allowed enemies to come against those who harden their hearts toward Him and allows them to fall into calamities for their own hardness of hearts. the Old Testament is filled with such actions against the children of Israel who are still dispersed to this day - according Judaic teachings in the Old Testament.
Please read Kings 22 in context.

The King of Israel is telling about when he met the Lord who wanted to know who would persuade (lie) to Ahab (Kings 22:20). The verses that follow are the King of Israel volunteering to lie, for God, with Gods blessing, and at Gods request, as the Voice of God.

So the Holy Bible, specifically the New Testament excuses lying when its justified

Please read Kings 22 in context.

The King of Israel is telling about when he met the Lord who wanted to know who would persuade (lie) to Ahab (Kings 22:20). The verses that follow are the King of Israel volunteering to lie, for God, with Gods blessing, and at Gods request, as the Voice of God.

Actually, there are no excuses for lying. Even if Rahab would have turned the spies over, God still would have made some supernatural provision to come to their aid as He does in the lives of many. The fact that Rahab denied knowing the whereabouts showed that she had the leaning toward the safety of lives and that is what was commended. There are even acounts of Atheists helping and having compassion on believers and for that they can be commended.

Actually, there are no excuses for lying. Even if Rahab would have turned the spies over, God still would have made some supernatural provision to come to their aid as He does in the lives of many. The fact that Rahab denied knowing the whereabouts showed that she had the leaning toward the safety of lives and that is what was commended. There are even acounts of Atheists helping and having compassion on believers and for that they can be commended.

They are misguided Atheists :evil:

You can play a what if game if you'd like, but both Bibles and yourself excuse Rahabs lying because it was beneficial

It was still lying, it was still excused, and it is an example of both Bibles condoning the act.

They are misguided Atheists :evil:

You can play a what if game if you'd like, but both Bibles and yourself excuse Rahabs lying because it was beneficial

It was still lying, it was still excused, and it is an example of both Bibles condoning the act.

Think whatever you like - but lying is not "condoned" in the Holy Bible nor in the sense that you are trying to portray. On the other hand, Islam specifically states that it is OK to lie and makes it an obligation for Muslims to lie if it will help Islam gain the advantage over all other religions.

BTW: Would you agree that Atheists who do not believe in God and spirituality nor have a sense of integrity have no problems telling lies without feeling any guilt?

Think whatever you like - but lying is not "condoned" in the Holy Bible nor in the sense that you are trying to portray. On the other hand, Islam specifically states that it is OK to lie and makes it an obligation for Muslims to lie if it will help Islam gain the advantage over all other religions.

BTW: Would you agree that Atheists who do not believe in God and spirituality nor have a sense of integrity have no problems telling lies without feeling any guilt?

I would agree that ANYONE that has no sense of integrity would have no problem with lying without guilt

Since standards of : morals a sense of right/wrong guilt are not constructs of religion (but religion does use them), and are a factor of the society you live in, (we know this, since other societies have different standards) or a persons internal conscious, it has nothing to do with whether you believe in a (form of) deity or not.

I would agree that ANYONE that has no sense of integrity would have no problem with lying without guilt

Since standards of : morals a sense of right/wrong guilt are not constructs of religion (but religion does use them), and are a factor of the society you live in, (we know this, since other societies have different standards) or a persons internal conscious, it has nothing to do with whether you believe in a (form of) deity or not.

Back to the original point that Muslims are permitted and even encouraged to lie:

(article excerpt)

Fact about Islam:

"A Muslim is allowed to lie for the cause of War, to their wives, and for the sake of converting someone. "Allah loves those who can outwit the best!"
Muslim men are taught that Allah loves those who outwit (lie) the best. Most of the courtships are very fast. In some cases, a couple gets married within a day or two, but most within a few months. It is rare that a man will wait a year before he marries. Let's not forget that another motivation for these quick marriages may be a Green Card for US Citizenship."

The Holy Bible States:
"'Do not steal. "'Do not lie. "'Do not deceive one another. (Leviticus 19:11)

Article Source:
Rev. W. L. Cati, Ph.D., Welcomes You (http://wlcati.com/)