I have asked this question to many preists, and preachers. None could answer me because they didnt know. I am interested in seeing what is said. One question, really simple.

Who wrote the bible? (In the FIRST place)

Key Word search "who wrote the bible". :yay:

I can go and make a site that says I wrote it, I know thats a lie, you know thats a lie, and I want the truth. Not a bunch of lies.

None could answer me because they didnt know.
Sure they do - if a dummy like me knows, a priest or minister surely knows.

The Bible is a collection of writings from various sources and oral history passed down through the generations, either inspired/dictated by God or not, depending on what you believe.

Or am I misunderstanding the question?

I have asked this question to many preists, and preachers. None could answer me because they didnt know. I am interested in seeing what is said. One question, really simple.

Who wrote the bible? (In the FIRST place)


Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy: Moses - 1400 B.C.
Joshua = Joshua - 1350 B.C.
Judges, Ruth, 1 Samuel, 2 Samuel = Samuel / Nathan / Gad - 1000 - 900 B.C.
1 Kings, 2 Kings = Jeremiah - 600 B.C.
1 Chronicles, 2 Chronicles, Ezra, Nehemiah = Ezra - 450 B.C.
Esther = Mordecai - 400 B.C.
Job = Moses - 1400 B.C.
Psalms = several different authors, mostly David - 1000 - 400 B.C.
Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Song of Solomon = Solomon - 900 B.C.
Isaiah = Isaiah - 700 B.C.
Jeremiah, Lamentations = Jeremiah - 600 B.C.
Ezekiel = Ezekiel - 550 B.C.
Daniel = Daniel - 550 B.C.
Hosea = Hosea - 750 B.C.
Joel = Joel - 850 B.C.
Amos = Amos - 750 B.C.
Obadiah = Obadiah - 600 B.C.
Jonah = Jonah - 700 B.C.
Micah = Micah - 700 B.C.
Nahum = Nahum - 650 B.C.
Habakkuk = Habakkuk - 600 B.C.
Zephaniah = Zephaniah - 650 B.C.
Haggai = Haggai - 520 B.C.
Zechariah = Zechariah - 500 B.C.
Malachi = Malachi - 430 B.C.
Matthew = Matthew - 55 A.D.
Mark = John Mark - 50 A.D.
Luke = Luke - 60 A.D.
John = John - 90 A.D.
Acts = Luke - 65 A.D.
Romans, 1 Corinthians, 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 Thessalonians, 2 Thessalonians, 1 Timothy, 2 Timothy, Titus, Philemon = Paul - 50-70 A.D.
Hebrews = unknown: best guesses are Paul, Luke, Barnabas, or Apollos - 65 A.D.
James = James - 45 A.D.
1 Peter, 2 Peter = Peter - 60 A.D.
1 John, 2 John, 3 John = John - 90 A.D.
Jude = Jude - 60 A.D.
Revelation = John - 90 A.D.

Christians believe or at least should, in my opinion (added for the sticklers), believe that the Bible was written by God moving the minds and hands of the actual men that set down the actual written word.

believe that the Bible was written by God moving the minds and hands of the actual men that set down the actual written word.


I think the Old Testament was literally written so.

I believe that He guided the minds and hands of the New Testament authors, by giving them the opportunity to actually witness Jesus first hand, and by giving them the fortitude to share it.

James Frey.... :shrug:

Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy: Moses - 1400 B.C.
Joshua = Joshua - 1350 B.C.
Judges, Ruth, 1 Samuel, 2 Samuel = Samuel / Nathan / Gad - 1000 - 900 B.C.
1 Kings, 2 Kings = Jeremiah - 600 B.C.
1 Chronicles, 2 Chronicles, Ezra, Nehemiah = Ezra - 450 B.C.
Esther = Mordecai - 400 B.C.
Job = Moses - 1400 B.C.
Psalms = several different authors, mostly David - 1000 - 400 B.C.
Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Song of Solomon = Solomon - 900 B.C.
Isaiah = Isaiah - 700 B.C.
Jeremiah, Lamentations = Jeremiah - 600 B.C.
Ezekiel = Ezekiel - 550 B.C.
Daniel = Daniel - 550 B.C.
Hosea = Hosea - 750 B.C.
Joel = Joel - 850 B.C.
Amos = Amos - 750 B.C.
Obadiah = Obadiah - 600 B.C.
Jonah = Jonah - 700 B.C.
Micah = Micah - 700 B.C.
Nahum = Nahum - 650 B.C.
Habakkuk = Habakkuk - 600 B.C.
Zephaniah = Zephaniah - 650 B.C.
Haggai = Haggai - 520 B.C.
Zechariah = Zechariah - 500 B.C.
Malachi = Malachi - 430 B.C.
Matthew = Matthew - 55 A.D.
Mark = John Mark - 50 A.D.
Luke = Luke - 60 A.D.
John = John - 90 A.D.
Acts = Luke - 65 A.D.
Romans, 1 Corinthians, 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 Thessalonians, 2 Thessalonians, 1 Timothy, 2 Timothy, Titus, Philemon = Paul - 50-70 A.D.
Hebrews = unknown: best guesses are Paul, Luke, Barnabas, or Apollos - 65 A.D.
James = James - 45 A.D.
1 Peter, 2 Peter = Peter - 60 A.D.
1 John, 2 John, 3 John = John - 90 A.D.
Jude = Jude - 60 A.D.
Revelation = John - 90 A.D.

That's on the internet...key word search "who wrote the bible". Why should anyone believe it?

James Frey.... :shrug:
:killingme

Sunday at 8 on the History Channel: "Who wrote the Bible"

http://www.historychannel.com/

Some jewish guy

Scribes.

There's actually the possiblility that Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were not written physically by them, but that it was passed by oral tradition and later written. Some historians place the first written record of Matthew for example at something like 60 years after his death. All of this is still unconfirmed because there is such little historical evedince left.

There's actually the possiblility that Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were not written physically by them, but that it was passed by oral tradition and later written. Some historians place the first written record of Matthew for example at something like 60 years after his death. All of this is still unconfirmed because there is such little historical evedince left.
"such little historical evedince left." What a miss statement of fact.

Toxic posted this:

The oldest manuscripts of ancient writers like Aristotle, Plato, Herodotus (among other) amounts to a small number of copies that were made a thousand years or more after the originals were written. There are no more then ten manuscripts of Julius Caesar's Gallic Wars, and the oldest copy of that was written over 900 years later than the original. Scholars accept these documents as adequate reprentations of the originals.

Why not the bible?

The earliest portions of The New Testament date to within just 25 years of the originals. Some nearly complete books of the new testament date to within one century or less from the originals. And we're not even talking about a handful of copies that can be compared with one another to determine accuracy or consistance. There are nearly 25,000 complete manuscripts of the New Testament, with more than 15,000 that date to before the 7th Century A.D. (or C.E. if you prefer). These include 5,300 copies in the original Greek, over 10,000 in Latin Vulgate, 4,100 Slavic tranlations, 2,000 Ethiopian thranslations and about 1,000 other early translations.

Further, in the first centuries after Christ, thousands of letters, and other documents were written in which people quoted from other documents that would later be assembled into what was to become the New Testament.. These quotes are so extensive that even if there wasn't a single bible in existence, you could go back to those letters and documents and using only those written within 250 years after the death of Christ, you could find every word of the New Testament, with the exception of 11 verses.

There are small differences in all those manuscripts - however, all these differences, most are a matter of spelling or word order changes that were made as the styles changed over the ages. In fact a total of only about 200 words, or 1/10 of 1 percent of the entire new testament are subject to more than trivial differences. And no single doctrine of Christiantiy in all it's denominations througout history depend on a piece of disputed text.


As for the Old Testament, the discovey of the Dead Sea Scrolls show that in over 2,000 years those who copied the Old testament were so meticulous that no significant changes were made to the texts. The Dead Sea Scrolls represent a major library of over 800 total documents dating between 250 B.C. to 68 A.D. Every book of the Old Testament is included except for some minor prophets, and Esther.




I can provide citations for all the above facts, if anyone's remotely interested. Might take a while for me to dig that stuff back up though...

Sunday at 8 on the History Channel: "Who wrote the Bible"

http://www.historychannel.com/

Somebody gave me red because they didn't like this joke. Guess what: It wasn't a joke. This show will be on tomorrow night.

I watched, "Passion of the Christ" for the first time tonight..
I ran from the room bawling.
I sobbed so hard I hurt myself and what is worse.. After having seen that.. I know in my heart that his pain was that horrible, his persecution that graphic and real, because it all boiled down to the two things I hate about religion most of all... Power and greed, and nearly certain that someone was afraid of what Jesus had to say and merely wanted to get rid of him.
Mind you, I know it's just a movie, but the underlying truth was that men who want power and control, could not see the truth in something so simple and beautiful as Jesus.. Very few saw that in the beginning and few see it now.. THE CHURCH uses Jesus as a selling point these days.. I would blast anyone who would say they would not deny him today if faced with death. Men are weak and scared and easily charmed.

Ask who ever you want about the Bible.. It's a book, written and rewritten a hundred times. When you read it, it reads as any other book does. You interpret it's meaning as it was written by the person who interpretted it before, and so on and so forth.
I don't believe in such a thing as a holy book, not the Koran, the Bible or the Khama Sutra. The word of God is in a person's heart, even crazy people know the reason between right and wrong when they really think about it.
I don't need a book to tell me not to kill people or steal, it's embedded in my soul.

That's on the internet...key word search "who wrote the bible". Why should anyone believe it?



Someone asked a question, I looked for, and found, an answer from a source that I have found to be quite trustworty over the years (The Straight Dope/Cecil Adams).

Incidentally, I have done first-hand research on this particular subject (back in the lazy hazy daze of college), and going by memory, the list appears to coincide with what I have discovered all those years ago.

However, I do not have a bibliography handy, and should you choose to think I'm full of it, that's your prerogotive.

:whoosh:

:rolleyes:
Someone asked a question, I looked for, and found, an answer from a source that I have found to be quite trustworty over the years (The Straight Dope/Cecil Adams).

Incidentally, I have done first-hand research on this particular subject (back in the lazy hazy daze of college), and going by memory, the list appears to coincide with what I have discovered all those years ago.

However, I do not have a bibliography handy, and should you choose to think I'm full of it, that's your prerogotive.

:whoosh:

:rolleyes:


Ok - Woosh indeed.

Since you wooshed me, I went back and read your original response three times, and I can't see any secondary or double-entendre meaning.

I don't get it.

If you weren't saying, ":bs:" then what were you saying?

If you weren't saying, ":bs:" then what were you saying?
She was saying :dur: because Pearlie asked the question, Elaine said "Go google it" and Pearlie replied:
I can go and make a site that says I wrote it, I know thats a lie, you know thats a lie, and I want the truth. Not a bunch of lies.

I hate it when things must be spelled out. :frown:

I hate it when things must be spelled out. :frown



I don't think your post was condescending enough.


Perhaps you should try to make me feel even more stupid for not making the connection between a post I read last week and a post I read today.

Add a few swearwords and finish up by calling me a dumbass.

That's always fun.

I watched, "Passion of the Christ" for the first time tonight..
I ran from the room bawling.
I sobbed so hard I hurt myself and what is worse.. After having seen that.. I know in my heart that his pain was that horrible, his persecution that graphic and real, because it all boiled down to the two things I hate about religion most of all... Power and greed, and nearly certain that someone was afraid of what Jesus had to say and merely wanted to get rid of him.
Mind you, I know it's just a movie, but the underlying truth was that men who want power and control, could not see the truth in something so simple and beautiful as Jesus.. Very few saw that in the beginning and few see it now.. THE CHURCH uses Jesus as a selling point these days.. I would blast anyone who would say they would not deny him today if faced with death. Men are weak and scared and easily charmed.

Ask who ever you want about the Bible.. It's a book, written and rewritten a hundred times. When you read it, it reads as any other book does. You interpret it's meaning as it was written by the person who interpretted it before, and so on and so forth.
I don't believe in such a thing as a holy book, not the Koran, the Bible or the Khama Sutra. The word of God is in a person's heart, even crazy people know the reason between right and wrong when they really think about it.
I don't need a book to tell me not to kill people or steal, it's embedded in my soul.The crucifixion of Jesus certainly was, as you say done by men seeking to preserve their earthly power, but He suffered like He did and died on the cross for me and you and everyone because of our sin. Every stripe from the whips, every blow from a fist or foot, or stick, every time He was spit on and mocked, every blow from a hammer on a nail, the piercing of His side by a spear, was all because of the sins of me, you, and everyone. He suffered it willingly to save us from hell.

The Bible as we have it is absolutely as accurate today as it was when it was written and it is the word of God whether you accept it or not.

You are right that people know right and wrong in their own heart. It is also true that every form of evil is also in a person to choose to do or not do; murder, adultery, fornication, theft, perversion of all types, homosexuality, cheating. They are all there to choose to do or not do. People are judged on whether they choose right or wrong if they have never heard of God's plan of salvation. If a person has heard of God's plan of salvation and accepts it, they are not judged. If I person hears and rejects it, then they are judged.
John 3:16-21

16"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

17"For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.

18"He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

19"This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil.

20"For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.

21"But he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God."

You are right that people know right and wrong in their own heart. It is also true that every form of evil is also in a person to choose to do or not do; murder, adultery, fornication, theft, perversion of all types, homosexuality, cheating. .
So, if your child were to come home and say, " Hey Dad, I'm gay! "You would immediatly comdemn him/her to hell on the grounds that the Bible says it's an abomination.. Ok. God means more to you than family or blood or your choice to bring a child in to this world with the chance that he or she may not be perfect of live up to your expectations..That's simple enough..God said to love one another, even your enemy. I'd love anyone even if they weren't perfect in my eyes because my God is an accepting and loving God.




They are all there to choose to do or not do. People are judged on whether they choose right or wrong if they have never heard of God's plan of salvation. If a person has heard of God's plan of salvation and accepts it, they are not judged. If I person hears and rejects it, then they are judged

Ignorance is not bliss and even if you don't know, you can go to Hell. You go to Hell if you know and choose not to bow down and accept God as your savior. The only way to recieve salvation and a trip to Heaven is to follow his word and succomb to the path set by your church/ pastor/ the Vatican or what ever powers that be. The Bible is the only way to find the path to Jesus.
You are a very well spoken man, you know your verse and come across as very certain of your path and plan..That's commendable. But you can not prove, without a shadow of a doubt that the Bible is accurate.. Ten people can not tell the same story in the same room, much less thousands of people over the course of 2000 years. One person picks up that Bible and sees it as a tool for saving his soul, and another sees it as a means of controlling something or getting something.
IMO, the Bible is an outdated text.. Badly in need of something to carry the Christian populus in to the next era. The same applies for all religions, which all have God, in some form, as the center of it.
Too bad these are wasted words.. It's a stalemate, an impass. Religion is faulty, at it's best.

I don't think your post was condescending enough.
Let me try harder:

(Whoops! Forgot where I was. Edited for inappropriate content. But you probably know what I wrote. :lol:)





How was that? :lol: :huggy:

Anyone watch the special last night "Who wrote the Bible?"

I saw about 1 minute of it while surfing the channels, and all I got out of it was that it is ALL speculation and guessing as to who wrote what.

Anyone watch the special last night "Who wrote the Bible?"

I saw about 1 minute of it while surfing the channels, and all I got out of it was that it is ALL speculation and guessing as to who wrote what.
I watched until I fell asleep. Who wrote the Bible IS mostly speculation because it was so long ago and they didn't have copyright and Library of Congress back then. :wink:

Some books they're fairly sure about, but the Moses books are up for grabs. Dueteronomy is generally attributed to Moses, but it's highly doubtful he wrote about his own death. So who knows? :shrug:

So, if your child were to come home and say, " Hey Dad, I'm gay! "You would immediatly comdemn him/her to hell on the grounds that the Bible says it's an abomination.. I would continue to love them. I would not condemn nor do I condemn anyone. Condemnation is from satan, not God. Conviction is from God. Yes, I would tell them that homosexual conduct is an abomination to God. It is better to tell them the truth with the hope that they will be convicted and choose God's way than continue in the way to hell.
Ok. God means more to you than family or blood or your choice to bring a child in to this world with the chance that he or she may not be perfect of live up to your expectations..That's simple enough..God said to love one another, even your enemy. I'd love anyone even if they weren't perfect in my eyes because my God is an accepting and loving God. Yes. God is more important to me than family, friends, or any thing else or I continually try to make Him so. God, family, everyone and everything else in that order. I'd quote scripture, but you wouldn't believe it anyway. God is very much a loving God. He loves all humankind. He loves them enough to have come as the only sacrifice ever needed to save all mankind from sin. He loves mankind enough to send Christians to places like this and people like you to proclaim the gospel. It is then up to each to make their own decision, but it will not be out of ignorance. Ignorance is not bliss and even if you don't know, you can go to Hell. You go to Hell if you know and choose not to bow down and accept God as your savior. The only way to recieve salvation and a trip to Heaven is to follow his word and succomb to the path set by your church/ pastor/ the Vatican or what ever powers that be. The Bible is the only way to find the path to Jesus.
You are a very well spoken man, you know your verse and come across as very certain of your path and plan..That's commendable. But you can not prove, without a shadow of a doubt that the Bible is accurate.. Ten people can not tell the same story in the same room, much less thousands of people over the course of 2000 years. One person picks up that Bible and sees it as a tool for saving his soul, and another sees it as a means of controlling something or getting something.
IMO, the Bible is an outdated text.. Badly in need of something to carry the Christian populus in to the next era. The same applies for all religions, which all have God, in some form, as the center of it.
Too bad these are wasted words.. It's a stalemate, an impass. Religion is faulty, at it's best.The subject of the accuracy of the Bible has been discussed on this board several times. Even in a post in this thread http://forums.somd.com/showpost.php?p=1345927&postcount=15 . You choose not to accept it. That is your free will choice. That is what most do when something in the Bible confronts them where they live.

Religion is absolutely faulty. Religion is man made. Christianity is a way of life and the way to eternal life. Religion is man's attempt to be good enough to get to God. Christianity is the evidence of God's plan of salvation working in lives. It is God reaching to mankind to bring mankind to His bosom. Many if not all Christian churches and certainly the major denominations have tried to make Christianity into religion; it is not.