Parenting Police.

[JPC sr]

Originally Posted by This_person

I'm sure you'll say I'm twisting your words, because you're about to see what you just said here.

It's wrong for a parent to have their child's standard of living not go down.

It is un-realistic for the standard not to go down. It is wrong to try to stop that reality.

Originally Posted by This_person

Are you serious? You still haven't gotten to why, oh why, are your responsibilities to your child different because you're separated?

I really did give the answer to "why" and if you disagree or dislike my answer then that is your problem, but asking the same question is not going to get a different answer. I mean what I said before as still being true and accurate.

[This_person]

Originally Posted by JPC sr

It is un-realistic for the standard not to go down. It is wrong to try to stop that reality.

Virtually nothing you can do to keep your own children's standard of living as high as practical for your circumstance is not wrong. To avoid the reality of being responsible for providing for your child is wrong.

I really did give the answer to "why" and if you disagree or dislike my answer then that is your problem, but asking the same question is not going to get a different answer. I mean what I said before as still being true and accurate.

No, you've just stated your immoral, disloyal, dishonorable belief that they are different because you're separated, not why.

[JPC sr]

Originally Posted by This_person

Virtually nothing you can do to keep your own children's standard of living as high as practical for your circumstance is not wrong. To avoid the reality of being responsible for providing for your child is wrong.

Those are pretty words to go along with the dirty deeds.

Making unjust child support laws to maintain the unrealistic standards by degrading the parents and alienating the children is the true wrong.

You try to pretty up the thievery but it is just dirty deeds.

[This_person]

Originally Posted by JPC sr

Those are pretty words to go along with the dirty deeds. Making unjust child support laws to maintain the unrealistic standards by degrading the parents and alienating the children is the true wrong. You try to pretty up the thievery but it is just dirty deeds.

The fact is, I'm not prettying anything up. It's a philosophy, a morality by which I (and, well, the vast majority of people) live. The standard is to help. The alienation is done by the parent choosing to alienate him/herself, not by the system, and not by the children, not by the custodial parent. When you deserted your family, did you do so because of child support? No, you weren't divorced yet. When you put yourself in jail, was it because you were trying to be there for your child? No, you were trying to NOT be there for your child. You can't point to a single person who was trying to provide for their child that was jailed, that was alienated because of being required to pay child support, who had standards outside what was possible if they tried... none of what you say is true. You've been shown the standards and how they are based upon sharing the realistic costs of child rearing between two parents and what their percentage of that cost should be. You've been shown that children are hurt by what you propose. You've been shown that much of what you say is just plain lies, and yet you won't change your view. What is it when someone is shown something, but refuses to see it for what it is?

[JPC sr]

Originally Posted by This_person

The fact is, I'm not prettying anything up. It's a philosophy, a morality by which I (and, well, the vast majority of people) live. The standard is to help. The alienation is done by the parent choosing to alienate him/herself, not by the system, and not by the children, not by the custodial parent.

You call it a "morality" to rob and steal and slander against other parents. That is where the alienation comes from. A false morality with pretty words that hide dirty deeds.

Originally Posted by This_person

When you deserted your family, did you do so because of child support? No, you weren't divorced yet. When you put yourself in jail, was it because you were trying to be there for your child? No, you were trying to NOT be there for your child. You can't point to a single person who was trying to provide for their child that was jailed, that was alienated because of being required to pay child support, who had standards outside what was possible if they tried... none of what you say is true.

You really know little about my family or my history and all you are saying is twisted up slander and you really have no right to say such trash. Now you claim you want me to tell you some other person so you can do your dirty degrading slander against other parents that you do not know. You judge people very unjustly.

The saying is true that evil wants victims more then victories.

That you need others to degrade in order to feel bigger yourself.

And the point here repeated again is that my case is done and years closed and my efforts are only to help other parents and other families that are still being persecuted by the unjust child support laws.

Originally Posted by This_person

What is it when someone is shown something, but refuses to see it for what it is?

I have no idea, why do not you make up your own name calling.

Originally Posted by JPC sr

Of couse not. Is more violence the only solution that people know?

I say for all people - to be fruitful and to multiply - and screw any law that says otherwise.

Plus having more parents getting intangled in the unjust child support system will give rise to more people like me that will fight the unjust system to the ground.

I say the more the better - make us some more babies, yes.

Make more babies? UFB.

[This_person]

Originally Posted by JPC sr

You call it a "morality" to rob and steal and slander against other parents.

Nope, I call it morality to provide for your children, and expect other parents to do that as well. It's my right to expect that, because it is the societal norm, and failure to do so directly effects the taxmoney I pay, and the society in which I live. Keep up!

You really know little about my family or my history and all you are saying is twisted up slander and you really have no right to say such trash.

You're sort of right here. The only thing I know about your family history is what you tell me.
You deserted your family, most notably your son, because you wanted them to "figure it out for themselves". {These are all your words. No slander, I'm repeating what you've told me, almost verbatim.}

Then, you supported your son for a while, until it became a nuisance. You had the epiphany that it was immoral to provide for your own flesh and blood because you chose not to be around him, so you stopped paying your support.

After months and months of being a deadbeat towards your son, you were finally brought to some justice by the people's representatives - the law.

The law prosecuted you, the judiciary found you out for what you were, and you were incarcerated. You didn't like being put in a time out for being bad, so (childish, selfish imp that you are) you colored outside the lines on someone else's property to show how big and bad and mean you were. When no one noticed quickly enough, you bragged about it so you could go back to being housed and fed without having to lift a finger on your own. Who knows, maybe you liked the showers, too.

You decided that you were being punished for not giving in to the immoral requirements of society to provide for your own child. Why was it immoral? Because you were punished for it. Why is it punishment? Because the concept is immoral. With circular logic like that, your plan was unbreakable.

You even began to believe it; so much so, that you spit on your son's mother's grave in front of him, telling him you weren't sorry for causing him and her pain. You believed it now, your delusion complete to the point of being visciously angry with anyone who doesn't agree with your "reality".

Does that about sum it up? I can show you quotes for the facts, but the opinions as to your state of mind, well, only you and your conscience know for sure.

Now you claim you want me to tell you some other person so you can do your dirty degrading slander against other parents that you do not know. You judge people very unjustly.

Where am I judging? I'm trying to help you be a better person. That's not judgemental, it's humanitarian. Where am I gaining by wasting my time with you? This is for you, it does me no good at all.

The saying is true that evil wants victims more then victories. That you need others to degrade in order to feel bigger yourself.

Huh? Where am I degrading you? Have I once told you to go to hell? Have I once told you you can kiss my azz? You've said these things, not me. You've said I slander and lie. When I point out where the truth is, and where you've lied, you change the subject. I have no need to degrade you. I've consistently told you I'm trying to help you. You're in a state of anger and denial. It's normal, Jimmy. You're okay, and you'll be okay once you get through the haze and see reality.

And the point here repeated again is that my case is done and years closed and my efforts are only to help other parents and other families that are still being persecuted by the unjust child support laws.

Yet, your only logic for them being unjust is that it's not the moral obligation of a separated parent to provide for their child. You don't know why, just that you believe it's not your obligation. You say the laws are unjust because they punish, and that it's punishment because the laws are unjust. Before anyone can bother listening to your rhetoric, you have to come up with a cause other than "I don't wanna help my kid succeed!" That's not really the rally call of successful, useful people in society.

Your case is closed, I believe that. In the interest of sparing your child any more pain, a good man forgave your sins against his step-son. I imagine it was in the hope that your son could learn from HIS example, and not learn from yours. This isn't about the court case, Jimmy. It never has been. You won by default. Victory, however achieved, was yours. You won the battle. Until you can come to grips with reality and morality, the war will still be lost by you. Imagine, facing God on judgement day, and he says to you, "well, my child, shall I show you the compassion and mercy of a just and loving God, or what you yourself showed your own child?" Without your redemption, without your realizing what you've done, how could you answer that question?

[JPC sr]

Well I stand by all that I said and say and nothing that TP post.

[This_person]

Originally Posted by JPC sr

Well I stand by all that I said and say and nothing that TP post.

All I posted was what you've said.

[JPC sr]

Originally Posted by missperky

Make more babies? UFB.

This post really touches me.

God said to be fruitful and multiply but many people speak like "MP" above that some how making more babies is wrong and that anti-God concept comes from our society's degrading the parents.

We push abortion onto the population trying to get parents to kill the babies, then it is preached that children are a burden and not a blessing, the child support attacks the parents for having the children, and people feel the pressure that childbirth is wrong that babies are wrong and parents are the wrong doers, and so do not have babies unless they are rich, and if parents have more than one child then they better be rich. But the poor people just ignore that crap and do as God said to do.