'Okay for teachers to hit students'

[Misfit]

http://www.thelocal.se/41010/20120524/

Teachers should be able to tolerate violence inflicted on them by students, but at the same time have scope for using force against unruly pupils, according to two recent Swedish court rulings.

In one case, a teacher was assaulted by a student who was subsequently convicted by the district court in Gällivare, northern Sweden.

The assault took place at a school in Kiruna after a teacher had taken the unruly student out of the lunchroom, at which point the student began to hit and kick the teacher, and also threatened to kill him.

Despite the guilty verdict, the court nevertheless found that the teacher didn't deserve any compensation for the incident because teachers who are responsible for supervising students "must expect that some violence and threats can occur when they intervene".

In justifying its denial of compensation for the teacher, the court compared the teacher's supervisory role to that of a police or security guard.

"A very strange ruling and what really makes is weird is that they say that teachers should be able to tolerate a beating. No, teachers shouldn't tolerate that," Metta Fjelkner, head of the Lärarnas riksförbund teachers union, to Sveriges Television (SVT).

[Vince]

Originally Posted by Misfit

http://www.thelocal.se/41010/20120524/

Teachers should be able to tolerate violence inflicted on them by students, but at the same time have scope for using force against unruly pupils, according to two recent Swedish court rulings.In one case, a teacher was assaulted by a student who was subsequently convicted by the district court in Gällivare, northern Sweden.

The assault took place at a school in Kiruna after a teacher had taken the unruly student out of the lunchroom, at which point the student began to hit and kick the teacher, and also threatened to kill him.

Despite the guilty verdict, the court nevertheless found that the teacher didn't deserve any compensation for the incident because teachers who are responsible for supervising students "must expect that some violence and threats can occur when they intervene".

In justifying its denial of compensation for the teacher, the court compared the teacher's supervisory role to that of a police or security guard.

"A very strange ruling and what really makes is weird is that they say that teachers should be able to tolerate a beating. No, teachers shouldn't tolerate that," Metta Fjelkner, head of the Lärarnas riksförbund teachers union, to Sveriges Television (SVT).

Now that's real incentive to become a teacher.

[Pete]

The Supreme Swiss Court of Pete concurs with the ruling of the lower court and upholds the decision.

So the teacher got kicked, assault yes, big payday....no. It irks me and if demeans those who are really injured to have opportunistic jackasses looking for a cha ching event so they can cop a couple hundred grand for getting punched, kicked or spat upon. Rub some dirt on it and move along.

[Vince]

Originally Posted by Pete

The Supreme Swiss Court of Pete concurs with the ruling of the lower court and upholds the decision.

So the teacher got kicked, assault yes, big payday....no. It irks me and if demeans those who are really injured to have opportunistic jackasses looking for a cha ching event so they can cop a couple hundred grand for getting punched, kicked or spat upon. Rub some dirt on it and move along.

That would be OK if I could hit back. If I were that teacher, I wouldn't be in court for compensation, I'd probably be there for defending myself.

[Pete]

Originally Posted by Vince

That would be OK if I could hit back. If I were that teacher, I wouldn't be in court for compensation, I'd probably be there for defending myself.

I doubt you would be in court for defending yourself. See the bottom half of the story where a principal was aquitted for using force on a student and the Swiss court said that was acceptable. It also does not say that in the course of defending yourself you cannot strike a blow. It simply says that if you get whacked by a crazed kid at school and you are not permanently maimed you do not have grounds to get a big check as "compensation" because getting whacked by a crazed kid is not outside the norm of occurrence for that occupation.

[Vince]

Originally Posted by Pete

I doubt you would be in court for defending yourself. See the bottom half of the story where a principal was aquitted for using force on a student and the Swiss court said that was acceptable. It also does not say that in the course of defending yourself you cannot strike a blow. It simply says that if you get whacked by a crazed kid at school and you are not permanently maimed you do not have grounds to get a big check as "compensation" because getting whacked by a crazed kid is not outside the norm of occurrence for that occupation.

Was thinking American.

[Railroad (Premo)]

I'm a corporal punishment supporter. Actions speak louder than words sometimes, and sometimes the fear of discomfort will cause a kid to choose good behavior over bad. I wouldn't have removed the kid from the lunchroom, but the kid might have needed a Kleenex after I let him know how I felt about his behavior, and the kids in the lunchroom would have learned an object lesson about what happens when you act like a jackazz.

[Peepaw95]

Originally Posted by Railroad

I'm a corporal punishment supporter. Actions speak louder than words sometimes, and sometimes the fear of discomfort will cause a kid to choose good behavior over bad. I wouldn't have removed the kid from the lunchroom, but the kid might have needed a Kleenex after I let him know how I felt about his behavior, and the kids in the lunchroom would have learned an object lesson about what happens when you act like a jackazz.

IMHO the education system in this country will remain low on the achivement list until corporal punishment is brought back. It only takes 1 disrupetive student to cause the the entire class to fall behind.
Either that or expel the students that constantly disrupe the classroom. In otherwords, do away with the current system which is not working anyway. That system being "No child left behind". Since this was instituted, the entire educational system has been left behind.

[vraiblonde]

I think that if teachers are required to parent students - teaching them sex, values, morals, etc. - they should be able to beat the #### out of them as they see fit.

[Vince]

Originally Posted by vraiblonde

I think that if teachers are required to parent students - teaching them sex, values, morals, etc. - they should be able to beat the #### out of them as they see fit.

And that's part of the problem....teaching the kids sex, their values, their morals, etc. Should not be allowed. Teach them reading, writing, arithmetic, etc.