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Nucklesack
09-26-2009, 12:44 PM
Fundamental changes occuring in 150 years. Imagine what Billions of years could produce

Link (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/3322455/Why-elephants-are-not-so-long-in-the-tusk.html)

Why elephants are not so long in the tusk

By Richard Gray, Science Correspondent
Published: 12:01AM GMT 20 Jan 2008


Demand for ivory has seen Africa?s elephant population more than halved since the late 1970s
Elephants are evolving smaller tusks due to pressure from hunting and poaching for ivory, according to conservation experts

The average tusk size of African elephants has halved since the mid-19th century. A similar effect has been spotted in the Asian elephant population in India.

Researchers say it is an example of Darwinism in action, caused by the mass slaughter of dominant male elephants - but whereas evolution normally takes place over thousands of years, these changes have occurred within 150 years.

Zoologists at Oxford University fear that poaching and hunting of the largest male elephants, which also have the largest tusks, has changed the natural breeding behaviour of these animals. Their research has shown that the hunting of these large males for their ivory allows smaller males with shorter tusks to produce more calves. Over time the average tusk size decreases.

Iain Douglas Hamilton, from the conservation charity Save the Elephants and who was one of the authors of the study, said: "What appears to be the case is that average tusk sizes have decreased greatly since the mid-19th century. The data comes from the trade statistics and from records of hunters around Africa who find that large trophies are very much harder to find.

"While some of this may be due to an absence of older animals, it is possible there has been a genetic selection pressure against large tusk size that outweighs their usefulness in contests with other males in winning females."

foodcritic
09-26-2009, 02:54 PM
Fundamental changes occuring in 150 years. Imagine what Billions of years could produce

Link (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/3322455/Why-elephants-are-not-so-long-in-the-tusk.html)

:killingme:killingme

Hence another chapter in the "it happened because a scientist said so" book of contradiction....

Punctuated Equilibrium is a theory about how the evolutionary process works, based on patterns of first appearances and subsequent histories of species in the fossil record. The theory holds that species originate too rapidly to enable their origins to be traced by paleontologists (punctuation), and then persist unchanged through geological time in stasis (equilibrium). All is due to a mysterious shared homeostasis that is postulated to regulate the collective morphology of individuals. When species-level homeostasis is working, species persist unchanged; when species-level homeostasis breaks down, speciation results. It is difficult to imagine a construct more antithetical to Darwinian natural selection.

http://palaeo-electronica.org/2007_3/books/equal.htm

All those smart guys are in agreement on this.....:killingme

This_person
09-26-2009, 10:21 PM
Fundamental changes occuring in 150 years. Imagine what Billions of years could produceCould it produce proof that a single cell could evolve into the gazillions of life forms we know about and assume?

foodcritic
09-28-2009, 12:34 PM
Fundamental changes occuring in 150 years. Imagine what Billions of years could produce

Link (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/3322455/Why-elephants-are-not-so-long-in-the-tusk.html)

Hence another chapter in the "it happened because a scientist said so" book of contradiction....

Quote:
Punctuated Equilibrium is a theory about how the evolutionary process works, based on patterns of first appearances and subsequent histories of species in the fossil record. The theory holds that species originate too rapidly to enable their origins to be traced by paleontologists (punctuation), and then persist unchanged through geological time in stasis (equilibrium). All is due to a mysterious shared homeostasis that is postulated to regulate the collective morphology of individuals. When species-level homeostasis is working, species persist unchanged; when species-level homeostasis breaks down, speciation results. It is difficult to imagine a construct more antithetical to Darwinian natural selection.

http://palaeo-electronica.org/2007_3/books/equal.htm

All those smart guys are in agreement on this....


Cat got your tongue. How can we have these "sciences" in conflict? It's only the scientist provide factual data to reach their conclusions ...:shrug:

Nucklesack
09-28-2009, 12:44 PM
Hence another chapter in the "it happened because a scientist said so" book of contradiction....

Quote:
Punctuated Equilibrium is a theory about how the evolutionary process works, based on patterns of first appearances and subsequent histories of species in the fossil record. The theory holds that species originate too rapidly to enable their origins to be traced by paleontologists (punctuation), and then persist unchanged through geological time in stasis (equilibrium). All is due to a mysterious shared homeostasis that is postulated to regulate the collective morphology of individuals. When species-level homeostasis is working, species persist unchanged; when species-level homeostasis breaks down, speciation results. It is difficult to imagine a construct more antithetical to Darwinian natural selection.

http://palaeo-electronica.org/2007_3/books/equal.htm

All those smart guys are in agreement on this....


Cat got your tongue. How can we have these "sciences" in conflict? It's only the scientist provide factual data to reach their conclusions ...:shrug:

Aww you poor misguided parking lot attendant... your under the delusion that i'm a Scientist proposing an evolutionary theory.

The above example, as well as the other article i posted, were pointing out how species have changed in a short period of time.

It should lead a reasonable, objective person (dont worry this is noth something we would fault you with) to wonder what kind of changes would occur to a species if it had billions of years to occur.

foodcritic
09-28-2009, 04:28 PM
Aww you poor misguided parking lot attendant... your under the delusion that i'm a Scientist proposing an evolutionary theory.

The above example, as well as the other article i posted, were pointing out how species have changed in a short period of time.

It should lead a reasonable, objective person (dont worry this is noth something we would fault you with) to wonder what kind of changes would occur to a species if it had billions of years to occur.

My bad. It seems that scientists couldn't address the lack of intermediate species and transitional species soooooooooooo some scientists needed a new theory to fall in line with their beliefs...Hence PE.

It seems that it is antithetical to Darwinian evolution.... i guess you need to update the scientific community of this find so they can correct the theory.


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