Parenting Police.

[hvp05 (Premo)]

Originally Posted by JPC sr

Because I do accept that some gov is necessary in our world today. Even the Kingdom of God is a form of gov. So I just object to the wrongful parts of gov like the killing of babies and a criminal President and unjust child support and abusive greed growth and things like that, and at the same time I agree with the positive aspects of gov like police and lawful military defense and welfare for the poor and things like that.

Oh, okay. And I thought you were flip-flopping simply because even you are not sure what you believe. And you make stuff up as you go along. And you will say whatever you think is necessary to support your position at a particular moment, even if it totally contradicts something you wrote 5 minutes earlier.

Originally Posted by JPC sr

When parents can do it then that is fine but we have and we need the welfare system to provide for any family in need.

(a) These families would not be "in need", and therefore putting one more financial draw on the government, if only more parents were more responsible. (b) You continually talk about welfare providing "overflowing" sustenance as if as soon as a needy family is identified, the program is engaged immediately. More likely, it takes weeks to begin receiving benefits. How many weeks do you think a child and their family can live on scraps? Is this still not considered abuse when said family has been put in this situation by an abandoning parent?

Since the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act of 1996, individuals are limited to no more than 24 consecutive months and no more than 60 months in their lifetime for receiving benefits. Fortunately, the government has been more compassionate than the deadbeats by allowing extensions where children are involved.

Originally Posted by JPC sr

... and when the parents can not do it then that family is in need. It misses the whole point when we or the gov puts blame onto the parents and I do not stoop low like that.

There is a huge difference between the parent that "can not" provide and the one that "will not" provide. You lump them both together and present them as equals when they are not. Of course, you are also the idiot who chooses to not blame () the murderers in the Newsom/Christian case, so that pretty much makes your resistance to "stoop low" a void point.

Originally Posted by JPC sr

I really do not like the gov giving citizens a job as that is close to be Communistic and has similarities to slavery, but some other people like that and it is done in some cases, so just because I do not like it then that does not mean I am directly against it.

Let's see... you do not like it... but others do, so it's okay... but you still don't like it... but you're not "directly" against it. Even though it's on par with Communism and slavery.

Now, read the first phrase (in bold) of that sentence again, and try to reconcile that statement with these statements:

Originally Posted by JPC sr

I spray painted the State House and did some $2,000 in damage and they spent over $75,000 to keep me in jail for 3 years. For that amount the gov could have paid my child support off and given me a full time job and had money left over. (Post.)

Originally Posted by JPC sr

What they need is given a job. (Post.)

Do you still wish to stand by those statements?

Originally Posted by JPC sr

The answer is thus: that the custodial parents and the gov are demanding cash payments in the form of child support in which you have no real right to do it. If a parent wants help with support then they need to stay married, or stay together if there was no marriage.

Okay, JimmyCrap, do you remember this document? You know, the one that you claimed I was misrepresenting; the one that was so damaging to me somehow. Read this excerpt extremely carefully...

Originally Posted by CBPP

allow payments to be made in the form of in-kind services (such as providing child care to the family)

In other words, payment other than cash. What states are seeking is SOME sort of effort, SOME show of concern, SOME advancement of the individual's place in life, and therefore a betterment of the entire family, disjointed though it may be.

Only when someone goes, for example, 3 years and $27,000 in arrearages as you did will they track you down and expose you for what you are.

Originally Posted by JPC sr

Is more violence the only solution that people know?

I say for all people - to be fruitful and to multiply - and screw any law that says otherwise.

How is it "violent" to sterilize people that clearly will be pathetic parents? (The actual procedure would be fairly boring.) Is it not more abusive and immoral to allow countless children to be born knowing they will not be rightly cared for?

Originally Posted by JPC sr

Plus having more parents getting intangled in the unjust child support system will give rise to more people like me that will fight the unjust system to the ground.

Of course, now your intent is clear... you care not how many unwanted children are born to pathetic parents, as long as those parents might support your "philosophy". You want civil unrest; you want children living on the street; you want the government's burden to grow to mammoth proportions... anything to prove your sad, sociopathic mindset.

Thankfully, that will never happen. I guarantee it.

[JPC sr]

Originally Posted by hvp05

You continually talk about welfare providing "overflowing" sustenance as if as soon as a needy family is identified, the program is engaged immediately. More likely, it takes weeks to begin receiving benefits. How many weeks do you think a child and their family can live on scraps? Is this still not considered abuse when said family has been put in this situation by an abandoning parent?

We are in the 21st Century and the welfare services are all computer operated so welfare people get same day service and often just a couple hours. The people in need get food, money, housing, medical, any real need instantly or at least same day. When there is a waiting period for some things then they give temporary emergency assistance immediately while waiting. Sorry to inform you but computers have made the gov and welfare into being very efficient.

Originally Posted by hvp05

Since the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act of 1996, individuals are limited to no more than 24 consecutive months and no more than 60 months in their lifetime for receiving benefits.

The Republican Party forced that bill through and Bill Clinton signing it was Clinton's one true betrayal. He was brillient in many other regards but he failed us all by not vetoing that horrible bill. People talk down about Clinton because of that adulteress woman like that was a big deal while the real Clinton screw up was not that woman - it was that mean hateful "PRWORA" bill that he signed into law. Now it has expired and maybe a new Democrat in the White House will bring back some decency to the law but it is still the Clinton betrayal bill forever more.

Originally Posted by hvp05

How is it "violent" to sterilize people that clearly will be pathetic parents? (The actual procedure would be fairly boring.) Is it not more abusive and immoral to allow countless children to be born knowing they will not be rightly cared for?

I am glad that I did not say that, and I am glad that I do not even think anything like that. It sounds Nazi.

Originally Posted by hvp05

Of course, now your intent is clear... you care not how many unwanted children are born to pathetic parents, as long as those parents might support your "philosophy". You want civil unrest; you want children living on the street; you want the government's burden to grow to mammoth proportions... anything to prove your sad, sociopathic mindset.

You seem to be the only person here that openly understands me. You do not have it perfect but you are getting there.

I see myself like the prophet Jonah, because Jonah did not want to preach to the heathen and Jonah wanted the wrath of God to strike them down but Jonah was forced to preach to the heathen anyway.

See I tell people about the unjust child support and if the message works then I did my duty, but inside I want it to escalate and to explode that the thieves of child support would receive the wrath of God, and rightly so.

Originally Posted by hvp05

Thankfully, that will never happen. I guarantee it.

We shall see.

Originally Posted by JPC sr

This post really touches me.

God said to be fruitful and multiply but many people speak like "MP" above that some how making more babies is wrong and that anti-God concept comes from our society's degrading the parents.

We push abortion onto the population trying to get parents to kill the babies, then it is preached that children are a burden and not a blessing, the child support attacks the parents for having the children, and people feel the pressure that childbirth is wrong that babies are wrong and parents are the wrong doers, and so do not have babies unless they are rich, and if parents have more than one child then they better be rich. But the poor people just ignore that crap and do as God said to do.

You think it's okay for deadbeats to keep having kids?

There is nothing wrong with having kids as long as they are being taken care of, don't put words in my mouth.

[hvp05 (Premo)]

Originally Posted by JPC sr

We are in the 21st Century and the welfare services are all computer operated so welfare people get same day service and often just a couple hours. The people in need get food, money, housing, medical, any real need instantly or at least same day. When there is a waiting period for some things then they give temporary emergency assistance immediately while waiting. Sorry to inform you but computers have made the gov and welfare into being very efficient.

I'll be honest: I didn't do any research when I figured it may take weeks for a family to begin receiving benefits. So now I have - and guess who's more correct.

Originally Posted by USDA Food and Nutrition Service

If you have just been certified to receive food stamp benefits, your benefits should be in your EBT account within 30 days from the date you filed your application. If you qualified for expedited benefits because your income was very low, your benefits should be in the account within 7 days from the date you filed the application. (Source.)

So it could take up to 4 weeks for the benefits to kick in. Even through the "expedited" process - only available to the most poor families, it could be 7 days before the benefits are available. How long do you think the average child can last before they begin crying that they are hungry?

You mentioned several times how much faster computers make the process. True enough, some states offer an online application that can knock a couple days off the expedited application. Guess how many states offer such an application. 6. That's right, 6 (FL, KS, NJ, PA, WV and WA).

So, Jimbo, where is your source saying benefits are available the "same day"? (I won't hold my breath...)

(For future reference: the government doesn't do anything "quickly".)

Originally Posted by JPC sr

Clinton's one true betrayal.

I love it when Liberals cannibalize.

Originally Posted by JPC sr

that mean hateful "PRWORA" bill that he signed into law.

Wow, this is almost an admission from you that there is a flaw in your thinking. So what is a family supposed to do once they have hit their benefit time limit? 24 consecutive months, or 60 months altogether... longer if the government grants an extension. But what if they don't? And dad (or mom) still refuses to pay? Who does the custodial rely on then? Under JPC's rule the only answer they would get is, "Figure it out for yourself."

Originally Posted by JPC

I am glad that I did not say that, and I am glad that I do not even think anything like that. It sounds Nazi.

Fear the thought that we ever hold people accountable to their reproductive decisions. Certainly better than being a "free-for-all", self-centered Liberal like yourself.

Originally Posted by JCP sr

You seem to be the only person here that openly understands me. You do not have it perfect but you are getting there.

Well then... I expect to see another addition to your website: "I support civil unrest. I support more children living on the street. And I support the government's burden growing to mammoth proportions." You are on the fast track to success, buddy.

Originally Posted by JPC sr

receive the wrath of God

Oh, I trust that it's coming for someone.

[hvp05 (Premo)]

While reading the USDA's Food & Nutrition Service page, I read a couple more interesting things.

I'm sure people have revealed these numbers to you before, but let's do a refresher.

Originally Posted by USDA

The average monthly benefit was about $86 per person and about $200 per household in FY 2004.

Since you have never raised a child, just imagine trying to feed yourself on $86 a month. That's $21.50 a week.

Originally Posted by USDA

The average gross monthly income per food stamp household is $648.

And then imagine that; it's not even net income.

I sure would like to know how a family can have "overflowing" food and shelter on such money. Kids want stuff, it's a fact of life. Imagine the stress in telling your child you can't afford to buy him something he wants because you can't even afford the stuff he needs (e.g., a basic meal, a blanket, etc.)

[hvp05 (Premo)]

Originally Posted by hvp05

Do you still wish to stand by those statements?

Hey JPC, thanks also for not answering this question from my earlier post. The very fact that you don't write a response actually speaks volumes. Keep up the lousy work.

[This_person]

Originally Posted by hvp05

Hey JPC, thanks also for not answering this question from my earlier post. The very fact that you don't write a response actually speaks volumes. Keep up the lousy work.

Keep going. I think this is the third or fourth thread that he's refused to answer me anymore because I call him on so many of his lies and inconsistencies of statements. Sooner or later, he'll just stop, and have to look himself in the mirror. That'll be the end of him.

[JPC sr]

Originally Posted by hvp05

Hey JPC, thanks also for not answering this question from my earlier post. The very fact that you don't write a response actually speaks volumes. Keep up the lousy work.

I do this with "TP" over and over again and I will do it with you over again too.

So here it is again: I stand by all that I said and I stand by all of my postings.

It troubles me that you guys can not understand that simple principle of saying what we mean and meaning what we say.

I call the principle - being honest.

[This_person]

Originally Posted by JPC sr

I do this with "TP" over and over again and I will do it with you over again too.

So here it is again: I stand by all that I said and I stand by all of my postings.

It troubles me that you guys can not understand that simple principle of saying what we mean and meaning what we say.

I call the principle - being honest.

Try this concept - answer the question! Oh, and try not to use circular logic. And, when you're proven wrong, try a new lie.

By the way, is that the "royal plural"? Are you having delusions of grandeur as well as the rest of your delusional existance?

[spicy]

Originally Posted by This_person

Keep going. I think this is the third or fourth thread that he's refused to answer me anymore because I call him on so many of his lies and inconsistencies of statements. Sooner or later, he'll just stop, and have to look himself in the mirror. That'll be the end of him.

Sometimes you just have to look yourself in the mirror and say--'When in rome...'