I've stepped on Breeders Toes - I understand

[krazd_kat]

Okay, just checked my "karma" -
Obviously I've stepped on some breeders toes around here judging from what this says:
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Two Senior Labs at TriC... 11-14-2006 09:29 AM Practice what U Preach and STFU
PIC-4 yr old GSD Needs ... 11-09-2006 08:47 AM Because your the ####ing idiot that bashes breeders, thats what it has to do with it
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Only thing I can add is that if I'm offending you by my signature, you must not be COE (Code of Ethics) Breeders or you would understand my position.

If you don't rescue - don't breed - PERIOD

I'm glad an anonymous board gives you the courage to give such nasty Karma - be a man or a woman - be public about your beliefs, I am.

[cattitude (Premo)]

You're trying to do a good thing and you are entitled to your opinions. Not all people that call themselves breeders and sell puppies are responsible.

Keep up the good work.

[migtig]

Originally Posted by cattitude

You're trying to do a good thing and you are entitled to your opinions. Not all people that call themselves breeders and sell puppies are responsible.

Keep up the good work.

And I do happen to know that you practice what you preach.

[Nucklesack]

Originally Posted by krazd_kat

Okay, just checked my "karma" -
Obviously I've stepped on some breeders toes around here judging from what this says:
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Two Senior Labs at TriC... 11-14-2006 09:29 AM Practice what U Preach and STFU
PIC-4 yr old GSD Needs ... 11-09-2006 08:47 AM Because your the ####ing idiot that bashes breeders, thats what it has to do with it
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Only thing I can add is that if I'm offending you by my signature, you must not be COE (Code of Ethics) Breeders or you would understand my position.

If you don't rescue - don't breed - PERIOD

I'm glad an anonymous board gives you the courage to give such nasty Karma - be a man or a woman - be public about your beliefs, I am.

I think its more the Holier than Though attitude you exude pertaining to Breeding.
I know many good breeders (and their dogs dont starve thank you). But you are trying to equate all Breeders with the backyard breeders at the Amish Market and they are 2 different animals.

[Cowgirl]

Originally Posted by Nucklesack

I think its more the Holier than Though attitude you exude pertaining to Breeding.
I know many good breeders (and their dogs dont starve thank you). But you are trying to equate all Breeders with the backyard breeders at the Amish Market and they are 2 different animals.

I think the point krazd_kat is trying to make is not that breeders don't feed their dogs or take care of them well enough...but that there are so many homeless animals out there already. Part of being a responsible breeder is breeding for the right reason. Just because you have cute dogs is not a responsible reason. Just because you want your kids to see the birth of puppies is not a responsible reason. Breeding to improve the breed is a responsible reason. People who breed with no regard of how many dogs are out there already, and who breed dogs that are not of exceptional quality (both physically and mentally) should not breed.

[krazd_kat]

Originally Posted by Nucklesack

I think its more the Holier than Though attitude you exude pertaining to Breeding.
I know many good breeders (and their dogs dont starve thank you). But you are trying to equate all Breeders with the backyard breeders at the Amish Market and they are 2 different animals.

I have never equated COE Breeders with the BYB's that sell at the Amish Market.

Responsible Breeding Steps

I do have a problem with anyone that breeds their dogs w/o proper planning, health clearances, and standing behind the puppy for the rest of it's life. A

I will apologize if I come across as "Holier than Though", I only mean to come across as someone with a conscience.

Go volunteer for a day or two at TriCounty and see how you feel about anyone that wants to breed their dog "because everyone wants one of my puppies". Walk through there and see all the dogs that will never come out of that place. If you have a soul that should make you come face to face with yourself.

[krazd_kat]

Originally Posted by Cowgirl

I think the point krazd_kat is trying to make is not that breeders don't feed their dogs or take care of them well enough...but that there are so many homeless animals out there already. Part of being a responsible breeder is breeding for the right reason. Just because you have cute dogs is not a responsible reason. Just because you want your kids to see the birth of puppies is not a responsible reason. Breeding to improve the breed is a responsible reason. People who breed with no regard of how many dogs are out there already, and who breed dogs that are not of exceptional quality (both physically and mentally) should not breed.

Thank you - that's exactly what I mean.

[happyappygirl (Premo)]

WELL....i AM a COE Rottie Breeder. Have been breeding for 25 years, with lots of AKC/Canadian Conformation and obedience titles to my credit. We are also well known for long lived healthy Rotts (almost unheard of now a days).
With that said...i do NOT rescue Rotties for several reasons. Not the least of which is the inherent danger to my family taking in dogs of unknown history. It's not worth it to me or my other dogs in terms of disease and ill temperament. Many Rotties in rescue are there for a reason as i can attest too, with nerve damage to both hands as a result of a severe, unprovoked bite, from a dog that gave no warning. He had been taught NOT to growl, hence the BITE, with no growl (warning). His "new rescuers" had brought him to me for evaluation, because he was (unbeknownst to me of course) biting THEM. The poor placement, training and socialzation equalled the Blue juice for him, through no fault of his own.
What I DO offer, is assistance with placement, if i can. I offer referrals if possible and only in certain circumstances (where i can gather enough info on the dog that i feel it's placement is through unfortunate circumstances, often beyond the control of the family).

I always ask folks who contact me with emails or phone calls professing they HAVE to get the dog out NOW or else....is this question: "Did you contact the breeder?" that simple questions drives my point home. Ethical, caring breeders bear a cradle to grave responsibility for what they produce.

The countless hours i have spent with people coaching them in the "right" way, very often ends with another phone call...."Um...hey...i bought puppy X from breeder Z, because it was ONLY X dollars and i really only want a "pet" anyways....but while i have you on the phone...puppy-puppy is biting my kids and drawing blood, or puppy-puppy was just diagnosed with severe HD or Demodectic mange, or Parvo...whatever..... what should i do?....can you help me?" NO. Ask your "breeder". Why should we be ultimately resposible for the actions of others, when we can only control our own?
Climbing off my soapbox now....

In reading your signature line, you say "support" rescue...what exactly does that mean?

[cattitude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by happyappygirl

Ethical, caring breeders bear a cradle to grave responsibility for what they produce.

Key words being ethical and caring....

[Nucklesack]

Originally Posted by happyappygirl

a whole lot of other words

Why should we be ultimately resposible for the actions of others, when we can only control our own?
Climbing off my soapbox now....

Because only one or two of your Puppys go to good homes, the rest are left Starving and/or abused.

You are Perpetuating the neverending cycle of Violence and need to step up to the plate and Rescue EVERY Rottweiler that is at Tri-County, it is your Responsibility.








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