Parenting Police.

Originally Posted by JPC sr

Because the children already have ALL of their needs and more already provided in full and overflowing.

The children have already eaten and full and the refrigerator and shelves are full so the child does not need more food. The children already have clothing a plenty with their closets full and overflowing so there is no need to give them more clothing. The children have housing with their own rooms and nice clean respectable place to live so there is no need to give more money for housing as they have it nicely already. The same is true for ALL other needs and much more then just needs. The children already have extras and luxuries and more so demanding that the separated parent pay a child support that pays for nothing supporting the child is a fraud and everybody knows it but the custodials mis-use the children as a weapon and the gov is hopelessly incompetant and it needs to be repaired.

I hope that helps to answer some.

It takes 2 to make a kid..And 2 people to raise it,, pay for it and etc, not just one of them.

[hvp05 (Premo)]

Originally Posted by JPC sr

That is assuming some thing that is not true.

How do you manage to type this stuff without lightning striking you dead? I'm surprised you can still sit comfortably, considering these enormous fallacies you pull out of your azz repeatedly.

Originally Posted by JPC sr

The poorest of the poor children anywhere in the USA are the families on welfare, and those families have so much food and clothing and housing

Possibly on your planet welfare means "rich and luxurious", but here on earth welfare means the bare minimum income, the bare minimum standards... and often times it's not even that good.

You're also not realizing - or not admitting - that welfare is supposed to be a temporary solution, not a lifelong support system. Welfare ought to exist to provide a safety net, not a regular income source.

To address the food part specifically, consider this:

The federal government offers a wide array of nutrition assistance programs to help low-income families with children meet their food needs. Nonetheless, official statistics indicate that nearly one in five children in the United States lived in a food-insecure household in 2002 (Nord, Andrews, and Carlson 2003). The rate of food insecurity among poor and near-poor families (income below 130 percent of the poverty level) is more than double that for all children, and more than one in ten near-poor children live in families that experience hunger during the year. Source.

The government is a machine with an incalculable number of moving, interacting parts. The bigger the government gets the more complicated the problem becomes. Thus, it is not possible for the government to adequately account for the needs of every family and its children. The best way to make sure everyone is taken care of is for every parent to care for their own - every parent, as in both.

Oh, that shriveled mess on the ground is your point defeated.

Originally Posted by JPC sr

according to gov standards

Again, if you wish to live off gubment cheese for the rest of your life then so be it... but 99.5% of the remaining population wishes for better.

Originally Posted by JPC sr

I suggest that we stick with the truth, lets stick with reality.

Not possible... for only you can live in your corrupted "reality".

Originally Posted by JPC sr

In the poorest of poor families the gov takes the child support that gets paid by the separated parents and the gov keeps the c/s cash.

This only happens in cases involving bottom-feeders like yourself and you know it. My dad paid support regularly for ~13 years, and the government never deducted a dime. The difference? He paid his dues and never pushed his responsibility onto the government, so the government didn't have any reason to take said dime.

You are also not realizing - or, again, not admitting - that the government has no money. What it has is withheld taxpayer money... my money, TP's money, and every other person that earns their living. The fact that this has not sunk in... and you wish to be a politician... is sickening.

Research indicates that more than $34 billion in potential child support income goes unpaid each year and that almost two-thirds of single mothers fail to receive any child support. Source.

$34 billion, and that was reported 9 years ago. The government can not spend, spend, spend because it has no money. So it has every right to seek reimbursement once it finds the deadbeat.

Originally Posted by JPC sr

Well at least this takes us back to parenting police, because it is not your place nor the gov place to teach other parents as to how to raise their own children. You and the law are way out of line.

All we are taken back to is what a steaming, hypocritical pile of crap you are. You speak out of one side of your mouth demonizing "the government" and all laws, even calling for anarchy. Meanwhile, out of the other side of your mouth, you say the government should pick up the tab for all the babies that are abandoned. Write as many laws for as many programs as is necessary, and toss in a truckload of bureaucracy for good measure... as long as the deadbeat dumbazz doesn't have to pay.


I'm done.

[buddy999]

Originally Posted by JPC sr

That is assuming some thing that is not true.

I certainly have been trying to point out that child support is based on lies and now you want me to assume the lies are true. Well no, I will not.

The poorest of the poor children anywhere in the USA are the families on welfare, and those families have so much food and clothing and housing that gets physically inspected to make certain the family and all the kids are well housed according to gov standards, so no, we are not going to pretent that the custodial and children are in desperate need to justify the dirty thievery of child support.

I suggest that we stick with the truth, lets stick with reality. In the poorest of poor families the gov takes the child support that gets paid by the separated parents and the gov keeps the c/s cash. The gov takes the child support cash from the poorest of the poor families because they already have all their needs overflowing. That is the reality.

Our laws lock parents into a cage and rob the parents of their livelihood and it is based on those same lying assumptions of immaginary families with immaginary hunger and immaginary needs. While child support enforcement is real live stealing and real live injustice and real live jails and slander. Well at least this takes us back to parenting police, because it is not your place nor the gov place to teach other parents as to how to raise their own children. You and the law are way out of line. Big daddy TP and big daddy gov can both go to hell.

I'd say that at least 90% of the population, who are not deadbeats themselves, are smart enough to see through the crap that you are spouting. There are alot more seperated parents who pay their C/S because they realize that their child, and sometimes the custodial parent depend on the money to help make ends meet.

I do realize that there are some custodial parents using the C/S monies sent for things that do not support the child and that is unfortunate. That fact does not release the non-custodial parent of their responsibility.

Every message that you post speaks of personal responsibility. My guess is that you don't believe that responsibility is yours as well as everyone elses. Child Support is the RESPONSIBILITY of BOTH PARENTS.

Here is a website that might help bear that out: http://www.wantedposters.com/

[JPC sr]

Originally Posted by missperky

It takes 2 to make a kid..And 2 people to raise it,, pay for it and etc, not just one of them.

That is why the divorces and the separations are the real problem.

If one wants two parents to raise the child then the two parents need to stay together with the child.

The root of that problem is in the gov getting into the religious institution of marriage and the gov granting the easy writ of divorce that undermined the Church's authority and now we have a secular / gov mess to a religious problem.

Child support is really gov subsidized adultery.

[JPC sr]

Originally Posted by hvp05

Possibly on your planet welfare means "rich and luxurious", but here on earth welfare means the bare minimum income, the bare minimum standards... and often times it's not even that good.

Again, if you wish to live off gubment cheese for the rest of your life then so be it... but 99.5% of the remaining population wishes for better.

I was talking about the poorest of the poor families on welfare and not the working poor. The working poor will often go hungry and pitiful housing and much lackings but it is because the working poor spend their pay checks on partying and fun times and not on the needs. When they get the child support those families are still dirt poor anyway because they spend the money on vanity items.

I really do not codemn the working poor for their excesses and I think they need higher incomes for their low paying jobs so then they could spend more on their needs.

But those poorest of the poor families do not have that option. In that welfare gives the families a home and not the money, the welfare gives food stamps (Independent card) for their food and not cash money. So the welfare poor live well because welfare provides the needs and not the cash, thus they do not even give the welfare parents / welfare children the child support money because they might mis-spend the money on partying like the working poor do with their cash.

Originally Posted by hvp05

$34 billion, and that was reported 9 years ago. The government can not spend, spend, spend because it has no money. So it has every right to seek reimbursement once it finds the deadbeat, Sourse.

That link that "hvp" uses says the child support is not paid by deadbroke parents and the gov is trying to get the separated parents a job and even gov created jobs and that link site says that the gov is prepared to forgive the debt that the parents pay to the gov called child support. The gov will forgive the child support that the gov collects for itself and not for the children. That is unjust parenting police laws which steal the child support payments from the custodials that do get paid by the separated parents. That is from "hvp's" link.

Originally Posted by JPC sr

That is why the divorces and the separations are the real problem.

If one wants two parents to raise the child then the two parents need to stay together with the child.

The root of that problem is in the gov getting into the religious institution of marriage and the gov granting the easy writ of divorce that undermined the Church's authority and now we have a secular / gov mess to a religious problem.

Child support is really gov subsidized adultery.

So the parents in your mind should stay together no matter what? Yeah right.

[JPC sr]

Originally Posted by missperky

So the parents in your mind should stay together no matter what? Yeah right.

I like the idea being that any couple that have a child are automatically legally married and that even if the two separate that they remain legally married until the child(ren) reach the maturity of 22 years old.

That would be a law that defends the marriage and protects the family unit.

[hvp05 (Premo)]

Originally Posted by JPC sr

I was talking about the poorest of the poor families on welfare and not the working poor.

Of course, now you're drawing another distinction... now that you were cornered. You can try to be a slippery fish all you want, but your idiocy is still plain as day.

Originally Posted by JPC sr

The working poor will often go hungry and pitiful housing and much lackings but it is because the working poor spend their pay checks on partying and fun times and not on the needs. When they get the child support those families are still dirt poor anyway because they spend the money on vanity items.

I will leave this one for Pixie or one of our other parents to address.

Originally Posted by JPC sr

the gov is trying to get the separated parents a job and even gov created jobs

However, the government is not trying to give the parents jobs for nothing - that "Gimme, gimme, gimme " idea is in your head. What the government is doing is developing programs to help educate, train and aid people to find better, more solid work... but the individual still has to put in their fair share of effort.

The government knows that a better educated, more stable, employed person will be a more positive influence to their family and their community as a whole... but the person has to earn that respect!

Originally Posted by JPC sr

that link site says that the gov is prepared to forgive the debt that the parents pay to the gov called child support. The gov will forgive the child support that the gov collects for itself and not for the children.

Instead of trusting your interpretation, let's see what is actually written. Pay attention to the prefacing phrase...

Originally Posted by Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

To provide further incentives to fathers to pay child support, new approaches also could examine innovations in the forgiveness of arrearages (i.e., child support debts) accumulated by the non-custodial parent. The existence of arrearages — which often involve substantial amounts — can be daunting to non-custodial parents in low-wage jobs. Because the non-custodial parent may feel he will never be able to pay off these child support debts fully, he may be discouraged from seeking stable employment or making child support payments and perhaps will sever all ties to the family. It may be useful to develop policies that do not allow arrearages to accrue during periods of unemployment or when the non-custodial is participating in employment-enhancing services, that allow child support awards to be adjusted quickly as employment circumstances change, and that allow payments to be made in the form of in-kind services (such as providing child care to the family). In addition, states have the ability to forgive arrearages that are owed to the state, which provides another opportunity to develop more flexible arrearage policies.

The government might be willing to forgive one's arrearages if the parent is genuinely trying to contribute their share. But that parent still has to make their regular payment once the arrearages have been forgiven. Additionally, the state may find other forms of payment to the custodial. You read those statements as, "You're off the hook," and that is absolutely untrue.

The ultimate point is the non-custodial is still expected to pay something somehow; they are still expected to be an active member in the child's life and exhibiting an honest effort to improve themself.

But for the parent that simply refuses to pay, despite his [or her] physical and financial ability to do so - and especially if that parent attempts to run and hide - the government should still pursue, capture and toast the losers for every penny they owe.

And that would still have included your case, because you were and continue to be such a loser.

[JPC sr]

Originally Posted by hvp05

The government knows that a better educated, more stable, employed person will be a more positive influence to their family and their community as a whole... but the person has to earn that respect!

The gov wants to educate parents to be passive sheep that serve their masters without conflict, but not I.

I tell parents and everyone that one can not earn a worthy respect from anyone and certainly not from the gov as their kind of respect only means a dishonorable servitude.

We do not need the gov to tell us how to be parents.

I give parents a true option.

To gain their own respect is by willfully defying the gov thivery called child support and fight the thieves by all means.

Why be respected by one's master?

when it is better to be respected by our enemies in righteous combat.

Originally Posted by JPC sr

I like the idea being that any couple that have a child are automatically legally married and that even if the two separate that they remain legally married until the child(ren) reach the maturity of 22 years old.

That would be a law that defends the marriage and protects the family unit.

Good luck on that. You need help.