:whistle: There seems to be a real conflict of interest in the situation of having Congressman Steny Hoyer (D-MD. 5th District) being the employer of the MD. House of Delegates John Bohanan (D-29b) while that job is vested in promoting the political interest of the Pax River Naval Base.

There is a particular law that governs such interactions and it is called,

"The Hatch Act," Link here. (www.OSC.gov/hatchact.htm)

Hatch Act for State and Local employees. (www.OSC.gov/ha_state.htm)

:coffee: It appears that the Hoyer / Bohanan employment circumvents the Hatch Act because Hoyer has Bohanan as his personal employee so that way he is not directly on the Federal payroll but by the individual Hoyer.

I see it as an unethical and undemocratic employment arraingement because Hoyer as Congressman is not elected to be the bossman of our local 29b representative and yet Bohanan is elected to represent the District of 29b and he has no justifiable business representing Hoyer the Congressman as his boss and his employer over the interest of 29b, but that is what the Hoyer / Bohanan arraingement has done and is still doing. So the two have circumvented the law in the Hatch Act to the detriment of our community and so it might be legal and might not be illegal but still it is a betrayal against St. Mary's County.

:elaine: So here I am asking for opinions as I am now considering hard in pressing this issue in this 2006 campaign and maybe even take some legal avenue against Hoyer and or against Bohanan for selling out our community and overloading our infrastructure and undermining the people's elected representation through that unseemly employment arraingement.

Hoyer has it so that he gives Bohanan the cash directly as his employee and then Bohanan fails to speak up against the overcrowded schools and crammed full jail and super inflated property prices and etc., that all comes from that Hoyer job of representing the Navy Base and not giving representation to the people of 29b.

Bohanan and Hoyer were not elected as a team or group or as a company and they are not elected to act like a team either, and both Hoyer and Bohanan giving representation for the Federally funded Navy Base through their private funded made-up occupation while keeping both their federal and State funded elected offices is just trampling over the spirit of the Hatch Act and maybe violating it outright.

Any opinions? or suggestions? or else I shall figure it out all myself. :howdy:

Any opinions? or suggestions? or else I shall figure it out all myself. :howdy:
When we offer opinions or suggestions, you disregard us, or try your double-talk to justify your lame-azz thoughts. And you don't have the wherewithall to figure it out on your own.

JPC,

Learn to read. The very first sentence from the US Office of Special Counsel states The Hatch Act applies to executive branch state and local employees who are principally employed in connection with programs financed in whole or in part by loans or grants made by the United States or a federal agency.
Bohanon is in the legislative branch of the state government thus the prohibitions are not applicable. As usual you are barking up the wrong tree and further showing your inability to function at a level required for public service. Get over it.

JPC,

Learn to read. The very first sentence from the US Office of Special Counsel states
Bohanon is in the legislative branch of the state government thus the prohibitions are not applicable. As usual you are barking up the wrong tree and further showing your inability to function at a level required for public service. Get over it. :lmao: :killingme


Isn't it great how he provides the links that show how wrong he is?

I'd much more concerned if someone that derived their income from the executive branch was running. Now that would be about as dishonest as you can get!

JPC, do you know what branch of the government you are going through to steal your living from the taxpayers?

:roflmao:

I love you, JPC, I really do! Whenever I'm having a pissy day all I have to do is read your latest missive and I'm immediately cheered up.

:roflmao:

:roflmao:

I love you, JPC, I really do! Whenever I'm having a pissy day all I have to do is read your latest missive and I'm immediately cheered up.

:roflmao:
Greenbow, Alabama had Forrest Gump, St. Mary's County has JPC. :killingme

When we offer opinions or suggestions, you disregard us, or try your double-talk to justify your lame-azz thoughts. And you don't have the wherewithall to figure it out on your own. :larry: Really I do always consider the opinions and comments and suggestions from other posters on here. I think it only looks like I do not because I am very prone to act fast, as if some one points out something wrong or a better idea or what ever then I take it on fast. Because of other posters on here I have changed the wordings to my campaign ads and I have changed parts of my campaign website and many other things too. I like the posters on here and I even like negative criticism and I almost always tell people that I meet about the SOMD forum and that they could come and join in.

:flowers: ............ :flowers:

... Bohanon is in the legislative branch of the state government thus the prohibitions are not applicable. ... :larry: Yes,
but the priciple is still being violated and not the letter of the law.
:jameo:

:larry: Yes,
but the priciple is still being violated and not the letter of the law.
:jameo:
What principle? It is solely a prohibition on executive employees from participating as candidates in partisan elections.

As a matter of fact it makes very good sense that there would be a close relationship between the Congressman and the state delegates from the same area as they represent the same constituents.

Did you take lessons to get this stupid?

No one challenging Bohanan, would be dumb enough to also take on Hoyer.

:loser:

While JPC may be wrong about the law regarding Del. Bohanan and his employment with Rep. Hoyer, he does bring up an interesting point. When Del. Bohanan is in Annapolis, what agenda is he pushing? The agenda of his constituents or the agenda of the person who is responsible for putting food in the mouths of his family? While he may do a great job as the military point of contact for the congressman, as a delegate he has to ultimately represent those in his district. Voting for a billion dollar tax package does not do that. He left his Catholic teachings behind when he voted to allow embryonic stem cell research. He is opposed to mandatory minimum sentencing for sexual predators. All those positions follow along with the views of his main employer, Rep. Hoyer not the people who he currrently represents. Quite honestly, what elected official in this area would not work to protect the Naval Air Station? Not one!!

While JPC may be wrong about the law regarding Del. Bohanan and his employment with Rep. Hoyer, he does bring up an interesting point. When Del. Bohanan is in Annapolis, what agenda is he pushing? The agenda of his constituents or the agenda of the person who is responsible for putting food in the mouths of his family? While he may do a great job as the military point of contact for the congressman, as a delegate he has to ultimately represent those in his district. Voting for a billion dollar tax package does not do that. He left his Catholic teachings behind when he voted to allow embryonic stem cell research. He is opposed to mandatory minimum sentencing for sexual predators. All those positions follow along with the views of his main employer, Rep. Hoyer not the people who he currrently represents. Quite honestly, what elected official in this area would not work to protect the Naval Air Station? Not one!!


How many people are really informed well enough to recognize this? What about all of the Partisan overrides of the Governor's veto's? Bohanan is a star in the Maryland Democrat party, and a supporter (guaranteed vote) of and for Michael Busch.

Bohanan = Hoyer = Votes?

Bohanan won big in 2002. Aren't those same votes going to send him back to Annapolis?

While JPC may be wrong about the law regarding Del. Bohanan and his employment with Rep. Hoyer, he does bring up an interesting point. When Del. Bohanan is in Annapolis, what agenda is he pushing? The agenda of his constituents or the agenda of the person who is responsible for putting food in the mouths of his family? While he may do a great job as the military point of contact for the congressman, as a delegate he has to ultimately represent those in his district. Voting for a billion dollar tax package does not do that. He left his Catholic teachings behind when he voted to allow embryonic stem cell research. He is opposed to mandatory minimum sentencing for sexual predators. All those positions follow along with the views of his main employer, Rep. Hoyer not the people who he currrently represents. Quite honestly, what elected official in this area would not work to protect the Naval Air Station? Not one!!
Since both are representing the same constituents I would suspect that their agendas are similar. They both want to maintain the largest area employment entity whereas JPC wants to limit that entities ability to function and continue to thrive.

JPC's bio is linked in his posts, here is Bohanon's ( http://www.mdarchives.state.md.us/msa/mdmanual/06hse/html/msa13089.html ). Now seriously, which do you think would be the better choice for Democrats in 29B?

On the other hand should the Republican Party field a candidate for the 29B delegate position I would recommend that all Democrats vote for JPC in the primary to guarantee a Republican victory in November. :biggrin:

How many people are really informed well enough to recognize this? What about all of the Partisan overrides of the Governor's veto's? Bohanan is a star in the Maryland Democrat party, and a supporter (guaranteed vote) of and for Michael Busch.

Bohanan = Hoyer = Votes?

Bohanan won big in 2002. Aren't those same votes going to send him back to Annapolis?
Actually Bohanan won by about 1900 votes against someone who filed atthe last minute and spent no time campaigning. With that effort the Bohanan opponent still managed 42% of the vote. The district is much more Republican so its not a slam dunk for Del. Bohanan. Excellent point about a guranteed vote for the Democratic leadership.

Since both are representing the same constituents I would suspect that their agendas are similar. They both want to maintain the largest area employment entity whereas JPC wants to limit that entities ability to function and continue to thrive.

JPC's bio is linked in his posts, here is Bohanon's ( http://www.mdarchives.state.md.us/msa/mdmanual/06hse/html/msa13089.html ). Now seriously, which do you think would be the better choice for Democrats in 29B?

On the other hand should the Republican Party field a candidate for the 29B delegate position I would recommend that all Democrats vote for JPC in the primary to guarantee a Republican victory in November. :biggrin:

Oh I agree that Bohanan is the lesser of two evils. If I were a Dem I would have to vote for Bohanan. It will be interesting to see how many votes JPC gets. If he pulls 15%, Bohanan will go down in the general should the repubs field a credible candidate. I agree that the base should be maintained and every means necessary to help it exist. It is the economic engine for the region. One has to wonder where Rep. Hoyer and Del. Bohanan have been while Sen. Milkulski has taking an interest in the potential reduction in the work force at Pax. She has made several staements regarding those jobs being phased out and not a peep (at least from what I have seen) from the other two.

If he pulls 15%, Bohanan will go down in the general should the repubs field a credible candidate.

Define credible candidate?

Since the filing deadline is July 3rd, the Republican candidate will still file towards the end of the cycle. But is that really important? I think not?

What principle? It is solely a prohibition on executive employees from participating as candidates in partisan elections. ...
:larry: The point as I see it is that Bohanan has no business working for Hoyer because the job is first to represent the interest 29b and not Hoyer's interest nor the Navy Base interest. A MD. Delegate is not to be representing a U.S. Congressman as his boss and that both have been elected to political office for the same area makes the compromise worst and not better. Plus neither Bohanan nor Hoyer has any business representing the Navy Base over top of the interest of the community as they each have done and continue to do.

I see it as particularly a question of weakness more-so then any legality of the Hatch Act. In that Bohanan is not strong enough to defend or to protect 29b and so Bohanan leans on Hoyer as his mentor and as his boss as Bohanan can not stand alone nor can he stand against the overload of our community.

That is the way I see it. :howdy:

... JPC's bio is linked in his [posts] (www.ElectCusick.BraveHost.com/biopage.html) posts,

here is Bohanon's ( http://www.mdarchives.state.md.us/msa/mdmanual/06hse/html/msa13089.html ). Now seriously, which do you think would be the better choice for Democrats in 29B? ... :biggrin: :larry: Perhaps the questions are more correctly put like this,

1) Does our local elected representative Bohanan who represents 29b on the State level, have an ethical or legal right to work in submission to the State Congressman that represents our same area on the federal level?

2) Since Hoyer is Bohanan's boss (his employer) does that not compromise our area's authority in making any political decisions?

3) Is Bohanan defined as Hoyer's employee or is he a U.S. employee? which would come under the Hatch act.

4) Is it Bohanan's place to tell Hoyer what is best for 29b? or is it that the Congressman out ranks Bohanan?
Hoyer will never be my boss.

5) If Cusick is elected to 29b then will Bohanan lose his Hoyer job?

6) Since the Congressman is paying salary cash to the Delegate of 29b as his subordinate employee then even if Bohanan sells his position out then must not Hoyer be able to see that?

7) So is 29b given a true representation when Hoyer is pulling the strings? or is 29b compromised too?
:wench: ........................................... :whistle:

Define credible candidate?

Since the filing deadline is July 3rd, the Republican candidate will still file towards the end of the cycle. But is that really important? I think not?

Credible to me is someone who is up on the issues, presents a clear case for their candidacy and embodies the beliefs and views any district they should seek to represent.

As far as filing towards the end of the cycle, I am not sure it make a difference to the voters. The biggest disadvantage is being behing in fundraising. I think I read that Del. Bohanan has about 80k in the bank so that would be hard to battle against. Lord knows he wont have to spend much on the primary

:larry: Perhaps the questions are more correctly put like this,

1) Does our local elected representative Bohanan who represents 29b on the State level, have an ethical or legal right to work in submission to the State Congressman that represents our same area on the federal level?

2) Since Hoyer is Bohanan's boss (his employer) does that not compromise our area's authority in making any political decisions?

3) Is Bohanan defined as Hoyer's employee or is he a U.S. employee? which would come under the Hatch act.

4) Is it Bohanan's place to tell Hoyer what is best for 29b? or is it that the Congressman out ranks Bohanan?
Hoyer will never be my boss.

5) If Cusick is elected to 29b then will Bohanan lose his Hoyer job?

6) Since the Congressman is paying salary cash to the Delegate of 29b as his subordinate employee then even if Bohanan sells his position out then must not Hoyer be able to see that?

7) So is 29b given a true representation when Hoyer is pulling the strings? or is 29b compromised too?
:wench: ........................................... :whistle:
Mr. Wizard,

To my knowledge there is no prohibition upon the delegates from working for anyone except the executive branch of either the federal or state governments. If it isn’t a legal issue why bring it up? Crying about it won't make it illegal, but it does show your lack of knowledge on one more aspect of being a representative.

I think that the fact that Bohanon is employed by the Congressman as an advisor lends to greater representation for Hoyers' and Bohanon's constituents. Where is the conflict of interest in holding similar beliefs for the benefit of the same people?

Bohanon is a senior advisor to the Congressman, an advisor provides his views concerning a range of topics that are of concern to the decisions that the Congressman would be making. Most advisors I have knowledge of typically share similar views but are not beholding to simply be yes-men as you have baselessly contended in your smear campaign.

Now, hypothetically speaking, if by some chance you get elected would you give up your disability receipts because based on your logic you would be beholding to your paymaster and not be able to effectively represent your constituents because of this conflict of interest of having two incomes?

Credible to me is someone who is up on the issues, presents a clear case for their candidacy and embodies the beliefs and views any district they should seek to represent.

As far as filing towards the end of the cycle, I am not sure it make a difference to the voters. The biggest disadvantage is being behing in fundraising. I think I read that Del. Bohanan has about 80k in the bank so that would be hard to battle against. Lord knows he wont have to spend much on the primary

Ok. Let's go to issues. Locally, Pax River is a big deal. The bridge to Solomons is a local need. What else? State issues to me would include things like abortion, stem cell research, tax increases and veto overrides. I would also think that environmental issues are things that voters want to hear opinions about. What other important issues did I miss?

The right candidate shouldn't have trouble fundraising either. There's still plenty of time, and they wouldn't have to spend to win the primary, leaving the entire bank for the General Election. As someone mentioned above, the last guy got 42% of the vote with a very small budget. Makes me wonder what the GOP has up their sleeve... :confused:

The right candidate shouldn't have trouble fundraising either. There's still plenty of time, and they wouldn't have to spend to win the primary, leaving the entire bank for the General Election. As someone mentioned above, the last guy got 42% of the vote with a very small budget. Makes me wonder what the GOP has up their sleeve... :confused:
:yeahthat: Do they have a sleeve and are they going to field a candidate?

:yeahthat: Do they have a sleeve and are they going to field a candidate?



I dunno... It is summertime - might be sleeveless with these temps!

Seriously, I thought FootballFreak sounded insider enough to tip us off as to what's going on??

I dunno... It is summertime - might be sleeveless with these temps!

Seriously, I thought FootballFreak sounded insider enough to tip us off as to what's going on??
Your avatar is sleeveless, a candidate like that would get my vote regardless of party affiliation, but I would need to see her various positions, know what I mean. :biggrin:

Seriously, if there is a Republican candidate declared on or by 3 July and is running unopposed that could be advantageous by not having to worry about a primary battle.

No one challenging Bohanan, would be dumb enough to also take on Hoyer. :loser: :larry: If I win in 29b then Hoyer will be politically ruined in this area and seriously undermined everywhere else, and that is whether Hoyer wins his re-election or not.

Thus I have no concern about being against Hoyer because Hoyer is behind the reckless policies of his employee Bohanan, who's policies are overloading our community, so they both have done us dirty in 29b. When I get elected then Hoyer will not be dumping that senseless growth onto 29b anymore.

So besides just making the Navy Base to start acting right then I will have to insist that Hoyer start to respect our infrastructure instead of his wanton growth. That will be my pleasure to do.

Bohanan might never get the guts to do it but I will put Hoyer in his place and he will stop dumping onto St. Mary's County after I get elected. Hoyer has been able to pay off Bohanan so Bohanan fails to defend our home and fails protect our infrastructure but my election will bring back strength and honor to the Delegate 29b position.
:jameo:

So besides just making the Navy Base to start acting right then I will have to insist that Hoyer start to respect our infrastructure instead of his wanton growth. That will be my pleasure to do.


I'm sure Bo is shaking in his flight suit... :ohwell:

I'm sure Bo is shaking in his flight suit... :ohwell: :larry: I suppose if Oz is being sarcastic then Bohanan probable is not much concerned about me as I suspect he figures like many that Bohanan already has this election bought and paid for, and it is in the bag, as some say.

I figure I could go down like ol' John the Baptist crying in the wilderness telling that this guy has betrayed us all.

:jameo: From my perspective Bohanan might appear to be a competant representative but the reality is that he does not protect the community and he does not defend our infrastructure. Behind Bohanan's looks and his credentials is the sad fact that he has betrayed his position.
:wench:

If I win in 29b then Hoyer will be politically ruined in this area and seriously undermined everywhere else, and that is whether Hoyer wins his re-election or not.
:killingme

You make my day, James, you really do! :roflmao:

Oops - sorry JPC - I meant Capt Bo... The CO of the base. Surely you know the name of the guy who runs the installation you loathe so much?

:killingme

You make my day, James, you really do! :roflmao:
It's true, if JPC actually beat this guy he would be finished. Except for talk shows and stuff.

Leno: (Laughing) "So you were a well connected state delegate in Maryland, and you got beat by a lunatic, rambling, retarded convict who used a library computer to wage his campaign?

Bohannon: "Well....yea Jay....I guess so."

Leno: "And now Steny Hoyer avoids you, wont take your phone calls?"

Bohannon: "Pretty much yea"

Leno: "Is it true that Senator Steele send you a fruit basket and some cans of spray paint?"

Bohannon: "Yea Jay, real nice fruit basket"

It's true, if JPC actually beat this guy he would be finished. Except for talk shows and stuff.


Actually, if anyone defeats Bohanan, they will have to work with him as Stenny's advisor. I want my elected officials working together for the best of St. Mary's County. So even though he's a long shot, JPC should avoid burning those bridges.

JPC should avoid burning those bridges.
Oh yeah, like it's going to matter :lol:

I haven't gotten involved with this Cusick character and his threads because I didn't want to give him credibility in face of his outrageous positions, lack of qualifications, and inability to truly represent anything close to Democratic principles. However, I have had it and I need to vent about this guy.

First off, GET RID OF THE SMILIES. Yeah, I'm gonna take you serious, you put a :larry: in EVERY SINGLE one of your posts. Seriously, how big of an idiot are you? Do you want to be professional? Do you want to be taken seriously? Sure, you need to do a lot more things to be taken serious, but a good, small first step would be to remove those damn smilies.

Secondly, stop with the sky is falling rhetoric. Steny Hoyer is not a part of an "oligarchy" that is seeking to tear down every tree, destroy every farm, and fill this place up with millions of people. If you had half a brain, you would realize that St. Mary's County is experiencing the least population growth in Southern Maryland and that the growth is about the state average.

Thirdly, Delegate Bohanan is an excellent representative for District 29B. He is very intelligent and well-connected (therefore, he can actually get things done) and above all, he's a good man (something Cusick would have no idea about since he has never met the man). I am proud that he represents our area and I would regardless of his party identification. There is no conflict of interest that he works for Congressman Hoyer (another man who works hard for this area); in fact, I see that as an asset. I think that this could be Cusick's way of being resentful that other people have jobs.

So that is that...Cusick, stop your false accusations and reliance on crazy logic. You are embarassing yourself, and if you had half a mind you wouldn't be putting out tiny ads in the Enterprise that no one reads, you wouldn't be posting here, and most importantly, you wouldn't be running against Delegate Bohanan.

This guy will probably get 20% of the primary vote because of registered "Democrats" voting against the best candidate, but Delegate Bohanan will cruise to reelection because there are no credible Republican challengers in the district (ones with previous elected experience that is).

Delegate Bohanon will cruise to reelection because there are no credible Republican challengers in the district (ones with previous elected experience that is).

What previous elected experience did Bohanan have prior to winning election in 2002? :confused:

What previous elected experience did Bohanan have prior to winning election in 2002? :confused:

Good point, Oz. The GOP has a weak bench in 29B, though, for taking on a Delegate. It's not like 29C or 29A where county comissioners can be called upon to carry the GOP banner. Plus, Bohanon had decades of service under two congressman as well as a previous run for 29B before 2002, so that could be considered quasi-elected.

Oz, you seem like you have knowledge about local politics. Who have you heard in the GOP could run against Bohanan? Before 2002, people were saying Barbara Thompson was going to run against him, but her house was redistricted into 29C quite conveniently.

Good point, Oz. The GOP has a weak bench in 29B, though, for taking on a Delegate. It's not like 29C or 29A where county comissioners can be called upon to carry the GOP banner. Plus, Bohanon had decades of service under two congressman as well as a previous run for 29B before 2002, so that could be considered quasi-elected.

Oz, you seem like you have knowledge about local politics. Who have you heard in the GOP could run against Bohanon? Before 2002, people were saying Barbara Thompson was going to run against him, but her house was redistricted into 29C quite conveniently.

I agree - Bohanan's record as a congressional staffer is far more impressive than his Annapolis tenure. There is no such thing as quasi-elected.

Since as you pointed out, there isn't an established politician to run against him, I would expect the GOP to have a younger, fresh face to go up against Bohanan. Looks like we have about 30 days to find out who that will be.

Barbara Thompson lives on O'Donnell's district so I never heard that rumor. The Dems controlled the redistricting, which I believe led to Bohanan having to move twice prior to the 2002 election after he accidentally moved out of his district?

Barbara Thompson lives on O'Donnell's district so I never heard that rumor. The Dems controlled the redistricting, which I believe led to Bohanan having to move twice prior to the 2002 election after he accidentally moved out of his district?

This is how I recall the story...

Mrs. Thompson lives in Hollywood. Before 2002, when the new district lines came into effect, Hollywood was composed of two precincts, one in 29A and one in 29B. Mrs. Thompson was in the 29B precinct and was mentioned as a probable Republican candidate against the newly-appointed Delegate Bohanon.

The leaders of the redistricting wanted to ensure Bohanon's reelection, so they took Mrs. Thompson's house out of 29B and placed it in 29C. This way in order for her to become a Delegate she would have to run against Tony O'Donnel in a Republican primary. Also, Hollywood was entirely sliced out of 29B and given to 29A. This means that 29B is now the most Democratic legislative district in St. Mary's County/Calvert. I have not heard of Delegate Bohanon having to move, but he was quoted as saying in 2002 that his house is just one or two streets away from 29C.

As for the fresh face of the GOP...the newcomer would have to be a quick learner to successfuly take on Delegate Bohanan. As noted earlier, 29B is very Democratic compared to the other districts (though it still trends conservative), Bohanan is generally well-liked, and the district does still have no hesitation in sending Democratic delegates. While Bohanan is no Dyson Democrat, he isn't by any stretch a liberal (opposes abortion, gun control, supports spending cuts), so that insulates him from most "liberal" labeling, though I am certain some will try and point to single issues where he breaks with conservative Democrats. Furthermore, from what I see, 2006 is not going to be a good year for Republicans anywhere in America.

I think the best bet for the GOP in 29B is to select a former Democrat (someone like Kenny Dement or Tommy McKay, who has to change their affliation registration day). I think that that is the only hope, at least this time around.

This is how I recall the story...

Mrs. Thompson lives in Hollywood. Before 2002, when the new district lines came into effect, Hollywood was composed of two precincts, one in 29A and one in 29B. Mrs. Thompson was in the 29B precinct and was mentioned as a probable Republican candidate against the newly-appointed Delegate Bohanon.

The leaders of the redistricting wanted to ensure Bohanon's reelection, so they took Mrs. Thompson's house out of 29B and placed it in 29C. This way in order for her to become a Delegate she would have to run against Tony O'Donnel in a Republican primary. Also, Hollywood was entirely sliced out of 29B and given to 29A. This means that 29B is now the most Democratic legislative district in St. Mary's County/Calvert. I have not heard of Delegate Bohanon having to move, but he was quoted as saying in 2002 that his house is just one or two streets away from 29C.

As for the fresh face of the GOP...the newcomer would have to be a quick learner to successfuly take on Delegate Bohanon. As noted earlier, 29B is very Democratic compared to the other districts (though it still trends conservative), Bohanon is generally well-liked, and the district does still have no hesitation in sending Democratic delegates. While Bohanon is no Dyson Democrat, he isn't by any stretch a liberal (opposes abortion, gun control, supports spending cuts), so that insulates him from most "liberal" labeling, though I am certain some will try and point to single issues where he breaks with conservative Democrats. Furthermore, from what I see, 2006 is not going to be a good year for Republicans anywhere in America.

I think the best bet for the GOP in 29B is to select a former Democrat (someone like Kenny Dement or Tommy McKay, who has to change their affliation registration day). I think that that is the only hope, at least this time around.

How many Veto Overrides did Bohanan vote against? There was some pretty liberal stuff in those packages - although I don't think the average voter really relates to those labels and what they mean to their wallets. Should the representative completely tow the party line on votes like that, just playing the politics? He's a vote for Michael Busch. Not sure that Busch represents the values of constituents in 29B very well. Not sure Bohanan can insulate himself from that terrible association in this election.

You may be right about 2006. We'll know in a few short months.

With all due respect, and this is no knock on you, you have also referred to Senator Dyson as a liberal before, from what I recall, for his environmental positions. You are a hardcore conservative, and you would never vote for most Democrats (probably not even Zell Miller), but I think that most 29B conservatives are comfortable with Mr. Bohanan.

In the 2005 MBRG Roll Call, Dyson snared a whopping 33% rating with a 53% Cumulative rating since he's been in the Senate.

Bohanan has a much better rating in recent years with a 75% in 2005 which brought his cumulative up to 60%. (You can imagine how "liberal" his votes were if a 75% only brought his total up to 60% given the 6 short years he has been in Annapolis. He's smart.

I am far from hardcore conservative. I vote the candidate, not the party.

... First off, GET RID OF THE SMILIES. Yeah, I'm gonna take you serious, you put a :larry: in EVERY SINGLE one of your posts. Seriously, how big of an idiot are you? :jameo: I do not want to be all that serious. Try to lighten up. The smile icons are just a gimmic. Do you want to be professional? Do you want to be taken seriously? Sure, you need to do a lot more things to be taken serious, but a good, small first step would be to remove those damn smilies. :yay: I like the icon smiles as they separate subjects like a paragraph separation or a heading to the post. My campaign is fun and I want to keep a sence of humor and not to be so serious. Win or lose my side is loving the game. :whistle: Secondly, stop with the sky is falling rhetoric. Steny Hoyer is not a part of an "oligarchy" that is seeking to tear down every tree, destroy every farm, and fill this place up with millions of people. :bigwhoop: Actions speak louder then words and I see Hoyer as a danger to the welfare of St. Mary's County as Hoyer is just dumping it onto us all. From my own perspective I believe that it actually is the representative of 29b's place to tell Hoyer what is needed and not needed here and that is the bottom line dysfunction, because Bohanan is giving all to Hoyer and to the Navy Base and neglecting his real job of representing the people of the community and our infrastructure. :coffee: If you had half a brain, you would realize that St. Mary's County is experiencing the least population growth in Southern Maryland and that the growth is about the state average. :popcorn: It does not matter what the average is or what is happenning in other areas because here in St. Mary's County the excessive growth is overcrowding our schools and crammed full the jail, super inflated property and rental prices and much more overload, so the statistics say we are fine but the reality is that we are getting dumped on. I will put a stop to it.Thirdly, Delegate Bohanan is an excellent representative for District 29B. He is very intelligent and well-connected (therefore, he can actually get things done) and above all, he's a good man (something Cusick would have no idea about since he has never met the man). I am proud that he represents our area and I would regardless of his party identification. :killingme I have met Bohanan a couple times and he and I were in Ryken High School together for one year 1973 when I was a sophmore and he a freshmen and at that same time Tommy McKay was a Junior at Ryken. So I do not say that Bohanan is not a nice guy and he is very intelligent I believe and sure he has big connections, but he does not defend the community against the destructive growth and he fails to protect the infrastructure from the excessive growth and so he might be a great employee and fine decent person but he is not a leader for 29b. We do not need a nice guy in office. We need some one that will protect and defend our home against intrutions and Bohanan does not do it.

I will stand up to them, I will not serve Steny Hoyer and I will not represent the Navy Base over 29b.
There is no conflict of interest that he works for Congressman Hoyer (another man who works hard for this area); in fact, I see that as an asset. I think that this could be Cusick's way of being resentful that other people have jobs. :jameo: It is just that he was not elected to represent Steny Hoyer. That is a sell out of his authority which is really the authority of 29b and he has no business selling us out. I will not work for Hoyer until Hoyer starts working for the betterment of 29b.

It's true, if JPC actually beat this guy he would be finished. Except for talk shows and stuff.

Leno: (Laughing) "So you were a well connected state delegate in Maryland, and you got beat by a lunatic, rambling, retarded convict who used a library computer to wage his campaign?

Bohannon: "Well....yea Jay....I guess so."

Leno: "And now Steny Hoyer avoids you, wont take your phone calls?"

Bohannon: "Pretty much yea"

Leno: "Is it true that Senator Steele send you a fruit basket and some cans of spray paint?"

Bohannon: "Yea Jay, real nice fruit basket"

OMG, that's priceless! :killingme

This is how I recall the story...

Mrs. Thompson lives in Hollywood. Before 2002, when the new district lines came into effect, Hollywood was composed of two precincts, one in 29A and one in 29B. Mrs. Thompson was in the 29B precinct and was mentioned as a probable Republican candidate against the newly-appointed Delegate Bohanon.

The leaders of the redistricting wanted to ensure Bohanon's reelection, so they took Mrs. Thompson's house out of 29B and placed it in 29C. This way in order for her to become a Delegate she would have to run against Tony O'Donnel in a Republican primary. Also, Hollywood was entirely sliced out of 29B and given to 29A. This means that 29B is now the most Democratic legislative district in St. Mary's County/Calvert. I have not heard of Delegate Bohanon having to move, but he was quoted as saying in 2002 that his house is just one or two streets away from 29C.

As for the fresh face of the GOP...the newcomer would have to be a quick learner to successfuly take on Delegate Bohanan. As noted earlier, 29B is very Democratic compared to the other districts (though it still trends conservative), Bohanan is generally well-liked, and the district does still have no hesitation in sending Democratic delegates. While Bohanan is no Dyson Democrat, he isn't by any stretch a liberal (opposes abortion, gun control, supports spending cuts), so that insulates him from most "liberal" labeling, though I am certain some will try and point to single issues where he breaks with conservative Democrats. Furthermore, from what I see, 2006 is not going to be a good year for Republicans anywhere in America.

I think the best bet for the GOP in 29B is to select a former Democrat (someone like Kenny Dement or Tommy McKay, who has to change their affliation registration day). I think that that is the only hope, at least this time around.

Rraley 29B is actually much more Republican than 29A and on equal footing with 29C. Since JPC came onthe scene I have been doing some research about the district and found that there is only approximately a 350 registration gap between the Reps and Dems in 29B. Four years ago it was about 1100. His opponent got nearly 42% last time with no campaigning and little money spent.
As far as Del Bohanan opposing abortion, where was he on the embryonic stem cell bill? Voted Yea! In the Right to Life Community that vote was the same as voting for abortion. In many eyes in that community its time for him to hit the street. Supports spending cuts? This man voted for a Billion dollar tax increase, but voted against slots because that Billion dollars in revenue would bloat the budget. Those sound liberal to me. He works for a liberal congressman, thus he would naturally have to vote liberally.

Rraley 29B is actually much more Republican than 29A and on equal footing with 29C. Since JPC came onthe scene I have been doing some research about the district and found that there is only approximately a 350 registration gap between the Reps and Dems in 29B. Four years ago it was about 1100. :jameo: I think the gap has changed much because many people are moving out (the local Dems) while new ones move in (the rich Republican contractors). His opponent got nearly 42% last time with no campaigning and little money spent. :whistle: There is many reasons to believe that the vote does not give a true reflection of the population's prefered candidate. As far as Del Bohanan opposing abortion, where was he on the embryonic stem cell bill? Voted Yea! In the Right to Life Community that vote was the same as voting for abortion. :coffee: The point that gets to me is when Bohanan each year promotes a bill for parental notification when we already know that the Courts will not sustain it and the Legislature is against it and the parents of the girl getting an abortion are suspects, so Bohanan is pretending to be against abortion through this completely dead claim that he wants parental notification which is never going to succeed. But supposedly it lets him claim that he is trying to do something when in fact he is just putting on a pretence show and a false claim. In many eyes in that community its time for him to hit the street. Supports spending cuts? This man voted for a Billion dollar tax increase, but voted against slots because that Billion dollars in revenue would bloat the budget. Those sound liberal to me. :popcorn: Bohanan's time to go is long over due. He works for a liberal congressman, thus he would naturally have to vote liberally. :wench: This is what I have been trying to say from the beginning of this thread, that Bohanan working for Hoyer makes him Hoyer's representative and Bohanan has sold out 29b.

Speaking of Hoyer:
http://www.somd.com/news/headlines/articles/3872.shtml
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That hack puts his hate for Republicans ahead of everything. He is useless to Southern Maryland.

Rraley 29B is actually much more Republican than 29A and on equal footing with 29C. Since JPC came onthe scene I have been doing some research about the district and found that there is only approximately a 350 registration gap between the Reps and Dems in 29B. Four years ago it was about 1100. His opponent got nearly 42% last time with no campaigning and little money spent.
As far as Del Bohanan opposing abortion, where was he on the embryonic stem cell bill? Voted Yea! In the Right to Life Community that vote was the same as voting for abortion. In many eyes in that community its time for him to hit the street. Supports spending cuts? This man voted for a Billion dollar tax increase, but voted against slots because that Billion dollars in revenue would bloat the budget. Those sound liberal to me. He works for a liberal congressman, thus he would naturally have to vote liberally.

On the first point, 29B had the highest percentage for Kerry in District 29. The registration gap is not the key statistic to look at. In fact the only precincts that voted for Kerry in the district are located in 29B.

His opponent got 42%, but he did indeed campaign. He attended forums and he went to the polls on election day. Forty-two percent is what we should expect for a Republican-trending area...that's the base of people who will vote for any Republican in 29B. I doubt that much more can be gained unless a credible, experienced, and connected Republican runs.

About the stem cell position, I believe that Delegate Bohanan took the correct course of action. To argue that voting against such research is "anti-life" is pathetic. Stem cell research could lead to terrific cures for many diseases that lead to death and unfulfilled lives. It is the ultimate pro-life legislation, in my eyes. I understand the the so-called "rigt to life" crowd's opposition to such a matter, but you cannot say that Bohanan is anywhere near pro-choice.

As for that "billion dollar tax increase" that the House passed. That piece of legislation included a decrease in the state property tax from twenty cents to five, which would have benefitted all Marylanders. The taxes that were increased were on corporations, and its hard to argue that such a tax increase is going to tear apart the average Marylander's pocketbook.

He's not liberal in that he's not an Ehrlich supporter (Governor Ehrlich who is pro-choice, pro-marijuana, and has proposed $1 billion in increased spending). Delegate Bohanan wants a smaller budget based on decreased spending. He's no liberal.

rraley quote:
Governor Ehrlich who is pro-choice, pro-marijuana
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Care to be a little more specific? Ehrlich wants to modify abortion laws or is he a baby killer? Pro-marijuana? He's a druggie? He believes everyone should have it? Is he maybe thinking only about strict medical use?

He's not liberal in that he's not an Ehrlich supporter (Governor Ehrlich who is pro-choice, pro-marijuana, and has proposed $1 billion in increased spending). Delegate Bohanan wants a smaller budget based on decreased spending. He's no liberal.


The question we should be asking here is how did Bohanan vote on the "adult stem cell issue"?

Let's make something clear here... "right to life" and "Pro-life" are two seperate matters.... right to life people take issue with the government or the medical/insurance companies having the definitive word on life issues. This is quite a different matter from Abortion

The Republican Party elected a President who said that if he were presented with a bill that would ban partial birth abortion he would sign it. And he did.... That's why I am a Republican [Bill Clinton wouldn't do it].... Partial Birth Abortion is a cruel viscious murderous act that only Satan himself could have thought up.... it needed to be banned and needs to remain banned forever....

Stem Cell research was one of the driving forces behind Partial Birth Abortion. Once they found out the stem cells could cure certain spinal injuries and cure certain cancers... they started planting and harvesting full term viable infants for the stem cell [oh and the eyes and the organs].... Baby body parts... that's what partial birth abortion is all about...

Once our President banned new stem cells from being harvested with government money [and let's not get into the argument about how those were harvested.... viable children are required... it's an essential ingredient] it became evident that they could clone stem cells for their research... and they could use embryonic cells.

What Annapolis did by defining "adult stem cells" the way they did... was the same as finding the loop hole in the legislation on the Federal Level.... "adult stem cells" may still harvested from babies under the definition from Annapolis... I was told that they passed that definition so the medical money would stay in Maryland instead of going to Virginia or elsewhere... it was all about the money....

I hate this whole discussion... but instead of calling people pro-life or right to life... haphazardly and allowing them to get watered down together...your should get your definitions straight... there's a lot of difference.... and if cherishing the value of human life makes me a conservative... then so be it... I wouldn't vote for someone who wouldn't be flat out honest about how they feel on this issue... period

What Annapolis did by defining "adult stem cells" the way they did... was the same as finding the loop hole in the legislation on the Federal Level.... "adult stem cells" may still harvested from babies under the definition from Annapolis... I was told that they passed that definition so the medical money would stay in Maryland instead of going to Virginia or elsewhere... it was all about the money....
As I understand the definition the cells can only be obtained after birth which makes them different then embryonic stem cells, does it not? Thus that while they may be obtained from a very young child they will not be destroying a viable life to obtain them.

Ms. Tice, if you are a Republican because of one issue, you have no place being on the Calvert County Board.

Your points about stem cell research are not proven, don't reflect science, and are hurtful to the millions in our country who suffer from severe disability and terminal illness. You go to them and tell them you don't support the science that can lead to their curing.

I oppose abortion, I oppose the death penalty, I support stem cell research that uses embroyos already targeted for destruction. That's pro-life...those are positions that reflect "the right to life." I refuse to accept a bastardized view of these life issues and mislabeling.

Ms. Tice, if you are a Republican because of one issue, you have no place being on the Calvert County Board.

Your points about stem cell research are not proven, don't reflect science, and are hurtful to the millions in our country who suffer from severe disability and terminal illness. You go to them and tell them you don't support the science that can lead to their curing.

I oppose abortion, I oppose the death penalty, I support stem cell research that uses embroyos already targeted for destruction. That's pro-life...those are positions that reflect "the right to life." I refuse to accept a bastardized view of these life issues and mislabeling.

Where did these embroyos come from?

Where did these embroyos come from?
excess from in vitro fertilization but some people have a problem with that also.

Ms. Tice, if you are a Republican because of one issue, you have no place being on the Calvert County Board.

Your points about stem cell research are not proven, don't reflect science, and are hurtful to the millions in our country who suffer from severe disability and terminal illness. You go to them and tell them you don't support the science that can lead to their curing.

I oppose abortion, I oppose the death penalty, I support stem cell research that uses embroyos already targeted for destruction. That's pro-life...those are positions that reflect "the right to life." I refuse to accept a bastardized view of these life issues and mislabeling.


There are plenty of stem cells that are now being cloned. There is no need for us to go back to harvesting them the way we began.... science has answered the call for a more humane way to do things again.... I would support the science we have now.... My godmother died of cancer that would now be cured with this very science. Had the science progressed to the point it is now.... she might have made a different decision....

This is not the only reason I am a Republican... but it was a defining reason... the one that stands out above all others....

I would hope that when it comes down to the ballot ... people will vote for me because I will do the job to the best of my ability and they like what I put in writing in these forums.... I would hope that they would vote for me because I am brave enough to stand up for the issues that are important and smart enough to listen to the other side of an issue....

My logo is Tice is Right! but believe me I am smart enough to know that I am not always right...

I support the ban on partial birth abortion... I'm glad that stem cell research has progressed to the point that we can clone the stem cells so we can save lives.... I don't agree with the definition the State came up with for adult stem cells but the ability to clone the stem cells may make that a moot point...I think we agree, though, that Right to Life and Pro Life are two different issues.... and I also think we both support them both...