Wait for the gudeepole

not too often when coaches are fired midseason. The Skins appear to be among the worst, but have beat a couple of the other pathetic teams...so chances are Zorn will be kept until the end of the season before he's canned.

When the season is over.

They lose 2 of the next 3 games, he'll be gone the Monday(Oct 27) before the bye week..Sherm will be up to speed on the offense and his buddy, new Coach Blache will tend to the D and the other coaching chores.

They lose 2 of the next 3 games, he'll be gone the Monday(Oct 27) before the bye week..Sherm will be up to speed on the offense and his buddy, new Coach Blache will tend to the D and the other coaching chores.
I'll betcha a box of Cheezits.

He'll retire for a year or two after the second ring.

They lose 2 of the next 3 games, he'll be gone the Monday(Oct 27) before the bye week..Sherm will be up to speed on the offense and his buddy, new Coach Blache will tend to the D and the other coaching chores.

In what universe does Blache keep his job when he got all the off season goodies and the D is WORSE and yet Zorn loses his job for being the O being the SAME as last year after getting NO off season help, huh?

What kind of ####ed up pack of dumb asses would ever, ever, think that way, huh? Where does that kind of logic and solution resolution come fro...


Never mind. :banghead:

In what universe does Blache keep his job when he got all the off season goodies and the D is WORSE and yet Zorn loses his job for being the O being the SAME as last year after getting NO off season help, huh?

What kind of ####ed up pack of dumb asses would ever, ever, think that way, huh? Where does that kind of logic and solution resolution come fro...


Never mind. :banghead:

:diva:

:diva:

Hey, Mr. Snyder, sir, with a win over the Panthers, Jim Zorn becomes the winningest coach, % wise, in your 10 years. Isn't that something?

(Thanks, Mike Wise, WashPo)

Hey, Mr. Snyder, sir, with a win over the Panthers, Jim Zorn becomes the winningest coach, % wise, in your 10 years. Isn't that something?

(Thanks, Mike Wise, WashPo)

But that gets overshadowed with the loss to the Lions, and of course, Jason Campbell. :ohwell:

But that gets overshadowed with the loss to the Lions, and of course, Jason Campbell. :ohwell:

...

They lose 2 of the next 3 games, he'll be gone the Monday(Oct 27) before the bye week..Sherm will be up to speed on the offense and his buddy, new Coach Blache will tend to the D and the other coaching chores.

We're looking @ a 10 loss season IF we beat Dallas, twice, KC and the Raiders.

Philly (2), Giants, NO, Bolts, Falcs, Broncs.

Sounds like Samuels is in worse shape than just 'a stinger'. Williams and Heyer wouldn't be backups for anyone let alone the starting T's. Portis and Moss are not going to be little rays of sunshine and unity.

If whomever the next coach is going to be, Blache or Lewis, is just interim because no 'star' coach is going to take over mid season, and I still can't believe how little heat Blache is getting, what, really, is to be gained from firing Zorn now?

If he gets fired before seasons end, I suppose bye week is the bet.

We're looking @ a 10 loss season IF we beat Dallas, twice, KC and the Raiders.

Philly (2), Giants, NO, Bolts, Falcs, Broncs.

Sounds like Samuels is in worse shape than just 'a stinger'. Williams and Heyer wouldn't be backups for anyone let alone the starting T's. Portis and Moss are not going to be little rays of sunshine and unity.

If whomever the next coach is going to be, Blache or Lewis, is just interim because no 'star' coach is going to take over mid season, and I still can't believe how little heat Blache is getting, what, really, is to be gained from firing Zorn now?

If he gets fired before seasons end, I suppose bye week is the bet.

You're whole thinking is premised on believing there is any logic to Snottie's decision-making to begin with. He hired Zorn :confused:. He keeps Campbell :confused:. He brings in Haynesworth for $100 mil who has gotten injured nearly every game :confused:.

Rush shouldn't be wasting his time with the Rams. He should be making an attractive offer to get Snottie out of there. The guy is killing this team.

:sarcasm:

Interesting:

Should the Redskins turn to Gibbs -- again? - NFC East - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/4825/should-the-skins-turn-to-gibbs-again)

A trip to Charlotte on Saturday afternoon afforded Redskins owner Dan Snyder the opportunity to have dinner with the great Joe Gibbs. Actually, Snyder can afford pretty much anything he wants -- except anything akin to a winning football team. He and his right-hand man Vinny Cerrato should be the face of what is becoming an embarrassing situation, but they're doing a pretty good job of shifting the blame to overwhelmed head coach Jim Zorn at the moment.

Interesting:

Should the Redskins turn to Gibbs -- again? - NFC East - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/4825/should-the-skins-turn-to-gibbs-again)

To even consider this is to entirely miss the Gibbs history of the Redskins, especially the Gibbs II period.

We're looking @ a 10 loss season IF we beat Dallas, twice, KC and the Raiders.

Philly (2), Giants, NO, Bolts, Falcs, Broncs.

Sounds like Samuels is in worse shape than just 'a stinger'. Williams and Heyer wouldn't be backups for anyone let alone the starting T's. Portis and Moss are not going to be little rays of sunshine and unity.

If whomever the next coach is going to be, Blache or Lewis, is just interim because no 'star' coach is going to take over mid season, and I still can't believe how little heat Blache is getting, what, really, is to be gained from firing Zorn now?

If he gets fired before seasons end, I suppose bye week is the bet.

You're giving your boys too much credit if you think they can beat Dallas twice. KC and the Raiders...50/50 on KC, and probably should beat the hapless Raiders.

By the way, you knew Zorn wouldn't ever obtain the highest win % right? :lol:

I'm hearing Gruden today and not so much Shanahan..:lol: We'll have a better idea after the Philly loss in 11 days..Snyder and Vinny are working overtime throwing Zorn under the bus.

Guys on the Sports reporters insist that Vinny is not a goner..I don't see any way that Snyder can keep him here and keep any semblance of credibility. But then again, lil Danny goes to his own misguided tune.

You're giving your boys too much credit if you think they can beat Dallas twice. KC and the Raiders...50/50 on KC, and probably should beat the hapless Raiders.

By the way, you knew Zorn wouldn't ever obtain the highest win % right? :lol:

They should beat the Raiders but they won't :banghead:

If Gruden came to the skins that would be the best coaching pick I've seen them go with yet....

Even better then the Gibbs SNAFU.

How many coaches in how many years?????

How many QB's in how many years?????

Can't expect success if you start adding those numbers together.

If Gruden came to the skins that would be the best coaching pick I've seen them go with yet....

Even better then the Gibbs SNAFU.

How many coaches in how many years?????

How many QB's in how many years?????

Can't expect success if you start adding those numbers together.

Why? Is Gruden going to be GM, too? Does he get to change the culture of the relationship between owner and players?

That happened twice; with Marty when we are on the verge of being a real team and, for a year or so under Joe when the overwhelming level of talent and coaching and his, Gibbs, aura still only brought about first round playoff success.


The Gibbs experiment is not possible to duplicate because it's a one shot legend deal. The Marty way seems to be out of the question for an owner who so enjoys his relationships with his players.

So, what does Gruden or Shanahan or Cowher bring to the table that fixes the primary problem, the Two Headed Monster of Dan/Vin?

Unless a coach 'has' the players or, at the very least, the owner does NOT, how does Gruden matter?

Point being, no one takes this existing team over and does any better than .500 and this existing team has NOTHING to do with Zorn.

I was listening to late hits on Sirius NFL last night and Jim Miller was dogging Gruden about his hair trigger when it comes to QBs. Then he cited the 5-6 he went through in Tampa.

I guy I work with came up with a dream scenario but I wonder if Danny Boy has enough $$$ to make come true?

Shanahan as GM and Cowher as head coach.

I was listening to late hits on Sirius NFL last night and Jim Miller was dogging Gruden about his hair trigger when it comes to QBs. Then he cited the 5-6 he went through in Tampa.

I guy I work with came up with a dream scenario but I wonder if Danny Boy has enough $$$ to make come true?

Shanahan as GM and Cowher as head coach.

Where does Shanahan as GM come from?

Where does Shanahan as GM come from?

My co workers dream scenario. Wasn't he GM and HC @ Denver for the last couple of years?

Any coach that comes in and thinks he can HC and GM is a fool for thinking it and his owner is an idiot for allowing it... oh wait a minute, as you were.

EVERYTHING is predicated on getting Vinny OUT of DC..Skins will be mediocre as long as he has anything to do with the skins.

EVERYTHING is predicated on getting Vinny OUT of DC..Skins will be mediocre as long as he has anything to do with the skins.

Public stoning at half time during the Dallas game? Larry can provide the stones, he should be able to get them at a discount since he's a nurseryman and all.

My co workers dream scenario. Wasn't he GM and HC @ Denver for the last couple of years?

I looked that up and couldn't verify. In any event, I'm not feeling the Shanahan as GM vibe.

EVERYTHING is predicated on getting Vinny OUT of DC..Skins will be mediocre as long as he has anything to do with the skins.

That suggests that the person who hired him is going to change his ways of running the team. I'd argue as long as Dan so enjoys his involvement then Vinny is nothing more than a symptom.

This is, like Dallas, very much the owners team and those owners, very much, want to be part OF the team.

Public stoning at half time during the Dallas game? Larry can provide the stones, he should be able to get them at a discount since he's a nurseryman and all.

I've lost the passion. It took a major blow when Gibbs did something he NEVER did, took a starters job, a starting QB, away due to injury, a minor injury; Ramsey, Bears, game one in Gibbs II, year two, to go back to Brunell.

It really started to unravel with the Zorn fiasco elevation to HC.

I was done when I found myself actually rooting for the Lions to finish us off a few weeks ago. I laughed when Hall tried and failed, miserably, to get a mediocre, non running QB on the ground 4 yards short of a game ending first down.

I have no interest in taking the time to stone anyone at half time let alone wasting an entire day to go to FedEx.

Snyder has, if not killed my love for the Skins, then certainly put it on life support.

Is Vinny the one who hired Zorn?

Is Vinny the one who hired Zorn?

What's the point? Whether he 'hired' him or not, do you have ANY doubt that Dan was involved in the decision?

What's the point? Whether he 'hired' him or not, do you have ANY doubt that Dan was involved in the decision?

No doubt at all. I am trying to grasp why Vinny is a huge problem. He is a Snyder conduit. Is it because he is firable and Snyder isn't?

I've lost the passion. It took a major blow when Gibbs did something he NEVER did, took a starters job, a starting QB, away due to injury, a minor injury; Ramsey, Bears, game one in Gibbs II, year two, to go back to Brunell.

It really started to unravel with the Zorn fiasco elevation to HC.

I was done when I found myself actually rooting for the Lions to finish us off a few weeks ago. I laughed when Hall tried and failed, miserably, to get a mediocre, non running QB on the ground 4 yards short of a game ending first down.

I have no interest in taking the time to stone anyone at half time let alone wasting an entire day to go to FedEx.

Snyder has, if not killed my love for the Skins, then certainly put it on life support.


Sucks, don't it? Feels like someone stole my birthright.

To even consider this is to entirely miss the Gibbs history of the Redskins, especially the Gibbs II period.

Why do you suppose Snydie was meeting with Gibbs, rekindle fond memories?

Sucks, don't it? Feels like someone stole my birthright.

Stealing would have been better; quick, over and done with, gone. Then, if nothing else, we could remember fondly.

As it is, firing Norv with three games to go, bringing in Dion, Bruce, buying Spurrier, the Marty "I'll never work for a guy like that unless he's enough of a chump to pay me millions of dollars the minute he can't control himself", bribing Gibbs and the whole 500 coaches joke, Portis the Anti Joe Gibbs Redskin, Moss, Archuletta, Lloyd, Trotter coming and going, letting Pierce go, the relentless building of a team from the D backfield, Brunell, on and on.

It's watching your birthright defaced bit by bit by bit and knowing how simple this was under the best owner of all time, Cooke;

"I want to hear how you are going to win AND THEN make it happen or get out."

Why do you suppose Snydie was meeting with Gibbs, rekindle fond memories?

If I'm Dan Snyder, I have lunch with Joe Gibbs just because I can have lunch with Joe Gibbs.

I don't hold anything against Snyder. I have no idea how I could resist doing much of the same kinds of things given the opportunity. I'd like to think I would do better with way less flash and way more later round draft picks but, Snyder I have no doubt, wants to win.

To answer the question, I have no doubt he asked Joe's opinion on how best to fire Zorn, when, who to go get next, etc.

No doubt at all. I am trying to grasp why Vinny is a huge problem. He is a Snyder conduit. Is it because he is firable and Snyder isn't?

Just checking that we are on the same page. Any animus directed at Vinny is, I guess, because of what you say; can't fire the owner.

OK, how could Snyder make things better? Typically teams suck and fall into disrepair because owners wont pay for talent. Snyder is the opposite, he is sitting there with his checkbook open waiting for someone to say "I wish we had........" BOOM they hsow up a Dulles with a lot of luggage.

"I want to hear how you are going to win AND THEN make it happen or get out."


I don't see winning as something in the foreseeable future with Campbell as QB and swapping out head coaches every other year.

I can't think of one team that changes QB's and coaches as much as Washington and has had a consistent winning record.

OK, how could Snyder make things better? Typically teams suck and fall into disrepair because owners wont pay for talent. Snyder is the opposite, he is sitting there with his checkbook open waiting for someone to say "I wish we had........" BOOM they hsow up a Dulles with a lot of luggage.

That's the problem; he can't make it better. His nature, his mindset prohibits doing what consistently good teams do; owners stay out of the football stuff and let the football people handle the football stuff.

Dan looks at everything from his forte, a promotion standpoint, not a team building standpoint.

Haynesworth was a huge mistake but, it sounds 100% like Dan.

Cinncy, two off seasons ago, because they are dumber than us, I suppose, did NOT take two first rounders from us for 85.

Look at Blache; there is NO heat on him and the defense is WORSE than last year. How can that be?

There are no signs, few, anyway, of some sort of fundamental change in how things work around here.

I don't see winning as something in the foreseeable future with Campbell as QB and swapping out head coaches every other year.

I can't think of one team that changes QB's and coaches as much as Washington and has had a consistent winning record.

Granted, it's not common but, the Bucs and Ravens were decent, long term winning teams with an ever changing cast of QB's. Hell, the Ravens won a Super Bowl and got RID of their QB!

Look at any good team; good GM's, stable, good coaching and a seemingly endless supply of good players. They find good young kids and they don't hold on to guys who just wanna get paid and the coaches are IN CHARGE of the players.

The Steelers, the Pats, Colts, they let guys go, stars, who no longer fit their concept of team. The stars they keep are as motivated as rookies to get better and win.

Is a gudeepoll anything like a magic stick? :confused:

If Zorn isn't gone by January 4th, I'm predicting a tragic drive-by in either the Leesburg or Landover areas before then. :ohwell:

My co workers dream scenario. Wasn't he GM and HC @ Denver for the last couple of years?
Shanahan may have been GM, but that wasn't necessarily good for the franchise. Probably was a good reason as to why he got fired. The talent level seemed to take a dive and the draft picks weren't as good. Hiring Shanahan as the friggin GM would be retarded.

I don't see winning as something in the foreseeable future with Campbell as QB and swapping out head coaches every other year.

I can't think of one team that changes QB's and coaches as much as Washington and has had a consistent winning record.

Typically QB and coach changes occur when a team is struggling, which is probably why you don't see teams that do that consistently winning. It's not like coaches leave because they are successful and can have upward growth elsewhere, as is the case in the NCAA.

Bye week could be the beginning of the end for Zorn - Adam Schefter

Tuesday, October 13, 2009 | Print Entry (http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/print?id=4555451&type=blogEntry)


<!-- begin free preview text -->"As the clock ticks down on Redskins head coach Jim Zorn, some around the league believe it will start ticking loudest shortly after Washington's Monday night game against the Philadelphia Eagles (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=phi) Oct. 26th. With Washington's bye week scheduled for Sunday Nov. 1, some NFL executives are pointing to the week before as a logical time for Redskins owner Daniel Snyder to fire Zorn if the team does not have a sudden and dramatic turnaround."



Looks like some NFL Insiders are predicting Oct 27th, as the date when Jim Zorn will get canned. Losing to the Eagles is not an option if Zorn wants to keep his job. :popcorn:

Is a gudeepoll anything like a magic stick? :confused:



More like an ugly stick...or ugly shtick?

or ugly shtick?

winnah winnah chicken dinnah :yahoo:

Shanahan may have been GM, but that wasn't necessarily good for the franchise. Probably was a good reason as to why he got fired. The talent level seemed to take a dive and the draft picks weren't as good. Hiring Shanahan as the friggin GM would be retarded.





The team that Shanahan helped build is now 5-0... yep, real nose dive. Shanahan has a habit of putting pretty much anybody in the backfield and making a 1000 yard rusher out of them. Whether it is the talent of the RB or the OL or a combination of the two Shanahan had/has a way of coaching and/or scouting it out. Eddie Royal yeah, he was a bad pick, picking up Champ Bailey for C.Po, horrid, Brandon Marshall is even coming around (as displayed by his performance in weeks 4&5).

The team that Shanahan helped build is now 5-0... yep, real nose dive. Shanahan has a habit of putting pretty much anybody in the backfield and making a 1000 yard rusher out of them. Whether it is the talent of the RB or the OL or a combination of the two Shanahan had/has a way of coaching and/or scouting it out. Eddie Royal yeah, he was a bad pick, picking up Champ Bailey for C.Po, horrid, Brandon Marshall is even coming around (as displayed by his performance in weeks 4&5).

Yup.

They, whomever was in charge, picked up solid O line men and then they got coached very well. Not the huge monsters Dallas always seems to find, but the Indy/New England types that are big enough while still being able to be very mobile, good technique and then, frankly, anyone with the physical tools to be considered NFL caliber RB can go from being a 3.5 yard guy on most teams to a 4.5 guy for them.

Portis was a TOTAL mistake for us and I place that 100% on Gibbs; the LAST guy you want for a bulldozer type O line that we had and seemed to be building, was a guy that came from a zone blocking, don't get touched the first 3 yards scheme.

I chalk that one up to Joe being given the credit card and being told "Go buy whatever you like!" So, a pick up truck operation gets a Maserati because we can. :shrug:

Portis was a TOTAL mistake for us and I place that 100% on Gibbs;

It wasn't so much about getting Portis as it was getting rid of Bailey.

It wasn't so much about getting Portis as it was getting rid of Bailey.

Wasn't there some kind of extra marital scandal rumors about Bailey and a Post staff writer?

It wasn't so much about getting Portis as it was getting rid of Bailey.

Yeah, you told me that. However, we could have gotten something else for Bailey, maybe picks, a good used chamber pot, something, or then traded Portis to someone else. The guy is a warrior. I just never felt good about him fitting here.

Again, I think it was that Joe was told "Sure! Order whatever you want!" and he chose dessert over vegetables.

Yup.

They, whomever was in charge, picked up solid O line men and then they got coached very well. Not the huge monsters Dallas always seems to find, but the Indy/New England types that are big enough while still being able to be very mobile, good technique and then, frankly, anyone with the physical tools to be considered NFL caliber RB can go from being a 3.5 yard guy on most teams to a 4.5 guy for them.

Portis was a TOTAL mistake for us and I place that 100% on Gibbs; the LAST guy you want for a bulldozer type O line that we had and seemed to be building, was a guy that came from a zone blocking, don't get touched the first 3 yards scheme.

I chalk that one up to Joe being given the credit card and being told "Go buy whatever you like!" So, a pick up truck operation gets a Maserati because we can. :shrug:


Shanahan was the "de facto" general manager and vice president of football operations (wait for links and sources) for 14 years which includes 2 Super Bowl victories and one while O coordinator for SF in 94.

Shanahan's his man as Bowlen discusses reasons for GM's firing - NFL - ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3299579)
Mike Shanahan Getting Hush Money From Denver Broncos -- NFL FanHouse (http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/07/21/mike-shanahan-getting-hush-money-from-denver-broncos/)

Shanahan was the "de facto" general manager and vice president of football operations (wait for links and sources) for 14 years which includes 2 Super Bowl victories and one while O coordinator for SF in 94.

Shanahan's his man as Bowlen discusses reasons for GM's firing - NFL - ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3299579)
Mike Shanahan Getting Hush Money From Denver Broncos -- NFL FanHouse (http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/07/21/mike-shanahan-getting-hush-money-from-denver-broncos/)

Fine by me. I don't see how that makes him a good fit to be GM with some other big name coaching. Recipe for disaster in my book. I will say it sounds exactly like what Dan will do next.

Fine by me. I don't see how that makes him a good fit to be GM with some other big name coaching. Recipe for disaster in my book. I will say it sounds exactly like what Dan will do next.

For me, either or will work. Shanahan seems like a guy who has the ability to put together a good team where Cowher has the ability to motivate. (Not necessarily the ability to motivate the current roster.)

Hypothetical:
If Cowher says to Shanahan we need x to accomplish y. Shanahan is going to know and recognize what he is talking about. The unknown for this recipe is the collective ego aspect of the whole thing. 2 coaches with 5 Sb rings between them.

Reality:
Dan will look at somebody like the coach from Texas Tech (we don't need no stinking running game) and think, "this is my guy... again".:ohwell:

For me, either or will work. Shanahan seems like a guy who has the ability to put together a good team where Cowher has the ability to motivate. (Not necessarily the ability to motivate the current roster.)


I am of the opinion that guys like that make their mark ON THE WAY to being a super star coach and it simply ain't gonna work with established people who have that resume "Hey, my way worked, pal..."

Look at Parcells; everywhere he went he won...and didn't get along with ownership or GM's.

I just can't see it.

The team that Shanahan helped build is now 5-0... yep, real nose dive. Shanahan has a habit of putting pretty much anybody in the backfield and making a 1000 yard rusher out of them. Whether it is the talent of the RB or the OL or a combination of the two Shanahan had/has a way of coaching and/or scouting it out. Eddie Royal yeah, he was a bad pick, picking up Champ Bailey for C.Po, horrid, Brandon Marshall is even coming around (as displayed by his performance in weeks 4&5).

They were sucking the past few seasons and even with their 5-0 success nobody is really convinced of how good they are. The New England win was impressive though. Shanahan had very good schemes to make 1000 yard rushers, but that is his COACHING, not his GM abilities :smack:

I never questioned Shanahan as a coach. But Denver's high draft picks recently haven't panned out and their FA pickups really weren't either.

I am of the opinion that guys like that make their mark ON THE WAY to being a super star coach and it simply ain't gonna work with established people who have that resume "Hey, my way worked, pal..."

Look at Parcells; everywhere he went he won...and didn't get along with ownership or GM's.

I just can't see it.

Frankly, if Snyder butts the eff out of football operations and Vinny is gone, I will take anyone.

Frankly, if Snyder butts the eff out of football operations and Vinny is gone, I will take anyone.

If.

If.

.... my grandmother had balls, she'd be my grandfather.

.... my grandmother had balls, she'd be my grandfather.

Sounds like a good thread, there! :buddies:

Frankly, if Snyder butts the eff out of football operations and Vinny is gone, I will take anyone.

When pigs fly. And for that, I give you MATT MILLEN! :jet:

They were sucking the past few seasons and even with their 5-0 success nobody is really convinced of how good they are. The New England win was impressive though. Shanahan had very good schemes to make 1000 yard rushers, but that is his COACHING, not his GM abilities :smack:

I never questioned Shanahan as a coach. But Denver's high draft picks recently haven't panned out and their FA pickups really weren't either.

Oh silly me 5-0 is not impressive at all. Granted, the first three opponents were not that great but the Dallas and NE games show what they are capable of. Tell Peyton Manning and the Colts that 5-0 is not a gauge of how good you are.:rolleyes: Obviously he had to have seen something in potential RBs in order to sign them THEN coach them.

Oh silly me 5-0 is not impressive at all. Granted, the first three opponents were not that great but the Dallas and NE games show what they are capable of. Tell Peyton Manning and the Colts that 5-0 is not a gauge of how good you are.:rolleyes: Obviously he had to have seen something in potential RBs in order to sign them THEN coach them.

He wasn't GM for that long. The running game hadn't been going as well the last few years as it had prior to that. 5-0 is impressive and considering their division they'll probably get at least 8-10 wins. But Dallas has been a disappointment and NE has been inconsistent this season.

Former Denver Broncos head coach Mike Shanahan is likely set for life. He made a good chunk of change in his 14 years as head coach in the Mile High City, especially since many of those years were spent in the dual role of head coach and general manager.

Former Denver Broncos head coach Mike Shanahan is likely set for life. He made a good chunk of change in his 14 years as head coach in the Mile High City, especially since many of those years were spent in the dual role of head coach and general manager.

And what in the world would be his motivation to go back to 100 hour work weeks? Especially with a meddling boss?

Just to give you folks a little rest and reprieve from the daily gripe session -

ESPN is floating a rumor that the Buffalo Bills are investigating a chance to trade T. O. - to the Chicago Bears, for a 'player to be named later'........:lol:

Former Denver Broncos head coach Mike Shanahan is likely set for life. He made a good chunk of change in his 14 years as head coach in the Mile High City, especially since many of those years were spent in the dual role of head coach and general manager.

Shanahan wasn't GM til '07. Not sure if that was before or after the '07 season though. So 1-2 years. There's our answer. Not "many years".

And what in the world would be his motivation to go back to 100 hour work weeks? Especially with a meddling boss?
And that was going to be my other point. So basically kom argues first that he's a good GM over a long period of time (untrue), then argues that he says he doesn't need the money...so what's the point?

Just to give you folks a little rest and reprieve from the daily gripe session -

ESPN is floating a rumor that the Buffalo Bills are investigating a chance to trade T. O. - to the Chicago Bears, for a 'player to be named later'........:lol:
That'd be a smart move for the Da Bearz!

Just to give you folks a little rest and reprieve from the daily gripe session -

ESPN is floating a rumor that the Buffalo Bills are investigating a chance to trade T. O. - to the Chicago Bears, for a 'player to be named later'........:lol:

It is not possible for me to care less about TO.


In fact...

And what in the world would be his motivation to go back to 100 hour work weeks? Especially with a meddling boss?

I was posting that for Betas edification, it's a clip from an article I posted earlier.

But on that note WHO would be motivated enough to work for Dan Snyder? Especially if Cerrato is not removed from the player personnel decision making scheme. Let Vinny decide about staffing around Redskins Park and FedUp field and ONLY those two places.

I'm not putting my support behind Shanahan, I just picked him as an example to use in the debate and I am defending my position based on my selection. I would have done the same for Cowher or Gruden, not so much for Fassel or Holmgren.

But on that note WHO would be motivated enough to work for Dan Snyder? Especially if Cerrato is not removed from the player personnel decision making scheme. Let Vinny decide about staffing around Redskins Park and FedUp field and ONLY those two places.

There is ZERO problem finding someone who wants the job. Snyders challenge is in discerning between who he wants and who would actually be a good choice.

Shanahan, Cowher, Gruden, all bad choices. So, that is who he wants, thus the catch 22 or Redskin World.


:lol:

When pigs fly. And for that, I give you MATT MILLEN! :jet:

I said anyone..and I would take Millen if Snyder got out. Not a problem

I was posting that for Betas edification, it's a clip from an article I posted earlier.

you may wanna work on your verbiage :eyebrow:

it was inaccurate anyway.

I said anyone..and I would take Millen if Snyder got out. Not a problem

but Detroit under Millen was far worse than Washington under Snyder. You sure about that?

I said anyone..and I would take Millen if Snyder got out. Not a problem

Rich Kotite?

Shanahan wasn't GM til '07. Not sure if that was before or after the '07 season though. So 1-2 years. There's our answer. Not "many years".


And that was going to be my other point. So basically kom argues first that he's a good GM over a long period of time (untrue), then argues that he says he doesn't need the money...so what's the point?




I never posted anything about Shanahan not needing the money... I Nonno'd that little clip from an article I found online which I referenced in a post to Larry earlier in this thread. Shananhan was HC and VP of Football operations (personnel decisions) for a "good part" of those 14 years.

It is not possible for me to care less about TO.


In fact...

The 'Skins could have obtained T.O. - if Dan Snyder had offered him a few dollars........?

you may wanna work on your verbiage :eyebrow:

it was inaccurate anyway.



but Detroit under Millen was far worse than Washington under Snyder. You sure about that?

You can't effing read?? Did I say anyone or not? :killingme:killingme

The 'Skins could have obtained T.O. - if Dan Snyder had offered him a few dollars........?

Dan Snyder wants nothing to do with anyone that costs a 'few' dollars.

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TomKat will issue a statement after this evenings Scientology meeting.

You can't effing read?? Did I say anyone or not? :killingme:killingme

yes, I'm just questioning your sanity. You're taking a grass is always greener on the other side approach when that's not always the case. Just in the Skins case, it almost always is. :lol:

Dan Snyder wants nothing to do with anyone that costs a 'few' dollars.

THAT ONE, might just qualify for "Quote of The Day"! :killingme

OK, how could Snyder make things better? Typically teams suck and fall into disrepair because owners wont pay for talent. Snyder is the opposite, he is sitting there with his checkbook open waiting for someone to say "I wish we had........" BOOM they hsow up a Dulles with a lot of luggage.

The problem has been a culture of money, greed and some (not all) lackluster coaches. In this particular culture you need a coach like Tomlin, Gruden, Singletary or even Marty. An old school coach who's worried about the hard work and little details and not letting individual players get what they want.

So, the problem isn't with Snyder throwing money at it necessarily. I see the problem moreso of Snyder not wanting to step aside and letting a quality GM pick a coach. Snyder wants a yes-man. Snyder caters to the players. The players know this.

Shanahan may have been GM, but that wasn't necessarily good for the franchise. Probably was a good reason as to why he got fired. The talent level seemed to take a dive and the draft picks weren't as good. Hiring Shanahan as the friggin GM would be retarded.

I'm pretty sure he had a winning record in all or most of his seasons as head coach with the exception of last season 8-8. Sounds good to me.

Not to mention he helped in the selection of Cutler, Royal and Marshall. Furthermore helping in the development in numerous running backs and tight ends.

I'd take him.

I never questioned Shanahan as a coach. But Denver's high draft picks recently haven't panned out and their FA pickups really weren't either.
DraftHistory.com (http://www.drafthistory.com/teams/broncos.html)

Despite the 2007 season whereby there were little picks the Broncos organization had done very well IMO.

DraftHistory.com (http://www.drafthistory.com/teams/broncos.html)

Despite the 2007 season whereby there were little picks the Broncos organization had done very well IMO.

You dare to argue with the omnipotent Beta? :yikes:

You dare to argue with the omnipotent Beta? :yikes:
Oh shoot, forgot. Let me delete that post.

Oh shoot, forgot. I'm not premo.

You dare to argue with the omnipotent Beta? :yikes:

Oh shoot, forgot. Let me delete that post.

Oh shoot, forgot. I'm not premo.

:killingme

You dare to argue with the omnipotent Beta? :yikes:

HOW DARE HE! :tantrum

actually when i said recent, i meant '07 and '08, neither of which appears to be panning out at the moment (so really BL was agreeing with me, muahaha). Before that, Shanahan wasn't king of the personnel department. He probably helped, but I was just arguing recent history shows maybe he isn't the best GM in the world. He's a good coach and should be coaching again next year.

HOW DARE HE! :tantrum

actually when i said recent, i meant '07 and '08, neither of which appears to be panning out at the moment (so really BL was agreeing with me, muahaha). Before that, Shanahan wasn't king of the personnel department. He probably helped, but I was just arguing recent history shows maybe he isn't the best GM in the world. He's a good coach and should be coaching again next year.
Recent history means nil in the NFL. A majority of the recent prospects that come out of each and every NFL draft don't mature until at least their 2nd or 3rd year. With that said, Shannahan had direct ties to the personnel department, which eventually lead to the promotion a few years back. I'd still take him.

Muhahaha

Recent history means nil in the NFL. A majority of the recent prospects that come out of each and every NFL draft don't mature until at least their 2nd or 3rd year. With that said, Shannahan had direct ties to the personnel department, which eventually lead to the promotion a few years back. I'd still take him.

Muhahaha

yeah but some of the guys from their recent drafts aren't even on the team anymore, including a couple of high draft choices that I think they cut. If that's the case, that's bad! But maybe something else happened, who knows.

And you're a Skins fan, you'd take anyone with a pulse. You guys haven't had a half decent personnel director in years. But you wouldn't take him as GM if you wanted to contend. But hey, maybe he'd be a good starting step.

yeah but some of the guys from their recent drafts aren't even on the team anymore, including a couple of high draft choices that I think they cut. If that's the case, that's bad! But maybe something else happened, who knows.

And you're a Skins fan, you'd take anyone with a pulse. You guys haven't had a half decent personnel director in years. But you wouldn't take him as GM if you wanted to contend. But hey, maybe he'd be a good starting step.A new coach and GM brings in his own. Those draft picks weren't theirs so they feel no allegience.

I'm pretty sure a lot of teams would take Shannahan if they were in need of a coach/GM or at least would be willing to give him a shot. Look at Parcells for instance.

A new coach and GM brings in his own. Those draft picks weren't theirs so they feel no allegience.

I'm pretty sure a lot of teams would take Shannahan if they were in need of a coach/GM or at least would be willing to give him a shot. Look at Parcells for instance.

Parcells is doin a kickass job :yahoo:. I don't think a coach should also be a GM...too much to handle and it usually ends up screwing the team up. So maybe Shanahan would be good as just a GM if that was his only focus, but he's a good coach and I'd much rather see him back on the field.

Parcells is doin a kickass job :yahoo:. I don't think a coach should also be a GM...too much to handle and it usually ends up screwing the team up. So maybe Shanahan would be good as just a GM if that was his only focus, but he's a good coach and I'd much rather see him back on the field.
Yeah, I think that's where a lot of those experiments go wrong. A coach should coach and a GM should manage. If you want to switch, switch but don't do both. They both require full time +++.