One day after she suspended her own campaign and declined to publicly endorse (http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dailypolitics/2009/10/scozzafava-bows-out-offers-no.html) either of her opponents, Republican Assemblywoman Dede Scozzafava has formally announced her support for Democratic candidate Bill Owens."Since beginning my campaign, I have told you that this election is not about me; it’s about the people of this District," Scozzafava wrote in an e-mail sent to supporters this afternoon.

"It is in this spirit that I am writing to let you know I am supporting Bill Owens for Congress and urge you to do the same."

"It’s not in the cards for me to be your representative, but I strongly believe Bill is the only candidate who can build upon John McHugh's lasting legacy in the U.S. Congress. John and I worked together on the expansion of Fort Drum and I know how important that base is to the economy of this region."

I am confident that Bill will be able to provide the leadership and continuity of support to Drum Country just as John did during his tenure in Congress."

"In Bill Owens, I see a sense of duty and integrity that will guide him beyond political partisanship. He will be an independent voice devoted to doing what is right for New York.

Bill understands this district and its people, and when he represents us in Congress he will put our interests first."

"Please join me in voting for Bill Owens on Tuesday. To address the tough challenges ahead, we must rise above partisanship and politics and work together. There's too much at stake in this election to do otherwise."
This isn't a huge surprise. According to the Watertown Times (http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/article/20091101/OPINION01/311019918/-1/OPINION), Scozzafava, who is angry about the indignities she suffered at the hands of Conservative nominee Doug Hoffman, was quietly encouraging her supporters yesterday to support Owens.

In addition, her labor leader husband, Ron McDougall, issued a late-night endorsement of Owens via a statement released by the AFL -CIO (http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dailypolitics/2009/11/dedes-democratic-preference.html), which signaled the start of a labor wave moving from Scozzafava's camp to Owens' side. This could prove critical when it comes to the GOTV effort.
The Daily Politics - NY Daily News (http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dailypolitics/2009/11/scozzafava-comes-out-for-owens.html)

Does Newt now get it that she's a DIABLO?

Issa's PAC suggests Dems promised Scozzafava favors


One Republican's political action committee on Sunday suggested Democrats enticed former Republican candidate Dede Scozzafava with "favors" in return for her endorsement of the race's remaining Democratic challenger.

In a fundraising pitch to supporters this afternoon, Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) through IssaPAC railed on Scozzafava for choosing to support Bill Owens over Doug Hoffman (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/65773-scozzafava-endorses-owens-in-ny-23-race), the Conservative Party candidate who effectively forced her out of the race on Saturday.

Issa also called on Republicans to donate promptly to Hoffman's war chest so that the party writ large could "send a message to Barack Obama that he can't buy this election."

"Just hours before [Scozzafava] endorsed the Democrat, she received calls from Barack Obama's chief of staff Rahm Emanuel. She also received calls from the Chairman of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, Senator Chuck Schumer," Issa wrote. "Was Scozzafava promised something in return for her endorsement of the Democrat? Time will tell."Rep. Issa's PAC suggests Dems promised Scozzafava favors - The Hill's Blog Briefing Room (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/65779-issa-suggests-dems-promised-scozzafava-favors)

The comments were interesting. Pretty much split between supporting Dede and those who didn't.

The Daily Politics - NY Daily News (http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dailypolitics/2009/11/scozzafava-comes-out-for-owens.html)

Does Newt now get it that she's a DIABLO?

Rep. Issa's PAC suggests Dems promised Scozzafava favors - The Hill's Blog Briefing Room (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/65779-issa-suggests-dems-promised-scozzafava-favors)

The comments were interesting. Pretty much split between supporting Dede and those who didn't.

I read the RNC threw away $900,000 dollars endorsing and supporting this woman. Do they pay any attention at all to the records of these RINO's they support? If these are the so-called elite leaders of the Republican, I offer my opinion that the republican party needs some new elite leaders.

You cannot make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, and that is what Republicans are trying to do by supporting people who are not Conservatives.
I do not wish to a party of Dem Lite. I would rather lose with Conservative republicans, than win with people who are Democrats In All But Label Only.

I want people I can trust, not people who run from one party and vote for the other. These people are liars.

More evidence that we need practical campaign fiance reform.

I shouldn't be able to send a dime to some NY congressional campaign, and neither should you. Newt Gingrich shouldn't have anything to do with it nor should Barack Obama.

If you can't vote, you can't give. That takes care of lobbyists. They'll be stuck running commercials for what they want instead of buying off pols. This goes for national, state and local elections. Not a constituent? You can't give.

I read the RNC threw away $900,000 dollars endorsing and supporting this woman. Do they pay any attention at all to the records of these RINO's they support? If these are the so-called elite leaders of the Republican, I offer my opinion that the republican party needs some new elite leaders.

You cannot make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, and that is what Republicans are trying to do by supporting people who are not Conservatives.
I do not wish to a party of Dem Lite. I would rather lose with Conservative republicans, than win with people who are Democrats In All But Label Only.

I want people I can trust, not people who run from one party and vote for the other. These people are liars.

This is the result of all the votes McCain got. It just is. None of you want to hear this but, that's the way it is. If you support lesser evil you WILL have evil. If you don't support those you actually support, you won't have those you actually support.

I read the RNC threw away $900,000 dollars endorsing and supporting this woman. Do they pay any attention at all to the records of these RINO's they support? If these are the so-called elite leaders of the Republican, I offer my opinion that the republican party needs some new elite leaders.

You cannot make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, and that is what Republicans are trying to do by supporting people who are not Conservatives.
I do not wish to a party of Dem Lite. I would rather lose with Conservative republicans, than win with people who are Democrats In All But Label Only.

I want people I can trust, not people who run from one party and vote for the other. These people are liars.

This is one of the reasons I find this race interesting. The 'elite' of the party are out of touch with their own constituents. Didn't Newt (and Issa) see the writing on the wall with this woman? She thought she had an easy seat handed to her on a platter and she ended up spilling it on her lap.

I wouldn't want someone with her lack of judgment and childish retaliatory behavior representing me. With all that money from the Party that she funneled to her own relatives, she really stuck it to Steele and Co.

This is one of the reasons I find this race interesting. The 'elite' of the party are out of touch with their own constituents. Didn't Newt (and Issa) see the writing on the wall with this woman? She thought she had an easy seat handed to her on a platter and she ended up spilling it on her lap.

I wouldn't want someone with her lack of judgment and childish retaliatory behavior representing me. With all that money from the Party that she funneled to her own relatives, she really stuck it to Steele and Co.

I have a cousin in New York state who got elected on a Republican platform, and he's as liberal as they come. His buddies all laugh at that fact. He got elected because he was unopposed.

I have a cousin in New York state who got elected on a Republican platform, and he's as liberal as they come. His buddies all laugh at that fact. He got elected because he was unopposed.

Not an exact comparison, but look at Mark Warner's campaign for governor of VA. He said all the things a conservative would say and then governed like a Democrat.

This is one of the reasons I find this race interesting. The 'elite' of the party are out of touch with their own constituents. Didn't Newt (and Issa) see the writing on the wall with this woman? She thought she had an easy seat handed to her on a platter and she ended up spilling it on her lap.

Are they? How so? The narrative, over and over and over, is that McCain lost because of Palin. McCain lost because he went right.

That is non sense on ANY level. The party elites know what they know; most GOP'ers are gonna vote the 'R', regardless of who it is, even if it is one of the most left leaning national level Republican we have.

They WILL get the message if and when we, the people, stop supporting lesser evils.

Are they? How so? The narrative, over and over and over, is that McCain lost because of Palin. McCain lost because he went right.

That is non sense on ANY level. The party elites know what they know; most GOP'ers are gonna vote the 'R', regardless of who it is, even if it is one of the most left leaning national level Republican we have.

They WILL get the message if and when we, the people, stop supporting lesser evils.

Who pizzed in your Wheaties this morning?

I'm sure you don't buy into the Establishment narrative that McCain lost because of Palin. The race, if anything, was closer than the end result because of Palin. I agree that the party elite will get the message we won't support lesser evils.

Perhaps they're getting the message now?

Who pizzed in your Wheaties this morning?



No one. In fact, I am trying to prevent yet another GOP'er from pissing in them. :lol:

I am ALL for the GOP regaining power but NOT if it's gonna be another George W Bush or a John McCain. I would prefer this nation die at the hands of socialists. Not at the hands of my side. Past that, I would prefer my side win AND save the nation, make it better.

That will NOT happen if we 'win' with more left leaning candidates. I do not want that to happen. :buddies:

Suzzy throwing her support to the Dem is no surprise. She was smoked out and went home. What's wrong with that?

Many of us have discussed the possibility of a third party rising. That is not what is going to happen.

If anyone can find a copy of "Insurgents" by Loyd Omdahl, it will explain the process that is happening right now.

We have a large "decline to affiliate" faction growing in the center of the political spectrum. Originally the growth came from disenchanted Repubs. Now the numbers are swelling from disgusted Dems. This group will never coalesce into a viable party. However, if the can hang together loosely, both parties will do everything in their power to bait them to join one side or another.

Unless something really fundamental happens, they will stay outside the parties and make the parties come to them.

It is commonly referred to as the "Non-partisan League" (NPL). It was the NPL that controlled the Republican party to elect Eisenhauer. They controlled the Dems to elect Kennedy. It doesn't always work because it was the NPL that controlled the Dems to push Humphrey, Muskie, and Mondale to the top. In doing so,they lost their "centrist" tendencies, went to the left, and melted into the Democratic Party in the 70's. They disappeared because they let their "brand" be co-opted by a party.

They were never an independent party but only a grouping of agriculture farms and businesses that were unhappy about the agriculture pricing and unfair trade practices of the grain buyers and railroads of the early twentieth century.

They controlled the Ag Department for over 50 years and most of their policies are still in force today.

More evidence that we need practical campaign fiance reform.

I shouldn't be able to send a dime to some NY congressional campaign, and neither should you. Newt Gingrich shouldn't have anything to do with it nor should Barack Obama.

If you can't vote, you can't give. That takes care of lobbyists. They'll be stuck running commercials for what they want instead of buying off pols. This goes for national, state and local elections. Not a constituent? You can't give.

I like that message Larry, but it wil never happen.

What you are suggesting is that the RNC and the DNC would not be allowed to help any candidate. That all monies used by a candidate would have to come from individuals who supported that individual candidate. Individuals in that candidates district. It would also mean that a rich man or a man with a rich friend, could easily buy himself an election

It;s a great idea, but it aint gonna happen.

I like that message Larry, but it wil never happen.

What you are suggesting is that the RNC and the DNC would not be allowed to help any candidate. That all monies used by a candidate would have to come from individuals who supported that individual candidate. Individuals in that candidates district.

It;s a great idea, but it aint gonna happen.

Goddamn it, that just pisses me off. "Great idea. It'll never happen."

How about we work towards it, one step at a time? Two years ago, no way Obama wins. nearly 30 years ago, no way Reagan wins.

Goddamn it, that just pisses me off. "Great idea. It'll never happen."

How about we work towards it, one step at a time? Two years ago, no way Obama wins. nearly 30 years ago, no way Reagan wins.

Yeah, kinda like my idea to reform the primary system.

Yeah, kinda like my idea to reform the primary system.

Change starts with ideas.

Are they? How so? The narrative, over and over and over, is that McCain lost because of Palin. McCain lost because he went right.

That is non sense on ANY level. The party elites know what they know; most GOP'ers are gonna vote the 'R', regardless of who it is, even if it is one of the most left leaning national level Republican we have.

They WILL get the message if and when we, the people, stop supporting lesser evils.

McCain lost because the 4 more years of George Bush stuck and McCain looked and sounded weak.

Change starts with ideas.

How many great ideas on healthcare reform keep bouncing off our politicans foreheads. Not to mention the 1000's of protestors, and media ads. And yet they still charge onto the left...

McCain lost because the 4 more years of George Bush stuck and McCain looked and sounded weak.

The "4 more years of George Bush" stuck because McCain isn't very conservative...just like GWB. If he had said that TARP (and many other things) was bad, it wouldn't have stuck.

McCain lost because the 4 more years of George Bush stuck and McCain looked and sounded weak.

Had Mr. Maverick been a maverick and postponed his campaign to shout down the most insane, asinine idea in the history of insane, asinine ideas, TARP, he'd be potus today.

He woulda spent the last weeks of the campaign saying "I told you so" and looking like everything he ever claimed to be.

But, noooooooooooooo...

The "4 more years of George Bush" stuck because McCain isn't very conservative...just like GWB. If he had said that TARP (and many other things) was bad, it wouldn't have stuck.

Agree but overall he was a bad Republican choice and his handlers ran a sh#tty campaign.

Had Mr. Maverick been a maverick and postponed his campaign to shout down the most insane, asinine idea in the history of insane, asinine ideas, TARP, he'd be potus today.

He woulda spent the last weeks of the campaign saying "I told you so" and looking like everything he ever claimed to be.

But, noooooooooooooo...

Suspending his campaign and signing the TARP sealed his Tomb. Also ACORN and the left wing media did a few numbers on him also. I truly believe had the media been partisan in reporting Obama's shady background and 1 page resume, it could easily of given McCain the 3-4% vote difference.

Suspending his campaign and signing the TARP sealed his Tomb. Also ACORN and the left wing media did a few numbers on him also. I truly believe had the media been partisan in reporting Obama's shady background and 1 page resume, it could easily of given McCain the 3-4% vote difference.

IT does NOT matter!!!! Ted Kennedy starts the next campaign with a 3-4% margin. Enough with the media stuff. They are a given and should be treated as such.

McCain wins by being true to himself, the maverick. He failed and, given the magnitude of just how bad an idea TARP was, totally does not deserve to be potus.

All the lesser evil folks are just certain, somehow, he woulda suddenly got some sense had he won.

IT does NOT matter!!!! Ted Kennedy starts the next campaign with a 3-4% margin. Enough with the media stuff. They are a given and should be treated as such.

McCain wins by being true to himself, the maverick. He failed and, given the magnitude of just how bad an idea TARP was, totally does not deserve to be potus.

All the lesser evil folks are just certain, somehow, he woulda suddenly got some sense had he won.

No the media played a big part but overall the Obama campaign was run better than McCain on all fronts. From the media, (information or surpression of information) money raised, how and where it was spent, lack of debates, use of the internet, ACORN, etc, etc. McCain got beat!

No the media played a big part but overall the Obama campaign was run better than McCain on all fronts. From the media, (information or surpression of information) money raised, how and wear it was spent, lack of debates, use of the internet, ACORN, etc, etc. McCain got beat!

The media ALWAYS plays a big part for the left. Come on.

Does Clinton win in '92 absent a full out watering carrying effort by the press? No. He won re-election on his own. After than, they and they alone kept him in office. Anyone care to recall CNN burying Candy Crowley's Jaunita Brodderick story?

My point is, you count on that bias, like a point spread and know that you start several points down.

McCain, in my view, beat himself. He would have looked gold as Bush and Obama tried to defend the chaos of TARP.

The media ALWAYS plays a big part for the left. Come on.

Does Clinton win in '92 absent a full out watering carrying effort by the press? No. He won re-election on his own. After than, they and they alone kept him in office. Anyone care to recall CNN burying Candy Crowley's Jaunita Brodderick story?

My point is, you count on that bias, like a point spread and know that you start several points down.

McCain, in my view, beat himself. He would have looked gold as Bush and Obama tried to defend the chaos of TARP.

Bias is one thing, Obama campaign news seemed more like an endorsement! I just get this trill up my leg thinking about it! :coffee:

Mcain looked old and decrepit and came across that way.

Obama looked young and fresh. That was worth 20 points right there.

McCain lost because the 4 more years of George Bush stuck and McCain looked and sounded weak.

McCain lost because he was a Liberal Republican who attempted to run as a Conservative.