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Hmmm. Wonder if he'll change his mind in the offseason.

Interesting, hadn't seen this (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2009/10/stunned-reaction-in-redskins-owners-box-as-fans-chant-sell-the-team-to-daniel-snyder/1)

Hey, it's gotta suck for him, too. I have zero doubt he wants things to go well and lord knows money is no object. However, his frustration between wanting to play with HIS toy and things going well has got to be pretty bad.

:buddies:

Interesting, hadn't seen this (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2009/10/stunned-reaction-in-redskins-owners-box-as-fans-chant-sell-the-team-to-daniel-snyder/1)

:faint: Wow, just wow... even Dan's old-lady acknowledges where the teams problems start. The boy just needs to realize all he needs to do is get someone to run the team for him that understands how to run a team, and just let him write the checks.

Even with a loosing team they are the 2nd most valuable team in the NFL, with 1st going to the Cowboys (but they always exchange this "title" every few years.) Just imagine the value if the team was winning... he would be making more $$$ which would make him happy.

It has not been the same team since Jack Kent Cooke's death. :ohwell:

Hey, it's gotta suck for him, too. I have zero doubt he wants things to go well and lord knows money is no object. However, his frustration between wanting to play with HIS toy and things going well has got to be pretty bad.

:buddies:

He doesn't give a rat's ass. The ONLY way he will care is when the bucks stop rolling in.

He doesn't give a rat's ass.

You really think it's like that? Really?

:bawl:

Carlos Rogers calls out ownership (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/redskins/2009-10-12-nfl-redskins-zorn_N.htm);

It's unusual for a player to implicate owner Dan Snyder and executive vice president for football operations Vinny Cerrato along with everyone else. After painting that picture, Rogers was asked what could be done in the short team to address the team's needs.

"You can't do too much right now," Rogers said. "You just have to go with what you've got and make the best for it, and that's what we're doing. They're making changes where they feel they need to make changes. Other than that, players are going to have to step up, coaches are going to have to step up, and we've just got to find a way — that's the bottom line — we've got to find a way to turn it around and deal with what we've got."

Great way to put it and I am glad he said it - hopefully he will get the ax because I have never been impressed with his coverage.

You really think it's like that? Really?

:bawl:

Absolutely.

Even with a loosing team they are the 2nd most valuable team in the NFL, with 1st going to the Cowboys (but they always exchange this "title" every few years.)

They won't stay the 2nd most valuable long unless major changes are made in the way the team is run..I really think the hard core fans have had it, I know I have. My b-i-l has had 4 club seats for the last 8 yrs and he isn't renewing, says clients don't want to go..Sports, in general, have finally overpriced themselves,IMO. I've gone to Skins games with 2 free club seats, free parking pass and still spend over 100 without buying anything special. Season nosebleed seats along with the effing seat license cost you an arm and a leg. ALOT of people are deciding they can do without the Fedex experience. It isn't anything special to go to Fedex, but that could be nostalgia on my part.

I would trade the entire Redskin team for the Lions right now but the Lion ownership would laff in our face and say you got to be kidding. The cupboard is bare, aside from 2 or 3 players...there is nothing but mediocre talent and lousy attitudes. Gotta hand it to Snyder, he 1-upped Angelos in destroying a franchaise.

They won't stay the 2nd most valuable long unless major changes are made in the way the team is run..I really think the hard core fans have had it, I know I have. My b-i-l has had 4 club seats for the last 8 yrs and he isn't renewing, says clients don't want to go..Sports, in general, have finally overpriced themselves,IMO. I've gone to Skins games with 2 free club seats, free parking pass and still spend over 100 without buying anything special. Season nosebleed seats along with the effing seat license cost you an arm and a leg. ALOT of people are deciding they can do without the Fedex experience. It isn't anything special to go to Fedex, but that could be nostalgia on my part.

I would trade the entire Redskin team for the Lions right now but the Lion ownership would laff in our face and say you got to be kidding. The cupboard is bare, aside from 2 or 3 players...there is nothing but mediocre talent and lousy attitudes. Gotta hand it to Snyder, he 1-upped Angelos in destroying a franchaise.

You know, I saw a lot of empty seats this past game and this has seemed to be a trend at Fed-Ex Field. I was wondering this past Sunday if we have seen the breaking point with the cost of going to a game. Two years ago I was talking to a guy behind us (in club level) and he had 8 seats and that was probably his last year as the cost went up every year and he just did not want to mess with it...

I agree, even with free tickets it is easy to drop $100 without even blinking an eye.

With the way the economy is right now I know it is not helping any sports franchise, but even then their surely is a limit to what the fans will bear. I know I am more comfortable in my recliner and can even pause the game to take a leak, where there is no line. :yay:

Steve Spurrier's contract with South Carolina expires after the 2012 season. I know nobody wants to wait that long to get this thing turned around, but ...

I'm not trying to say anything, I'm just saying.

Steve Spurrier's contract with South Carolina expires after the 2012 season. I know nobody wants to wait that long to get this thing turned around, but ...

I'm not trying to say anything, I'm just saying.

:roflmao: We can go full circle.

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Hmmm. Wonder if he'll change his mind in the offseason.
Why would he change his mind? No good coach wants to go to the Redskins. Sorry but it's not happening with the current setup. Like I said elsewhere, you'll get a coordinator that gets a promotion by becoming a head coach. Even then, it'd probably be a mediocre coordinator and not a top flight guy, or at least someone that isn't sure he'd ever get another chance to coach again. Right now, the Skins head coaching job is a potential career killer. Nobody wanted it last time and you ended up with the QB coach, Zorn. Zorn will probably never see an OC position again, let alone a HC position again...so who would go in to that type of situation willingly?

You know, I saw a lot of empty seats this past game and this has seemed to be a trend at Fed-Ex Field. I was wondering this past Sunday if we have seen the breaking point with the cost of going to a game. Two years ago I was talking to a guy behind us (in club level) and he had 8 seats and that was probably his last year as the cost went up every year and he just did not want to mess with it...

I agree, even with free tickets it is easy to drop $100 without even blinking an eye.

With the way the economy is right now I know it is not helping any sports franchise, but even then their surely is a limit to what the fans will bear. I know I am more comfortable in my recliner and can even pause the game to take a leak, where there is no line. :yay:

I called up some ticket company this past week for a parking pass. They were practically begging me to purchase tickets and were offering them at dirt cheap prices. They basically couldn't sell them. Looking at the stadium, it was pretty evident nobody cared about the game. It was half empty and even worse by the 4th quarter.

:roflmao: We can go full circle.

:roflmao: :roflmao:

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Hmmm. Wonder if he'll change his mind in the offseason.

UHG I hope not. He is no better than what we have......Give Cowher the checkbook and lets be done with it already.

UHG I hope not. He is no better than what we have......Give Cowher the checkbook and lets be done with it already.

I love Cowher as a coach..but not as a GM..Same as Gibbs...2 totally different animals, coach and GM.

Interesting, hadn't seen this (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2009/10/stunned-reaction-in-redskins-owners-box-as-fans-chant-sell-the-team-to-daniel-snyder/1)

I can't for a minute believe that it is news to Snyder that the fans dislike him.

Gruden/Shanahan/Cowher = not coming to Washington. Maybe you'll get a former head coach like Martz who probably will never get another chance anywhere else. Otherwise, mid-tier coordinator. The way things are going, the Skins are a career killer right now. Unless the coach can bring on a new GM and they have total control of the franchise, you won't get someone who is OK with Snyder wasting big money on bad talent that they're forced to play.

Rumor has it when Zorn goes Vinny will go. Let's keep our fingers crossed.
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Gruden/Shanahan/Cowher = not coming to Washington. Maybe you'll get a former head coach like Martz who probably will never get another chance anywhere else. Otherwise, mid-tier coordinator. The way things are going, the Skins are a career killer right now. Unless the coach can bring on a new GM and they have total control of the franchise, you won't get someone who is OK with Snyder wasting big money on bad talent that they're forced to play.


Beta, No good coach is going to come in mid-season. They know they have a very slim chance of turning things around. One thing I can say is money talks and we will see who will be lured by it.

Beta, No good coach is going to come in mid-season. They know they have a very slim chance of turning things around. One thing I can say is money talks and we will see who will be lured by it.

and Beta assumes a coach will bring a GM?? Thats backwards..:lol:

Damn they cut Mason. It was nice to see a hungry young guy finally make the team after busting hump and impressing during 2 preseasons.

Hell he was as effective as Portis :shrug: I figured there was an Easterns Motors commercial in his future.

Damn they cut Mason. It was nice to see a hungry young guy finally make the team after busting hump and impressing during 2 preseasons.

Hell he was as effective as Portis :shrug: I figured there was an Easterns Motors commercial in his future.

I saw that earlier...thought he was a positive in a sea of negatives.

Damn they cut Mason. It was nice to see a hungry young guy finally make the team after busting hump and impressing during 2 preseasons.

Hell he was as effective as Portis :shrug: I figured there was an Easterns Motors commercial in his future.

According to the Sports Reporters, he has whiffed on blocks/blitzes more than he has run the ball. He was in early for KC, badly missed picking up a blitz and then sat for the rest of the game.

who's fault is it the coach's, players, or management. I believe we have great players I like jason cambell always have I seem like the only person that likes him he's good he doesn't have time. I blame it on jim zorn now he just stands there not calling plays he need's to be fired.:banghead:

Damn they cut Mason. It was nice to see a hungry young guy finally make the team after busting hump and impressing during 2 preseasons.

Hell he was as effective as Portis :shrug: I figured there was an Easterns Motors commercial in his future.

I liked him too. They let go of Alridge also to bring back Wynn? Another one who's over the hill. :bigwhoop: Then they sign an O-lineman from Cincinatti who's 30. Can't we get some younger players? Yes, I know 30 isnt that old, but in football years it is. :rolleyes:

Excerpts from Brian Mitchell's radio show....interesting..

22202, Washington, D.C.: Hi Brian, Thanks for coming on. Just a quick question: if the Redskins are stripping Zorn of playcalling duties, why don't they give them to the Offensive Coordinator instead? Since he has been in the offense since the summer, it seems like the better option.

Brian Mitchell: Well, the reason is because two weeks ago we heard that Shem Lewis was just coming in to be eyes. They already had plans.

The reason the Redskins didn't give Mitchell or Sherm Smith, the offensive coordinator, those duties is because the Redskins don't operate the way a typical team does.

Do you think Bob Kraft would come down and strip play calling from Belichick? No way. Would Rooney do that to Cowher or Tomlin in Pittsburgh? No way.

Look at other teams, and who's been worse than us in the past 10 years? The Lions, probably. Heck, the Cardinals have been to the Super Bowl. The Bengals have been in the playoffs and are sitting at 4-2. That's the problem with this team, it's not improving and getting closer to other teams. It's making tons of money, but it's not competitive.

The fans want to see more Lombardi Trophies. They want to see what this regime can do. I see those trophies every year, and it pisses me off because I know there's no chance we're going to get to another one next year.

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Depressed in D.C.: BMitch,

What would your reaction be if you were in the Redskins locker room and your head coach had just had his playcalling duties taken away from him by a personnel executive (Cerrato) that most people consider to be a joke to begin with? Is it possible for Zorn to walk back into that locker room today and have any authority?

Brian Mitchell: I would look at the reaction of my head coach. That's going to decide whether we were going to continue to follow and support our coach or not.

This was the same situation we had with Norv Turner. When they came into the locker room and berated him after that loss to Dallas, he basically lost our respect. When you hear that a snake was in the locker room at Redskins Park, the players are talking about Vinny.

That should tell Snyder right away that he has the wrong guy.

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Fredericksburg, Va.: B-Mitch would you like to provide some insight as to why it appears that so many of the great Redskins players of the past including yourself have not become part of the new regime to help right this once great dynasty?

It appears from my viewpoint that many players have gone to lengths to distance themselves from this ownership/management group.

Do you see any circumstances under which this would change?

Brian Mitchell: We're not distancing ourselves, the ownership is distancing us. People like me that aren't going to be bullied by anybody aren't allowed to be around.

I was at the radio station that the owner owns, and I'm not there anymore. I speak my mind about the team. Think that's a coincidence? They said it was the economy, but Tony Kornheiser is back there now, and I think he's making more money on that show than Brian Mitchell was ...

There's a lot of people who played for the Redskins who would love to bring it back, and they're not given the opportunity.

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Washington, D.C.: The Redskins have allowed Clinton Portis to perform while being injured? Shouldn't they allow Anthony Aldrige the opportunity to play rather than keep the "fresh rookie" on the bench?

Brian Mitchell: I don't know how to respond to this, becuase Portis seems to be able to do whatever he feels like. I feel like if you're not practicing every day, you shouldn't be allowed to play.

We've seen he had the one big run. You play like you practice. A lot of guys are playing like they practice: They're laying down, getting beat because that's what they do in practice, taking a day off. What's a day off? It looks to me more like a volleyball team or badminton team rather than a gladiator football team to me a lot of times.

Today guys are given starting positions. Put the fear back in these players and they'll have to work for it. As much as I blame Vinny Cerrato or Jim Zorn, I blame the players just as much. Because they've got to go out and perform.

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Silver Spring, Md.: B-Mitch,

I'm not sure if everyone knows or not, but you're not just a former Redskin, you're a fan like the rest of us so you're criticism is out of love for the team.

With that said, what is the most substantial and influential move the Redskins can make at this moment to improve the team going in to next weeks' Monday night game against the hated Eagles?

Brian Mitchell: The most substantial move they can make this week? Oh my lord. You know what, they already have made a move that has hurt the team. If they would have come out and given Jim Zorn some type of vote of confidence that would have helped.

That would have helped breed togetherness in the team. But right now you have separation in the team, because some guys get favoritism. It has been affecting people's play, believe me.



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who's fault is it the coach's, players, or management. I believe we have great players I like jason cambell always have I seem like the only person that likes him he's good he doesn't have time. I blame it on jim zorn now he just stands there not calling plays he need's to be fired.:banghead:


I think the O-line theory was proven when Collins was put in the game on Sunday. Nevertheless, Jason Campbell makes awful decisions even when given time to throw the ball. He lacks the confidence to be a franchise QB. He holds the ball too long. You are not always going to get an open receiver and sometimes you have to just make a judgement to throw the ball anyway. I don't even care if he throws an interception anymore as long as he throws the damn ball instead of holding it! :tantrum:

Damn they cut Mason. It was nice to see a hungry young guy finally make the team after busting hump and impressing during 2 preseasons.

Hell he was as effective as Portis :shrug: I figured there was an Easterns Motors commercial in his future.


Mason had two bad qualities. He was young and was only making the minimum........Snyder only likes them when there 35+ and in need of millions.

Mason had two bad qualities. He was young and was only making the minimum........Snyder only likes them when there 35+ and in need of millions.

:yeahthat:

According to the Sports Reporters, he has whiffed on blocks/blitzes more than he has run the ball. He was in early for KC, badly missed picking up a blitz and then sat for the rest of the game.

That would do it. :ohwell: Especially when the line stinks your RB's have to pick up first penetration.

Beta, No good coach is going to come in mid-season. They know they have a very slim chance of turning things around. One thing I can say is money talks and we will see who will be lured by it.
I was talking about in the off-season. Nobody comes mid-season, it's always an interim promoted from within.

and Beta assumes a coach will bring a GM?? Thats backwards..:lol:
Not assuming, just speculating possibilities. It can happen and has happened before. If the coach is able to make enough demands, he can bring in a GM for personnel decisions. It would be the same as the coach actually being given GM priviledges, without having to do the work. That exists, right? Exactly.

Point being, the current setup for the Skins is bad. Whether the coach brings in a GM or a good GM is hired that the coach likes, something along those lines needs to happen before a top coach goes to Washington. Oh and Snyder needs to let go of the cookie jar. Why is it that some owners that do too much don't realize they are not only killing their teams, but hurting their own income? Stop screwing with the professionals!

who's fault is it the coach's, players, or management. I believe we have great players I like jason cambell always have I seem like the only person that likes him he's good he doesn't have time. I blame it on jim zorn now he just stands there not calling plays he need's to be fired.:banghead:
Management brings in the players. If the players were mediocre then you can't fault them for playing to their ability. The coaches can't be faulted if they can't bring players to play beyond their ability.

I think the key issue is management. Sure, the coaching staff sucks to some extent, but even if the play calling was better, I don't think the Skins would do well. The line isn't very good, so you need a strong RB. Portis isn't that type of RB. He needs a hole to work with before he can make people miss. The WRs are speedy guys. Speed guys typically need to go deep and outrun the coverage. You can't outrun the coverage if the QB is about to be sacked after a couple seconds dropping back. The Skins don't have good route runners or large bodies at WR, so they lose the aspect needed considering the blocking they have. Oh and a scrambling QB would probably help too.

So basically given the state of the OL, you have a bunch of square pegs trying to fit into round holes. Coaching can only get you so far before you need to upgrade talent and get more diverse skill players.

I think the O-line theory was proven when Collins was put in the game on Sunday. Nevertheless, Jason Campbell makes awful decisions even when given time to throw the ball. He lacks the confidence to be a franchise QB. He holds the ball too long. You are not always going to get an open receiver and sometimes you have to just make a judgement to throw the ball anyway. I don't even care if he throws an interception anymore as long as he throws the damn ball instead of holding it! :tantrum:

The decision to draft Campbell in the 1st round was one of the dumbest things I've seen in a long time (though the Bucs QB might be just as bad). The kid had 1 solid season after 3 horrible ones and suddenly he's a 1st round QB? What about the 3 bad seasons in college? He had 2 top notch RBs to take the heat off of him plus a great OL and a great defense. Well gee, no wonder why he had a successful season!

To be fair to Campbell, he hasn't been terrible, but this should have been expected. He was only good in 1 scheme in college and he needs a similar scheme with a similar set of talent around him to be successful. He can be a fine QB if he has a superior offense, but so can plenty of guys. Oh and he was much better than Collins, so I can understand why they're starting him again this week.

I was talking about in the off-season. Nobody comes mid-season, it's always an interim promoted from within.


Not assuming, just speculating possibilities. It can happen and has happened before. If the coach is able to make enough demands, he can bring in a GM for personnel decisions. It would be the same as the coach actually being given GM priviledges, without having to do the work. That exists, right? Exactly.

Point being, the current setup for the Skins is bad. Whether the coach brings in a GM or a good GM is hired that the coach likes, something along those lines needs to happen before a top coach goes to Washington. Oh and Snyder needs to let go of the cookie jar. Why is it that some owners that do too much don't realize they are not only killing their teams, but hurting their own income? Stop screwing with the professionals!


Management brings in the players. If the players were mediocre then you can't fault them for playing to their ability. The coaches can't be faulted if they can't bring players to play beyond their ability.

I think the key issue is management. Sure, the coaching staff sucks to some extent, but even if the play calling was better, I don't think the Skins would do well. The line isn't very good, so you need a strong RB. Portis isn't that type of RB. He needs a hole to work with before he can make people miss. The WRs are speedy guys. Speed guys typically need to go deep and outrun the coverage. You can't outrun the coverage if the QB is about to be sacked after a couple seconds dropping back. The Skins don't have good route runners or large bodies at WR, so they lose the aspect needed considering the blocking they have. Oh and a scrambling QB would probably help too.

So basically given the state of the OL, you have a bunch of square pegs trying to fit into round holes. Coaching can only get you so far before you need to upgrade talent and get more diverse skill players.



The decision to draft Campbell in the 1st round was one of the dumbest things I've seen in a long time (though the Bucs QB might be just as bad). The kid had 1 solid season after 3 horrible ones and suddenly he's a 1st round QB? What about the 3 bad seasons in college? He had 2 top notch RBs to take the heat off of him plus a great OL and a great defense. Well gee, no wonder why he had a successful season!

To be fair to Campbell, he hasn't been terrible, but this should have been expected. He was only good in 1 scheme in college and he needs a similar scheme with a similar set of talent around him to be successful. He can be a fine QB if he has a superior offense, but so can plenty of guys. Oh and he was much better than Collins, so I can understand why they're starting him again this week.



And exactly how many snaps do you think Collins has taken in practice recently? Don't count him out I'm sure Campbell will do something stupid again this week and Ol' Danny boy will pull him out again. (Sorry, I don't think for one second that was Zorn's decision).

Campbell is just too slow at reading the defenses. At the snap of the ball the defense will change coverage and jason just can't seem to jump from receiver to receiver quick enough, doesn't make good decisions.

Gruden/Shanahan/Cowher = not coming to Washington. Maybe you'll get a former head coach like Martz who probably will never get another chance anywhere else. Otherwise, mid-tier coordinator. The way things are going, the Skins are a career killer right now. Unless the coach can bring on a new GM and they have total control of the franchise, you won't get someone who is OK with Snyder wasting big money on bad talent that they're forced to play.

I think it will be Gruden or Holmgren, JMO

And exactly how many snaps do you think Collins has taken in practice recently? Don't count him out I'm sure Campbell will do something stupid again this week and Ol' Danny boy will pull him out again. (Sorry, I don't think for one second that was Zorn's decision).
The 2nd team practices too, ya know. He may not have practiced with the 1st string, but that doesn't mean he won't get reps. The guy is old, it's not like he's your future anyway. The season is over. You either stick it out with Campbell and see what he can do, or you trade for another QB...nevermind, trade deadline passed...or you sign a practice squad QB and see if he can do a good job. Collins is useless at this point.

I think it will be Gruden or Holmgren, JMO

If they only care about money and their ego is SO BIG that they think they can turn around a team and build a legacy...otherwise, this is a death trap for a career. And Holmgren retired, good luck pulling him out.

Why would he change his mind? No good coach wants to go to the Redskins. Sorry but it's not happening with the current setup. Like I said elsewhere, you'll get a coordinator that gets a promotion by becoming a head coach.
Sounds like you're talking out of your ass.:yay:

You mean, no good coach would want to come to the Redskins now. Next year is a different story, different chapter.

Gruden/Shanahan/Cowher = not coming to Washington. Maybe you'll get a former head coach like Martz who probably will never get another chance anywhere else. Otherwise, mid-tier coordinator. The way things are going, the Skins are a career killer right now. Unless the coach can bring on a new GM and they have total control of the franchise, you won't get someone who is OK with Snyder wasting big money on bad talent that they're forced to play.
Thank you for your front office acumen.:pete:

Point being, the current setup for the Skins is bad. Whether the coach brings in a GM or a good GM is hired that the coach likes, something along those lines needs to happen before a top coach goes to Washington.

Point taken. Who says that won't be changed in the off-season though?:eyebrow:

The Redskins organization is a bad one to date. The team isn't all that bad, however. The defense is a top 10 unit. The side of the ball you have to worry about is the offense, as usual.

The Redskins defense hasn't yeilded 28 points in 28 games straight. That is the longest streak currently in the NFL. Indianapolis, next best, has 14 straight.

So, the Skins job isn't a death trap necessarily. Especially if the innumerable amount of rumors about Vinny being canned come to fruition.

So, the Skins job isn't a death trap necessarily. Especially if the innumerable amount of rumors about Vinny being canned come to fruition.

Oh there would be much adulation and celebration!

Oh there would be much adulation and celebration!
I think it's actually gonna happen this year.:yay:

Everyone is coming out of the woodwork and blasting the GM.

Steve Largent. John Cooke. Frank Herzog. Riggins, Sonny, Sam and a load of other greats. Kornheiser and Rich Gannon met with Snyder at the last game; I believe Otter posted a link to as much.

That's just the tip of the ice berg.

Many are saying Zorn and Cerrato are linked. This would explain the rash moves lately to acquire Sherman Smith, change play callers, QB's and the like. Cerrato is desperate.

I think it's actually gonna happen this year.:yay:

Everyone is coming out of the woodwork and blasting the GM.

Steve Largent. John Cooke. Frank Herzog. Riggins, Sonny, Sam and a load of other greats. Kornheiser and Rich Gannon met with Snyder at the last game; I believe Otter posted a link to as much.

That's just the tip of the ice berg.

Many are saying Zorn and Cerrato are linked. This would explain the rash moves lately to acquire Sherman Smith, change play callers, QB's and the like. Cerrato is desperate.

I have an unopened bottle of grenadine so there'll be PLENTY for the Shirley Temple bash at your place.:getdown:

I heard the Largent interview on Sirius NFL this evening and I know Riggo has been slamming Snyratto for a while.(Thanks YouTube!) I'd like to know how Snyder feels after having one of his boyhood idols absolutely slamming him in cyberspace.

Sounds like you're talking out of your ass.:yay:

You mean, no good coach would want to come to the Redskins now. Next year is a different story, different chapter.
And it sounds like you're talking like an incredibly optimistic Redskins fan, not an unbiased observer. :yay:

Point taken. Who says that won't be changed in the off-season though?:eyebrow:

The Redskins organization is a bad one to date. The team isn't all that bad, however. The defense is a top 10 unit. The side of the ball you have to worry about is the offense, as usual.

The Redskins defense hasn't yeilded 28 points in 28 games straight. That is the longest streak currently in the NFL. Indianapolis, next best, has 14 straight.

So, the Skins job isn't a death trap necessarily. Especially if the innumerable amount of rumors about Vinny being canned come to fruition.

The defense is solid, sure. They kept letting KC march into FG territory and if KC only had more confidence in their kicker, they may would have tacked on a couple more FGs. But still, 20 or under and no TDs is a solid effort...even if it was against KC.

The offense is a major issue but it won't get fixed without a major overhaul. You've already got an offensive head coach, offensive coordinator, and an offensive consultant all trying to improve this offense. Yet even with all of that, they were still held to 6 points (and those were thanks to 2 huge plays) against the worst defense in the league.

So sure, if the GM is changed then that may fix things to some degree. But you forget that Snyder still has his fingers all over the organization and any GM that steps in the door will be hindered by him. The Skins are basically the east coast version of Oakland. Tell me, how many coaches have walked in and out of Oakland recently with a destroyed reputation for the NFL? For that matter, how about the Skins? Even Gibbs' reputation was somewhat damaged after his latest stint in Washington.

I don't think changing the GM will do that much, unless Snyder releases the reigns. To get a good GM, he's going to need to promise to lay off a bit AND give someone a big payday. Merely changing GMs while keeping the same infrastructure won't help any. Vinny is just the fall guy.

You guys are all thinking way too much. The answer is so obvious and it will never happen...at least not for a good, long while.

I think the O-line theory was proven when Collins was put in the game on Sunday. Nevertheless, Jason Campbell makes awful decisions even when given time to throw the ball. He lacks the confidence to be a franchise QB. He holds the ball too long. You are not always going to get an open receiver and sometimes you have to just make a judgement to throw the ball anyway. I don't even care if he throws an interception anymore as long as he throws the damn ball instead of holding it! :tantrum:

I do agree with that cambell really doesnt have down field vision i believe he can be good i wish they let him run more

You guys are all thinking way too much. The answer is so obvious and it will never happen...at least not for a good, long while.

Snyder finally realizes he's losing money, sells the team, and the new owner makes the Skins good again by leaving football decisions to football personnel?

Snyder finally realizes he's losing money, sells the team, and the new owner makes the Skins good again by leaving football decisions to football personnel?

Hopefully :pray:

Snyder finally realizes he's losing money, sells the team, and the new owner makes the Skins good again by leaving football decisions to football personnel?

Prays being said.

I kind of feel sorry for Snyder a little. Certainly not about treating fans like cash cows and fostering a fan-unfriendly franchise, but because he is the owner of the Washington Redskins and he wants to win.

Can anyone here say if somehow you bought the Redskins as your biggest and bestest man toy EVER! You have it and now you are supposed to just leave it alone and let someone else play with it?

I kind of feel sorry for Snyder a little. Certainly not about treating fans like cash cows and fostering a fan-unfriendly franchise, but because he is the owner of the Washington Redskins and he wants to win.

Can anyone here say if somehow you bought the Redskins as your biggest and bestest man toy EVER! You have it and now you are supposed to just leave it alone and let someone else play with it?

Kinda like buying an expensive show dog and letting an expert handler take it out on the show circuit because as the dog's owner, you love it and you want it to win, but you realize you don't know jack about showing the dog.

Snyder doesn't realize where football is concerned not only does he not know Jack..he hasn't even met Jack.

Kinda like buying an expensive show dog and letting an expert handler take it out on the show circuit because as the dog's owner, you love it and you want it to win, but you realize you don't know jack about showing the dog.

Snyder doesn't realize where football is concerned not only does he not know Jack..he hasn't even met Jack.

But for eons there have been owners who refuse to spend any money and let their teams languish. Snyder at least WANTS his team to win and is willing to spend.

:jerry:

Snyder finally realizes he's losing money, sells the team, and the new owner makes the Skins good again by leaving football decisions to football personnel?
He bought the team for 800 million. It's now valued at 1.6 Billion. Doubled his investment. He's not losing money.

But for eons there have been owners who refuse to spend any money and let their teams languish. Snyder at least WANTS his team to win and is willing to spend.

I dunno...I only know what I see and hear. Can't want them to win too bad if he won't take off the blinders. He creates an awful atmosphere for something that takes the cooperation of every member to make it work...a team. You can't show favoritism..have the ear of some players, etc. and expect not to have ill will in the locker room. Sure, he spends money for SOME players and ignores others. He also cut costs in other places...like not cleaning the stadium and doing away with shelled peanuts for example so it doesn't get as dirty. Small potatoes? Sure, but it all adds to the big picture I think and fan disgust in general which goes a long way for the support of the team...not to mention the poor play and willy nilly decisons or indecision. Screwing the fans with rising ticket prices, parking, no tailgating, etc. As the digust rises, fans begin to exhibit lack of support..booing, poor attendance, selling tickets to opposing teams. Players start to feel the lack of support and then figure WTF. It's just a big cluster.....

There's a lot of behind the scenes crap as well but obviously I can't really mention that.

He bought the team for 800 million. It's now valued at 1.6 Billion. Doubled his investment. He's not losing money.

value is different than day to day profit. The franchise value has increased, but if you don't get fans in the seats and you're paying absurd money for crappy people, you'll lose money. Merchandising and tickets! No fans, no money, sell team.

And it sounds like you're talking like an incredibly optimistic Redskins fan, not an unbiased observer. :yay:
Just talking with facts while you're just...guessing.


The defense is solid, sure. They kept letting KC march into FG territory and if KC only had more confidence in their kicker, they may would have tacked on a couple more FGs. But still, 20 or under and no TDs is a solid effort...even if it was against KC.Nice example of one game. Guess you forgot all the prolific offenses last year. The Giants this year. The offense is the bain of our existence.


So sure, if the GM is changed then that may fix things to some degree. But you forget that Snyder still has his fingers all over the organization and any GM that steps in the door will be hindered by him. The Skins are basically the east coast version of Oakland. Tell me, how many coaches have walked in and out of Oakland recently with a destroyed reputation for the NFL? For that matter, how about the Skins? Even Gibbs' reputation was somewhat damaged after his latest stint in Washington.

I don't think changing the GM will do that much, unless Snyder releases the reigns. To get a good GM, he's going to need to promise to lay off a bit AND give someone a big payday. Merely changing GMs while keeping the same infrastructure won't help any. Vinny is just the fall guy. With the way the media and the greats have been talking I wouldn't be surprised in a major overhaul including Snyder. The same thing happened to the Orioles owner after 10 years of mediocrity. Snyder's been asking for advice from Rich Gannon and Kornheiser at the last game. His own wife noted that the current situation starts at the top.

This team is in shambles at this point in time as it's our darkest hour the last few decades. However, we've had some success, unlike Oakland. With the exception of this year the team has stayed competetive, unlike Oakland. The team has been to the playoffs twice in the last five years, unlike Oakland.

WP: DC Sports Bog: Schefter calls Skins job "desirable"
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Schefter calls Skins job "desirable"

The giant creeping cloud of noxious press that's hovered over Ashburn for several weeks has truly been remarkable. To cite just a few from this week:

* Don Banks, SI: "Other than financially, has anyone been better off after going to work for Daniel Snyder and the Redskins than they were before they got to Washington? Seriously. Has anyone come out looking better for the experience, enhancing their reputation or résumé? Be it a coach, a player, or a front office member? Anyone? Ever?"

* Kevin Blackistone, AOL FanHouse: "The Redskins are now the worst-run franchise in pro sports in the country, if not on the planet."

* Clark Judge, CBSSports.com: "I feel for Jim," said a head coach who asked to remain anonymous. "I really do. He's going to be standing there on the sidelines Sunday doing -- what? It's sad."

Part of the implication is that any head coaching candidate would be a bit off to agree to a job with the Redskins, a premise I've always rejected entirely. If Marty Schottenheimer did it, no name is off the table. ESPN's Adam Schefter, appearing on Mike and Mike Thursday morning, made an even stronger argument.

"Well, a lot of people say, 'Oh, Redskins, Dan Snyder, Vinny Cerrato, undesirable' and I would take the flip side of that," Schefter said."I would tell you that we are headed toward an uncapped year. What's MORE desirable than the Redskins situation, where Dan Snyder is going to spend whatever it takes in a market where there are no limitations on what one owner can spend?" So to me, the Redskins job has some serious attractions to it."

It's a note that we haven't heard much of in recent days, but it makes more than a little sense. As for who might be attracted, Schefter went on to say this.

"And when you go down and you take a look at the names, look, he has taken on people that haven't worked, that haven't proven themselves," he said. "He's gone the low-profile route in Jim Zorn, it didn't work. He's now gonna go the high-profile route. So now he's gonna go the high-profile route, and we look at Mike Holmgren, Mike Shanahan, Jon Gruden, Bill Cowher, and you start to sift through those names to figure out which one it is that would most appeal to Dan Snyder.

"Now keep this in mind, Dan Snyder has known Mike Shanahan for an awful long time. Ten years ago they were at the Pro Bowl, stayed in the same hotel, got to meet each other, have dinner, and something inside tells me that Dan Snyder has an affection for Mike Shanahan. Doesn't mean that's his guy, he may go for Mike Holmgren, he may go for Bill Cowher. But I just think that deep down inside, he's got a thing for Mike Shanahan."

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