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[tes218]

Originally Posted by tommyjones

if you choose to resuce a bunch of dogs, then YOU are choosing to pay those costs.

I certainly am not going to pay the same amount for a "rescue" that i would for a pure breed puppy. Alot of times thats exactly what "rescues" are charging.
If you dont want to pay those costs, dont adopt them, leave them for others who are willing. why should i pay a middleman?

BTW, i got my last dog at tricounty animal shelter and paid all of the adoption and vet fees, less than 100 to start, ten years ago, but still

Have you called around and seen what rescues fees are for adoptions? I know of at least four in this area and their fees are much lower than you would pay for a pure breed or a "pure breed" from a backyard breeder. Just look at the classifieds for puppies listed. As BSGal mentioned, her dog's fee was $175. I have no problem with anyone going to Tri-County! Please go adopt them all from there! Unfortunately there are breeds the county won't adopt to people due to regulations and they don't stand a chance without rescue groups.

You seem to be confusing the terms "adopt" with "rescue". Rescue groups don't adopt the dogs, they provide a safe place for them until someone does "adopt" them.

Maybe you just don't get it or don't want to get it. Maybe you never will and that's ok, not everyone can. The great thing is there are plenty of options for someone who wants a dog, shelters, rescue groups, people looking for other homes for their dogs, etc. Unfortunately, they are not in short supply.

[tommyjones]

Originally Posted by tes218

Have you called around and seen what rescues fees are for adoptions? I know of at least four in this area and their fees are much lower than you would pay for a pure breed or a "pure breed" from a backyard breeder. Just look at the classifieds for puppies listed. As BSGal mentioned, her dog's fee was $175. I have no problem with anyone going to Tri-County! Please go adopt them all from there! Unfortunately there are breeds the county won't adopt to people due to regulations and they don't stand a chance without rescue groups.

You seem to be confusing the terms "adopt" with "rescue". Rescue groups don't adopt the dogs, they provide a safe place for them until someone does "adopt" them.

Maybe you just don't get it or don't want to get it. Maybe you never will and that's ok, not everyone can. The great thing is there are plenty of options for someone who wants a dog, shelters, rescue groups, people looking for other homes for their dogs, etc. Unfortunately, they are not in short supply.

I know the difference between adoption and rescue. My point is if i want to adopt a dog, why should i pay for your rescue BUSINESS?
So you have found 1 person who says they paid an adoption fee of 175, seems a little high to me, but whatever. I have personal experience with rescues charging much higher fees, and most are 200 or over. I KNOW i can buy dogs for that price, and i can save one myself for a lot less.

If you really want these dogs to get adopted into 'forever' homes you can't expect the new owner to pay your expenses for them.

If i was "giving" a dog away would you pay me for all the vet and other bills i had paid in the life of the dog?

its the same thing. you are willingly 'rescuing' these animals, (which prevents others from being able to at a reasonable fee) you should be willingly paying the up keep as long as they are YOUR DOG.

[krazd_kat]

Originally Posted by tommyjones

If you really want these dogs to get adopted into 'forever' homes you can't expect the new owner to pay your expenses for them.

its the same thing. you are willingly 'rescuing' these animals, (which prevents others from being able to at a reasonable fee) you should be willingly paying the up keep as long as they are YOUR DOG.

Most of the dogs we rescue would never be "rescued" by John Q Public as these dogs are not available to the public, due to breed, or maybe they bit the kid when the puppy was only 8 weeks old (but it's now on death row). If they were available through the shelter then yes you would pay $85 which would include the spay/neuter and shots and microchip. (what I'm saying here is without us rescuing these dogs, they would die)

Our adoption fee is $200, yes, it's more, but I can guarantee you that you could not buy some of the pure bred dogs that have come through our group UNLESS you bought them from a BYB for anywhere near the $200 which includes their spay/neuter, shots, microchip, plus if they come to us w/heartworms, we also pay that, if they have any other issues (kennel cough, worms), we pay that - all of that never changes our adoption fee of $200.

Not too mention, they are living with us and we know more of their personality to know if it would work in your home, than if you adopt the dog from the shelter, get it home and on the second day you find that it really isn't house trained, it really can chew itself out of it's crate, it really doesn't not just like cats, it HATES cats...

At $200 there may be some dogs that we actually only spent $50-$100 - whoopee, we just made $100.... well, the other dog that appeared healthy had to have 2 emergency surgeries after her spay surgery... there's a $400 bill and her adoption fee was $200.

Groups like mine that are just starting out (especially) are truly non-profit, we finished our year in the red, and if all the volunteers turned in their receipts for reimbursement, well, surely Uncle Sam would think we all had lost our minds.

When we get senior dogs into our group, they are adopted for $0.00, we only want them to find a final forever home. We lower our fees on other dogs for different reasons and for different adoptors (based on whether it's an ideal home or not).

None of us are complaining about the money we spend while these dogs are in foster care in our homes, we do it because we love them and are drawn to this. And thanks to the many people like the volunteers hundreds of dogs are saved daily, we give them the time to find the "right" home.

The difference is these dogs are loved like our own, but they are NOT our dogs.

vkenner, I know it's frustrating working with a rescue group, my advice is to continue to follow up. Sometimes I get so tied up with taking care of dogs and answering emails and maybe having a date, that I "forget" to call someone back. The more you follow up with me, it proves to me how interested you are and will make me happier to work with you.

Trust me, if I had kids to have my foster dogs around I'd be happy to have you meet them. It's hard on me, I've NEVER had kids and they scare me around my 80 pound fosters more than my fosters scare me, probably most of them would be find living with kids, but unfortunately since they don't live with kids all the time, I can't responsibily place them with young children.

[tes218]

Originally Posted by tommyjones

I know the difference between adoption and rescue. My point is if i want to adopt a dog, why should i pay for your rescue BUSINESS?So you have found 1 person who says they paid an adoption fee of 175, seems a little high to me, but whatever. I have personal experience with rescues charging much higher fees, and most are 200 or over. I KNOW i can buy dogs for that price, and i can save one myself for a lot less.

If you really want these dogs to get adopted into 'forever' homes you can't expect the new owner to pay your expenses for them.

If i was "giving" a dog away would you pay me for all the vet and other bills i had paid in the life of the dog?

its the same thing. you are willingly 'rescuing' these animals, (which prevents others from being able to at a reasonable fee) you should be willingly paying the up keep as long as they are YOUR DOG.

Ok, as I stated, there are many options. If you don't want to pay a rescue, don't! Don't think anyone is forcing that on you.

I have to tell you this statement, "which prevents others from being able to at a reasonable fee", actually made me laugh out loud. Sounds like we hurry into the shelter to grab up all of the dogs before anyone else can adopt them so we can then "make" people pay unreasonable prices. I said in my other post that the county cannot adopt out certain breeds to the general public. Doesn't matter if they were the only ones in there, you couldn't adopt them for any price. Anyway, truth be told, rescue groups usually get the phone calls to come into the shelter when the dogs are down to their last hours, sometimes minutes. Their time is up! No one came to adopt them. Price was not an issue for them.

Anyway, to each their own. You never have to support a rescue if you feel you're being taken advantage of. That's the great thing about choice!

Good day.

[frequentflier (Premo)]

Originally Posted by krazd_kat

Most of the dogs we rescue would never be "rescued" by John Q Public as these dogs are not available to the public, due to breed, or maybe they bit the kid when the puppy was only 8 weeks old (but it's now on death row). If they were available through the shelter then yes you would pay $85 which would include the spay/neuter and shots and microchip. (what I'm saying here is without us rescuing these dogs, they would die)

Our adoption fee is $200, yes, it's more, but I can guarantee you that you could not buy some of the pure bred dogs that have come through our group UNLESS you bought them from a BYB for anywhere near the $200 which includes their spay/neuter, shots, microchip, plus if they come to us w/heartworms, we also pay that, if they have any other issues (kennel cough, worms), we pay that - all of that never changes our adoption fee of $200.



At $200 there may be some dogs that we actually only spent $50-$100 - whoopee, we just made $100.... well, the other dog that appeared healthy had to have 2 emergency surgeries after her spay surgery... there's a $400 bill and her adoption fee was $200.

Groups like mine that are just starting out (especially) are truly non-profit, we finished our year in the red, and if all the volunteers turned in their receipts for reimbursement, well, surely Uncle Sam would think we all had lost our minds..

I know you rely on donations, too. Where does the food come from?

[vkenner]

Krazd,

What organization do you volunteer for?

[SoftballCrazy]

Originally Posted by vkenner

Krazd,

What organization do you volunteer for?

K_K is the Pres of Second Hope Rescue.

Second Hope Rescue

[krazd_kat]

Originally Posted by frequentflier

I know you rely on donations, too. Where does the food come from?

The Well Pet Clinic usually donates extra food to me and some of the other organizations occasionally as well. Most the grocery stores we approached already were donating to other places so we couldn't qualify.

Otherwise, it's me and WalMart - 30-40 lbs every 2-4 days....

[vkenner]

Hey everybody,

I did not mean to start an argument with my frustation. That was not my intention at all. Let move on off this subject before somebody get there feeling hurt.

[krazd_kat]

Originally Posted by vkenner

Hey everybody,

I did not mean to start an argument with my frustation. That was not my intention at all. Let move on off this subject before somebody get there feeling hurt.

Don't worry, it won't be the first one!

I got frustrated myself, my neice recently graduated college and started a new job with the Department of Homeland Security and of course she is working on the border (Mexico). That entire area really isn't safe for anyone that wears one of those uniforms. So she decided she was going to adopt a dog.

After all, her aunt is the founder of a rescue right? Ha.... EVERYONE turned her down, didn't even check her references due to her age and the fact that she rents...

Of my entire family, she's actually the ONLY one I would adopt to...

So we do see the other side of the frustration at times ourself.