As Obama spins ever more out of control while looking weaker and more inept by the day and the Democrats under the now delusional Nancy gather speed towards the cliff and the unthinkable, losing congress next year starts to come until the realm of possibilities, Hillary bides her time, positioning, plotting...

:evil:

I really can't stand that witch. Her and Pelosi are on my most disliked list.

Do you really think she will pull a Reagan and run against an incumbant president from her own party in the primary?

I really can't stand that witch. Her and Pelosi are on my most hated list.

So, you've only got one house and they're not standing next to one another; who does it fall on?

:popcorn:

Do you really think she will pull a Reagan and run against an incumbant president from her own party in the primary?

How good are you at putting yourself in other peoples shoes? How bad does she want to be potus? How many lives does she have to live? How practical is it to wait and run in 2016 pushing 70?

So, you've only got one house and they're not standing next to one another; who does it fall on?

:popcorn:Hillary. But I'd make sure something else fell on Pelosi. :lol:

Hillary. But I'd make sure something else fell on Pelosi. :lol:

So, you'd rather have Nancy survive and be PO'd at you for killing her sister, eh?

Do you really think she will pull a Reagan and run against an incumbant president from her own party in the primary?

I doubt it - unless there is enough discontent with the big O come election time.... right now, I don't think that level of discontent within the general public is there. Sure, he's losing steam and support - but not so much that he wouldn't win again. People are still waiting for all of the 'change' and 'hope' that he campaigned on - and unless he really fudges up, I'd bet that they will vote for him again because they really think he is the chosen one.

Now if he really effs something up - I can totally see Hilary taking a stand against him and starting to build her own campaign up by speaking out publicly with her 'own' ideas of what needs to be done.

I don't even know which one I'd rather have in office - she is a total power monger that would abuse her position. Then again, his head is starting to float off too... neither of them runs on a platform that I support. so meh.

I'm just wondering if the Republicans are going to get some sort of game together for '12.... right now it seems like they are so far in the sidelines that no one even knows they are there. I guess they are waiting for the right time to dethrone the chosen one, but I wish they would start to push a non-polarizing figure that could possibly run in '12. I really don't see Palin ousting Obama in '12, they need to come up with someone else...

So, you've only got one house and they're not standing next to one another; who does it fall on?

:popcorn:

It falls in the middle of them, so I can grab a board and whack both of them upside the head :lmao:

Seriously though, I dislike Hilary more - she's quieter at the moment, but she has more potential for damage... Pelosi is just having her moment... I don't think she has any staying power or as much support as Hilary potentially does.

Do you really think she will pull a Reagan and run against an incumbant president from her own party in the primary?

Of course she's not going to do that. The very idea is absurd.

Maybe Hillary would run on a Hope and Change platform. :jet:

Of course she's not going to do that. The very idea is absurd.

That Hillary Clinton wants to be president? That a failing Obama presents her with the opportunity? If the Dems lose congress in the mid terms and the economy is still a wreck, still now way?

Lefties are already calling him weak and disloyal to them. Publicly. MSNBC is quite the hoot these days, watching them get all spun up.

We're not there yet but, if things keep going the way they are...

Maybe Hillary would run on a Hope and Change platform. :jet:

Well, she absolutely needs Obama to keep shooting himself in the foot. She needs him to be a falling apart mess. She can't challenge him if he's getting it going.

Although it doesn't count for much - since candidates are known for announcements they didn't keep, including Obama - Hillary has gone on record as saying she doesn't intend to run again.

Although it doesn't count for much - since candidates are known for announcements they didn't keep, including Obama - Hillary has gone on record as saying she doesn't intend to run again.

Is there stronger proof she hasn't given it up? :lol:

That Hillary Clinton wants to be president? That a failing Obama presents her with the opportunity? If the Dems lose congress in the mid terms and the economy is still a wreck, still now way?

Larry, it is ridiculous to think the Democrat party machine would support someone running against their incumbent president. That would send the message that they were wrong, and they are never going to do that.

They will do as they've always done: polish the turd, lie, spin, blame the Republicans. And their willing media cohorts will support them in their effort, and Obama will either win a second term or come very close.

Watch and see.

That Hillary Clinton wants to be president? That a failing Obama presents her with the opportunity? If the Dems lose congress in the mid terms and the economy is still a wreck, still now way?

Lefties are already calling him weak and disloyal to them. Publicly. MSNBC is quite the hoot these days, watching them get all spun up.

We're not there yet but, if things keep going the way they are...

But Hillary was more a centrist than Obama. The far left is what gave Obama the primary win, they certainly wont move right and vote for Hillery because they are disgruntled Obama is too far right?

Larry, it is ridiculous to think the Democrat party machine would support someone running against their incumbent president. That would send the message that they were wrong, and they are never going to do that.

They will do as they've always done: polish the turd, lie, spin, blame the Republicans. And their willing media cohorts will support them in their effort, and Obama will either win a second term or come very close.

Watch and see.

Why do you do this? What does it satisfy in you that we MUST live in a static world where everything tomorrow will be exactly as it is today when life proves that wrong on a rather regular basis?

Never mind. By asking it, I just answered the question.

But Hillary was more a centrist than Obama. The far left is what gave Obama the primary win, they certainly wont move right and vote for Hillery because they are disgruntled Obama is too far right?

Very true. But, they will become disinterested and go back to class. :lol:

The VA and NJ numbers are stunning. Two things happened to elect Obama; indies that were totally disgruntled with Bush's results and kids looking for a party came together and he won. The opposite happened the other day; the party was over so, no kids, going from something approaching 20% of the vote last fall falling to 10 or less this week and indies now disgruntled with Obama's results nearly fell in half.

If this continues, Obama and the Dems are about to implode. He has not followed through on his promises and what he has done is NOT working.

This continues, it creates a vacuum and then...

Why do you do this? What does it satisfy in you that we MUST live in a static world where everything tomorrow will be exactly as it is today when life proves that wrong on a rather regular basis?

Never mind. By asking it, I just answered the question.

I am a realist, not an idealist. And I'll bet you an all-expense paid trip to the Keys that Hillary won't run for president in 2012. I am that sure.

If this continues, Obama and the Dems are about to implode. He has not followed through on his promises and what he has done is NOT working.

This continues, it creates a vacuum and then...

This is why I am amazed - and encouraged - by the Democratic spin on this election. The fact that they see anything positive in it is encouraging - it means they will not be prepared for next year. Forewarned is forearmed, and they're convinced they need more of the same. They're dismissive of the gubernatorial wins as inconsequential, because they got two more votes in the House.

Which, to me, is both short-sighted, and not the lesson they should learn.

Apparently, they overlooked the fact that Owens won with under 50% of the vote. They've overlooked the fact that his major opponent was NOT a Republican. And that if you add the GOP and conservative votes together, they beat Owens.

They keep beating the drum of how a district that has been Republican for more than a century is now in Democratic hands - and I can't find proof of that anywhere. If you just go by the results of NY-23, it's been in Democratic hands fairly often. The other "win" is a district that almost always votes Democratic, but has been vacant for several months.

They didn't "win" anything.

The data DOES show a shift in the demographics away from Democrats in the group that elected him - the independents. They're dropping him. Also, the group of voters that tends to vote in midterm elections is shifting away from the Democrats.

Frankly, I'm highly encouraged by the results. I look forward to 2010.

And it's only better for the GOP if Pelosi thinks she won. I think if she were managing the Redkskins, she'd see them as winning also.

I am a realist, not an idealist. And I'll bet you an all-expense paid trip to the Keys that Hillary won't run for president in 2012. I am that sure.

How long does that offer stand? And you are not a realist. You are a tupperware-ist; everything in it's place, dammit! :lol:

This is why I am amazed - and encouraged - by the Democratic spin on this election. The fact that they see anything positive in it is encouraging - it means they will not be prepared for next year. Forewarned is forearmed, and they're convinced they need more of the same. They're dismissive of the gubernatorial wins as inconsequential, because they got two more votes in the House.

Which, to me, is both short-sighted, and not the lesson they should learn.



Ok, but how much of that is 'dumber than a rock' and how much is 'have to say that'?

How good are you at putting yourself in other peoples shoes? How bad does she want to be potus? How many lives does she have to live? How practical is it to wait and run in 2016 pushing 70?

If Obama does last till 2016, Hillary will lose any presidential bid because the new slogan will be do you really want another 4 years of Obama! :jameo:

I am a realist, not an idealist. And I'll bet you an all-expense paid trip to the Keys that Hillary won't run for president in 2012. I am that sure.

Careful, don't step too far out on that limb. So many things can happen between now and then, Hillary could be viewed as the new 'savior' if Obama continues down the same path he's been on. lalalala Meet the new boss, same as the old boss...

Ok, but how much of that is 'dumber than a rock' and how much is 'have to say that'?

Hard to say with Nancy, but she says so many absurd things, it's hard to regard her as a shrewd politician.

I think fundamentally - she's a believer. She believes so much in what the liberal Democrats have to offer, that she sees this as an actual win.

And she might be right - it's not as though gubernatorial races in two states are any kind of bellwether. I think it DOES show that Virginia is less blue than the Democrats would like to believe. And an 18% stomping kind of shows it's probably not turning blue.

It probably DOES say that the nation hasn't gone blue, or is radically shifting in that direction. It probably does say the Obama's star power has faded. So? So did Bill Clinton's, although HIS first mid-term election was one for the history books. I think if the Democrats are too enthralled with their own power, they're going to miss that.

But - hey, she's right, they got two votes in the House, and it could well have been just one.

How long does that offer stand? And you are not a realist. You are a tupperware-ist; everything in it's place, dammit! :lol:

Larry stop. Hillary is the freakin' SecofState. She is not going to thwart the whole party that she will depend on for money and publicity to try and take down the boss.

And if she does, she's the dumbest person on earth.

That sounds like something a Republican would do, not a Democrat.

I must amend my wager to be more specific:

Hillary will not run against Obama.

If something happens and Biden becomes our prez, she may very well run against him.

Larry stop. Hillary is the freakin' SecofState. She is not going to thwart the whole party that she will depend on for money and publicity to try and take down the boss.

And if she does, she's the dumbest person on earth.

That sounds like something a Republican would do, not a Democrat.

No, you stop.

Hillary is PERFECTLY positioned as SecState to be visible, to be seen as competent and to be conveniently out of the country and having nothing to do with Nancy and Barack fumbling away their power.

I have not once suggested she will thwart anything. I am observing what is going on, Obama and Nancy taking the party and the nation over a cliff and moving on to the next logical question; What happens if they keep it up?

I have said she NEEDS things to GO wrong, not that she needs to MAKE anything go wrong. I agree with you she can't and won't do anything.

My point is, she doesn't have to.

I must amend my wager to be more specific:

Hillary will not run against Obama.

If something happens and Biden becomes our prez, she may very well run against him.

And how long does this offer stand? The next big point in time is this time next year when we'll know what happened in the mid terms. Obama is poised to wipe out Demo majorities.

And how long does this offer stand?

Well, since she can only run against Obama in 2012, barring any oddities, the bet stands until election day 2012.

If Hillary runs against Obama for POTUS, I will treat you to a Keys vacation.

If she doesn't run against him, you treat me.

Deal?

I think Hilary would run - *if* Obama really fudged something up and people were starting to get majorly disgruntled with him... she's a power whore and she has her eyes on the prize.

I don't think it's an issue though because the chosen one is not going to slip up that badly... sure, he hasn't done anything. But his platform is HOPE - he didn't give a timeline on that HOPE :lmao: So people are just HOPING that he will do something and they keep making excuses for him - and they will continue to do that for the next 7 years or whatever...

He would have to piss off the public in a major way for Hilary to step up and speak out against him and start to build a platform.

What concerns me more is that the right isn't really putting anyone out to speak against the chosen one either - they are just sitting there waiting for him to implode. But they might sit on their butts too long and miss any chance of getting the white house back in '12 - Palin is not the answer.

What an interesting election that would be - Obama and Hilary facing off and the winner facing Palin... I just wish the Repubs would start to get some fresh faces out there and challenge the nonsense that Obama has brought to the Presidency...

I will treat you to a Keys vacation.

If she doesn't run against him, you treat me.

Deal?

:lmao: We lived in the Keys for 3 years - no vacation for us... :lmao:

If you need any tips when Obama effs up and 'Bilary' steps up to challenge him and starts to build a platform, you can PM me :yay: I can suggest some nice lesbian hotels that he might enjoy... :lmao:

the beach down there sucks. But he can go bar hopping down Duval street, beer in hand, and think about who he wants to vote for - Hilary or Palin :lmao:

If Obama screws up bad enough that his own party abandons him - the party that touted him in such a ridiculously unrealistic manner and insisted that the only reason anyone would oppose him is because of racism - they will either:

A) Have him assassinated; or
B) Have him impeached

And one is obvious over the other, for practical reasons. Either of which, Biden then becomes President, and Hillary will not be running against Obama.

I WIN! :diva:

If the Dems were smart, they'd force Biden out and install a new VP. Someone who could take the helm in the event of disaster, and who could make a decent showing in 2016, after Obama wins a second term.

Interesting exchange of thoughts here.
It causes me to wonder however.

Lets say that Hillary DID run against obama, and you were of the affiliation to vote for one or the other.
would you
A) Vote for obama?
B) Vote for Hillary?

If the Dems were smart, they'd force Biden out and install a new VP. Someone who could take the helm in the event of disaster, and who could make a decent showing in 2016, after Obama wins a second term.

:yay: If Bush had done that, I don't think there would be so much animosity towards his second term... Chaney was just a puppetmaster :lmao:

Why he picked Biden, I will never know.... must have been a last minute thing. Biden is a douche.

:yay: If Bush had done that, I don't think there would be so much animosity towards his second term... Chaney was just a puppetmaster :lmao:

Why he picked Biden, I will never know.... must have been a last minute thing. Biden is a douche.
Needed a token white guy. and Biden certainly looks like he could use a day in the sun.

Interesting exchange of thoughts here.
It causes me to wonder however.

Lets say that Hillary DID run against obama, and you were of the affiliation to vote for one or the other.
would you
A) Vote for obama?
B) Vote for Hillary?

:faint:

It would depend on what Obama was backing and what Hilary was opposing - if she were to run against him, it would only be in a situation where they had polar opposite views on a huge issue...

I don't like Obama - but I detest Hilary. So I'd probably vote for Obama, sad to say.... I can just see her getting in office, Bill rubbing his hands together and saying, 'gee Brain, what are we going to tonight' and Hilary saying 'the same thing we do every night - try to take over the world'
:lmao:

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Needed a token white guy. and Biden certainly looks like he could use a day in the sun.

:lmao: Well, DE beaches aren't too great... guess he stayed up in Wilmington too long.

Well, since she can only run against Obama in 2012, barring any oddities, the bet stands until election day 2012.

If Hillary runs against Obama for POTUS, I will treat you to a Keys vacation.

If she doesn't run against him, you treat me.

Deal?

Not yet.

My interest here is Hillary, not Obama. My wager would be her running, period, and not specifically against him.

Very true. But, they will become disinterested and go back to class. :lol:

The VA and NJ numbers are stunning. Two things happened to elect Obama; indies that were totally disgruntled with Bush's results and kids looking for a party came together and he won. The opposite happened the other day; the party was over so, no kids, going from something approaching 20% of the vote last fall falling to 10 or less this week and indies now disgruntled with Obama's results nearly fell in half.

If this continues, Obama and the Dems are about to implode. He has not followed through on his promises and what he has done is NOT working.

This continues, it creates a vacuum and then...

...boom! Martial law.

It is for our own good, after all.

Very true. But, they will become disinterested and go back to class. :lol:

The VA and NJ numbers are stunning. Two things happened to elect Obama; indies that were totally disgruntled with Bush's results and kids looking for a party came together and he won. The opposite happened the other day; the party was over so, no kids, going from something approaching 20% of the vote last fall falling to 10 or less this week and indies now disgruntled with Obama's results nearly fell in half.

If this continues, Obama and the Dems are about to implode. He has not followed through on his promises and what he has done is NOT working.

This continues, it creates a vacuum and then...

...boom! Martial law.

It is for our own good, after all.

We can neuter Obma in 2010. In fact we had better neuter him in 2010.

Not yet.

My interest here is Hillary, not Obama. My wager would be her running, period, and not specifically against him.

Hillary will run in 2012. Sec of State was a sop and I don't believe she's enjoying it as much as she thought she would. She has not and will not give up thoughts of the Presidency. She is simply biding her time and staying out of the limelight right now for the most part -- he's doing a fine job of hanging himself so she doesn't need to add more rope as it wouldn't suit her purpose at the moment.

Larry, send pictures of the Keys when you get there. Vrai, I hope you remind people when their "premo" is expiring 'cause you're going to need my money to pay for the trip.

Larry, send pictures of the Keys when you get there. Vrai, I hope you remind people when their "premo" is expiring 'cause you're going to need my money to pay for the trip.

We shall see...