dog Training

[Chain729 (Premo)]

Originally Posted by cattitude

Yep, it does.

No it doesn't. It's no different than rewarding your kid for a good report card but grounding them for getting into a fight. Positive for one, negative for another. Encourage the good behaviour, discourage the bad. Choker and praise Treats spoil them and they'll always expect it.

[cattitude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Chain729

No it doesn't. It's no different than rewarding your kid for a good report card but grounding them for getting into a fight. Positive for one, negative for another. Encourage the good behaviour, discourage the bad. Choker and praise Treats spoil them and they'll always expect it.

I disagree and I've been to MANY training classes in my lifetime. The postive reinforcement by Canine Mind has been the best by far and I've taken 3 dogs through several classes there.

No need to yank mine around with a choke collar.

But, hey, to each his own.

[jp2854]

she hasn't used anything yet. We just started with basic commands of sit and down and off and come. May I ask what is wrong with a collar that pinches then when they pull? I will see what the collar looks like and if it looks like it could hurt the dog i will say no way to the lady that is training the dog. Shes got 3 pits and a lab for dogs and her lab does search and rescue that shes trained on this collar to walk on lead

[Chain729 (Premo)]

Originally Posted by cattitude

I disagree and I've been to MANY training classes in my lifetime. The postive reinforcement by Canine Mind has been the best by far and I've taken 3 dogs through several classes there.

No need to yank mine around with a choke collar.

But, hey, to each his own.

I helped Dad breed and train hunting dogs. It hasn't stood the test of time because it doesn't work. There's always a better way, but there's also always more than one way.

[forever jewel]

Originally Posted by Chain729

I helped Dad breed and train hunting dogs. It hasn't stood the test of time because it doesn't work. There's always a better way, but there's also always more than one way.

That's like saying "You should pour turpentine on a cut because my grandpappy did it". But we know there are more sanitary methods now. Just because it works, does not mean it is the best method.

From personal experience, I've trained dogs using the choker collar method and positive reinforcement method. While negative reinforcement will get an instant response, positive reinforcement provides a lasting response.

[Chain729 (Premo)]

Originally Posted by forever jewel

That's like saying "You should pour turpentine on a cut because my grandpappy did it". But we know there are more sanitary methods now. Just because it works, does not mean it is the best method.

From personal experience, I've trained dogs using the choker collar method and positive reinforcement method. While negative reinforcement will get an instant response, positive reinforcement provides a lasting response.

[dia look]

Originally Posted by jp2854

she hasn't used anything yet. We just started with basic commands of sit and down and off and come. May I ask what is wrong with a collar that pinches then when they pull? I will see what the collar looks like and if it looks like it could hurt the dog i will say no way to the lady that is training the dog. Shes got 3 pits and a lab for dogs and her lab does search and rescue that shes trained on this collar to walk on lead

the pinch collar, if used correctly, quickly pinches the dog then releases, where as a choker, will choke until released. In situations where positive reinforcement is not working, and choker is not getting the response required, a pinch collar can be used to quickly let the dog know what is expected of them without constantly pulling on the choker. Like several people have stated, there are differnet ways of teaching, and just because someone doens't agree with them does not make that method right or wrong, only wrong in the eyes of the person speaking. They have established several basic different ways that humans learn and can be taught, why should dogs be different? The thing to do is approach everythign with an open mind and use what works, and what makes your life with your pet the best.

[Lacie Girl]

Originally Posted by dia look

the pinch collar, if used correctly, quickly pinches the dog then releases, where as a choker, will choke until released. In situations where positive reinforcement is not working, and choker is not getting the response required, a pinch collar can be used to quickly let the dog know what is expected of them without constantly pulling on the choker.

Thank you for explaning this so well, dia look!

I am the one training jp2854's puppy. With a puppy at her age, I use positive reinforcement for all of her basic commands. I only reprimand for negative actions (ie biting). jp2854 owns a giant breed dog. Though relatively small now, she is already pulling hard on her leash. Before you know it, she will be pulling everyone in the house down the street.

I am against using choke collars though I was misquoted at saying they are a mean way of training. I don't use choke collars because, in my experience, most dogs will continue to pull and choke themselves regardless. These collars have been known to break a dogs trachea. It is for this reason that I teach all of my clients how to properly use a pinch/prong collar if one is needed. I teach my clients when it is appropriate to use one as well as what the potential dangers are.

I am not against someone else teaching with a choke collar as I expect a professional trainer to instruct in its proper use. It just isn't a training tool that I use myself.

I agree with many people here that there are a variety of ways to train dogs, none of which are right or wrong. One example is my lab. He does remarkably well with work on a pinch collar (ie negative reinforcement). I think he would eat my hand off if I used strictly positive reinforcement. Also, he completely disregards me when food comes into the picture. On the other hand, all of my pit bulls do better with a more positive reinforcement approach. I only walk them on a pinch collar so they don't get the idea that they are part of a sled team and pull me down the street. If I had to choose which dog performs more soundly every time, it would be my lab in a heart beat. I love my pits dearly and they all listen beautifully but my lab has a quicker and happier response (I am talking off leash here so there is no threat to the dog that he will be reprimanded if he doesn't respond).

I hope everyone has a great day and enjoys the weather with their dogs!!!

[tommyjones]

Originally Posted by Lacie Girl

Thank you for explaning this so well, dia look!

I am the one training jp2854's puppy. With a puppy at her age, I use positive reinforcement for all of her basic commands. I only reprimand for negative actions (ie biting). jp2854 owns a giant breed dog. Though relatively small now, she is already pulling hard on her leash. Before you know it, she will be pulling everyone in the house down the street.

I am against using choke collars though I was misquoted at saying they are a mean way of training. I don't use choke collars because, in my experience, most dogs will continue to pull and choke themselves regardless. These collars have been known to break a dogs trachea. It is for this reason that I teach all of my clients how to properly use a pinch/prong collar if one is needed. I teach my clients when it is appropriate to use one as well as what the potential dangers are.

if the dog continues to pull and it is choking then YOU are not using the collar correctly, a trainer should know how to use the tools of the trade, even if they dont personally use them.

[forever jewel]

Originally Posted by Lacie Girl

Thank you for explaning this so well, dia look!

I am the one training jp2854's puppy. With a puppy at her age, I use positive reinforcement for all of her basic commands. I only reprimand for negative actions (ie biting). jp2854 owns a giant breed dog. Though relatively small now, she is already pulling hard on her leash. Before you know it, she will be pulling everyone in the house down the street.

You mean, if she isn't trained she'll pull them down the street or regardless of training?