What a boring race. What will be NASCAR's next trick to screw up racing? Maybe make the cars use speed breaks or anchors? ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

OK, maybe I was a little to early. I hope Ryan Newman is OK.

I don't even know how NASCAR stays afloat against the NFL every Sunday.

:shrug:

OK, maybe I was a little to early. I hope Ryan Newman is OK.

Newman says he's okay.

He's a class guy!

Newman says he's okay.

He's a class guy!

I totally agree Cat! :drool:

Nascar Sucks!

Nascar Sucks!:poorbaby: Run to your room now. Mickey mouse is about to come on. You can understand that.

I stopped watching NASCAR with it became like the WWF.

I stopped watching NASCAR with it became like the WWF.
Please explain this.

Please explain this.

Probably the snippets of video like Greg "Bug eye" Biffle surrounded by smoke on a turntable, arms crossed, he rotates to face the camera with his best scowl, graphics on the screen so fast it causes seizures. Smoke machines and showers of sparks as they come out for driver introductions, in depth questions like "what would winning this race mean to you?" with the canned answer "Oh it would be the greatest! I have always loved racing here at XXXXXXXX, it is a special place to me." instead of the real answer "Well to tell you the truth it would mean about $295,000 dollars. Other than that it means jackshiat, no different than last week. It is also the endless parade of "Official sponsor" bull. "When I am in my race car sitting in my molded seat, temps inside reaching 130 degrees, balls sweating for 3 and a half hours it causes rectal pain which is why I use Anusol........the official hemorrhoid cream of NASCAR." Or even better the Enzyte car, better performance on the track and in the rack, the extra size is fun too!"

Probably the snippets of video like Greg "Bug eye" Biffle surrounded by smoke on a turntable, arms crossed, he rotates to face the camera with his best scowl, graphics on the screen so fast it causes seizures. Smoke machines and showers of sparks as they come out for driver introductions, in depth questions like "what would winning this race mean to you?" with the canned answer "Oh it would be the greatest! I have always loved racing here at XXXXXXXX, it is a special place to me." instead of the real answer "Well to tell you the truth it would mean about $295,000 dollars. Other than that it means jackshiat, no different than last week. It is also the endless parade of "Official sponsor" bull. "When I am in my race car sitting in my molded seat, temps inside reaching 130 degrees, balls sweating for 3 and a half hours it causes rectal pain which is why I use Anusol........the official hemorrhoid cream of NASCAR." Or even better the Enzyte car, better performance on the track and in the rack, the extra size is fun too!"

You forgot the milk.

Sooner or later NASCAR will have so many rules and regulations that the starting lineup will also be the final results. Let the guys race, I thought todays race was pretty bad.

Sooner or later NASCAR will have so many rules and regulations that the starting lineup will also be the final results. Let the guys race, I thought todays race was pretty bad.

Kind of like F1 is now?

Today's race sucked. Even worse with all the crashes at the end. That was a total joke. Worse than F1. Worse than ARCA's worst races. Just plain terrible.

Sooner or later NASCAR will have so many rules and regulations that the starting lineup will also be the final results. Let the guys race, I thought todays race was pretty bad.
I slept thru most of it. Woke up in time to see Newman crash. I liked his post crash comments.

I slept thru most of it. Woke up in time to see Newman crash. I liked his post crash comments.

Listened to it on the radio. Terrible race. They were single file the whole damn time just about.

Listened to it on the radio. Terrible race. They were single file the whole damn time just about.
yes I saw that. Looked weird watching them thru the corners with gaps between the cars.

It's a catch 22, do away with the plates and risk death in 240 mph crashes or keep it the way it is and risk death in 195 mph crashes wiping out the field.

I think with the safety features of these cars, the plate can go. At least try it for a year.

:poorbaby: Run to your room now. Mickey mouse is about to come on. You can understand that.

Blow me

yes I saw that. Looked weird watching them thru the corners with gaps between the cars.

It's a catch 22, do away with the plates and risk death in 240 mph crashes or keep it the way it is and risk death in 195 mph crashes wiping out the field.

I think with the safety features of these cars, the plate can go. At least try it for a year.

I think you need the plates to control the speed but after that just let the guys(girls too) race. Let them run whatever gear, trans, deck height whatever. The desire to be the best has always been what drives racing, they use the BS about making it affordable for single car teams and small operations to compete but now they have created a 190 mph log jam with regulations. Limit the horse power and let the rest be free game to whomever can make it happen and everyone else will catch up, like it was for 45 years or so.

yes I saw that. Looked weird watching them thru the corners with gaps between the cars.

It's a catch 22, do away with the plates and risk death in 240 mph crashes or keep it the way it is and risk death in 195 mph crashes wiping out the field.

I think with the safety features of these cars, the plate can go. At least try it for a year.

Simple, make them run 4 cylinders from now on out.

Simple, make them run 4 cylinders from now on out.

4 cylinder stock cars

I think you need the plates to control the speed but after that just let the guys(girls too) race. Let them run whatever gear, trans, deck height whatever. The desire to be the best has always been what drives racing, they use the BS about making it affordable for single car teams and small operations to compete but now they have created a 190 mph log jam with regulations. Limit the horse power and let the rest be free game to whomever can make it happen and everyone else will catch up, like it was for 45 years or so.

The speed has become the issue, slow the cars down by taking away downforce. The plates just keep the horsepower and acceleration down resulting in a bunch and the inevitable "Big One" at the end. Another way to slow the cars is to make them conform 100% to the template of the production car. I am all for the safety improvements but if Ford/Chevy/Dodge needs to make their car more aero slick to win, then let them design it, not NASCAR. The manufacturers cup is a joke, they are all the same! I have so many other issues.................

yes I saw that. Looked weird watching them thru the corners with gaps between the cars.

It's a catch 22, do away with the plates and risk death in 240 mph crashes or keep it the way it is and risk death in 195 mph crashes wiping out the field.

I think with the safety features of these cars, the plate can go. At least try it for a year.

The tracks are the problem. They need to tear down the banking.

I don't know how many more people need to die at these two tracks for NASCAR to get the picture.:smack:

Blow me:killingme

Micky not your thing? Full House more your speed?

The speed has become the issue, slow the cars down by taking away downforce. The plates just keep the horsepower and acceleration down resulting in a bunch and the inevitable "Big One" at the end. Another way to slow the cars is to make them conform 100% to the template of the production car. I am all for the safety improvements but if Ford/Chevy/Dodge needs to make their car more aero slick to win, then let them design it, not NASCAR. The manufacturers cup is a joke, they are all the same! I have so many other issues.................
How can anybody think it's a good idea for the National STOCK CAR racing association to not race stock cars?

lose the V8s.
smaller engines will mean slower speeds (for a while).
require them to run on pump gas.
require manufactures to build at least 500 units to qualify as stock

It used to be "Win on Sunday, sell on Monday"
That went away when the race cars bore no resemblance to what was in the showroom (except for a name sticker)

My brother was there this weekend.... can't wait for him to come home tomorrow :lol:

They seem to be having a great time... but they are camping at the track and it's probably the party more than then the race that they are enjoying.

I don't even know how NASCAR stays afloat against the NFL every Sunday.

:shrug:

Maybe they're all Redskins fans?:shrug:

The season is WAAAYYYY too long and restrictor plate races suck.

Please explain this.

No.

Maybe they're all Redskins fans?:shrug:

The season is WAAAYYYY too long and restrictor plate races suck.

I'll tell you what, that was a TERRIBLE race. NASCAR owes the fans an apology.

While at it, they need to go tear the banking down so they don't need the restrictor plates.

I'll tell you what, that was a TERRIBLE race. NASCAR owes the fans an apology.
Nobody forced you to watch :shrug:
While at it, they need to go tear the banking down so they don't need the restrictor plates.

What does track banking have to do with restrictor plates :lol:

No.Good answer. If I said something that stupid, I'd want it brushed over too. :killingme

What does track banking have to do with restrictor plates :lol:

More banking = more speed.

If they flatten the track out in the corners, the drivers would have to slow down to enter the turns instead of running wide open throttle the entire race. That eliminates the need for a restrictor plate. Straightaway speeds can still be cut using a tapered spacer (which is used in the Truck Series and Nationwide Series) which doesn't slow the throttle response as much as a restrictor plate.

Good answer. If I said something that stupid, I'd want it brushed over too. :killingme

Nothing in my Metrocast contract that says I have to explain my TV viewing habits with Internet dopes like you.:killingme

Nothing in my Metrocast contract that says I have to explain my TV viewing habits with Internet dopes like you.:killingme
No one asked you to. I simply asked you to explain a post, not your viewing habits moron.

BTW, did I miss the big victory thread where you won your tag case in court?? :killingme

No one asked you to. I simply asked you to explain a post, not your viewing habits moron.

BTW, did I miss the big victory thread where you won your tag case in court?? :killingme

Can't be a wet nursemaid for everything you miss and can't figure out on your own. Now go finish your Lucky Charms little man and stop jacking people's threads.

:killingme

Can't be a wet nursemaid for everything you miss and can't figure out on your own. Now go finish your Lucky Charms little man and stop jacking people's threads.

:killingmeCan't miss something that doesn't exist. :coffee: So you lost time from work AND paid the fine. Did they bust ya for court costs too? :killingme

I'l a corn pops man myself. :popcorn:

I'm a corn hole man myself. :popcorn:

fixed

fixedAwwwwww...so angry. Common sense said you were going to lose you rebel you. :killingme

How can anybody think it's a good idea for the National STOCK CAR racing association to not race stock cars?

lose the V8s.
smaller engines will mean slower speeds (for a while).
require them to run on pump gas.
require manufactures to build at least 500 units to qualify as stock

It used to be "Win on Sunday, sell on Monday"
That went away when the race cars bore no resemblance to what was in the showroom (except for a name sticker)

I'm not disagreeing about the stock car stuff, just the engine and fuel comments. These changes won't solve anything unless NASCAR implements more rules on top of them. 4 cylinders and pump gas can make monster hp built the right way. It isn't about the cylinders or gas, it is about airflow.

As far as racing a stock car, I prefer watching a v8 hotrod. If it isn't a "stock car" anymore, so be it I still enjoy the sport.

Yesterdays race was an abomination, NASCAR should be ashamed of themselves and give all the race goers an extra ticket to the venue of their choice. As I see it they can either limit horse power or limit down force to decrease speeds, as I do not see a way to keep the cars on the track at those speeds. They implemented roof flaps and a bunch of other stuff that is not working at those speeds.

Give them all 250 HP and turn 'em loose. So what if one team wins more than the others,sooner or later everyone will catch up who can catch up and if they can't, they can come over my house and what it on tv with me and bich because I'm flipping between the game and the race. TOO MANY PERFORMANCE RULES.

I'm not disagreeing about the stock car stuff, just the engine and fuel comments. These changes won't solve anything unless NASCAR implements more rules on top of them. 4 cylinders and pump gas can make monster hp built the right way. It isn't about the cylinders or gas, it is about airflow.

As far as racing a stock car, I prefer watching a v8 hotrod. If it isn't a "stock car" anymore, so be it I still enjoy the sport.

Yesterdays race was an abomination, NASCAR should be ashamed of themselves and give all the race goers an extra ticket to the venue of their choice. As I see it they can either limit horse power or limit down force to decrease speeds, as I do not see a way to keep the cars on the track at those speeds. They implemented roof flaps and a bunch of other stuff that is not working at those speeds.

So ... keep V8s but choke them, stop development of technology that could filter down and improve your daily driver, don't race anything close to what a consumer can buy but go ahead and call it "stock car" racing.
Sounds like a plan :ohwell:

So ... keep V8s but choke them, stop development of technology that could filter down and improve your daily driver, don't race anything close to what a consumer can buy but go ahead and call it "stock car" racing.
Sounds like a plan :ohwell:

Would it make you feel better to call it V8 stock decal racing? There are already sanctioning bodies that have commuter car classes, I don't think we need another one. I feel like the technology in daily drivers has already surpassed nascar's rule book. Look at power levels compared to fuel efficiency. I don't care what you call it, but I don't know why people can't realize that there is nothing stock about a stock car and there hasn't been for a long time. I watch nascar because I like the competition and the personalities. Nascar picked a set of rules and that's what the competitors have to abide by. Obviously they are doing something right as the sport has grown leaps and bounds.

I thought I heard the other day that Matt Kenseth had the fastest speed Sunday of 199 mph.

That ain't too far off what Bill Elliott did (212) which started the whole restrictor plate thing to start with.

I thought I heard the other day that Matt Kenseth had the fastest speed Sunday of 199 mph.

That ain't too far off what Bill Elliott did (212) which started the whole restrictor plate thing to start with.That's average lap speeds. They are exceeding 206-207 on the straight aways now.

Would it make you feel better to call it V8 stock decal racing? There are already sanctioning bodies that have commuter car classes, I don't think we need another one. I feel like the technology in daily drivers has already surpassed nascar's rule book. Look at power levels compared to fuel efficiency. I don't care what you call it, but I don't know why people can't realize that there is nothing stock about a stock car and there hasn't been for a long time. I watch nascar because I like the competition and the personalities. Nascar picked a set of rules and that's what the competitors have to abide by. Obviously they are doing something right as the sport has grown leaps and bounds.


What competition? They raced single file in their cookie cutter cars for over half the race and the rest they were so bunched up that the big one happened 2X. I want to see racing not follow the leader. Tony S and Ryan N both said it was boring and an embarrassment for NASCAR.

What competition? They raced single file in their cookie cutter cars for over half the race and the rest they were so bunched up that the big one happened 2X. I want to see racing not follow the leader. Tony S and Ryan N both said it was boring and an embarrassment for NASCAR.

Lets see more fist fights in the pits. :boxing:

Would it make you feel better to call it V8 stock decal racing? There are already sanctioning bodies that have commuter car classes, I don't think we need another one.
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No.

Why do you consider NASCAR "stock car" racing?
Is it because the National Association for Stock Car Auto Racing has the words "Stock Car" in the name?

What competition? They raced single file in their cookie cutter cars for over half the race and the rest they were so bunched up that the big one happened 2X. I want to see racing not follow the leader. Tony S and Ryan N both said it was boring and an embarrassment for NASCAR.

I was talking about the competition in general. I have never seen as many cars on the lead lap as is customary today. I also said in an earlier post that Sunday's race was an abomination, we are in agreement of that. In response to the comment about cookie cutter cars, where does the innovation stop? If they don't put limits in the rules couldn't that give an unfair advantage? Isn't it supposed to be about the driver and the team competing on the same level as everyone else? -Honest question.

No.

Why do you consider NASCAR "stock car" racing?
Is it because the National Association for Stock Car Auto Racing has the words "Stock Car" in the name?

Because that is what a stock car is. Like I said before, it has been 50 years since cars in stock form have been raced. A stock car is a purpose built race car generally built to race on asphalt ovals and road courses.

Another way to look at it is that a stock car is not built to the point of an F1 or indy car.